DS Redesign (real this time)

[Dr Mario Kart]

oh shi...

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/news/060126.jpg

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/news/060126.html

Ninja Edit: IGN confirms all original functionality.
http://ds.ign.com/articles/683/683684p1.html

Translation:

A Superior DS Model makes an Appearance - DS Lite




The Nintendo Co. corporation (the Kyoto Itiminami Ku: Satoru Iwata president) on March 2nd this year will release the superior model of portable videogame machine "NintendoDS Lite" with a manufacturer desired retail price _____ Yen (including tax: AC adapter attachment included).

Sales of the original NDS began domestically on December 2nd, 2004, the system with dual screens, touchscreen, microphone input and wireless communication (local communication and Wi - Fi communication). The system is enjoyed by everyone, from videogame fans to women and the elderly; eventually, after being available for only 13 months, 5 million units were sold (fastest selling handheld in the Japan's history; The MediaCreate corporation). By the end of 2005, 5.7 million units were sold in Japan.

Nintendo now plans to sell the "NintendoDS Lite," unique from the NDS in that the thinner and lighter design makes the system more portable, and has 4 levels of screen brightness. The name "Lite" is derived from the fact that the system is now not as heavy, or 'light'.

Nintendo has designed the system to broaden its appeal to the consumer and expand the market, so that even more customers of varying ages and genders can enjoy the wide variety of quality software for the system.

Nintendo DS Lite
Release Date: 2006-03-02
Price: 16800 Yen
Feature: 4 adjustable levels of brightness
Old Size: 149 x 85 x 29 = 275g
New Size: 133 x 74 x 22 = 218g

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5305/size3nc.jpg

[Sway]

According to www.xe.com 16,800 Yen ~ $145

That DS is so sexy I'd hit it.

[R1V3R5]

I knew it would happen eventually. Why is Nintendo saying no redesigned DS at E3 then?

[Chris in Cali]

Fuck! Looks like I'll be buying a DS for the fourth time.

EDIT: It looks really small.... it's still going to play GBA games right?

[CouRageouS]

Crap now I gotta buy another DS. That'll look great next to my ibook too.

[s3v3n777]

It's ok...its not a massive redesign like the Advance to the SP. I'd have to see how small and just how light they make the new DS. I have to admit the original DS is a bit too large for my hands, at least when using the thumbstrap I have difficulties. However, I'm not paying $150 for a "Lite" model. Drop the price and maybe we'll be talking. Then again, maybe EB will give me an incentive to trade in my original DS, though I doubt it.

[gambitmachete]

I knew it was gonna be some iPod lookin' shit. It goes well with the white Revolution.

[Mr Durand Pierre]

Ouch! I just bought a DS 2 days ago:( On the plus side, this DS looks like only a very very mild improvement over the old one. Sure it's lighter, but it's not like I was sweating bullets holding the old one. And looking at the pics, it doesn't appear to be that much smaller than the old one, unless they made the screen smaller too (which sounds like a bad idea for a touch screen system. Imagine Meteos with a smaller screen and you'd get the idea). I'd even say that that the new start and select buttons look too small and harder to handle. The only improvement that I think would make any difference is the 4 levels of brightness thing. But I think I can live alright without that.

On one hand I wish I had waited longer before buying my DS, but I got a like new one for ~$90, and I think that when these come out the old models will still be in the $80-90 range used, so I shouldn't feel too cheated.

[gambitmachete]

Ouch! I just bought a DS 2 days ago:( On the plus side, this DS looks like only a very very mild improvement over the old one. Sure it's lighter, but it's not like I was sweating bullets holding the old one. And looking at the pics, it doesn't appear to be that much smaller than the old one, unless they made the screen smaller too (which sounds like a bad idea for a touch screen system. Imagine Meteos with a smaller screen and you'd get the idea). I'd even say that that the new start and select buttons look too small and harder to handle. The only improvement that I think would make any difference is the 4 levels of brightness thing. But I think I can live alright without that.

On one hand I wish I had waited longer before buying my DS, but I got a like new one for ~$90, and I think that when these come out the old models will still be in the $80-90 range used, so I shouldn't feel too cheated.

I know three people who got a DS within the last month. :-({|=

[Dr Mario Kart]

I know three people who got a DS within the last month. :-({|=

Dont tell them :-$

[Mr Durand Pierre]

I know three people who got a DS within the last month. :-({|=

Looking at the size/weight specs, it's even less of an improvement than I thought. I don't feel so bad anymore.
In fact, I don't even regret my decision at all, since I'm sure the old models will only drop very little in price, and the DS is too cool to have to wait another month+ for.

[humidore]

WTF man, I just read an article on gametrailers.com about the Euro Nintendo guy saying they won't do shit to the DS anytime soon. I don't know what to believe anymore, I've lost faith in the world...

[gambitmachete]

Fuck! Looks like I'll be buying a DS for the fourth time.

EDIT: It looks really small.... it's still going to play GBA games right?

I'm sure it does. If it didn't play GBA games, it would be a beyond idiotic move on Nintendo's part.

Looking at the size/weight specs, it's even less of an improvement than I thought. I don't feel so bad anymore.
In fact, I don't even regret my decision at all, since I'm sure the old models will only drop very little in price, and the DS is too cool to have to wait another month+ for.

Yeah, the people I know who got them all got the pink Japanese version, so I doubt they'll think this one is better looking. On the other hand, my girlfriend DOES complain about how her DS hurts her hands after she plays it for awhile, so she may be pissed that a lighter version is coming out right after she bought one.

I don't know whether I'm gonna get a new one or not. I have the boring grey one that I bought at launch, but I just got a Pokemon Mysterious Dungeon hard cover for it that I love. :D

[Ugamer_X]

The thing is still ugly as hell, but at least it looks like they fixed the crappy d-pad and face buttons.

[darthjones]

I think that the brighter screen is reason enough to get the redesigned DS. If they fix the low sound problem, then it'd be perfect.

[62t]

keep your old DS. You probably wont be able to use flashcart with the redesign DS

[cochesecochese]

I knew it would happen eventually. Why is Nintendo saying no redesigned DS at E3 then?

Because it's here now. The good thing is Nintendo is basically just outright lying to our faces now. So the whole Zelda controlled by Revolution controller thing is back up in the air (yes, I know I'm stretching it damn thin on this one).

[xrickyb86x]

fuck YEAH!

i wonder how much store credit i can get for my DS.

[Radioactive_Man]

I'm importing that sucka!

[gunm]

shit, another $130 drained from my wallet.

[A Link to the Past]

This is a pretty big improvement.

There were some nasty flaws with the DS that are fixed.

The d-pads and buttons are micro-style buttons (ie, better)
The microphone is in the middle, instead of being stuck in the corner
Fits in your pocket better (thinner, smaller)
Better screen quality

Now, people are jumping to conclusions. We don't know how the top, bottom or back looks, or how it performs.

For all we know, it'll be launching with a better battery, or have online PictoChat, or a backlight with the alarm clock, or new functions, a better stylus holder, GB/C compatibility, GBA link compatibility, or even not having to turn it off in order to navigate all of the DS' menus.

[Eggplant_Wizard]

I'm interested, but need more info. I'd also like to try one to see if the buttons on it piss me off as much as the old ones.

[botticus]

Eh... not worth spending more money on. If it's DSLite, charge "Lite" money for it :P I'm not a big fan of the iPod white either. Only reason I'd consider it is if I get my hands on it and say "Wow, this is great."

[mykevermin]

What's the fuckin' difference?

[Quigoni]

Well fuck. Usually the whispers in the dark at NOA are wrong, this time they were right. I hate that.

[cgpwns]

I know three people who got a DS within the last month. :-({|=

I feel bad for the Japanese that have been importing our DSs.

[cgpwns]

This is a pretty big improvement.

There were some nasty flaws with the DS that are fixed.

The d-pads and buttons are micro-style buttons (ie, better)
The microphone is in the middle, instead of being stuck in the corner
Fits in your pocket better (thinner, smaller)
Better screen quality

Now, people are jumping to conclusions. We don't know how the top, bottom or back looks, or how it performs.

For all we know, it'll be launching with a better battery, or have online PictoChat, or a backlight with the alarm clock, or new functions, a better stylus holder, GB/C compatibility, GBA link compatibility, or even not having to turn it off in order to navigate all of the DS' menus.

That's true, they may have an internet browser.
I just hope it doesn't scratch easily like my Ipod.

[AngellicLulu]

It looks pretty nice.

[munch]

I'm trading in my xbox for one!

[AngellicLulu]

Oh I just noticed it had adjustable brightness. Thank you Nintendo.

[CoffeeEdge]

Phew. Thank goodness, the redesign isn't really all that big a deal. I mean, the screens got smaller? What?

Now I'm not concerned about waiting for the DS redesign; I'll stick with the current model. Time to buy one. :)

[evilmax17]

It looks really nice, like some hybrid of an iPod and a DS. The new dpad + buttons are music to my ears, and I like that they're higher up on the system (it seems). I'm a little worried about the placement of the Start and Select buttons. I'm thinking that they're easy candidates for an accidental mispress, especially when using touch screen specials in Tony Hawk.

Hopes for updated firmware include:
-Configuration of NWFC built in
-Online Pictochat
-Ability to set buttons for GBA games (I'd rather use B/Y instead of B/A)

I think I might have to shill out and buy one, but if they don't change the firmware at all I might not.

I think it looks better than the PSP. It's more elegant.

