U.S. - PSP outsold the DS by 1.2 mil in 2005

[Apossum]

http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/d27174da-98d2-46d4-ad1b-a532fb93694e.htm

According to Mercury News Research, in 2005 Sony's PSP outsold the Nintendo DS by 1.2 million units in North America. According to the statistics, 2.43 million Nintendo DSs were sold in North America versus 3.63 million PSPs. However, if you tack on the 4.26 million Game Boy Advance units, Nintendo still owns the portable market in North America by 64.5%.

-Billy Berghammer

color me surprised. i thought nintendogs sold a gajillion DSes

[Scorch]

Yes, but how many were then sold on ebay and traded into stores?

[Apossum]

no doubt the DS "won" this year by a long shot. I'm surprised that all the good software and the Xmas season didn't spring it ahead of the psp or at least close the gap a bit more...1.2 million?! that's just insane.

[sblymnlcrymnl]

There are alot of stupid people out there. Big surprise. :roll:

[gunm]

Yes, but how many were then sold on ebay and traded into stores?

Well, the initial sale still went to Sony.

[rodeojones903]

Even more proof that that PSP fuck in rules :D

[CapAmerica]

I just have this gut feeling the numbers were screwed up some where. There is just no reason why the PSP would have sold better. It just feels like they were given the wrong numbers for how many PSPs were sold, maybe it will come out later that the PSP numbers where actually units shipped and no units sold like the DS.

[joeposh]

I just have this gut feeling the numbers were screwed up some where. There is just no reason why the PSP would have sold better. It just feels like they were given the wrong numbers for how many PSPs were sold, maybe it will come out later that the PSP numbers where actually units shipped and no units sold like the DS.

Well you have to keep in mind that the first 8 months or so of the year were pretty terrible for the DS. They had basically nothing come out for the system (nothing worth while at least) until around august/september when Nintendogs, Castlevania and other must own games started to come out for the system. The sales reflected that as the DS was getting it's ass pounded by the PSP month in and month out.

Also the PSP launched this year, so it's natural that their numbers would be higher. If the DS had outsold them it would have been quite embarassing, especially in light of the meager line up the DS had for most of the year. Up until a few months ago no one expected the DS to get even close to outselling PSP month to month, so the comeback that the DS has mounted has to be seen as impressive. 2006 will be the real test for both handhelds as it seems they're essentially neck and neck everywhere but Japan.

[Graystone]

I have nothing against the PSP, However I'm surprised that the DS did not sale more. I really thought Nintendogs would and did push a lot of units. My last job we got 15-20 Nintendogs in at a time and the were gone in two days. I also worked in a upper-middle class area and kids would come in and go mom I want this game but I need this (DS) to play it. Ok get both but this is all you get this week. I'm sitting their like WTF, My sister and I had to sacrifice all our Christmas gifts for a NES and a TV, and that was just last year :lol:

[Ebraum]

Even more proof that that PSP fuck in rules :D

LOL that's funny.

Maybe the sold more cause people kept exchanging them trying to get a unit without dead pixels

[thealternakid]

NDS =4.5732 million units
PSP =2.1214 million units
where did i get these numbers? i tracked them myself. so i am sourcing myself
oh wait that doesn't mean that they are real
this article is from a posting on a blog about numbers that mecury research supposedly tracked. I will belive this when they post how they tracked and sourced these numbers. Instead they just show a few numbers, no explanation. no proof = bs

[mykevermin]

Y'know, I own several portables (and when I wear them all, including my iPod, cell phone, wonderswan, and N-Gage, I resemble Johnny 5 from "Short Circuit"). I really like my DS. I wish I liked my PSP, but the load times make me want to hurl it against a wall. Load times - on a fuck'n portable!?! Anyway, GTA:LCS makes it fun.

I'm very partial to my DS. I loves my Castlevania games (all 4 of 'em), my classic RPGS (Final Fantasy I&II, Phantasy Star Collection, Lunar Legend), classic and modern Nintendo games (Super Mario Advance series, Metroid, Zelda, etc). There's nothing to dislike about the DS, in my opinion.

That having been said, why are you all living in a world of denial? If the sales figures show that the PSP is outselling the DS, then so what? Your ownership of a DS doesn't make the data wrong. The fact that the system is using the Playstation brand popularity to market itself should make it no surprise if it is a rousing success. It doesn't make the PSP superior, it doesn't make the DS inferior. It just means more PSPs were sold last year than DS.

Personally, I wouldn't question the data (though returns for dead pixel free consoles may be a point of contention, they sure as shit aren't a 1.2 million unit point of contention). I'd like to see what software sales look like for each console. You'll probably find a much different story there, given that the DS is a game machine, and the PSP does movies as well (not to mention they retail at $15-20 more than DS titles). I bet you'll find some interesting info there.

[RelentlessRolento]

people seem to forget that the DS is still ahead due to the christmas of 2004. sure PSP sold more last year maybe, but the DS is still in more households than the PSP.

[GizmoGC]

The PSP launch obviously helped slow down the number of new DS purchased. These numbers fail to take into account all the used DS systems that were traded in and quickly sold for the $99 tag.

[SithFran]

I'm still paying off the intellivision on layaway at Lionel Playworld.

[PhrostByte]

I'm still paying off the intellivision on layaway at Lionel Playworld.

:rofl:

[ryanbph]

Y'know, I own several portables (and when I wear them all, including my iPod, cell phone, wonderswan, and N-Gage, I resemble Johnny 5 from "Short Circuit"). I really like my DS. I wish I liked my PSP, but the load times make me want to hurl it against a wall. Load times - on a fuck'n portable!?! Anyway, GTA:LCS makes it fun.

I'm very partial to my DS. I loves my Castlevania games (all 4 of 'em), my classic RPGS (Final Fantasy I&II, Phantasy Star Collection, Lunar Legend), classic and modern Nintendo games (Super Mario Advance series, Metroid, Zelda, etc). There's nothing to dislike about the DS, in my opinion.

That having been said, why are you all living in a world of denial? If the sales figures show that the PSP is outselling the DS, then so what? Your ownership of a DS doesn't make the data wrong. The fact that the system is using the Playstation brand popularity to market itself should make it no surprise if it is a rousing success. It doesn't make the PSP superior, it doesn't make the DS inferior. It just means more PSPs were sold last year than DS.

Personally, I wouldn't question the data (though returns for dead pixel free consoles may be a point of contention, they sure as shit aren't a 1.2 million unit point of contention). I'd like to see what software sales look like for each console. You'll probably find a much different story there, given that the DS is a game machine, and the PSP does movies as well (not to mention they retail at $15-20 more than DS titles). I bet you'll find some interesting info there.
excellent points

[deadlite]

I know that I had to exchange my psp 3 times.

