Cop tells unarmed airman to get up, airman gets up, cop shoots him

[alonzomourning23]

CHINO – A deputy appears in a home video to order a man to his feet, then shoot him as he tries to stand. The man, an Air Force security officer just back from Iraq, was hospitalized Tuesday with wounds to his chest, ribs and leg, relatives said.

The FBI was investigating possible civil rights violations in the shooting, said Thom Mrozek, spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office in Los Angeles. The San Bernardino County district attorney's office also assigned investigators to the case, a Sheriff's Department spokeswoman said.

Senior Airman Elio Carrion, 21, was a passenger in a Corvette that led a deputy on a short, 100 mph chase, authorities said. Carrion, airlifted to Arrowhead Regional Medical Center in Colton, was in good condition, hospital officials said.


Amateur photographer Jose Luis Valdez told The Associated Press that he shot the video after the car crashed into a wall in front of his home Sunday night. KTLA-TV aired the videotape early Tuesday, then distributed it later in the day.

In the 40-second video, Carrion appears to be on the ground telling the deputy he was in the military and was unarmed.

After the shooting, Carrion asks the deputy, “Why did you shoot me if you told me to stand up?” Valdez said in a telephone interview conducted in Spanish. That exchange cannot be heard on the video.

The FBI was asked to do a forensic analysis of the tape, sheriff's department spokeswoman Cindy Beavers said, adding the audio is unclear at times and it's difficult to determine who was speaking.

“I think it's critical this videotape is reviewed closely. ... We want to know the exact dialogue among the parties,” Beavers said. “It would be unfair for us to make any kind of judgment now without knowing the facts.”

Law enforcement agencies generally allow officers to use deadly force when they believe it's necessary to prevent death or serious injury to themselves or others, said Tom Griffith, a professor at the University of Southern California Law School who specializes in criminal law. Actions such as fleeing from police are not by themselves justification for using deadly force, said Griffith, who had not seen the videotape.

“One thing we know for sure: a person's wrongful actions ... normally don't justify the use of deadly force,” he said.

The deputy, whose name has not been released, was placed on paid administrative leave, which is routine procedure after officer-involved shootings.

A woman who answered the telephone at the Carrion family home in Montclair said the airman's parents were headed to the hospital and nobody at the residence wanted to talk. Nobody answered the door later in the day.

The incident began when the deputy saw the Corvette speeding at 100 mph through a residential neighborhood, Beavers said. Following a chase that she said lasted about five minutes, the car skidded and slammed into a block wall in a middle-class neighborhood of large, single-story homes with tile roofs.

The dark and grainy videotape shows Carrion on the ground next to his car, talking to a silhouetted officer who is pointing a gun at him. Carrion is supporting himself on one arm and his face is brightly lit by the officer's flashlight.

There is some hard-to-hear conversation back and forth, but Carrion appears to be trying to reassure the officer, telling him he is unarmed and in the military. He repeatedly says, “I'm on your side” and adds “we mean you no harm.”

At one point, a voice is heard saying several times, “Get up.”

Carrion says, “I'm gonna get up.” As he rises, the deputy fires at least four shots from close range, and Carrion collapses, crying out in pain.

“Shots fired! Shots fired!” someone shouts.

Witness Joanne Scholten said she saw the deputy yelling obscenities at the airman and ordering him to get out of the car. Shots rang out after he told the man to get up, she said.

“It seemed he lost his cool,” Scholten said of the deputy. “We were confused about why (he) did that.”

No charges have been filed against Carrion. Luis Fernando Escobedo, 21, identified by authorities as the driver of the Corvette, was arrested for investigation of felony evading and was being held at the West Valley Detention Center in Rancho Cucamonga, Beavers said.

Carrion's 19-year-old wife, Mariela, told reporters her husband came out of surgery Monday and said: “They shot me for no reason.”