[wageslave]

Meh. Seems to me like a marginal improvement. Not like the GBA => GBA SP improvement.

Edit: I should mention that I think it is great that Nintendo makes improvements and tweaks to their products based on consumer feedback when in fact they really don't have to. I won't fault them for doing re-designs and small changes to their systems to make gaming better for us. It makes me feel like they care about their customers.

Microsoft and their Thompson drives that they insisted on using for so long on the other hand...Well, lets just say no XBOX 360 for me.

[Ikohn4ever]

well I got my in december and I am a lil annoyed but I enjoyed mario kart so whatever

[Eggplant_Wizard]

Phew. Thank goodness, the redesign isn't really all that big a deal. I mean, the screens got smaller? What?

Where does it say the screen is smaller? That's just a mock up from what I understand.

[botticus]

Where did they move the power button? All they say is its not on the front anymore. It would suck if they put it in the back or something where you're gonna accidentally hit it while gripping it with your left hand. And I agree, the Start/Select placement might be troublesome.

If I either have some left over GR credit in a few months, or my fiancee wants mine (unlikely :P) I'll probably get one. But no need to upgrade with this information.

[Strell]

I feel bad for the Japanese that have been importing our DSs.

Thread winnar ----^

Regarding the design, I'll be getting it at some point. Very sexy. I'm hoping the final look mirrors the Rev controller - I think it would be a great marketing idea if all of Nintendo's portables reflected the white polish design. That would link them all together and make people think "hmmm, these look the same, same company, Nintendo," etc etc, really drive the point home and get into consumers' heads.

The new hinge is great - just makes more sense, even though I never had a problem with the old one. I'm hoping there's places for two stylii, maybe even a place to hold an extra game. No matter really, as long as it is smaller and sleeker, it will be mine.

[regisphilbi0]

That DS is hot! Glad I've waited to buy one. Now just to wait to find out when/ how much it will cost here.

[daroga]

The brighter screens are all the reason I need to get one. The SP2 totally spoiled me.

[Strell]

The brighter screens are all the reason I need to get one. The SP2 totally spoiled me.

I was in the car yesterday with the gf, she was playing her DS and remarking about how the screen was washed out. She also had her Micro on her (*sniff* I'm training her so well) and I asked her to take it out and turn it on for side-by-side comparison.

Easily, the brighter screen is worth it. I could make out all the detail on the Micro even in full and direct daylight, whereas I could make out a fuzzy image on the DS.

It's funny. 5 years ago we were just happy with a lighted screen. Now we demand them to be brighter. I imagine the next plausible steps are underwater capability and space travel friendly designs.

[Ecofreak]

Indeed, a very sexy piece of equipment. If the reviews for the new design are more good than bad, count me a new DS owner. :)

Here's a comparison of old vs. new.

http://www.4colorrebellion.net/media/pics/06/01/ds-comparison.jpg

From http://www.4colorrebellion.net/

[kapkorn]

LOL figures I just got my DS like 14 hours ago.


Owell at least DS is cheap.

[1modernboy]

Looks nice, but damn, Nintendo! These redesigns are getting ridiculous...

[Puffa469]

Well Ive held off on getting a DS this long... I guess I will wait for this new improved version.

[Strell]

I hate to say it, but come March 2 in Japan, I believe the PSP is over.

[yukine]

From what we know now, I'm loving what they have done with it so far. After we get an exact launch date from NOA, and perhaps a few reviews of it, I'll be able to decide whether or not to sell my current DS.

[FurryCurry]

This is a pretty big improvement.

For all we know, it'll be launching with a better battery, or have online PictoChat, or a backlight with the alarm clock, or new functions, a better stylus holder, GB/C compatibility, GBA link compatibility, or even not having to turn it off in order to navigate all of the DS' menus.

I don't think that this a pretty big improvement. It's an improvement but not the same as...

Gameboy to Gameboy Pocket to Gameboy Color
or
Micro
GBA to GBA SP =^
> SP 2

I'm not getting one since I have a Mario Kart DS. Then again, if they update the firmware with all of the stuff you mentioned. I'll cry. It's so hard going from Castlevania DS to AoS or from Gunstar Heroes to anything else. And it's lame that there isn't like a home button like on the PSP.

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With this news, I think what Nintendo of America Should do is...

Release a brand new DS bundle. But not with a game... No kids..

the frigging PLAY-YAN.

Yes! An all black or black and white DS Lite with a Play-Yan and a 256 mb memory card to start with. All for $199 bucks. Tell me that would not stick it to the PSP in America a bit?

[Mookyjooky]

Thread winnar ----^

Regarding the design, I'll be getting it at some point. Very sexy. I'm hoping the final look mirrors the Rev controller - I think it would be a great marketing idea if all of Nintendo's portables reflected the white polish design. That would link them all together and make people think "hmmm, these look the same, same company, Nintendo," etc etc, really drive the point home and get into consumers' heads.

The new hinge is great - just makes more sense, even though I never had a problem with the old one. I'm hoping there's places for two stylii, maybe even a place to hold an extra game. No matter really, as long as it is smaller and sleeker, it will be mine.

Hell, why not just get Apple's Marketing Team and Designers to do all of Nintendo's products?

[yukine]

I’m guessing the colors will be white, silver, black, red and apple green huh? Just like those Rev controllers.
Gab Gab - 01.26.06 5:49 am. Comment from 4colorrebellion.com

'tis a good idea, I think. :drool:

[BREVITY]

I hope its got that new super nice screen thats on the new GBAs.

[usickenme]

I like how it is much cleaner than the old DS, which looks like a ship out of Battlestar Galactica.

in English measurements. It is 5/8" less wide, 3/8" less tall, 1/4" thinner (1 1/8" vs. 7/8") -which is a big deal to me.

[Apossum]

nice! i'm sure the screens will be brighter and have higher resolution.

also, it looks almost flat! That's awesome, cuz i hate the DS' convex shape.

[AdamInPlaidum]

I think they should reconsider that name. I know it doesn't matter for us responsible "know what we're buying before we buy it" gamers, but to the average gamer, calling something "Lite" makes it sound like you aren't getting as much.

Diet, Lite, Mini = Less
Special Edition, XL, Reloaded = More

I think they should call it the "Nintendo DS I havn't seen you since high school! You look GREAT!"

[BustaUppa]

dang, I bought a DS not even two weeks ago! If they discontinue the old model, I wonder if I could use my 2-year service plan to get a new one later on??

[javeryh]

It's not as drastic of a redesign as I was expecting but I'll probably cave and finally buy a DS now. It will give life to the few GBA games I haven't played in a while because of my PSP...

[jkam]

Hmmm....I think for the first time in awhile with Nintendo handhelds it will be a wait and see. I obviously like that it will be smaller. There are still a few questions I have or want to wait to see:

1. The screen....will it be more like the SP2? Hopefully no blurring?
2. D-Pad...I love the current DS one because it works well for SFII Turbo Revival where as the SP doesn't work well for me with that game. I hope the new d-pad isn't like the SP design. Maybe more like the micro?
3. Another color besides white? Maybe I don't know black?
4. New features (Will we get GB\GBC compatiblity? or any other new features?)

So I'm thinking I'll probably wait for a review to see what's up. I'm pretty happy with the DS as it is now and actually prefer it over the SP now so I think this is a harder sell for me.

[Masterkyo]

Seems like i got to get new DS.

[shipwreck]

The buttons and d-pad are an instant sell for me. I hate the current buttons on the DS and I find that I've been playing my Micro a lot more than the DS lately.

[mackaikai]

getting a DS lite, glad that I didn't pull the trigger for the DS/Nintendog deal from Circuit City =p

bring on the DS lite!

[Apossum]

I think they should reconsider that name. I know it doesn't matter for us responsible "know what we're buying before we buy it" gamers, but to the average gamer, calling something "Lite" makes it sound like you aren't getting as much.

Diet, Lite, Mini = Less
Special Edition, XL, Reloaded = More

I think they should call it the "Nintendo DS I havn't seen you since high school! You look GREAT!"


:lol:

i think it's to attract that untapped female market. "Lite" is the spelling they use for fat free potato chips and other crap that girls eat.

[Lan_Zer0]

Black version. Now.

[ryanbph]

looks nice, but no enough for me to get another one

[DrunkTigerWoods]

Fantastic! I've been waiting for this. It just better come in black.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

I'll have to see how the new buttons and D-pad feel before I take the plunge. I really like the new look although I never had a problem with the original design. What could really sell it for me is the brightness levels.

As someone else stated, I hope it doesn't have the blurring issues that come complain about on the SP2.

[Reality's Fringe]

Damn the new buttons and their ergonomics. I just bought a DS :cry:. At least it's going to be released around a point where I'll have some more disposable income.

[Quigoni]

Well apparently we wont be seeing them in the near future over here (not for at least a few months after the JP launch) is what I've heard so far as they need to design new brackets for the thing.

[Robobandit]

Black version. Now.

QFT

[secretvampire]

Meh. Not enough of a difference for me to upgrade unless it basically winds up being a free upgrade. I'd rather have the bigger screen, and my hands are large so I like the current form factor of the DS.

[Strell]

I'd rather have the bigger screen, and my hands are large so I like the current form factor of the DS.

Did they make the screen smaller? I don't see a confirmation of that anywhere.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Did they make the screen smaller? I don't see a confirmation of that anywhere.

No. The screen is the same size, they just trimmed the size of the chassis somewhat.

[secretvampire]

My mistake, I took that picture in the OP to be the screen size, not the chassis size.