First time there was a bunch of dust under the faceplate.

Second time dead pixels.

Third time a couple pock marks in the face plater over the screen.

And finally the one I kept has what looks like small faint grey splotches in the middle of the lcd screen but only visable when the screen is totally black (usually during most games loading screens) but it was the best of the bunch and I got tired of exchanging them.

[longdillon1]

Im not a fanboy of either of the systems,as I dont own either of them.But one thing people have failed to mention on the PSP'S behalf is the price.Its 250.00 while the DS is 129.99.So even if the DS does out sale the PSP, the PSP is far more successful because its twice as much.Plus as someone pointed out before, the games are 15-20 more for the PSP.So on a huge scale I believe the PSP is more successful.

Later,
Dillon

[SpottedNigel]

Im not a fanboy of either of the systems,as I dont own either of them.But one thing people have failed to mention on the PSP'S behalf is the price.Its 250.00 while the DS is 129.99.So even if the DS does out sale the PSP, the PSP is far more successful because its twice as much.Plus as someone pointed out before, the games are 15-20 more for the PSP.So on a huge scale I believe the PSP is more successful.

Later,
Dillon


But the system and the games cost more to make...so yeah, it made more $ at retail in the whole "130 < 250" scheme of things, but for Sony they probably made LESS on each console that Nintendo did on each DS

[kill3r7]

I just have this gut feeling the numbers were screwed up some where. There is just no reason why the PSP would have sold better. It just feels like they were given the wrong numbers for how many PSPs were sold, maybe it will come out later that the PSP numbers where actually units shipped and no units sold like the DS.

I love my DS but last time I checked the PSP lauched in the spring of 2005 so there was more of a demand for it during the launch window and this past holiday season. It's pretty simple, the numbers don't lie. They just show that the PSP is popular eventhough it doesn't have many games for it. People like it's multimedia features and all the other features it has to offer.

This doesn't mean that the DS is in trouble, its software sales are quite strong and I feel like the system it's going to hit it's stride this year and show us what it can truly do. People won't be buying the PSP for it's great gaming but rather for all the other features it has to offer.

[Ecofreak]

These numbers are so suspect. For one thing, Sony is renowned for posting numbers of units shipped to retailers, not sold to consumers.

Nintendo, however, posts numbers that represent how many were actually bought by consumers.

[thealternakid]

once i see what a sales tracking place that has weight (mediacreate is one, but i believe they do jpn only, or NPD) release, then i will give this blog post another bit of consideration. But until then, the blog post is just that. someone's opinion.

[MadFlava]

Any numbers on how many DS have been sold since release and if it's greater that the PSP. For some reason I thought the PSP hasn't been selling too well because of its price.

[Parathod]

I don't see how anyone is surprised. The PSP debuted in NA this year and Nintendo released nothing to really fight it off until late August. The Playstation brand name goes a long way with younger gamers and the PSP has the graphics edge as well as the initial "wow factor". It should be pointed out that both handhelds sales have been underwelming in the US, with the GBA still taking the lead despite few major titles being released and the DS's BC. It should be an interesting 2006 in NA. The DS's software schedule is looking a lot more fleshed out with major franchises (+top selling Japanese titles) and the PSP is getting some really innovative original titles which may draw the crowd who originally referred to it as the Port Station Portable.

[rywateska]

I still don't think all of the UMD's for sale at retail will ever sell at normal DVD prices. There's just not enough PSP's out there, period.

[b3b0p]

I really don't care. Nintendo DS has more fun games. PSP has a fun game and is great to play NES, SMS, and Genesis games on (SNES needs work still). If I had to choose one or the other, I honestly would have a hard time choosing. I tend to lean towards anything Nintendo though, since that is what I grew up on mostly, by choice.

I just have to wonder though, how many PSP systems were actually bought to be played instead of bought to be put on the bay (fat wallet affect)? It just seems like that for anything Sony and Microsoft, the only people to get their hands on the games/systems are the people in it for profits and have no intention of using it for what it was meant for.

Oh well, let the arguing, bitching, and fanboy crying continue.

[Strell]

Let's assume these numbers are true.

Here's why: In the last few days, I have seen one of those retarded PSP Adult Swim wannabe commercials at least 3-4 times a day. ITS PORTABLE CHEESE some disinterested burnt out gen Xer tells me at the end of the commercials. "Hells yea" he moans in another.

Despite how fantastically bad these commercials are, I have not seen one DS commercial. None. Absolutely none. In the middle of one of the greatest software runs for any system ever created, there have been no commercials. With Sonic Rush, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Trauma Center, Phoenix Wright, Warioware, and a zillion other worthwhile FUN titles that cost less and give you an incredible amount of replay value, there are zero commercials.

That speaks volumes about how the hardware wars are being held on the portable front.

Additionally, the DS kicks the living shit out of the PSP in Japan. Since NOJ probably has final say on tons of decisions, my guess is that NOA advertising allotments are far less than NOA either wants them to be or they need to be. It's either that or NOA just has its head up its ass.

Either way, my DS gets about 4 billion times the playtime my PSP gets, until I decide I simply must have that episode of Boondocks with me when I'm commuting somewhere.

[Genocidal]

I'd have to sort of agree with Strell, the DS needs more commercials. Even though the only TV I really watch consists of Raw and Smackdown, I still see a good amount of PSP commercials. The only DS commercial I can remember is the one for Partners in Time... there might've been one more that I'm forgetting that aired with the Battalion Wars wave of commercials, but other than that, nothing.

[Moxio]

Aw... DS for life. :)

[docvinh]

I personally enjoy my psp quite a bit. I like the games probably because I didn't really play a lot of the games they ported to it. Truthfully, I do also enjoy the multimedia features that it has, I don't have to carry around an mp3 player along with a gaming system, and it is nice to be able to watch movies now and then. Just more convenient for me, I guess.

[Kaijufan]

Just wait until Nintendo puts out a pair of real Pokemon games, a new 3d Zelda, or a Smash Brothers. Sales of the system will go up.
Let's assume these numbers are true.

Here's why: In the last few days, I have seen one of those retarded PSP Adult Swim wannabe commercials at least 3-4 times a day. ITS PORTABLE CHEESE some disinterested burnt out gen Xer tells me at the end of the commercials. "Hells yea" he moans in another.

Despite how fantastically bad these commercials are, I have not seen one DS commercial. None. Absolutely none. In the middle of one of the greatest software runs for any system ever created, there have been no commercials. With Sonic Rush, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Trauma Center, Phoenix Wright, Warioware, and a zillion other worthwhile FUN titles that cost less and give you an incredible amount of replay value, there are zero commercials.
I remember seeing Mario Kart and Animal Crossing commercials when they were released. They were much better then the stupid PSP ads that are airing now.