She said Carrion and Escobedo were at a party at the home of Carrion's parents when they left to go to the store. Carrion was supposed to have returned Wednesday to his unit, the 2nd Security Forces Squadron, at Barksdale Air Force Base in Shreveport, La.
Air Force spokesman Lt. Frank Hartnett said Carrion worked as a security officer at the base. Carrion joined the Air Force in January 2003 and recently returned from a six-month tour in Iraq, Hartnett said.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060131-1742-ca-airmanshooting.html

[Danro]

Im sure they had fun speeding and trying to avoid the cops. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

[Scorch]

Im sure they had fun speeding and trying to avoid the cops. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

Cop: "I thought he was reaching for something!"
Carrion: "I was just trying to get up like you told me to!"
Cop: "I'm sorry, I thought you were reaching for something."
*Police chief slaps cop on the wrist and puts him on ticket patrol*

[camoor]

Cop: "I thought he was reaching for something!"
Carrion: "I was just trying to get up like you told me to!"
Cop: "I'm sorry, I thought you were reaching for something."
*Police chief slaps cop on the wrist and puts him on ticket patrol*

Don't forget the million-dollar settlement that taxpayers have to pay out for lousy policing!

[BSman]

well someone's out of a job after screwing up that badly

[battleroyal33]

You run, You get the gun.. No pity for the victim but on the same hand the cop went crazy and started firing off rounds, Its a situation were no one wins when you run from the cops...

[Derwood43]

Why do people run?

Secondly, why were they doing 100 mph in a residential???

[Mookyjooky]

Guess whos gonna pay for this fiasco? US! YAY!

Like the Rodney King Bullshit, that motherfucker led cops on chase while hopped up on PCP. He put so many lives at risk that night, but when he decided to get out the truck and talk shit... the cops beat his ass.

Then everyone talks about Racism, while one of the cops was hispanic.

So Rodney wins 3.8 Million dollars and of course thats taxpayer money, and gets arrested for multiple drug infractions, spouse abuse, dickin hookers and other driving bullshit... and of course cops dont do shit cause they dont want to go to jail.

So what happened to King? He's in a fucking drug rehab center, bankrupt.

Thank you, America.

[Supernothing]

Video,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8027854162700568157&q=deputy+shoots

[Danro]

Video,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8027854162700568157&q=deputy+shoots

Did you guys happen to catch the title of the video? "Pig Shoots American hero attempting to comply with orders." So being in the millitary makes you a hero? Lame.

[jlarlee]

This airman is from my base and I know about this quite a bit since my office works directly with the local media. He has actually had a real good career in the military and won some awards. People who I know who have worked with him have said he is a reall good guy. Personally this pisses me off and I hope he gets a big paycheck all he was doing was what he was told

[jlarlee]

Did you guys happen to catch the title of the video? "Pig Shoots American hero attempting to comply with orders." So being in the millitary makes you a hero? Lame.

Not so much being in the military but the 6 months in Iraq is probably what warranted that.

[greatscot]

No charges have been filed against Carrion. Luis Fernando Escobedo, 21, identified by authorities as the driver of the Corvette, was arrested for investigation of felony evading and was being held at the West Valley Detention Center in Rancho Cucamonga, Beavers said.


To me, that is the most important part of the story. The guy who got shot wasn't even the driver. If the police department there is as bad as the ones around here, the cop who shot this guy will get a commendation. I also liked the part about the cop being put on "paid administrative leave". That's also known as a vacation.

[jlarlee]

You run, You get the gun.. No pity for the victim but on the same hand the cop went crazy and started firing off rounds, Its a situation were no one wins when you run from the cops...
The airman was just a passenger not the driver. The cop was like 10 feet from him and he was unarmed a night stick would have worked just fine

[docvinh]

Guess whos gonna pay for this fiasco? US! YAY!

Like the Rodney King Bullshit, that motherfucker led cops on chase while hopped up on PCP. He put so many lives at risk that night, but when he decided to get out the truck and talk shit... the cops beat his ass.

Then everyone talks about Racism, while one of the cops was hispanic.

So Rodney wins 3.8 Million dollars and of course thats taxpayer money, and gets arrested for multiple drug infractions, spouse abuse, dickin hookers and other driving bullshit... and of course cops dont do shit cause they dont want to go to jail.

So what happened to King? He's in a fucking drug rehab center, bankrupt.

