how come dell doesn't sell amd processors?

[pukemon]

exlusive agreement or what?

[Tom]

Probably because the pentium is the common user's processor

[guyver2077]

sad but true.

[pukemon]

yeah but nobody(common users) knows squat about processors. intel sells bigger numbers to the ignoramuses.

[spidey]

I do not believe that Dell has an exclusive contract with Intel. However, Intel has ways to persuade Dell to stay Intel exclusive. Mainly huge discounts to keep Dell commited.

Even if AMD was the better chip (which it is at the moment), Dell is still a business and money matters. Intel knows marketing and the people know Intel.

[pukemon]

if the people knew intel, they'd be buying amd chips.

[spidey]

No one said the mass was tech-savvy. They know Intel because of marketing. When was the last time you saw an AMD commercial?

[pukemon]

true true. prolly why amd is making a better processor. there not wasting cash on stupid blue guys.

[XboxMaster]

Did anyone realize the below line rhymes?

"Why does Dell sell?"

That's awesome.

[Admiral Ackbar]

Well, I thinkl they probably do have a secret exclusive deals. But it also probably custs costs, because they have one less product line tpo sell. Remember, it's more than just the processor, it's the memory and motherboard too.

And while now things are more in line with AMD and Intel systems, just a couple years ago there would be a huge difference in parts. Between rambus and different grades of DDR memory. So, they probably save money sticking with Intel Only. Also, people are frankly, uneducated about processors. They'll buy an Intel Celeron over an AMD 2500 XP just because the Celeron might be 2.8 or have the Intel name. Even though the AMD processor is likely cheaper and superior.

[CoffeeEdge]

Well, I thinkl they probably do have a secret exclusive deals.

There's nothing secret about exclusive equipment deals. Intel is who they've signed with to supply chips for their PCs. Pretty common practice in business. With an exclusive reseller contract, companies such as Dell can get huge bulk discounts. They pay a tiny fraction of the retail price..


No one said the mass was tech-savvy. They know Intel because of marketing. When was the last time you saw an AMD commercial?

The masses don't need to be tech-savvy. Most people who buy computers aren't in it for overclocking and stuff like that. They don't care whether their video card has 8 or 12 rendering pipelines. The average Joe and Jill don't know or care about the processor wars. I like AMDs much much better, myself, of course, and they are much better for the applications that I would put a PC through, but people that would buy a PC from Dell or something probably, in a large part, don't need that 10 or 15% speed difference. I'm sure that Intels work just fine for e-mail and Solitaire and Turbotax and Word. You shouldn't look down on the passive computer user just for not using the processor that you like better for high-powered games in their everyday applications like Word and e-mail (which in many cases is all that they use computers for), a difference that they likely don't know or care about.
And regarding the price...well, by the time it's through a PC reseller like Dell, the price difference would be next to nothing. I don't think we should ridicule these "ignoramuses," as it was said.
Honestly, should a 70-year old woman who just wants to use this new-fangled e-mail to keep in touch with their grandchildren care about this stuff? No. So there.
And another thing. I bet I could find all sorts of stuff that you people use for which there is a much better, cheaper, and more efficient alternative, that you're just "ignorant" about. I could perhaps find you a more efficient air conditioner that runs better and cheaper. Or maybe a brand of food that is equal to it's competetors and cheaper. By the logic I've seen in this thread, any of you that buy Kellog's Frosted Flakes are ignoramuses, because Malt-o-Meal has the same thing in a greater quantity for about a buck fifty less. Or for Froot Loops, Malt-o-Meal has Tootie Fruities. And they have clones of Lucky Charms, Smacks, Cinnamon Toast Crunch (superior, in my opinion), Pebbles, Corn Pops, Cap'n Crunch, Apple Jacksl; the list goes on. Come on, fight "Big Cereal!" Have I made my point? Good.

[Quackzilla]

Target market is really stupid people. They think "Pentium" means fast and they don't understand what it is or what it does.

And Dell puts the slowest chip available in the comps. The morons think all P4s are the same.

[bignick]

Dell sucks.