EDIT: NICE avatar, lebowsky. Chimay is some godly stuff.

[javeryh]

Maybe I'll wait for the DS Micro... you know it's coming eventually... Is the "Lite" the smallest they could make it without sacrificing screen size?

[electrictroy]

Fuck! Looks like I'll be buying a DS for the fourth time.Crap now I gotta buy another DS. That'll look great next to my ibook too.
You people are strange. You don't "got to" do anything. You're just >wasting< the money you >slaved< to earn. Keep the DS you have now & save your cash.

[shipwreck]

Maybe I'll wait for the DS Micro... you know it's coming eventually... Is the "Lite" the smallest they could make it without sacrificing screen size?

They might be able to make it slightly smaller, but I really don't think they will ever be able to make the screen size smaller do to the touch screen support. If you make the screen smaller, it makes the tip of the stylus contact a larger percentage of the screen. This could cause unfavorable results in a lot of games.

[javeryh]

They might be able to make it slightly smaller, but I really don't think they will ever be able to make the screen size smaller do to the touch screen support. If you make the screen smaller, it makes the tip of the stylus contact a larger percentage of the screen. This could cause unfavorable results in a lot of games.

Right. They would have to make the stylus more needle-like to be playable. I might actually pick one of these things up. If it happened to play original GB/GBC games it would be a no-brainer but I have a feeling I'll always have to carry around my SP for some Tetris action. Lugging 3 handhelds everywhere I go plus my iPod, cell phone and blackberry is getting a bit out of hand...

[Dr Mario Kart]

They are truly the masters of taking your monies. They couldve forced you to buy more units by having the originals break down. But instead, they are going to 'convince' you to buy another one, and also that those arent the droids you're looking for.

[62t]

Right. They would have to make the stylus more needle-like to be playable. I might actually pick one of these things up. If it happened to play original GB/GBC games it would be a no-brainer but I have a feeling I'll always have to carry around my SP for some Tetris action. Lugging 3 handhelds everywhere I go plus my iPod, cell phone and blackberry is getting a bit out of hand...
nintendo is making tetris DS, so no need to carry your SP

[ArthurDigbySellers]

My mistake, I took that picture in the OP to be the screen size, not the chassis size.

EDIT: NICE avatar, lebowsky. Chimay is some godly stuff.

Thanks, man. I have one sitting in my fridge right now ;) There is only one wine/beer shop that sells it near me. Luckily it is only about 10 mins away.

[rywateska]

Any idea when this is dated for retail release?

[javeryh]

nintendo is making tetris DS, so no need to carry your SP

Unless it's an EXACT port of Tetris DX I'm probably not going to be interested...

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Unless it's an EXACT port of Tetris DX I'm probably not going to be interested...

Can't you just play that on your PSP? ;)

[Strell]

Can't you just play that on your PSP? ;)

Probably, but you'd get to 30 lines and your power would run out.

/BUUUUUUUUUUUUURN

[WebScud]

Gah. Why are there so many threads about this?

It better come in black (stateside) this time.

[Supercake]

The start/select buttons seem a little close to the screen, but otherwise it's what I expected from Nintendo. Smaller and Ipod like. Can't wait to rub this in my friends faces! :) I kept saying I would wait for the redesign, and here it is!

[javeryh]

Can't you just play that on your PSP? ;)

Damn, that's true.... hmmm... I wonder if the controls will feel similar...

[mykevermin]

Lugging 3 handhelds everywhere I go plus my iPod, cell phone and blackberry is getting a bit out of hand...

http://www.gamerevolution.com/oldsite/games/psp/action/rengoku_johnnyfive.jpg

[javeryh]

http://www.gamerevolution.com/oldsite/games/psp/action/rengoku_johnnyfive.jpg

He's alive!

[strebor]

Dammit! I just bought my DS a couple of weeks ago. I like my red DS far more though--I'm just not into the white systems thing. The extra brightness is nice, but I the placement of the Start/Select buttons is weird. I wonder if that's the final design.

I wonder where they moved the Power button to. I have pressed that thing accidentely SO many times when I shift positions or whatever.

After it comes out, if you send in your old style DS (with a stuck or dead pixel or whatever) to NOA, would they send you a new style DS back or would you get a refurb old one or something? That is if they just don't repair them and send the same one back.

[Zoglog]

horray for nintendo. "revolutionarily" jacking your wallets one minor redesign at a time.
Typical hahaha

oh well I expected this crap from nintendo so I held off buying a DS for my girlfriend and voila!

[ArthurDigbySellers]

He's alive!

Somewhere, El DeBarge is smiling.

[Nogib]

Not being into the bland, sterile, industrial white choice, I'd have to wait for better colors.

[WebScud]

I wonder where they moved the Power button to. I have pressed that thing accidentely SO many times when I shift positions or whatever.

You're not the only one.

After it comes out, if you send in your old style DS (with a stuck or dead pixel or whatever) to NOA, would they send you a new style DS back or would you get a refurb old one or something? That is if they just don't repair them and send the same one back.

There are going to give you the old style until there is no stock left. I wouldn't count on that as upgrade method. Besides, I'm almost certain that there has to be more than one problematic pixel. Dead/stuck pixels are just a feature of the technology. You have to have nine before Sony will exchange a PSP as with laptops and thier makers. Just the way it is.

[psiufoxx2]

Nintendo is so goddam smart.

They're gonna wtfpwn with this DS.

[botticus]

There are going to give you the old style until there is no stock left. I wouldn't count on that as upgrade method. Besides, I'm almost certain that there has to be more than one problematic pixel. Dead/stuck pixels are just a feature of the technology. You have to have nine before Sony will exchange a PSP as with laptops and thier makers. Just the way it is.
Nope, one dead pixel = replacement.

[Ecofreak]

horray for nintendo. "revolutionarily" jacking your wallets one minor redesign at a time.
Typical hahaha

oh well I expected this crap from nintendo so I held off buying a DS for my girlfriend and voila!

Nintendo isn't making you buy the new DS - it will have the same functionality as the original - just smaller w/ a brighter screen.

I find it interesting how so many people who have bought a DS are actually excited about it and will give their old DS to loved ones. Few seem to be complaining, at least on CAG.

And to those who complain about Nintendo releasing too many iterations of Game Boys, that may be true. But I highly suspect that they will phase out the current DS style and replace it with the Lite. No reason to have two versions out.

[wildnuts02]

horray for nintendo. "revolutionarily" jacking your wallets one minor redesign at a time.
Typical hahaha

oh well I expected this crap from nintendo so I held off buying a DS for my girlfriend and voila!

haha this is my exact situation too. i'll get my g/f the white one.

[b3b0p]

I have a DS, but I am really excited about this one. I will be getting one.

I don't understand why anyone would be upset if they just bought a DS. It plays the same games. It does not make your DS any less fun.

[SpottedNigel]

I find it interesting how so many people who have bought a DS are actually excited about it and will give their old DS to loved ones. Few seem to be complaining, at least on CAG.


I'm gonna have a hard time explaining why I get the nice new one, while she gets the hand me down... damn animal crossing...

[Strell]

I don't understand why anyone would be upset if they just bought a DS. It plays the same games. It does not make your DS any less fun.

People like to make whiny bullshit arguments to make themselves feel better about adopting early technology when they full well know a redesign will eventually be released.

For the record, I have a launch DS. I will be getting the DSL at some point.

[asianxcore]

if the screen turns out to be really nice, I might actually get one of these. I love my DS, but I have trouble playing it outside when there is a lot of sunlight.

[gunm]

the improved screens alone will make this almost impossible for me to resist--it's what made me trade in my old GBA SP for the newer one.

[Ecofreak]

I'm gonna have a hard time explaining why I get the nice new one, while she gets the hand me down... damn animal crossing...

Don't know why should would complain if she's getting it for free.

Heck, if she doesn't want it I'll take it. ;)

[.JPG]

The DS actually isn't that heavy, but Nintendo always seems to have to improve everything. It will be interesting to see what is all improved on it and how much of a different it makes.

The microphone I see is in a different place where it should have been which is nice, the lights are in an awesome place, and it looks a lot more styling. I wonder if the battery life is improved. Overall looks interesting...

[the3rdkey]

Gonna ebay my old one for this sexy beast. Damn imagine it in other colors...

[ArthurDigbySellers]

if the screen turns out to be really nice, I might actually get one of these. I love my DS, but I have trouble playing it outside when there is a lot of sunlight.

Playing games in the fresh air? Sacrilege!

[Dr Mario Kart]

Playing games in the fresh air? Sacrilege!

The day ball hurts my eyes and skin.

[evilmax17]

Uhoh, just thought of something.

What's the deal with games that have online play? Doesn't the game bind you to your specifc DS or something?

So what happens if I buy the redesign, and want to play online?

[botticus]

Uhoh, just thought of something.

What's the deal with games that have online play? Doesn't the game bind you to your specifc DS or something?

So what happens if I buy the redesign, and want to play online?
I THINK that you just get a new WiFi ID. But as far as I know, your record and whatnot are stored on your game card, so you don't lose everything. But your friends would all have to re-add your codes.

[pimp tyranny]

are y'all kidding? it's like half an inch smaller.

[Demontooth]

I bought a DS the day after Thanksgiving. I have no regrets, this new one may not be out until summer and I would have missed out on 6-7 months of playing cool games.

[botticus]

I bought a DS the day after Thanksgiving. I have no regrets, this new one may not be out until summer and I would have missed out on 6-7 months of playing cool games.
Not to mention half the games are difficult to impossible to find already.