Thank you, America.
I understand that was shitty, but shooting someone after telling them to get up is uncalled for, even if he was running.

[mykevermin]

Guess whos gonna pay for this fiasco? US! YAY!

Like the Rodney King Bullshit, that motherfucker led cops on chase while hopped up on PCP. He put so many lives at risk that night, but when he decided to get out the truck and talk shit... the cops beat his ass.

Then everyone talks about Racism, while one of the cops was hispanic.

So Rodney wins 3.8 Million dollars and of course thats taxpayer money, and gets arrested for multiple drug infractions, spouse abuse, dickin hookers and other driving bullshit... and of course cops dont do shit cause they dont want to go to jail.

So what happened to King? He's in a fucking drug rehab center, bankrupt.

Thank you, America.

I want to respond to this with great vitriol, but I noticed that you just signed up under my PS3 pyramid scheme. :lol:

[vherub]

Has anyone read Blink?

It's a fantastic, quick read. One of the chapters is on just this. To briefly explain, many counties have outlawed high speed chases. For one, a very large percent of them result in bystanders getting injured, but also, what happens is the police officer in the chase gets hit with a tremendous load of adrenaline during the pursuit. By the time the chase ends, the officer(s) is usually extremely worked up, often without even realizing the effect. The human body does very poorly handling the decision-making process at this point almost shutting down and acting without reason. Of the major riots in the las 20 years instigated by police brutality (such as Rodney King), they all began at the end of a high speed chase.

[itspaidgasterblaster]

Some pigs out here in chino are stupid, i've been lucky to get one of the few that are cool plus the guy getting shot was the passenger not the driver. I work about 4 minutes away from where it happened.

[javeryh]

Any airman lying on the ground deserves to get shot. In the balls.

[evanft]

I hope the cop gets charged with attempted murder.

[jlarlee]

Any airman lying on the ground deserves to get shot. In the balls.
Thats a vacation in comparison to what I think should happen to all lawyers :lol:

[Grave_Addiction]

Man, this is complete bullshit. I hope that cop gets some serious time for what he did. And I hope the Airman makes a full recovery and gets as much compensation as is possible.

That cop deserves to get his dick cut off.

[Mookyjooky]

Man, this is complete bullshit. I hope that cop gets some serious time for what he did. And I hope the Airman makes a full recovery and gets as much compensation as is possible.

That cop deserves to get his dick cut off.

And we should all speed 100mph just because. It doesnt put anyone in danger.

I'm sure that if the driver hit a couple children, people would be praising the cop.

[jlarlee]

And we should all speed 100mph just because. It doesnt put anyone in danger.

I'm sure that if the driver hit a couple children, people would be praising the cop.
ok since you seem to be slow today the guy who was shot was not fucking driving. I have had friends who were crazy drivers and your control as a passenge ris very limited

[Grave_Addiction]

And we should all speed 100mph just because. It doesnt put anyone in danger.

I'm sure that if the driver hit a couple children, people would be praising the cop.

First of all, the Airman wasn't the driver. You have no idea if he was trying to get his friend to stop or not. He could have been completely innocent.

If the driver hit and killed a child, then the cop shot the passenger for no reason, I'd still be pissed.

[Mookyjooky]

ok since you seem to be slow today the guy who was shot was not fucking driving. I have had friends who were crazy drivers and your control as a passenge ris very limited

Um, you're retarded. I've had people jack my car in Miami, and I was able to stop them. Thats about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

So if I was hanging out with you, and I pulled out a knife and I was gonna stab and rape your wife, you'd be powerless to stop me? Because I think it would be alot harder to stop me from raping your wife than it would be just to reach over grab the wheel and stomp your foot on the break.

Dont be such a coward.

[Mookyjooky]

If the driver hit and killed a child, then the cop shot the passenger for no reason, I'd still be pissed.

That makes about as much sence as knowing a car was coming at high speed, and you could see it was going to hit kids and you just stood on the side of the road and watched it. Then stood around, shrugged your shoulders and was like "What?"

Im sorry, but I'd probably beat your dumb ass for that.