[rodeojones903]

I don't understand the argument of "yeah, but how many of those were bought to be sold on ebay". This makes no difference. The person buying that system from the ebayer would have gone to a retail store and bought it if they could find it locally, so that still would have been one more system sold.

[Apossum]

Just wait until Nintendo puts out a pair of real Pokemon games, a new 3d Zelda, or a Smash Brothers. Sales of the system will go up.



or perhaps.....the first new 2-D mario game in forever? ;-)
should be huge...and if marketed properly, it should move another gajillion systems.

I don't understand the argument of "yeah, but how many of those were bought to be sold on ebay". This makes no difference. The person buying that system from the ebayer would have gone to a retail store and bought it if they could find it locally, so that still would have been one more system sold.

it's just another way to minimize the PSP's success. some people feel threatened when one videogame console does better than the other, for some really odd reason. it's dumb, they are both great for different reasons. I'm starting to see what Nintendo and Sony mean when they say they aren't in competition with each other...

[zionoverfire]

and thus the supremecy of the gba SP is yet again maintained.

[Parathod]

In the last few days, I have seen one of those retarded PSP Adult Swim wannabe commercials at least 3-4 times a day. ITS PORTABLE CHEESE some disinterested burnt out gen Xer tells me at the end of the commercials. "Hells yea" he moans in another.

I'm not a big TV watcher, but i've noticed an overabundance of PSP commercials too. They seem to be geared for a young audience.

[A Happy Panda]

Why do people still make these posts? It's like bait for fanboys.

PSP Rocks! No DS rocks you're fucking stupid! 2#$%$#@@$

[Apossum]

Why do people still make these posts? It's like bait for fanboys.

PSP Rocks! No DS rocks you're fucking stupid! 2#$%$#@@$

i thought it was interesting. i didn't put any fanboy spin in the op, that came later ;-)

[gambitmachete]

i thought it was interesting. i didn't put any fanboy spin in the op, that came later ;-)

Yeah, it was interesting information. It was also pretty interesting to read the Nintendo fanboy meltdown that followed. :lol:

[PittsburghAfterDark]

I have almost zero interest in handheld gaming. I bought a GBA 3-4 years ago and doubt I've played it more than 40 hours despite having a dozen games.

Despite those sentiments I still want to get a DS, the stuff for it looks so damn fun that I may break down my own personal bias and get one. As far as the PSP? Meh, it looks so bland to me. Other than Lumines (Mizuguchi is god.) there's nothing on the system I really want. I also expect to see that game on something else eventually.

Nintendo PWNS the handheld market. Even Sony hasn't been able to come out with a seeming killing app in a year, frankly I'm very surprised by that. Every time I look at the PSP section in game stores I'm surprised at how many launch window titles are still taking up the majority of shelf space and well, UMD movies.... no thank you.

I can't see Nintendo losing the handheld market share even against the Sony juggernaut. One year ago I thought the Big N was toast against the PSP. Now I think Sony should be counting their lucky stars they've sold as many as they have.

[Roufuss]

Every time I look at the PSP section in game stores I'm surprised at how many launch window titles are still taking up the majority of shelf space and well
.

The DS had this problem for a very very long time as well.

[brainstorm]

The simple explanation is that the DS didn't launch in 2005 while the PSP did. Remember the day it came out the craze over them? I'm not surprised in the least bit. So let's not sit here and question the data cuz we might not like the results, it is what it is. And just because the PSP outsold the DS this year doesnt mean that the DS is inferior to the PSP, everyone has their own tastes and differences.

[ryanbph]

The simple explanation is that the DS didn't launch in 2005 while the PSP did. Remember the day it came out the craze over them? I'm not surprised in the least bit. So let's not sit here and question the data cuz we might not like the results, it is what it is. And just because the PSP outsold the DS this year doesnt mean that the DS is inferior to the PSP, everyone has their own tastes and differences.
I don't remeber there being much of a craze for the launch of the psp. They didn't sell out anywhere, and most stores had a ton of them a week after launch.

[mykevermin]

I don't remeber there being much of a craze for the launch of the psp. They didn't sell out anywhere, and most stores had a ton of them a week after launch.That's just flat out wrong. Sony made sure to prevent a "PS2 launch" phenomenon again, where the crux of the market is focused on snatching up what few were available and reselling them at an astronomical markup (also see: Xbox 360).

While they did sell out almost immediately, Sony made sure to have plenty available for launch, and just as important, did a good job restocking retailers after launch day. It was a little difficult to get one on launch day if you didn't preorder, but I can't think of many - or any - who preordered but didn't get one on launch.

Also, IIRC, Sony delayed the planned European launch for a few months in order to direct all production efforts to making the US launch a success. They were able to sell out immediately, but also keep a decent number on the shelves. The difficulty in finding a PSP during launch week pales in comparison to trying to find an Xbox 360 two months after launch, so in retrospect it seems like they may not have sold out. I can understand the confusion.

[depascal22]

I'm glad that the market can sustain 2 handhelds right now. It'll be interesting to see how this bloated market holds up. Will the global gaming public be able to support 2 next gen handhelds and 3 next gen consoles for the next 5+ years? I think because the DS and PSP are so different, we might be able to. I don't know about the consoles though. Eventually, because of the price difference, the DS should win. I'm a PSP owner and I'm thinking about getting a DS.

Quick question.
Why does everyone blast the PSP for having nothing but ports of popular Sony brands? Last time I checked the popular DS games were Castlevania, Kirby, Sonic Rush, Mario and Luigi 2, and Mario Kart. Metoes, Phoenix Wright, and Trauma Center are the kind of titles that Nintendo imports to us but Sony ignores. There are a couple original games on both systems but it just seems like the PSP gets blasted the most.

[evanft]

Quick question.
Why does everyone blast the PSP for having nothing but ports of popular Sony brands? Last time I checked the popular DS games were Castlevania, Kirby, Sonic Rush, Mario and Luigi 2, and Mario Kart. Metoes, Phoenix Wright, and Trauma Center are the kind of titles that Nintendo imports to us but Sony ignores. There are a couple original games on both systems but it just seems like the PSP gets blasted the most.

Um, look at the PSP's lineup. It is mostly crappy ports of PS2 games. All the DS games you listed are original in their gameplay, even if they're part of an already existing Nintendo franchise.