[CoffeeEdge]

Target market is really stupid people. They think "Pentium" means fast and they don't understand what it is or what it does.

And Dell puts the slowest chip available in the comps. The morons think all P4s are the same.


Did you read my post? Or are you mocking me? Most any P4 (or P3, or even P2), and AMD, will run standard applications (i.e. Turbotax, Word, browsers) just fine.

[Quackzilla]

Target market is really stupid people. They think "Pentium" means fast and they don't understand what it is or what it does.

And Dell puts the slowest chip available in the comps. The morons think all P4s are the same.


Did you read my post? Or are you mocking me?

No, your post was too long. I just skipped over it and posted my cynical view of Dells business strategy.

[CoffeeEdge]

Take a couple minutes, and you'll get my point.

[Admiral Ackbar]

Throughout the history of the PC industry there have been "handshake" deals to force companies from selling the products of another company. Collusion and Anti-competetive practices are part of the trade since the PC business is such a cut throat industry. Companies like MS and Intel put "muscle" on the other companies to toe the line. And there have been instances when their agreement shave been found anticompetitive.

It's more than just haing an exclusive deal. It's about locking a competitor out of the market because you have a monopoly. Personally, I don't think that's the case between Dell and AMD now. Maybe a few years ago, but not now. Now, I think Dell just looks at adding the AMD line and think it wouldn't be cost effective. They'd have to revamp assembly lines, do more testing, increase overhead, and they probably wouldn't get any more appreciable sales.

[MadChedar0]

Like others have said, Dell does have an exclusivity agreement with Intel.

And you can talk about the pros and cons with AMD vs Intel chipsets, but realize AMD processors are emulating the Intel ISA. That means all the applications you run on your computer (except for RISC stuff) were meant for an Intel system, not an AMD one.
As for Dell, it's no secret they are the Home Depot/Walmart of the computer industry. Infact, they're killing innovation, because they have $0 in R&D. They strictly focus on selling products at the cheapest possible price, no research. That's why Dell is a home electronics company now, its no longer "Dell Computer". What a shame. Wow that was a long post.

[jmcc]

Take a couple minutes, and you'll get my point.

Your point is clear, but not really topical to the discussion. I mean, what do insurgents in the Balkans have to do with any of this?

[Quackzilla]

Take a couple minutes, and you'll get my point.

I read it, but their unethical ad campaign is targeting kids saying its good for games.

They give the bare minimum amount of RAM needed to run XP, some antient games, and the internet.

[Medium_Pimpin]

I have never purchased an intel chip. People have misconceptions that more mhz means better chip.
It just means the chip is more expensive, and less time went into the development. Amd spends thier time and money actually developing chips that perform calculations faster, while passing the savings along.

Anyways Dell is the largest PC distibutor, and that is a big reason Intel sells so many chips. They go together like McDonalds and Coca Cola.

[Admiral Ackbar]

Actually, I think they have a large R&D department. That's how they developed Axims and there Printer line.

[CoffeeEdge]

I was just saying that people shouldn't make fun of "mass-market" computer users. It's not nice.

[willardhaven]

If I can build a better machine than Dell, then any idiot can... : )

[bignick]

Cant believed the no one mentioned Dell licenses a lot of their "technology" from IBM.

[pukemon]

dell licenses from everybody.

[spidey]

I was just saying that people shouldn't make fun of "mass-market" computer users. It's not nice.

At no point did I make fun of "mass-market" computer users. Calling them non-techsavvy is not making fun of the "mass-market" user. What I mean is that the mass is not knowledgeable computer trend. In all fairness, an old P2 or P3 would run "mass-market" programs you listed as well as MS Word and E-Mail. Why would the mass run out to get a 3 GHz P4 with the latest parts from their local electronics store?

The point I was making is that Dell sticks with Intel because Intel's marketing department has it down. When was the last time you saw a commercial for Malt-O-Meal? When is the only time you'll run across Malt-O-Meal? When you pass it by in the cereal isle much like when you'll pass by an AMD computer in the computer isle of an electronics store? Which product is most likely to be bought?

[Missingdata]

Intel and Dell have a partnership

That y Dell only use intel chip