[jlarlee]

Um, you're retarded. I've had people jack my car in Miami, and I was able to stop them. Thats about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

So if I was hanging out with you, and I pulled out a knife and I was gonna stab and rape your wife, you'd be powerless to stop me? Because I think it would be alot harder to stop me from raping your wife than it would be just to reach over grab the wheel and stomp your foot on the break.

Dont be such a coward.

If someone jacked your car you'd be cowering in the corner of your dash I call BS on that one. WTH are you going to do as a passenger if the car is going 100 mph. If you try to overpower the driver you are going to cause a crash. Now your second scenairo which has absolutely nothing to do with being in a speeding car is different. I would try to overpower the guy since me fighting with him won't inadvertantly cause our vehicle to crash into a barricade. Add to all of this that the airman was drunk I don't know about you but being drunk kills my common sense and ability to make quick correct decisions

[Msut77]

That Cop should go to jail.

[javeryh]

Thats a vacation in comparison to what I think should happen to all lawyers :lol:

I agree! Lawyers suck.

[evanft]

And yet again, Mookyjooky proves his unending idiocy. Congratulations!

[Grave_Addiction]

Um, you're retarded. I've had people jack my car in Miami, and I was able to stop them. Thats about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

So if I was hanging out with you, and I pulled out a knife and I was gonna stab and rape your wife, you'd be powerless to stop me? Because I think it would be alot harder to stop me from raping your wife than it would be just to reach over grab the wheel and stomp your foot on the break.

Dont be such a coward.

Damn man, you're really being a dumbshit today, aren't you?

First of all, how the hell do you, as a passenger, plan to stop you're friend driving a car in excess of 100 mph? Especially since it's a Corvette. Try sitting in the passenger seat any sports car and try to reach your foot to the brake. I guarantee you can't do it.

That makes about as much sence as knowing a car was coming at high speed, and you could see it was going to hit kids and you just stood on the side of the road and watched it. Then stood around, shrugged your shoulders and was like "What?"

Im sorry, but I'd probably beat your dumb ass for that.

Dude, I have no idea what you're trying to get at with that shit. All I'm saying is that the Airman very easily can be completely innocent. If the driver of the vehicle had hit and killed someone and the cop shot the passenger, it would still be just as wrong as shooting him without them hitting anyone.

No matter how you slice it, the cop is very wrong for what he did, and I hope he gets the shit kicked out of him.

[jlarlee]

Damn man, you're really being a dumbshit today, aren't you?

First of all, how the hell do you, as a passenger, plan to stop you're friend driving a car in excess of 100 mph? Especially since it's a Corvette. Try sitting in the passenger seat any sports car and try to reach your foot to the brake. I guarantee you can't do it.





Excuse mooky the only g-ride he has been in is his pimping Geo Metro with 9" rims

[Reality's Fringe]

I have to wonder if this issue would have been as big had this guy not been in the military.

[jlarlee]

I have to wonder if this issue would have been as big had this guy not been in the military.
probably not

[thagoat]

Personally this pisses me off and I hope he gets a big paycheck all he was doing was what he was toldso someone told him to run from the cops in a vette doing 100 mph. don't act like he didn't do anything. on the otherhand, he sure as hell didn't deserve 4 shots at close range. im suprised he's still alive.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Guess whos gonna pay for this fiasco? US! YAY!

Like the Rodney King Bullshit, that motherfucker led cops on chase while hopped up on PCP. He put so many lives at risk that night, but when he decided to get out the truck and talk shit... the cops beat his ass.

Then everyone talks about Racism, while one of the cops was hispanic.

So Rodney wins 3.8 Million dollars and of course thats taxpayer money, and gets arrested for multiple drug infractions, spouse abuse, dickin hookers and other driving bullshit... and of course cops dont do shit cause they dont want to go to jail.

So what happened to King? He's in a fucking drug rehab center, bankrupt.

Thank you, America.

Ok, here's the problem with your argument. All the cops knew about Rodney King at the time was that he was speeding and leading them on a high speed chase. They didn't know he was high on PCP and/or drunk, and they didn't magically know that he was going to commit future crimes.