[Purple Flames]

Nintendo, I love ya, but seriously, my udders are bruised and discoloured.

[Rozz]

I'd rather have my Teal DS anyday of the week. This isn't big enough of an improvement for me to want to sell of my old DS anyway. I have no problems with my current DS, except playing it outside, which I shut off the light if I do anyway. So, no problems here.

But you've got to hand it to Nintendo. Heres another way for them to milk you.

[Demontooth]

I don't really think they are milking anyone, they aren't making you buy it.

[wildnuts02]

Nintendo, I love ya, but seriously, my udders are bruised and discoloured.

X-D classic.

[SpottedNigel]

... I need to see the edges. The edge on the sides kills my hands while playing.

[Rozz]

I don't really think they are milking anyone, they aren't making you buy it.

Nintendo? Not milking the cow for all its worth? Sure, they're not "making" you buy it, but that doesent mean they're not milking. I cant wait to see the next DS redesign...

[Admiral Ackbar]

Heres another way for them to milk you.[/size]


But it's done for your pleasure.

[BIG5]

I won't be getting one, but anything that spurs DS sales is good for me!

[RedvsBlue]

Is the N64 the only nintendo system aside from the Gamecube (which may still) that didn't get a redesign? I'm thinking it is but I could be wrong. Virtual Boy doesn't count either.

[Pancake Rabbit]

No analog? No thanks. I'll wait for the redesign of the redesign. I'm one step ahead of you Nintendo.

[1SwtDeception]

At first I thought "BS!" cause I really did believe the redesign is a rumor for the moment, of course it's Nintendo... that should have light a bulb in my head. But the redesign too big of a deal that I'm just going to dump my current DS for the new one.. although.. I have a need to give it to my lover and I take the new one when it comes out :D!. Anyhow, I never had too much problems with the DS now and I'm really glad it is a redesign and not a reinvention (but I would like that one prototype someone made up T.T).

[crystalklear64]

http://dsevolves.ytmnd.com/

[Tamashii Sensei]

Is the N64 the only nintendo system aside from the Gamecube (which may still) that didn't get a redesign? I'm thinking it is but I could be wrong. Virtual Boy doesn't count either.

Nope, the Nintendo 64 was redesigned as well...

http://www.vidgame.net/NINTENDO/Nintendo/N64/pikachu_sys.jpg

Anyway, I placed a pre-order for the DS Lite at Play-Asia.com today... I can't wait until it's finally out. :)

[SpottedNigel]

No analog? No thanks. I'll wait for the redesign of the redesign. I'm one step ahead of you Nintendo.

They arn't going to do analog on the DS. The next gameboy format I could see that happening, but not while that screen is still there

[Strell]

No analog? No thanks. I'll wait for the redesign of the redesign. I'm one step ahead of you Nintendo.

You'll be waiting until DS2 then.

And the N64 had the Funtastic colors series. That's not quite a redesign, but it is worth mentioning.

[swetooth9]

haha some of you sound like you're trying to convince yourself you dont want it :p i havent got a DS yet, but i MAY get one when the redesigned one goes down in price..dont really want one right now...but i know i will eventually want one maybe in like in the fall....

[botticus]

The NES and SNES were released in multiple iterations in the US? I've never seen anything different. Or are we referring to Japanese redesigns?

[jdevlin7756]

I am pleased to see this. Probably won't ever get the new version unless something happens to mine... However, this new sexy version might help to get more mainstream acceptance for the DS. That would mean even more fun and original games.

[Pancake Rabbit]

You'll be waiting until DS2 then.

Then let the games...BEGIN!!

Sony blessed the ps1 gamers with an analog stick halfway through the system's life. If only nintendo were as cool as sony. :D

[Purple Flames]

haha some of you sound like you're trying to convince yourself you dont want it :p i havent got a DS yet, but i MAY get one when the redesigned one goes down in price..dont really want one right now...but i know i will eventually want one maybe in like in the fall....

Oh don't get me wrong. I WILL be getting a Lite, just not anytime soon. I just got a DS for Christmas, so I wanna get as much mileage out of the original model before I upgrade.

[Strell]

Then let the games...BEGIN!!

Sony stole the analog stick halfway through the system's life from Nintendo, which had it from the beginning. If only Sony had any idea of wtf to do like Nintendo. :D

Ahh, there we are. I took the liberty of fixing your post.

[Foolman]

I'm hoping for a trade in deal. Otherwise I wouldn't feel right paying for a new one, even if it is sexy.

[FriskyTanuki]

Ahh, there we are. I took the liberty of fixing your post.
While it is widely believed that the Nintendo 64 was the first home console to include an analog controller, the Vectrex (and Atari 5200) preceded the N64 by over a decade.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vectrex

[Ecofreak]

Why doesn't the OP start a poll ala the one Kotaku.com is doing? I'm curious to see how many where the opinion of CAGers lie, although the general consensus seems positive.

[FriskyTanuki]

Why doesn't the OP start a poll ala the one Kotaku.com is doing? I'm curious to see how many where the opinion of CAGers lie, although the general consensus seems positive.
Only mods can add a poll to existing threads.

[munch]

I just wish it would come a lot sooner. I was going to pick up a DS in the next couple of weeks. Not some mucn anymore.

[Strell]

Nintendo had it in their console from the get go, which is the point I was making.

[Zoglog]

Nintendo's handhelds are built with shortcomings for future releases. They do it so things like major control issues won't be changed but minor things that will push people to upgrade. Nothing wrong with it in my opinion but people love to credit Nintendo as being somewhat holy and above being a company simply for profit which is not the case. Fanboyism is a nasty thing

Lookin forward to Nintendo DS Micro EX-SP LS

[daroga]

Nintendo's handhelds are built with shortcomings for future releases. They do it so things like major control issues won't be changed but minor things that will push people to upgrade. Nothing wrong with it in my opinion but people love to credit Nintendo as being somewhat holy and above being a company simply for profit which is not the case. Fanboyism is a nasty thing

Lookin forward to Nintendo DS Micro EX-SP LS
Either that, or they make the best system they can at the time it's released and upgrade it as new tech becomes more affordable (Li-Ions, backlight, etc.)

[Limegreen]

That's a dirty trick to make people buy a new ds , i know if i had an old one i would like to own the new one , this makes me mad for you people , they should stick to one model and that's it , i knew it was going to happen all along !

[Arkay Firestar]

This is not for people who already have a DS. They have changed almost nothing in terms of functionality. All they did was sexy it up, make it a tad smaller and lighter, and make the screens brighter. You can still see and hear everything in DS and GBA games on the original system, and furthermore, all future games will play identically.

This is for people who don't have a DS yet, or who are reluctant to get one. Its also so when they market Revolution/DS functionality, they look related to one another. That's it. This is a LOT less dramatic than the GBA -> GBASP, and even less dramatic than the GBASP -> GBASP(BL) change, since both systems are already backlit and the difference will be noticable, but negligable.

Go Nintendo.

If I can get 80-100 value for my current DS and accessories, I would gladly pay 40 for the new screen. If that never happens, I could care less. I wuv my DS. Bring on the Metroid.

And don't forget, Nintendo will likely release a Metroid Black Original DS bundle, then in the late summer-early fall unleash the new DS stateside, in time for the Revolution.

[Zoglog]

the neo geo pocket came out before the original GBA and that had a backlight.....

It's never technology, it's strategic development.

[Arkay Firestar]

No it IS technology. Nintendo publicly has explained that they never used backlighting in that era because it absolutely killed battery life, and of course they were right. The Turbo Express, Nomad, Game Gear, and so on, had backlit LCD screens with terrible refresh rates, but more importantly, that were absolute battery guzzlers. More recently, I think the SP could have been backlit, but once again, its about what their priorities and objectives were. A system with a screen like the PSPs would NOT have been possible even 3 or 4 years ago...the LCD technology and battery technology just wasn't there to make it VIABLE.

But of course, there is always market strategy behind it...it's just a matter of what they wanted to accomplish and provide for the consumer.

[daroga]

the neo geo pocket came out before the original GBA and that had a backlight.....

It's never technology, it's strategic development.
So did the Game Gear. You missed most of what I wrote. Afforadably apply the tech. They weren't going to develop something that sucked 6 batteries dry in 2 hours. So they waited for the Li-Ion technology to become cheap enough to put in and then lit their screens.

[Blind the Thief]

I figure I'll get one soon enough...but the question is: import, or hold off for a US release?

[jkam]

the neo geo pocket came out before the original GBA and that had a backlight.....

It's never technology, it's strategic development.

The neo geo pocket did NOT have a backlight.

[LancerEvoX]

Even though I already bought a DS (during december during that whole "price error"), I always wanted a 2nd DS. Guess I'll just wait and get the new one. I like the current DS design, but I like the new one too. The new one is pretty nice and worth waitin for. Originally, I was gonna sell back my DS for the new one but, the trade in values are probably pretty bad, so I might as well keep a 2nd DS for multiplayer wi-fi action.

[botticus]

Even though I already bought a DS (during december during that whole "price error"), I always wanted a 2nd DS. Guess I'll just wait and get the new one. I like the current DS design, but I like the new one too. The new one is pretty nice and worth waitin for. Originally, I was gonna sell back my DS for the new one but, the trade in values are probably pretty bad, so I might as well keep a 2nd DS for multiplayer wi-fi action.
Yeah, I figure if nothing else, my fiancee will play me in Mario Kart.

[rabbitt]

I think it looks a little nicer, but won't warrent a purchase from me.