[Apossum]

I'm glad that the market can sustain 2 handhelds right now. It'll be interesting to see how this bloated market holds up. Will the global gaming public be able to support 2 next gen handhelds and 3 next gen consoles for the next 5+ years? I think because the DS and PSP are so different, we might be able to. I don't know about the consoles though. Eventually, because of the price difference, the DS should win. I'm a PSP owner and I'm thinking about getting a DS.



I think gaming is popular enough to support both, so that neither has to "win" or "lose." some people like the idea of a portable ps2 (and lots of other systems, if you want) and some people like the touch screen and classic nintendo goodness of the ds.

[Mattte]

Quick question.
Why does everyone blast the PSP for having nothing but ports of popular Sony brands? Last time I checked the popular DS games were Castlevania, Kirby, Sonic Rush, Mario and Luigi 2, and Mario Kart. Metoes, Phoenix Wright, and Trauma Center are the kind of titles that Nintendo imports to us but Sony ignores. There are a couple original games on both systems but it just seems like the PSP gets blasted the most.


None of those you named were ports...

[depascal22]

None of those you named were ports...


Sorry but to me sequels and ports have started to blend together. Bring a game over with the same story, give a guy more weapons, add a few costumes, etc. etc. you say it's a port. Make a few control improvemtents, give the guy more weapons, change the story(or even just keep going after the end) and it's a sequel. Still doesn't change the fact that you're playing the same game. Is Mario Kart DS all that different from Mario Kart 64 or Maro Kart Double Dash? Is this new Castlevania all that different from the 3 GBA Castlevanias or Sympohony of the Night?

[evanft]

Sorry but to me sequels and ports have started to blend together. Bring a game over with the same story, give a guy more weapons, add a few costumes, etc. etc. you say it's a port. Make a few control improvemtents, give the guy more weapons, change the story(or even just keep going after the end) and it's a sequel. Still doesn't change the fact that you're playing the same game. Is Mario Kart DS all that different from Mario Kart 64 or Maro Kart Double Dash? Is this new Castlevania all that different from the 3 GBA Castlevanias or Sympohony of the Night?

The touch screen adds new gameplay dynamic to each of those games. MKDS is also online, something that no Mario kart has ever been. Castlevania is also 100000x better than every game on the PSP combined, so....

[opportunity777]

These numbers are so suspect. For one thing, Sony is renowned for posting numbers of units shipped to retailers, not sold to consumers.

Nintendo, however, posts numbers that represent how many were actually bought by consumers.

It wouldn't make sense for Nintendo to not misrepresent themselves if Sony is doing so as well. If Nintendo had "actual" represented numbers that showed them being outsold by Sony's "fantasy" numbers, then that would be bad move for Nintendo. It's harder to reverse public perception after it has been established. Even if Sony's numbers were misrepresented, then Nintendo would have to spend time and resources to call out Sony to clarify how they got the numbers they did. Either both numbers are misrepresented, or neither of them are. Odds are that the numbers are for the most part both accurate, but most likely fidgeted a bit :-)

I was going to post how I own a DS and not a PSP, but then it would be bringing my opinion into the matter. I'm just trying to look at these numbers objectively :-P

The touch screen adds new gameplay dynamic to each of those games. MKDS is also online, something that no Mario kart has ever been. Castlevania is also 100000x better than every game on the PSP combined, so....

Castlevania made me break down and buy the DS :)

I still want a PSP though. I'm tired of having to snag my friend's at work.

[Parathod]

Sorry but to me sequels and ports have started to blend together. Bring a game over with the same story, give a guy more weapons, add a few costumes, etc. etc. you say it's a port. Make a few control improvemtents, give the guy more weapons, change the story(or even just keep going after the end) and it's a sequel. Still doesn't change the fact that you're playing the same game. Is Mario Kart DS all that different from Mario Kart 64 or Maro Kart Double Dash? Is this new Castlevania all that different from the 3 GBA Castlevanias or Sympohony of the Night?

Mario Kart has online and a mission mode among other things.

Castlevania's battle system has changed a little bit, but yeah it's a sequel with just a few extra features to take advantage of the DS's design. It's still not a port by any means and is among the best, if not the best, in the series.

Ports for the DS are games like Need for Speed or Madden.

[depascal22]

Mario Kart has online and a mission mode among other things.

Castlevania's battle system has changed a little bit, but yeah it's a sequel with just a few extra features to take advantage of the DS's design. It's still not a port by any means and is among the best, if not the best, in the series.

Ports for the DS are games like Need for Speed or Madden.


But how are those different? I bet Madden or Need for Speed has some different things that the consoles don't have or vice versa. I wouldn't know since I haven't spent more than $5 on each series for at least ten years. So, that means if Madden was online, everyone would've been drooling all over it? Mario Kart's onine capabilties have nothing to do with originality. The DS is capable and Nintendo had the genious to put out a quality game that gives people what they want. Just don't pretend it's ground breaking or original because the game is so fun to play. With the PSP, Madden and SOCOM have online and cross compatibility. GTA is online. Are these still ports? They have system specific content and they give you an experience you just can't get on a console. That being said, they are all still ports/sequels. It's the same game just on a different console.

[omegaweapon7]

lol at all the ds fans in denial.

psp simply appealed to a bigger audiencve, thats all. i mean, how many non-hardcore adult gamers cared about nintendog? on the other hand, which casual gamer doesnt care about madden, burnout, ff7:ac, and freaking gta?

[Mattte]

But how are those different? I bet Madden or Need for Speed has some different things that the consoles don't have or vice versa. I wouldn't know since I haven't spent more than $5 on each series for at least ten years. So, that means if Madden was online, everyone would've been drooling all over it? Mario Kart's onine capabilties have nothing to do with originality. The DS is capable and Nintendo had the genious to put out a quality game that gives people what they want. Just don't pretend it's ground breaking or original because the game is so fun to play. With the PSP, Madden and SOCOM have online and cross compatibility. GTA is online. Are these still ports? They have console specific content and they give you an experience you just can't get on a console. That being said, they are all still ports/sequels. It's the same game just on a different console.


So your basically saying that there is no difference in comparing for instance Mario Kart 64 and Mario Kart DS to NFL Street 2 on PS2 to NFL Street 2 on PS2?


Also, you grouped Kirby Canvas Curse with the so called ports...and well thats just insane...

[Vinny]

This isn't that hard to believe... the PSP has been outselling the DS in the states since launch I believe.

[depascal22]

So your basically saying that there is no difference in comparing for instance Mario Kart 64 and Mario Kart DS to NFL Street 2 on PS2 to NFL Street 2 on PS2?


Also, you grouped Kirby Canvas Curse with the so called ports...and well thats just insane...