All they knew was that he was breaking the law by speeding and evading the police. Apparently you see things differently, but I don't think that just because he tried to outrun the cops and got caught, that suddenly the cops had carte blanc to go medieval on his ass. The problems that he has had since the incident don't justify the beating he received years ago.

I'm not saying it was racist. As another poster noted, I think it is more of an adrenaline thing than anything else. But regardless of how much of a assbag King might be, he didn't deserve to get treated like that.

This incident in Chino is far worse as the cops shot the guy 3 times! You can see that he isn't resisting at all and he sure as hell didn't reach for anything.

[bignick]

Why do people say the tax payers will have to foot the bill. The police dpt is insured for things like this.

[jlarlee]

so someone told him to run from the cops in a vette doing 100 mph. don't act like he didn't do anything. on the otherhand, he sure as hell didn't deserve 4 shots at close range. im suprised he's still alive.
OMG he was not driving how many times need that be posted in this thread?

[Soodmeg]

Dude honestly...you guy fucking forget what its really like to be a police officer. My dad is a cop and i trained to be one before i realized that really didnt want to do it.


Do you know how many cops get shot on traffic stops? And of those do you know how many of them get shoot because they trusted the person they were stopping even for a second?

Let me tell you fuck tards a little story. My dad and is partner were on a routine traffic stop....the person they stopped was a 62 old lady whos name i am not going to mention......figuring...its just an old lady neither my dad or his partner were not on guard for anything...my dads partner strolled over to the drives side and ask the lady for her license and reg.....at this is the time my dad looked down and started filling out a traffic report something your suppose to do after the encouter...but figuring its an old lady what the hell.


Then......BOOM. Dad looks up sees his partner lying on the god damn ground with his stomach splattered all over the grass. That old lady... shot him with a god damn magnum...killing him almost instantly.

So fuck you guys...you guys dont know what the fuck police officers have to go through everyday. Every second that they work some nut job could pull out a gun and start blasting away...you never know who the hell is crazy. So give him a break...if he thought he was reaching for something....then he had all the right in the world to fucking shoot.


God damn it...i am so sick of people who work the hardest fucking jobs getting no respect at all. Fireman...Police Officers...Army Medics. Those people risk their god damn lives everyday for absolute shit pay so that you can feel a little bit safer at night.



Fuck you guys!


EDIT: I am not saying that some cops abuse their power....but all people do is focus on the worst of the worst and forget that there are a million other good cops that lose their lives every year thanks to some crazy wacko. Just remember that guys life is on the line......and if its going to be me or you...god damn rights i am shooting first.

[RedvsBlue]

Now, how many of you people have seen the actual video?

I saw it this morning on MSNBC and its not quite a clear cut as what it seems. First off, its difficult to tell WHO says get up. If it wasn't the officer that fired the shots then it changes the situation quite a bit. There were two people in the car, and despite only 1 cop being on tape, there had to be many more officer. Now, what if another officer was ordering the other suspect to his feet and the one who was shot stood up think he was being told to stand up? The officer who had him at gunpoint may have thought he was lunging for the gun, everyone is different when drunk and its not like this officer would know how this guy is when drunk. Also, unlike what someone said, the officer was only about 1-2 ft away from the suspect, not 10. There's isn't much time to react when someone's only 1-2 ft away.

I don't know about the situation but what I do know is that its kind of sad how quick people are to judge the police. All anyone ever does is sit around and complain about police, calling them pigs, etc. but when you have trouble, what's the first thing you think of? Calling the cops. Then, if they don't get there soon enough, people bitch about that. Its a thankless job that all people ever do about is complain.

I could get into why lawyers are in a similar situation but that's a discussion for another day.

[Mookyjooky]

Dude honestly...you guy fucking forget what its really like to be a police officer. My dad is a cop and i trained to be one before i realized that really didnt want to do it.

Do you know how many cops get shot on traffic stops? And of those do you know how many of them get shoot because they trusted the person they were stopping even for a second?

Let me tell you fuck tards a little story. My dad and is partner were on a routine traffic stop....the person they stopped was a 62 old lady whos name i am not going to mention......figuring...its just an old lady neither my dad or his partner were not on guard for anything...my dads partner strolled over to the drives side and ask the lady for her license and reg.....at this is the time my dad looked down and started filling out a traffic report something your suppose to do after the encouter...but figuring its an old lady what the hell.