[LancerEvoX]

Yeah, I figure if nothing else, my fiancee will play me in Mario Kart.

Exactly :D. Besides I'm not a huge fan of selling back systems to Gamestop/EB games to get a low sellback value. How much are they buying it for anyways? I'm guessing its prob $50-$60. Not worth the tradeoff.

[banpeikun]

What's Yggdra Union in your sig? Is that a game coming out?

[LancerEvoX]

What's Yggdra Union in your sig? Is that a game coming out?

It's a GBA game from the makers of Riviera. Its coming out in Japan next month. Go check out the website.

Another preview with pictures:
http://www.the-magicbox.com/0510/game051016b.shtml

[Machikunas]

No it IS technology. Nintendo publicly has explained that they never used backlighting in that era because it absolutely killed battery life, and of course they were right. The Turbo Express, Nomad, Game Gear, and so on, had backlit LCD screens with terrible refresh rates, but more importantly, that were absolute battery guzzlers. More recently, I think the SP could have been backlit, but once again, its about what their priorities and objectives were. A system with a screen like the PSPs would NOT have been possible even 3 or 4 years ago...the LCD technology and battery technology just wasn't there to make it VIABLE.

But of course, there is always market strategy behind it...it's just a matter of what they wanted to accomplish and provide for the consumer.



I dunno dude... my afterburner certainly doesn't kill my battery life... just sayin'.

[io]

Nope, one dead pixel = replacement.

Not if they don't have it any more - I sent a Teal one back and they repaired it (and sent it back with a *different* bad pixel, but there were 2 in the original so that is an improvement). So if they don't have the old style any more they will most likely just fix it and send back (unless somehow it is more cost effective for them to send you a new one, but I doubt that).

[GizmoGC]

Instant purchase for me. Its apprently coming out in 3 colors in Japan, which is awesome. I'll hold off placing an import order until they announce a US release. If its within a week or two, I'll wait, otherwise I'll be importing this sucka.

[zewone]

Nintendo has actually convinced me to buy a DS.

[Aleryn]

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo yeahhhhhh!!!! Smaller, great color, and just overall better!

And my DS needs to be returned cuz of dead pixels any way, can I go a month without a DS cuz of this? And maybe even pay around $20 more for it? HELL YES!!!

Thank you SOOOOOOOO much for this information!

[GTmaster39]

I knew Nintendo was going to fucking do this. I hate it. They are doing the same Apple is doing with all their ipods and crap and I'm sick of it. Stay to one THING! My DS goes to Gamestop tomorrow and Nintendo isnt getting anymore money from me till Zelda and Rev.

I'm washing my hands of anything portable from Nintendo from this point on. Whats the point of buying something when its just going to change every year. I'm just pissing money away on something that should have happened the first time.

[kill3r7]

Looks sweet but I think I'll wait for a true redesign. Until then I'll stick with my original DS.

[Arkay Firestar]

I dunno dude... my afterburner certainly doesn't kill my battery life... just sayin'.

Front lighting is a terrible, terrible mistake. IMO.

[PawnTakesKing]

Well, there goes another $150 of my hard-earned cash.

[Strell]

I knew Nintendo was going to fucking do this. I hate it. They are doing the same Apple is doing with all their ipods and crap and I'm sick of it. Stay to one THING! My DS goes to Gamestop tomorrow and Nintendo isnt getting anymore money from me till Zelda and Rev.

I'm washing my hands of anything portable from Nintendo from this point on. Whats the point of buying something when its just going to change every year. I'm just pissing money away on something that should have happened the first time.

I agree! I like my log cabin, buffalo nickels, and my Ford model T! I get two rods to the hogshead of octane distillate, and that's the way I likes it!

[Dr Mario Kart]

I knew Nintendo was going to fucking do this. I hate it. They are doing the same Apple is doing with all their ipods and crap and I'm sick of it. Stay to one THING! My DS goes to Gamestop tomorrow and Nintendo isnt getting anymore money from me till Zelda and Rev.

I'm washing my hands of anything portable from Nintendo from this point on. Whats the point of buying something when its just going to change every year. I'm just pissing money away on something that should have happened the first time.

Thats a little harsh, its not like any functionality has changed at all. It shouldnt prevent you from enjoying your DS and its current and future library.

Its not something that wouldve or shouldve happened the first time, because it wasnt cost effective or AS practical a year ago. Also it wouldve been riskier overall since it was an unproven concept.

[Sk8erlink7]

This is very good news, especially since I now have time to save up for this. I can wait to get a new DS (if you didn't know, mine broke not too long ago) now that this redesign has been announced. I hope it will launch with a variety of colors, but if it's just white or silver, I can live with it.

[botticus]

Okay, everyone who is getting upset about this just needs to chill. If you didn't like the DS how it was designed currently, why did you buy it, assuming that this redesign makes such a horrible difference?

And if you're happy with your DS, why would you bother getting a redesigned one, unless you have the money and are carefree enough to buy it? Does it really matter if one of your friends has a different DS than you? I hope not.

You have to realize that any of the redesigns Nintendo does are probably as a result of polling and whatnot. And you can't do that without having a product in the hands of the public. So what was released a year ago was what their initial studies showed was the best design. A year later after millions of people have used it, they get a much broader spectrum of feedback, and from that, they tweak the design and sell it. Why is this something to get mad about? They didn't sit there two years ago and say "You know, I really think the mic should go in the center of the unit, but let's put it on the side so that we can move it later where it makes more sense and get people to buy a new handheld."

[whoknows]

If I actually cared enough about the DS to own more than one game I might care.

[WhipSmartBanky]

Planned obsolescence. Nintendo probably started working on this as soon as the DS proper was sent to manufacturing.

[io]

If I actually cared enough about the DS to own more than one game I might care.

Wow, it is pretty much all I play nowadays - PSP, PS2 and GC sit idle...

[Strell]

Nintendo just can't fucking win. There's always a constant stream of whiners bitching about something.

[whoknows]

Nintendo just can't fucking win. There's always a constant stream of whiners bitching about something.

Same thing could be said about Sony and Microsoft ;)

[Strell]

Same thing could be said about Sony and Microsoft ;)

Faulty units are not the same as people whining about a system both before AND after a design, or fucking up backwards compatability, or underutilizing an HD addon.....but point taken nonetheless.

[willardhaven]

I'm happy about this, I wanted to hold off until they came out with a color or design I liked.

I would love this one in black or green. I'll take white though.

[LancerEvoX]

I"m happy about the redesign. At first I was pretty angry but, now I get to own both DS'es. Now I have something to wi-fi against in metrioid prime hunters.

[Kaijufan]

If they release it in black I'll buy one.

[Demontooth]

I knew Nintendo was going to fucking do this. I hate it. They are doing the same Apple is doing with all their ipods and crap and I'm sick of it. Stay to one THING! My DS goes to Gamestop tomorrow and Nintendo isnt getting anymore money from me till Zelda and Rev.

I'm washing my hands of anything portable from Nintendo from this point on. Whats the point of buying something when its just going to change every year. I'm just pissing money away on something that should have happened the first time.

You, my friend, have issues.

[whoknows]

I knew Nintendo was going to fucking do this. I hate it. They are doing the same Apple is doing with all their ipods and crap and I'm sick of it. Stay to one THING! My DS goes to Gamestop tomorrow and Nintendo isnt getting anymore money from me till Zelda and Rev.

I'm washing my hands of anything portable from Nintendo from this point on. Whats the point of buying something when its just going to change every year. I'm just pissing money away on something that should have happened the first time.

Thats the truth. I have already decided not to get it, and seeing as my only reason for a DS is RE: DS I plan to sell it when I'm finished with that game....unless another RE game comes out on it :D

[Reality's Fringe]

I can't believe you bought a $100+ piece of hardware just to play one game, a port no less...You'd think the PSP would be fine for that *rimshot*

[whoknows]

I can't believe you bought a $100+ piece of hardware just to play one game, a port no less...You'd think the PSP would be fine for that *rimshot*

I have a friend that also got it for the same reason. RE co-op and multiplayer looks to be pretty fun.

And at least PSP ports are decent unlike *cough*king kong*cough* *cough*splinter cell*cough*

[Reality's Fringe]

I have a friend that also got it for the same reason. RE co-op and multiplayer looks to be pretty fun.

And at least PSP ports are decent unlike *cough*king kong*cough* *cough*splinter cell*cough*

I agree with you there! Alas, I have to wonder what douche would play King Kong or Splinter Cell on a handheld? I mean, come on! Also, PSP ports are of a bunch of real shitty games. It's the reason I haven't bought one yet. If they fix that nub crap and put out something to hold my attention, I'll buy her. No doubts.

[Strell]

I have a friend that also got it for the same reason. RE co-op and multiplayer looks to be pretty fun.

And at least PSP ports are decent unlike *cough*king kong*cough* *cough*splinter cell*cough*

If you are buying the DS to play ports, you really have no goddamn clue.

[DocRamon]

Whats the point of buying something when its just going to change every year.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/John-madden.jpg
"Did someone call?"



seriously though... i'm not impressed.

it looks like a makeup compact and the name sounds like a diet soft drink.

they didn't change enough to make getting one worthwhile. stuff like this only looks bad to the customer, and gets some of the results we're seeing here... too many people, loyal nintendo fans, are pissed about it. they've opened the system up to a whole new market while shitting on the millions that picked one up already. doesn't seem smart to me.

i don't understand redesigning a system that's just starting to catch on. the thing is already selling well... leave it alone. redesign a system that's on it's last legs. this would have been a great time for a gamecube redesign. not so much for the DS.