I'm not saying they're not quality games, just that the DS seems to be getting away with releasing sequels of popular games but the PSP is getting roasted for being a port heavy platform. Look at the RPG's for the PSP. The PSP doesn't have a Final Fantasy so it's suffered. The DS/GBA got ports FF I, II, and IV and they are given much deserved acclaim. The PSP releases ports of pretty much every big franchise they have. We don't get mad that we're playing the third or fourth iteration on a console but they somehow squeeze that magic down to a portable size and we thumb our nose at it because it's just a direct port?

[Vinny]

I'm not saying they're not quality games, just that the DS seems to be getting away with releasing sequels of popular games but the PSP is getting roasted for being a port heavy platform. Look at the RPG's for the PSP. The PSP doesn't have a Final Fantasy so it's suffered. The DS/GBA got ports FF I, II, and IV and they are given much deserved acclaim. The PSP releases ports of pretty much every big franchise they have. We don't get mad that we're playing the third or fourth iteration on a console but they somehow squeeze that magic down to a portable size and we thumb our nose at it because it's just a direct port?


I don't know where to start...

1. Sequel and ports are different. A port would be moving a game, or parts of a game, from one system to another while a sequel is a whole new game of an already established franchise (same/similar gameplay, new setting).
2. GBA and DS games are not the same. The only DS port is Super Mario 64 DS (and even that got new stuff).
3. The PSP is said to get ports because the PSP gets many PS2 games toned down for it (Madden, Burnout, etc.). They're multiplatform really but since the PSP is a handheld getting console games, they're considered ports.
4. The DS/GBA rarely gets worthy ports.. Madden, NFSU, etc. all suck.
5. Those 'ports' are looked down upon because those ports are $50.
6. The PSP, to date, has very few notable sequels (GTA, Hot Shots, um...) while the DS has a plethora of highly acclaimed sequels (Kirby, WarioWare, AW, Mario Kart, AC, Castlevania) and new franchises.

You're not making a good argument, you're just trying to convince people that the PSP's multiplatform games are the same as sequels.;)

[Mattte]

I'm not saying they're not quality games, just that the DS seems to be getting away with releasing sequels of popular games but the PSP is getting roasted for being a port heavy platform. Look at the RPG's for the PSP. The PSP doesn't have a Final Fantasy so it's suffered. The DS/GBA got ports FF I, II, and IV and they are given much deserved acclaim. The PSP releases ports of pretty much every big franchise they have. We don't get mad that we're playing the third or fourth iteration on a console but they somehow squeeze that magic down to a portable size and we thumb our nose at it because it's just a direct port?


I don't understand where you are getting this from...also I don't recall people being all "OMFG FF 1 & 1 BEST GAME EVAR~!", I just hear people "sweet I can play FF on the bus now" or something like that.

Ports and sequals are completly different things. Sequals usually introduce new gameplay techniques, story, updated graphics. Ports are generally the same exact thing. I personally think nothing is wrong with "porting" a console game to a handheld.

I guess what some people could complain about is that there are alot of them on the PSP and not enough new games that we haven't played on the PS2 yet.

[racthamp]

wow..these figure surprise me.. but general public really like their toy shiny i guess.. i have both DS and PSP... and think both system are great (for different purpose at least)... i wouldn't pay $250 for a PSP though (i got mine via trade).. but if it's eventually drop down to $150 or so.. i may pick up the second one.....

[depascal22]

For the PSP you've got Legend of Heroes, PoPoLoCrois, Kingdom of Paradise, Wipeout, Darkstalkers. None of these are original but they are sequels and not ports. Now I know the difference between a GBA game and a DS game but saying they're completely different is like saying a PS1 and a PS2 game are completely different. Can't I play both games on a PS2? You don't think they thought of DS owners when they decided to release FFIV? And you just repeated everything I've already said about ports and sequels, you don't have to preach the choir. I'm just saying that the line as blended so much that it's pretty much invisible. Mario Kart DS is sequel in your eyes because it has added content but SOCOM has to be a port? Why? It has just as much added content. I could care less what you call each one but don't rip one system because of some arbritray reason.

[Apossum]

okay, let's just boil it down folks--

CUT AND PASTE THE APPROPRIATE STATEMENT FOR YOUR POST.
-------

1. TEH DS IS TEH SUXXORZ.

2. TEH PSP IS TEH SUXXORZ.

If someone uses the one you disagree with, quote them and reply with the one you agree with.

[Mattte]

For the PSP you've got Legend of Heroes, PoPoLoCrois, Kingdom of Paradise, Wipeout, Darkstalkers. None of these are original but they are sequels and not ports. Now I know the difference between a GBA game and a DS game but saying they're completely different is like saying a PS1 and a PS2 game are completely different. Can't I play both games on a PS2? You don't think they thought of DS owners when they decided to release FFIV? And you just repeated everything I've already said about ports and sequels, you don't have to preach the choir. I'm just saying that the line as blended so much that it's pretty much invisible. Mario Kart DS is sequel in your eyes because it has added content but SOCOM has to be a port? Why? It has just as much added content. I could care less what you call each one but don't rip one system because of some arbritray reason.


When the fuck did some one call Socom a port?


Also, I'd like know as to why you think Kirby Canvas Curse is a "port"...not once during playing the game did I think "Shit I wish this game was alot less like [i]The Amazing Mirror"...

[depascal22]

Woah, calm down buddy.

I didn't know i could only use this thread for ammunition. Besides, I'm calling SOCOM a port. I put Kirby in the list in my first post because it's another nintendo character that they trot out every time a new platform launches. The game is a sequel/port/iteration/whatever of Kirby. They put a fresh coat of polish on it, took advantage of the platforms uniqueness and released a quality piece of software. But isn't it still Kirby? Kirby for the Revolution will also be unique and quirky but it will STILL be Kirby.

[Vinny]

Woah, calm down buddy.

I didn't know i could only use this thread for ammunition. Besides, I'm calling SOCOM a port. I put Kirby in the list in my first post because it's another nintendo character that they trot out every time a new platform launches. The game is a sequel/port/iteration/whatever of Kirby. They put a fresh coat of polish on it, took advantage of the platforms uniqueness and released a quality piece of software. But isn't it still Kirby? Kirby for the Revolution will also be unique and quirky but it will STILL be Kirby.

:rofl: Ok... so you're saying that every non-new franchise is a port?

[dastly75]

The game is a sequel/port/iteration/whatever of Kirby.

Now you're starting to change your definitions and clouding it up in the process. All people want is not to be hypocrites.

[daroga]

okay, let's just boil it down folks--

CUT AND PASTE THE APPROPRIATE STATEMENT FOR YOUR POST.
-------

1. TEH DS IS TEH SUXXORZ.

2. TEH PSP IS TEH SUXXORZ.

If someone uses the one you disagree with, quote them and reply with the one you agree with.
:lol:

[evanft]

depascal22 just got his ass put on my ignore list. Good job jackass.