[Kirra]

I've been hogging my bf's DS just to play Animal Crossing... I have to admit, the original DS makes my hands cramp after a while (my hands are small =]). I've been looking forward to this redesign for a while. I'm very happy that its smaller and looks nicer.

I really don't mind the price, considering I paid $140 for a JPN imported Famicom Micro. (I just had to get one. Not to mention again.. that my hands are small, oh and jean pockets for girls are.. very small. very. but perfect for the micro!)

Also, I was on Play-Asia (they're already taking preorders for $170 usd ouch.) and I saw their list of features... one of which said: "Game stored on rewriteable media up to 1GB." Is this new? Possibility for an online browsing cache..? 1GB seems like a lot.. unless its actually 1Gb (128MB).

link: http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-9h-49-en-70-17a2.html (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-9h-49-en-70-17a2.html%5D)

[whoknows]

I agree with you there! Alas, I have to wonder what douche would play King Kong or Splinter Cell on a handheld? I mean, come on! Also, PSP ports are of a bunch of real shitty games. It's the reason I haven't bought one yet. If they fix that nub crap and put out something to hold my attention, I'll buy her. No doubts.

The ports seem pretty decent to me. Midnight Club has a lot of loading, but is completley playable and very close to console version.

Xmen Legends 2 is simply better than the console versions!

But yeah, I'm not really into the PSP for ports (not that there is too much left afterwards) but I did enjoy Infected and well, Mercury to an extent. I am really anticipating Daxter though.

As for DS games, yes there are a lot of original games on it, but original doesnt always mean good!

And I just get too excited over RE games. I mean, the co-op is going to be very very fun. As soon as I let my friend know that it was a portable RE with co-op he ran out like a madman to get a DS and pre-order RE: DS, so when that comes out on the 8th, much fun will ensue.
If you are buying the DS to play ports, you really have no goddamn clue.
I have played other games on it (Trauma Center, Advance Wars, and Sonic Rush)

All of those I have borrowed and only really liked Advance Wars. Sonic Rush was fun, but too short.

Trauma Center got a little...repetitive (IMO of course) so I only made it around halfway through that.

[evilmax17]

they didn't change enough to make getting one worthwhile. stuff like this only looks bad to the customer, and gets some of the results we're seeing here... too many people, loyal nintendo fans, are pissed about it. they've opened the system up to a whole new market while shitting on the millions that picked one up already. doesn't seem smart to me.
Why should people who already have a DS be pissed? The DS lite contains all of the base functionality of the original, no more no less. There won't be any DS-lite specific games (or at least there shouldn't be), so this should have no effect at all on the happy DS owner.

This fixes the known problems, and opens the DS up to a whole new market. Existing DS owners aren't left out in the cold, and potential DS buyers who were on the fence just might be pushed into buying one.

It's win-win.

[DocRamon]

Why should people who already have a DS be pissed? The DS lite contains all of the base functionality of the original, no more no less. There won't be any DS-lite specific games (or at least there shouldn't be), so this should have no effect at all on the happy DS owner.

This fixes the known problems, and opens the DS up to a whole new market. Existing DS owners aren't left out in the cold, and potential DS buyers who were on the fence just might be pushed into buying one.

It's win-win.

your "no more no less" and "fix the known problems" thing contradicts itself. if there's problems that need to be fixed, then the people who aren't getting them fixed (those with the original model) have every reason to be pissed. they're left with an inferior model.

and yes, the base functionality is the same. but it's human nature to want the new shiny one. people that just got a DS, and even some that have had one since launch, i think have every reason to be upset that a new version is coming out so early on.

[Eggplant_Wizard]

The NES and SNES were released in multiple iterations in the US? I've never seen anything different. Or are we referring to Japanese redesigns?

There were two NES and two SNES models in the US.

[Eggplant_Wizard]

DS Lite Set For America

"Following the earlier announcement of the new "DS Lite" revision to the DS hardware, Nintendo's Japanese parent has cleared up a few issues.

Although the product was announced in Japan, with no details given for international market, DS Lite will indeed be released in Europe and America. The company hasn't given a specific release date, only stating that the western markets can expect a release following Spring. This seems to suggest that a simultaneous release with the Japanese version (set for 3/2) is out.

There were also some questions about the fate of the current DS model. In Japan, Nintendo will continue to produce and sell the original model. The price of the original model will remain at its current 15,000 yen, 1,800 yen less than the 16,800 yen new model.

The DS Lite will be initially released to Japan in three colors, Nintendo reveals. In addition to the white color shown in the first pictures of the system, the company will release two yet unannounced colors.

Nintendo expects the DS to continue to perform well this year, both in old and new forms. Referring to the Japanese market, company president Satoru Iwata said to the Japanese press, "Taken as a whole with the current version, we're aiming at total domestic sales of 10,000,000 units not too late in the year." At the end of 2005, the DS had sold 5.7 million units in Japan.

We expect Nintendo's US division to provide further details on the US release of DS Lite in the not-so-distant future. Keep checking back here at IGNDS."

http://ds.ign.com/articles/683/683728p1.html

[Strell]

your "no more no less" and "fix the known problems" thing contradicts itself. if there's problems that need to be fixed, then the people who aren't getting them fixed (those with the original model) have every reason to be pissed. they're left with an inferior model.


The changes are largely cosmetic. Smaller. Sleeker. A slight rearranging to some buttons. A new hinge. All cosmetic.

The only true change that might be considered honestly "better" in terms of functionality is the brighter screen, and even that is not something that is needed versus wanted.

The SP and the Lite are in vastly different arenas and shouldn't be compared. I realize you didn't do this, but everyone is saying things like "the SP came out 2 years later, this comes 1 year later, wtf." The SP's inclusion of lighted screens was far more "needed" than what the Lite does - just looks nicer.

Barring all of that, if what you say is true - people just want the shinies - then you are admitting the Lite is nothing more than a shinies DS. If that is the case, there is no "inferior" model - there's a shiny one and a non-shiny one.

Finally, as far as "well everyone with a DS now got screwed" comment, that is laughable. We get games now. We can play them now. Now. Did I mention, we can play them now? Because I can play them now. I don't have to wait like the people waiting a month or more for the Lite. I can play them now. Like today. Like now.

And guess what - I'll take my launch DS and my copy of Phoenix Wright and be FAR happier than someone shelling out for a copy on eBay because they weren't paying attention because they were waiting for the Lite. That alone is more than worth it.

People need to learn the difference between normal marketplace procedures versus steps in technology.

[usickenme]

What is the big deal about hating on the redesign. It is a fact of life with technology today. Phones, PDAs, Mp3 players, laptops, etc. all get redesigns frequently. Yet only Nintendo is the bad guy. Please.

For example, in the DS's lifespan;

Apple has

Revised the high capacity iPod twice
Revised the mini-once, discontinued it and replaced it with the Nano
Revised the iMac twice

Creative has

Revised the Zen Micro 3X
Revised the Zen 3-4X.



When a company takes the opportunity to a.) address their customers complaints b.) make a product better c.) make a product more stylish, I don't have a problem. Hell without redesign, we'd all still be playing the Gameboy brick. Evolution is good (even if it isn't alway cheap.) and all of our DSes will work after the new one is out.

[Quigoni]

There's a shell of the Lite floating around NOA somewhere. I wants me pictures of that to see what it looks like instead of the horrible render NCL put up.

Anyway I think it is kinda crappy they did introduce this at the time they did. Seems somewhat pre-mature imo. I don't think I would've minded if it was a year or so from now that they showed it off, but the DS is a money printer right now so I guess they're striking while the iron is hot.

[DocRamon]

The changes are largely cosmetic. Smaller. Sleeker. A slight rearranging to some buttons. A new hinge. All cosmetic.

Barring all of that, if what you say is true - people just want the shinies - then you are admitting the Lite is nothing more than a shinies DS. If that is the case, there is no "inferior" model - there's a shiny one and a non-shiny one.

i understand that the changes are cosmetic. hence me saying "they didn't change enough to make getting one worthwhile." but it's like you're saying that people who currently own a DS shouldn't want this new one because it's more or less the same thing. that's like saying that people shouldn't buy newer TV sets... it's all the same picture, in the end.

Finally, as far as "well everyone with a DS now got screwed" comment, that is laughable. We get games now. We can play them now. Now. Did I mention, we can play them now? Because I can play them now. I don't have to wait like the people waiting a month or more for the Lite. I can play them now. Like today. Like now.

And guess what - I'll take my launch DS and my copy of Phoenix Wright and be FAR happier than someone shelling out for a copy on eBay because they weren't paying attention because they were waiting for the Lite. That alone is more than worth it.

first off, you don't need to be an ass. i've been through that with you before, if i'm not mistaken and guess what... i still don't appreciate it.

second, do you really have no understanding for others? i'm glad you don't feel screwed, but i can see why some people would. can you really not?

[wildnuts02]

Strell: anyway you can change your Avatar? I hate it so much; in fact i makes me want to stay out of the topic completely. Am I the only one? pleeeeaze strell - love you otherwise...

[racthamp]

hopefully this will tell Sony to release some more color for PSP stateside also.. I want cooler color PSP..sony bring it on.. oh the new DS is nice.. I'll definitely get it sometime along the line.. but i'll keep my old DS for now.. when the bigger improvement arrive i can water-down my DS to family member i guess :)

[Strell]

Wildnuts: :( But I <3s it. So does RF. Back me up RF. :( I do think it is amusingly annoying, however. But that adds to my enjoyment!