[apokalipze2]

This thread is funny. PWAA ftw

[FriskyTanuki]

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/050404.jpg

[Apossum]

exactly.

and I just got your sig. good stuff :)

[Monsta Mack]

I think the figures are pretty shocking considering the PSP is $100 more, not to mention the titles are generally more expensive and what not.

Sony has done a pretty good job getting ground in the US. UMDs actually sell in the US and in Japan It's a different story.

Either way I got rid of my PSP not even a year after owning one, mainly because I found most of the titles not to be of my interest after viewing the DS lineup. I do however hope to snag a PSP three years down the road when it drops to $125 or less and most of the good titles can be had for cheap.

[Mattte]

...The last page of "debating" hasn't even been about PMG PSP IS TEH BEST DS SUXZORS, its mostly been about the definition of a port..

[Apossum]

UMDs don't do well in Japan? I haven't seen any recent figures from there. the system sells well, but I wonder if the japanese are eating up games or movies. I imagine it's games, considering they have twice as many as we do :roll:

[Apossum]

...The last page of "debating" hasn't even been about PMG PSP IS TEH BEST DS SUXZORS, its mostly been about the definition of a port..


so it's a subargument within a broader dumb argument :lol:

my opinion on ports:
a port is a game that was originally made for one system, then had its code translated to another. sometimes it has extras, sometimes it's a straight port. it's different than a multi-system game. for example, Battlefront 2 for the psp is a multi-system game, not a port, like someone else said i think. Alpha 3 will be a port with a bunch of extras. Burnout Legends probably used a lot of code form the ps2 burnout games, but it's not a port.

[depascal22]

:rofl: Ok... so you're saying that every non-new franchise is a port?


I'm just saying that they're not exactly new and groundbreaking just because they add one or two features. Kirby is a sequel period, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying it's still a Kirby game as SOCOM for PSP is still SOCOM. My original question was why do people differentiate between the two. If you're going to a different system with a different control scheme(SOCOM), it's a different game to me. If that makes me a jackass, so be it. Didn't want to interact with someone like you anyway. I was having fun with this debate until it became about nitpicking. I'll let you guys go back and debate statistics that may or may not even be truthful.

[b3b0p]

What I can't figure out is who are the dumbasses buying the UMD movies? Unless they are a dollar or two, how can anyone cnosider them worth it? Especially when the DVD is generally cheaper or the same price?

[Ikohn4ever]

see i think things will even out by the end of the next year, and the real data will prove accurate. When a system is released there is an obvious spike in sales. Also with the SP it still cuts down on people buying DSs. When more system selling games come out we shall see who really wins. E3 should be interesting to say the least.

[depascal22]

Good point, they should pull even and the DS will probably pull ahead unless the PSP gets a price drop. With the price of the games and quality of software, DS should have no problem being number 1 when the dust settles. It'll be interesting to see if Final Fantasy:Crisis Core for the PSP get released alongside a Final Fantasy game for the DS.

[GreenMonkey]

I own like 10 consoles.

Call me when the PSP has more than 1-2 games worth playing.

In my eyes it's the ultimate typical male gamer console. A pile of sports games and racing games, with a very few worthwhile games.

I want to play Lumines, and that's it. Contrast that with the 10 DS games or so I have.

Hell, we have 2 DSs. The wife got tired of fighting with me over it to play Nintendogs, Kirby, and Mario Kart and got one of her own.

I swear, what are you people doing on it, just watching those lame overpriced proprietary cropped UMD movies and playing Madden?

[RAMSTORIA]

oh who cares, play your games and be happy

[jer7583]

well it works like this.. the PSP sucks, is overpriced, and is aimed at g-unit thugs and trend-whores, with tons of advertising. thus it sells more.

The DS is much more value for the money, has more fun games, is more original, and is aimed at people who love nintendo and original games. It sells less.

That's just how it goes, folks. Crappier products aimed at the mainstream will always sell more than quality products aimed at specific segments of the market. Just look at any Playstation Product.

[alongx]

Even more proof that that PSP fuck in rules :D

The proof should be in the games (which it's not).

And, keep in mind, with any figures published, Nintendo tends to publish items sold vs. Sony publishing items shipped. So, until we hear this straight from the tracking group and can know their methods for tracking, I'm still skeptical.

[electrictroy]

no doubt the DS "won" this year by a long shot.

How on earth did you come to that conclusion? DS sold 1.2 million *less* than PSP.

[Strell]

How on earth did you come to that conclusion? DS sold 1.2 million *less* than PSP.

Because in Japan it is trouncing the PSP by a factor of 2 to 1. I don't know UK numbers but I know the DS is selling out there also.

[rodeojones903]

The proof should be in the games (which it's not).

And, keep in mind, with any figures published, Nintendo tends to publish items sold vs. Sony publishing items shipped. So, until we hear this straight from the tracking group and can know their methods for tracking, I'm still skeptical.


I really like my DS, but go to ebgames.com and take a look at all the games coming out for both systems. Seems to me that the PSP has more to offer in upcoming games.

PSP coming soon games
http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/deptpage.asp?wherefrom=comingsoon&web_dept=PSP

DS coming soon games (16 total and the only good looking games are first party and hopefully monkey ball)
http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/deptpage.asp?wherefrom=comingsoon&web_dept=Nintendo+DS

[MadFlava]

I wouldn't mind having both systems at the moment. I'll probably get the DS as soon as it dips below $100. I haven't paid more than that for any of my hand helds. Which mean it might be 10 years until I get the overpriced PSP. The only games I want to play on the PSP at the moment are Lumines, Darkstalkers, and Street Fighter Alpha 3. The DS has far more titles that I would like to have like Advance Wars, Castlevania, Trauma Center.

[botticus]

I really like my DS, but go to ebgames.com and take a look at all the games coming out for both systems. Seems to me that the PSP has more to offer in upcoming games.

PSP coming soon games
http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/deptpage.asp?wherefrom=comingsoon&web_dept=PSP

DS coming soon games (16 total and the only good looking games are first party and hopefully monkey ball)
http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/deptpage.asp?wherefrom=comingsoon&web_dept=Nintendo+DS
Not gonna argue much with that, but there's only one DS game announced past March, the PSP has bookings through June/July. The question which can only be answered in December is which system had better games. It might be similar to the way it went this year where the DS threw out a truckload of games that I still haven't caught up with, and the PSP was pretty static.

[electrictroy]

I hate portables.

Tiny screens. Lousy sound. Poor controls. And games written by junior-level programmers.