DocR: Aye, you have, which is why I sent that PM you never responded to. Anyway.

First off, saying "it is more or less the same thing" negates any argument about fixing problems or limitations. Just like you said evilmax can't be both ways, neither can you.

Second, buying a new TV for the hell of it? Maybe we're seeing a connection here. But it only holds if you are buying, say, the same old tube tv, same size screen, but maybe it has a prettier paint job. That's really the only way the analogy holds. Unless you've got it on a shelf that is about to break, so you need a 33% lighter model.

The second you change anything worthwhile - bigger screen, SD->HD, more inputs, upscaling, etc - then we're talking entirely different reasons for an upgrade. Like if this Lite had an analog stick. That would segment the market, which to me seems more worthwhile to be pissed off about.

And while I can understand why people think they are screwed, I think their justification/validation/whatever is weak at best. Very weak. You accept the tradeoff when you buy it of being able to play a game now versus the possibility of a revision later on. I can't wait for the PSP SP - better analog, better battery life, etc. Would people have a right to be upset then? Sure, but again, that's the tradeoff. Like getting a $500 video card that, in 2 months, will be $300.

Again, there is a difference between legitimate hardware revision versus cosmetic upgrades. GBA->SP? Pretty valid - clamshell + lightest screen = FTW. But DS -> Lite? Hardly. Smaller and lighter.

I have a launch DS. Within a few months it was 20 bucks cheaper AND there were deals with free games and/or accessories. Not to mention a lot of the games I've been getting on launch date or close to it - at least a $5 reduction within a month. Granted, I know software is not the same as hardware, but it's the tradeoff issue more simply illustrated. But again, I got Phoenix Wright for 30 sealed, where as people now are jumping on the bandwagon and complaining about how it's OOP.

The thing about people is that they want to phrase it in such a way that they are losing out, no matter what the outcome. If you get the first DS, you are screwed because the Lite is sexier. If you get the Lite, you miss out on games.

In both instances you get SOMETHING, and the introduction of the other DOES NOT NEGATE the previous incarnation. It's not like the original DS is going to die the second the Lite comes out, and it's not like the DS overshadows the Lite (what a terrible unintended pun). Don't think of it as LOSING something. Think of it as a compliment, if anything.

Finally, I think the only people with legimiate reasons to complain are those who got a DS within, say, the last month or so. There should be a grace period most definitely. But again, if I concede that, then my argument falls apart entirely. So I can't quite give myself entirely to that idea.

[AdamInPlaidum]

first off, you don't need to be an ass. i've been through that with you before, if i'm not mistaken and guess what... i still don't appreciate it.

second, do you really have no understanding for others? i'm glad you don't feel screwed, but i can see why some people would. can you really not?

Chill out, dude. All he did was state a truth - that he can play DS games now, has been able to for more than a year now, and will continue to be able to once the redesign comes out.

Personally, I do NOT see why anyone could feel screwed. Nintendo is not your friend. Nintendo did not blow you off for a hot girl. Nintendo did not invite you to a birthday party at Chuck E. Cheese's but leave you out of the sleep-over. Nintendo did not buy you socks for Christmas.

Nintendo DID come out with a portable gaming system that sold like gangbusters and made them a lot of money. A year later, they reviewed complaints from those that bought a DS, as well as those that "would buy a DS, but...", and redesigned it accordingly, likely in the hopes that they would make even more money.

Even more of my money. :wall:

[SpottedNigel]

Change happens. Get over it. Your only screwed if you don't buy the system at all. This is a slight upgrade in form, but not a change in function.

That's the short version, I believe :)

[Ecofreak]

second, do you really have no understanding for others? i'm glad you don't feel screwed, but i can see why some people would. can you really not?

Based on a probably poll on Kotaku.com, of the 740 votes so far of people who have bought a DS, 75% said that they are "delighted" by the new version. So, based on this poll, the overwhelming majority feel positively towards the change.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ds/ds-lite-poll-yay-or-nay-150906.php

As many people have said before, updates are just a way of life in the electronic's world. It's a calculated risk you always take - so you either take it or hold out indefinitely.

[Vegan]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/Vegan/dsprintsmoney.jpg

But seriously, I'm getting one.

[wildnuts02]

As many people have said before, updates are just a way of life in the electronic's world. It's a calculated risk you always take - so you either take it or hold out indefinitely.

this is right. an upgrade isn't risk free. nintendo always takes the risk that no one will purchase the "upgrade" and they could lose a ton of money on redesign and production.

[Vinny]

To all the people who're complaining about the redesign... it happens with almost everything. Sony did it, Apple did it, Creative, Rio, and almost any electronics manufacturer you can think have redesigned an existing product into a new one.

If you don't like it, don't buy it.:)

[DocRamon]

For the record, I really don't give a damn about the Lite. I think the thing looks like shit and I'm not really that interested. But I DO feel for those who are upset about it. Unlike what seems to be most people on here, I'm compassionate towards the feelings of others, and am able to put myself in their shoes.

Seems that everyone else has a "I'm okay with it, so F everyone else" attitude. Nice.



Now, Strell... i'm gonna be honest, arguing with you has lost my interest so i only read about half of your post. I thought, from prior PM conversations, that you were a decent guy. I also thought the conversation ended, hence the no response. I'll respond now if you're that desperate for a friend. In fact, looking back at your PM, you ARE decent. Why the "i'm so bad, isn't it cool?" show when everyone else can read?

But regardless... you're clearly, from all my experience with you, the kind of person who can't accept the opinion of others. much like my wife, you just want to hear that you're right and i'm wrong. and, since in the end, this whole topic isn't that important... i'll let you have it...

[p00p]

For the record, I really don't give a damn about the Lite. I think the thing looks like shit and I'm not really that interested. But I DO feel for those who are upset about it. Unlike what seems to be most people on here, I'm compassionate towards the feelings of others, and am able to put myself in their shoes.

Seems that everyone else has a "I'm okay with it, so F everyone else" attitude. Nice.



Now, Strell... i'm gonna be honest, arguing with you has lost my interest so i only read about half of your post. I thought, from prior PM conversations, that you were a decent guy. I also thought the conversation ended, hence the no response. I'll respond now if you're that desperate for a friend. In fact, looking back at your PM, you ARE decent. Why the "i'm so bad, isn't it cool?" show when everyone else can read?

But regardless... you're clearly, from all my experience with you, the kind of person who can't accept the opinion of others. much like my wife, you just want to hear that you're right and i'm wrong. and, since in the end, this whole topic isn't that important... i'll let you have it...

Nah, Strell's not mean, not everyone here has a "F the world" attitude.....you're just overreacting.
The redesign is harmless. I can see being upset if you recently purchased it, but only to an extent.
You know how many times I have bought a DVD, only to see a special edition announced in the next week? I realize DVDs cost substantially less, but if you added up all the times it has happened to me, it would probably equal the cost of a DS.
Its been said before, the redesign was not made for the current owners, its made for those still on the fence....basically the people who haven't even heard this announcement yet. If Nintendo can thus make additional profits off of people who already currently own a DS, thats just gravy. As we all know, software is where the money is. I garauntee a NEW DS owner is more valuable to Nintendo than an OLD DS owner that just upgrading. The OLD DS owner will still buy the same games that he/she has planned on buying. If someone buys the Lite because they like the new style, they will now become a potential buyer of the software that would have otherwise sat unsold. That's what Nintendo wants. They are not doing this to rub it in the current customer's faces.
I own the original, and I for one am thrilled about a new design. I still haven't decided if I will buy one, as I will wait for some opinions first (and perhaps a bundle deal), but I look forward to its release nonetheless.

[doctorfaustus]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/Vegan/dsprintsmoney.jpg

But seriously, I'm getting one.

Nice.

My 2 cents:
I have launch DS. Love it.

When the DS lite comes out, I will buy it.

[Graystone]

The square corners are not impressing me. It looks like it would hurt to play after a long time.
I like the looks though.

[Eggplant_Wizard]

http://www.dsrevolution.com/images/im/29682dsvslite.jpg

[Dr Mario Kart]

yea, they shouldve really rounded on the corners like a SNES CONTROLLER.

[bboynujen]

got my ds in november but don't mind picking this one up as well, i only wanted a brighter screen...just wish a black version will be available...

[Ecofreak]

For the record, I really don't give a damn about the Lite. I think the thing looks like shit and I'm not really that interested. But I DO feel for those who are upset about it. Unlike what seems to be most people on here, I'm compassionate towards the feelings of others, and am able to put myself in their shoes.

Seems that everyone else has a "I'm okay with it, so F everyone else" attitude. Nice.


What are you talking about? Those who support the design arn't saying, "Har har! Nintendo has 'screwed' over those who bought a DS already. Losers!" They get no pleasure from such a situation - no one wants to spend more money unless they think it's really necessary, especially on these boards.

So for those who feel "cheated", they'll get over it once the news settles down - like most people and technology.

Besides, few decision can make 100% of the people happy - espcially when it deals w/ consumer goods. And what are those people who feel disappointed going to do? Not buy any more DS games? Then they're just hurting themselves since they've already paid for their handheld.

[Strell]

I think it is amusing when someone asks you for an opinion, you give it, and they say something like "yawn zzz I got bored halfway thru zzz n00b." For the record, it is not an "f the world" mentality when I'm defending Nintendo and their decisions, so much as people would like to think that. "You're alligned with a money hungry corportation! You're supporting THE MAN!" Please. Try a respectable argument. You're so hellbent on calling me an asshole that you don't read half the words I write.

I also find it amusing that my opinion is somehow radically different than a lot of others, especially when there's obvious factions thinking one way, with requisite opposite opinions. So not sure why I'm getting the attention from certain sources.

And I'm not "desperate for a friend." I think the last thing I use CAG for is social interaction. You can take that bs into the off topic forum and vent there, I'm sure there's a thread dedicated to that sort of thing.

[Eggplant_Wizard]

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/images/dscompare.jpg

[Reality's Fringe]

Wildnuts: :( But I <3s it. So does RF. Back me up RF. :(

I hearts it too! Everyone will heart it or die.

[Arkay Firestar]

Where's the nintendo logo on it?

[Prepster]

Sweet, will be picking this DS up, since its finally starting to look a little better. Still ugly, but getting better..

[javeryh]

After looking at the side-by-side comparison... there is no comparison! I'm sold. It's about time I've bought a DS...

[munch]

After looking at the side-by-side comparison... there is no comparison! I'm sold. It's about time I've bought a DS...

i'm in too. I've wanted a DS for so long. Now is the time.

[Msut77]

Bah I just rebought a DS.

[Vegan]

I'm surprised that no size comparison mock-ups so far have showed off the thickness comparison.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Where's the nintendo logo on it?

On the lid. The logo is the DS "two squares" thing.

[SpazX]

I dunno, I just bought a DS like a month ago and somehow I didn't cry when I saw that they're planning to release a new design in probably 5 or 6 months in the US. I paid $140 shipped for a Mario Kart bundle; I might be a little pissed if it came out and cost less, but why would I be pissed that I didn't wait longer so I could pay more for something that plays the same games and looks different? I don't think I'll be losing any sleep.

[Ecofreak]

I dunno, I just bought a DS like a month ago and somehow I didn't cry when I saw that they're planning to release a new design in probably 5 or 6 months in the US. I paid $140 shipped for a Mario Kart bundle; I might be a little pissed if it came out and cost less, but why would I be pissed that I didn't wait longer so I could pay more for something that plays the same games and looks different? I don't think I'll be losing any sleep.

Well said, SpazX.

[crazytalkx]

woooooooo so glad I didn't buy a DS last week, just going to wait for this new DS, love my current one but it is too freakin' big to carry around in my jeans.

[ZildjianKX]

It's going to be a long time before this hits the US, so don't feel bad if you just bought one.

In an IGN article, they said it would come out in the US and Europe after the spring Japanese launch, which implies summer, which means June 21st at the earliest... which is 5 months away.

I don't own a DS yet since I hated the original design... if they released the DS Lite today I'd buy it and spend the next 5 months buying games, but it's their loss. I'll still buy it when it hits the US though (don't feel like importing, more expensive and no warranty).

[botticus]

I don't own a DS yet since I hated the original design... if they released the DS Lite today I'd buy it and spend the next 5 months buying games, but it's their loss. I'll still buy it when it hits the US though (don't feel like importing, more expensive and no warranty).
Honestly its more your loss at this point, unless you have decent luck finding all these games in 6-8 months.

[GizmoGC]

I wish they would announce the other 2 colors so I can pre-order my 2 of them! I really don't want white! PLEASE let there be a Black or Grey

[SMMM]

goth lol

[wildnuts02]

i've been waiting for this ds since the ds came out; the psp is in major trouble

[Arkay Firestar]

It's going to be a long time before this hits the US, so don't feel bad if you just bought one.

In an IGN article, they said it would come out in the US and Europe after the spring Japanese launch, which implies summer, which means June 21st at the earliest... which is 5 months away.

I don't own a DS yet since I hated the original design... if they released the DS Lite today I'd buy it and spend the next 5 months buying games, but it's their loss. I'll still buy it when it hits the US though (don't feel like importing, more expensive and no warranty).

Buy 3rd party games you want now then. In 4 months Castlevania, Trauma Center, and others may be bye-bye (castlevania is practically already there...)

[Aleryn]

Any one else notice how creepily similar the resdesign is in general appearence to a lot of the old Game&Watches? Creepy, but also very cool =)

Urrrgh, WANT ONE NOW! NINTENDO, SIMULTANEOUS WORLDWIDE RELEASE DAMMIT!

[RelentlessRolento]

I'm both pissed and happy... I am glad they redisgned the DS and moved the micraphone to a more appropriate place as well as brightned the screens... I'm pissed now that I will probably have to sell my old DS online before this comes out... at least a week or two bfore then... here I come ebay...


are the screens still the same size??? that's my only fear...

[2poor]

I'm both pissed and happy... I am glad they redisgned the DS and moved the micraphone to a more appropriate place as well as brightned the screens... I'm pissed now that I will probably have to sell my old DS online before this comes out... at least a week or two bfore then... here I come ebay...


are the screens still the same size??? that's my only fear...

from what ive read the screens are the same size and the chasis is the only thing thats been made smaller.

[RelentlessRolento]

from what ive read the screens are the same size and the chasis is the only thing thats been made smaller.


awsome... I guess I'll be setting aside money for this cute baby. FOr some reason this is going to probably do even better with girls than the regular DS already has.

[AdamInPlaidum]

For the record, I really don't give a damn about the Lite. I think the thing looks like shit and I'm not really that interested. But I DO feel for those who are upset about it. Unlike what seems to be most people on here, I'm compassionate towards the feelings of others, and am able to put myself in their shoes.

Seems that everyone else has a "I'm okay with it, so F everyone else" attitude. Nice.

Now, Strell... i'm gonna be honest, arguing with you has lost my interest so i only read about half of your post. I thought, from prior PM conversations, that you were a decent guy. I also thought the conversation ended, hence the no response. I'll respond now if you're that desperate for a friend. In fact, looking back at your PM, you ARE decent. Why the "i'm so bad, isn't it cool?" show when everyone else can read?

But regardless... you're clearly, from all my experience with you, the kind of person who can't accept the opinion of others. much like my wife, you just want to hear that you're right and i'm wrong. and, since in the end, this whole topic isn't that important... i'll let you have it...

For the record, people who pretend to be "innocent among sinners" bother the shit out of me, especially when they are as rude as you are. "Letting someone win" to make yourself look good is a cheap tactic, not unlike standing on the very edge in Super Smash Bros. so someone can't get back. The fact that you look at a discussion between two people as a "win-lose situation" is pretty telling in and of itself. Don't be such a tool.

[DrunkTigerWoods]

Buy 3rd party games you want now then. In 4 months Castlevania, Trauma Center, and others may be bye-bye (castlevania is practically already there...)
yea, this tends to happen. thats why I went and scooped up castlevania yesterday. last copy at bestbuy($25 w/ coupon).

[Kirra]

I thought they would bring the two screens closer to each other.. cause its kinda hard to look both up and down.

[daroga]

I thought they would bring the two screens closer to each other.. cause its kinda hard to look both up and down.
I don't think they really could since some games (Metroid Prime Pinball, Sonic Rush) already take into account the distance between the screens.

[Mr. Anderson]

Glad I waited to buy a DS, but March 2nd for an import? The wait is going to kill me. =P

[Lobsterjohnson]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/Vegan/dsprintsmoney.jpg


I laughed pretty hard at that.

I currently own & love my DS though I wish it was smaller. Thus I'll be buying a Lite. Hopefully they launch in multiple colors in the U.S. too.

[rywateska]

I bought a 6 month guarantee with EBgames when I bought mine in late November. It should last until late May. Does anyone know how I should go about using my guarantee to get credit or a new DS when that time rolls around?

[CaoPi]

DS lite[I]? for lighter or new bright screen?

[Lobsterjohnson]

DS lite[I]? for lighter or new bright screen?
20% lighter.

[p00p]

....and new bright screen.

[Concealed Identity]

i couldn't be assed to read through 13 pages, but i think i'm gonna end up buying this next month...i don't have a ds yet and really want to play the new advance wars game...


access to this is still a small price to pay for not having access to mexican food...you can import a ds but not shrimp burritos :cry:

[Ecofreak]

....and new bright screen.

...w/ 4 levels of brightness.

[Admiral Ackbar]

I hope Eb has something like, Trade in a game and old DS to get the DS Lite. By then, I'll be done with Lunar Legend.

I hope they release it in the pearl white like they did the SP at CC.

[Concealed Identity]

haha i just read this thread up to page 9...that's as far as i could get

[Vegan]

I hope Eb has something like, Trade in a game and old DS to get the DS Lite. By then, I'll be done with Lunar Legend.

I hope they release it in the pearl white like they did the SP at CC.

They might do something like that, but it wouldn't be just one game. Remember how crappy typical trade-in value is.

[Strell]

They might do something like that, but it wouldn't be just one game. Remember how crappy typical trade-in value is.

Probably a DS + 5 other games would net you about 75 bucks worth of trade-in value. A real shame, really.

On the upside, those looking for Phoenix Wright might be able to snatch one if someone is somehow smart enough to want the Lite, but dumb enough to not realize what PW is worth.

[WebScud]

http://www.youtube.com/w/DS-Lite-CG?v=VAlESOK37n8&feature=Views&page=2&t=t&f=b

Video of the DS Lite! Take it with a grain of salt though, NOJ said that those screen shots were just mock-ups, so this could be fake/not the final product. I personally hate the way that the tocuh screen is raised.

[munch]

So there still hasn't been an announcement of if/when the DS lite is coming over here?