Consoles are better.

[gambitmachete]

I hate portables.

Tiny screens. Lousy sound. Poor controls. And games written by junior-level programmers.

Consoles are better.

I like portables better right now. I haven't had time lately to spend hours with my ass parked in front of the TV in my living room. Most of my gaming time consists of laying in bed at night and playing my PSP or DS until I fall asleep.

[Strell]

And games written by junior-level programmers.


I was hoping you'd say "written by all the lousy eBayers I deal with."

[Apossum]

How on earth did you come to that conclusion? DS sold 1.2 million *less* than PSP.

because it has a ton of good games and the psp has very few. that's what i meant by "won." the quotes mean i'm not using the sales figures to judge.........

[gambitmachete]

well it works like this.. the PSP sucks, is overpriced, and is aimed at g-unit thugs and trend-whores, with tons of advertising. thus it sells more.

The DS is much more value for the money, has more fun games, is more original, and is aimed at people who love nintendo and original games. It sells less.

That's just how it goes, folks. Crappier products aimed at the mainstream will always sell more than quality products aimed at specific segments of the market. Just look at any Playstation Product.

Hmmmm. G-Unit thugs and trend whores or bitter, juvenile social outcasts? :-k

[depascal22]

Muhfucka, why you gotta diss the PSP, bitch. Every thug in the hood has one of these you didn't know? You wanna go and diss the hood be prepared for the inevitable smack down that's gonna grace your silly little dome, ho.


No seriously, dissing an entire platform because of it's image is just retarded. If I bought into that, I would've never accepted a Gamecube as a Christmas present last year. I'm glad that I finally played Wind Waker, Baten Kaitos, Tales of Symphonia, Mario Kart, F-Zero, and Skies of Arcadia. I'm not that big a fan of the Nintendo cast of characters, but the games are fun. It's a better excuse to get out of shopping with my wife also. When I tell her I'm gonna be in the game store, she knows I'll be in that bitch for at least an hour because I'm looking through ALL the sections.....lol.

[jer7583]

I think its valid to diss the PSP because of its image.. since thats all it has, is an IMAGE. There's no real substance or value to the thing. I don't know anyone who seriously uses the thing for gaming. its a half assed movie/music/game player that does nothing well.

Hell, when I had one, other than Lumines, my games all got really old after the first week or so. After the fanciness of the graphics wore off, there wasn't much to get excited about. I sort of wish I still had one for lumines, but I'm glad i sold it when it was still worth around $200. More money for 360 and DS stuff.

You just cannot deny that the PSP is the MTV of videogaming.

[Apossum]

I think its valid to diss the PSP because of its image.. since thats all it has, is an IMAGE. There's no real substance or value to the thing. I don't know anyone who seriously uses the thing for gaming. its a half assed movie/music/game player that does nothing well.

Hell, when I had one, other than Lumines, my games all got really old after the first week or so. After the fanciness of the graphics wore off, there wasn't much to get excited about. I sort of wish I still had one for lumines, but I'm glad i sold it when it was still worth around $200. More money for 360 and DS stuff.

You just cannot deny that the PSP is the MTV of videogaming.

well, that's just like uh...your opinion man. ;)

honestly, i wouldn't own one if i didn't get a crackhead deal on it ($100) but I think it has some great games. Burnout legends, lumines, Guilty Gear, Darkstalkers (once you fix the dpad) and Ultimate Block Party are all good fun. and with the frequency I get to play games these days, they all keep me entertained. I've even enjoyed watching a few UMDs in bed at night. Emulation and movie file playing are also very handy.

The screen is huge and the sound quality is outstanding with headphones on...and let's face it-- with all that power and the lack of games right now, the thing has nowhere to go but up. starting with SFA3, Katamari, then the NIS game, Devil May Cry, FF:Crisis Core and others...

but I still submit that the DS is a better system for gamers right now.

[MorPhiend]

But the system and the games cost more to make...so yeah, it made more $ at retail in the whole "130 < 250" scheme of things, but for Sony they probably made LESS on each console that Nintendo did on each DSSony actually doesn't make money on it. That is why they said before it even launched that people should not ever expect a price reduction. When it finally becomes profitable for Sony, they will either keep selling it at cost/a very slight profit, or they will be releasing an update. They see themselves as in a seperate market from Nintendo. It's like the iPod. It's not too often that they get cheaper. They just come out with a newer version of the same thing.

And about the sales: When has Sony ever released sales numbers? They don't. Ever. They deal with units shipped, even when they are doing well in reality. And either number they might ever use also includes returns for defective products (which we all know is astronomically higher than the returns for both M$ and Nintendo combined) as well. So Sony numbers are never close to accurate of what they are "acting" like they are reporting. Also, this is a market research group or some crap like that. There is no way they have all the numbers available.

All that being said: Even if Sony had REAL numbers that were comparable to the numbers of Nintendo, and they did legitimately win, WHO CARES? It has been many yearsnow that gaming has been "cool" and the majority of gamers buy what is "cool," regardless of function/quality/value. It really doesn't matter. As long as Nintendo is the one who is profitable, I sure don't care. Because that means that Nintendo is the one with the greatest likelyhood of staying around.

Some might say this means I am a fanboy. But all it really means is that I enjoy Nintendo's games and I don't care what people think of me. I get tired of people whining that they can never play Nintendogs because people will think they are "teh ghey!" Why should people care what videogame I play, and more importantly why should I care what they think?

I don't. I walk around campus playing Mario Kart on my electric blue DS. I talk to my Nintendog on the go. I even sing into Electroplankton while I'm out. And I do it all with my pink Kirby stylus in hand.

People are too absorbed in self-appearance. And if that makes them buy a PSP solely because Nintendo is "teh kiddie," it's their loss. And I really don't care what multiple-return-shipped numbers Sony gives out, as long as Nintendo is profitable and making fun and pushing innovation, I am more than happy.

[praystation]

Japanese people like wierd stuff, like having a camera in the toilet bowl (ask cheapy if his apt got one of these), Lolita complex of its society, Female external genitalia obsession (watch thos Japan AV, these guys love that "thang" and spend 66.6% of the whole pron playing with that "thang), Mayo and shrimp pizza, French cuisine, turtle curry, and NDS.

[KingDox]

Well I'm glad the DS is doing so well over seas. I can see how it would be easy for a developer to come out with a Port on the PSP but have to put some real work into creating a new game for the DS. With so many DS consoles sold, we are sure to see a flood of games down the line just like the GBA. But I'm also sure there will be an eventual flood of PSP games just like there are like a million PS2 games.

I do have a feeling that the DS will sell more in 06, due to the lack of price drops from sony.

[depascal22]

Everyone seems to neglect to mention that the PSP is the only system that encourages importing. Since it's region free, we've been free to check out what the Japanese are keeping for themselves. Most of the time, it's crap that's made specifically for the Japanese audience. Sometimes, it's a hidden gem or a game that won't come stateside for a year. Guilty Gear is a prime example of this. Hopefully, the PS3 will follow this model and give us a killer platform with enough games to whet everyone's appetite. Yes, the PSP has an image. I thought, as real gamers, that we would all see through the propaganda and marketing strategies to see both systems as the pinnacle of handheld gaming. Oh, and don't forget about homebrew. You'll see that real gamers are enjoying much more than what is "commercially available". If the guy sitting next to you is playing to Madden while he wears a hoodie and Tims, then feel free to call him a G-unit thug and laugh in his face. Just don't expect me to feel sorry for you when you're hauled to the emergency room.

[Genocidal]

I hate to break it to you, but AFAIK no handheld system has been region locked, and I know for a fact no Nintendo handheld has been.

Edit: Oh, and the PSP *does* region lock its movies.

[Roufuss]

You'll see that real gamers are enjoying much more than what is "commercially available". .

I must be one fake gamer then, since I didn't buy a $250 dollar system to play NES games, and I am very much enjoying GTA: Liberty City Stories and X-Men Legends 2.

And the PSP is the only system that's region free? I'm not quite sure to explain how Jump Superstars is running on my DS right now... it must be magic. Or the devil.

[alongx]

I really like my DS, but go to ebgames.com and take a look at all the games coming out for both systems. Seems to me that the PSP has more to offer in upcoming games.

PSP coming soon games
http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/deptpage.asp?wherefrom=comingsoon&web_dept=PSP

DS coming soon games (16 total and the only good looking games are first party and hopefully monkey ball)
http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/deptpage.asp?wherefrom=comingsoon&web_dept=Nintendo+DS

I have to disagree with you there. Looking at my current collection for the two handhelds, I have 3 PSP games and 14 DS games. So, currently, I'd say the DS has an advantage over the PSP. However, your argument of the future is shaky at best, mostly due to your source.

First, the DS list is incomplete, and most of the good games for this year probably won't be announced until E3. One game that I'll probably get that wasn't on that list, for example, is Brain Training. Aside from that, from the EB list, I'll give you that there isn't much. The only game I'd consider buying from those offerings is Princess Peach.

The PSP on the other hand has a lot of games...but which ones are really worth owning? Specifically, which ones are worth owning over their better console brethren? The only two PSP games which have been announced and have details listed at IGN/Gamespot that I would consider buying are Exit and Loco Roco. That's it. And Loco Roco isn't even listed by EB.

Also, the EB listings are kind of lopsided. They list Crisis Core: FF7, which has no dates, no screens, no nothing. Yet, they lack the new DS Mario Bros. game which, while it has no solid release yet, is expected to ship around E3 and has been shown in playable form before. If you're going to make a comparison by release lists, go to IGN and look at everything offered.

[depascal22]

I must be one fake gamer then, since I didn't buy a $250 dollar system to play NES games, and I am very much enjoying GTA: Liberty City Stories and X-Men Legends 2.

And the PSP is the only system that's region free? I'm not quite sure to explain how Jump Superstars is running on my DS right now... it must be magic. Or the devil.


If the DS is region free, I stand corrected. Sorry to imply you're not a real gamer. You don't have to patronize me. If you don't want to play NES/SNES/Genesis/GB games on your PSP, don't. No one has a gun to your head, telling you to drag these files onto your memory stick.

Does anyone read what I'm posting or are all of you just zooming in on the one thing that's not 100% accurate and blasting me on it? This whole debate is turning into Coke vs Pepsi. No one's going to win, but it's all about what I have and if you don't have it, then you're an asshole I can't relate to because you just don't know how cool Kirby for the DS is.

I wasn't seeing many people supporting the PSP, so I threw my hat in the ring. I have a PSP and I love all it has to offer, BUT I'm still looking to get a DS in the near future. I have many different tastes and I like to own any platform with quality games to play. I don't give a damn about image or how people perceive me for playing games. I'm already the one of two people at work that regularly play games, so my dork factor couldn't get any higher. The thing is that I'm comfortable in my own skin. While other people are sitting there gossipping, or watching reruns on TV, I'm trying to beat my high score on Lumines.

[zman73]

I own them both, and like them both, albeit for different reasons... although I will be quicker to defend the DS over the PSP (in the case of a friend of mine who is a graphics whore and only owns the PSP)

Alot of people were very skeptical of the DS when it came out, but it is a well made system (appreance wise is the only flaw) and like all Nintendo handhelds can take abuse and last for hours on its battery pack, I currently have 14 games on this and see about 5 more out or coming out that I want

Polarium's puzzle mode owned me my entire vacation over christmas last year... until I beat the final puzzle on the trip home

PSP... great looking system, games look great... and movies look good on it too, but damn fingerprints on that glossy surface (since bought a skin)... and heaven forbid I ever drop the thing, the thing scares me...

I am loving this more for the emulation right now (but I need a much bigger card)... gives me the opportunity to play SNES, NES, and Genny games i havent played before and/or are overpriced and hard to find (ie: Earthbound, Streets of Rage 3...etc)

[Robobandit]

I'm not kidding when I say that there are more DS games coming out that I want than any other platform I've ever owned.

Right now, I've got:

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (favorite)
Viewtiful Joe: Double Trouble
Nanostray
Mario Kart DS
Mario 64 DS
Advance Wars: Dual Strike
Kirby's Canvas Curse
Lost in Blue
Tony Hawk's American Sk8land (surprisingly doesn't suck)
Animal Crossing: Wild World
Electroplankton
Trauma Center: Under the Knife
Meteos
Nintendogs

I've got Sonic Rush on the way to me from a friend and I intend to pick up Mario and Luigi 2 at some point.
I also want to (finally) import Quendan and the Eyeshield 21 game (football)

2006 looks huge for me, also.

Eyeshield 21 (Feb 2nd)
Children of Mana (hoping for localization.. JP release is in march)
FF3 DS (better be 2006.. otherwise there will be death)
Lost Magic
Tao
New Super Mario Brothers
Contact (from killer 7 creator)
Super Princess Peach (Feb, I think)
Age of Empires DS (out or will be soon, I think)
True Swing Golf (out)
Metroid Prime Hunters (must buy, online fps for the win :) )
Mario Basket 3v3
Guilty Gear: Dust Strikers
Bleach DS (online.. out in Japan already)

I'm sure there are a lot of others that I'm forgetting.. but my wallet cries in pain :(