Then......BOOM. Dad looks up sees his partner lying on the god damn ground with his stomach splattered all over the grass. That old lady... shot him with a god damn magnum...killing him almost instantly.

So fuck you guys...you guys dont know what the fuck police officers have to go through everyday. Every second that they work some nut job could pull out a gun and start blasting away...you never know who the hell is crazy. So give him a break...if he thought he was reaching for something....then he had all the right in the world to fucking shoot.

God damn it...i am so sick of people who work the hardest fucking jobs getting no respect at all. Fireman...Police Officers...Army Medics. Those people risk their god damn lives everyday for absolute shit pay so that you can feel a little bit safer at night.

Fuck you guys!

EDIT: I am not saying that some cops abuse their power....but all people do is focus on the worst of the worst and forget that there are a million other good cops that lose their lives every year thanks to some crazy wacko. Just remember that guys life is on the line......and if its going to be me or you...god damn rights i am shooting first.

Amen. After being in a 100mph high speed chase everyone is ready to lynch the guy. I dont think he should walk away scott free, or not get sued by the victims family personally. I just dont think this cop should be ass-raped in jail by cons he may or may-not of put away because of one mistake.

Every is calling for blood, but the cop was oviously scared and running on pure adrenaline. And this has already turned into an issue cause every news channel is saying in bold letters "COP GUNS DOWN UNARMED IRAQ VET!"

The cop made a mistake, but all the times he's protected the citizens of his community... that doesnt count for anything now that he's shot some drunk, soldier coming out of a car that was in a 100mph chase? Lucky that vet was army-built... cause a skinny dude probably would of died right there... and if he wasnt an UNARMED MILITARY IRAQ VET, no one would of gave a shit.

[Scorch]

That Cop should go to jail.

Agreed, and this post should go to the controversy forum.

[Soodmeg]

This is one of the many reason why americans are stupid as hell.

How many of you everysingle day read or see about..."This cop got shot today....this fireman got killed to day" and what do you do? You go meh...that sucks. But as soon as you even catch a sniff of a cop shoots this....all of you want him and his family to die on the spot and go to hell. I hope that cops burns forever with pitchforks up his ass......how dare he shoot someone that was driving fleeing 100mph drunk.


You people are fucking stupid...and the reason why america sucks so much balls.

bottom line...if a cop gets killed...meh oh well part of the job..but the second they do anything to protect themselves thats not a all out shoot-out in front of a bank everyone calls for their head on a platter.
Fucking americans.......i see why the entire world hates us.

You guys dont know shit.....

[botticus]

bottom line...if a cop gets killed...meh oh well part of the job..but the second they do anything to protect themselves thats not a all out shoot-out in front of a bank everyone calls for their head on a platter.
Fucking americans.......i see why the entire world hates us.

You guys dont know shit.....
First of all, it's not just America, so I don't know why you keep insulting every American posting in this thread (you apparently haven't seen the news whenever a soldier of any nationality in Iraq kills a civilian). And it's not a question of "knowing" anything. You don't know what the cop was thinking at the time either.

The reason people get worked up about cops shooting people is because cops are supposed to be the protectors of the peace. Which does not include shooting unarmed citizens. That's what criminals do. If a police officer is too worked up after a 100mph pursuit, they should remove themselves from the situation (or at least not stand two feet from the subject) if their presence is not required (i.e. because there were other officers there). Judgement is clouded by adrenaline, and that's not good for anyone. And they aren't above the law because of their job as much as I respect it.

And the world hates us because of our foreign policy over the last couple decades, as far as I know ;) Move to Controversy forum thirded.

[Danro]

I was really hoping it wouldnt come down to Millitary > Police, but I see a lot of that in this thread, I totally disagree with it....

Yeah, this should be moved to Controversy section.

[Soodmeg]

First of all, it's not just America, so I don't know why you keep insulting every American posting in this thread (you apparently haven't seen the news whenever a soldier of any nationality in Iraq kills a civilian). And it's not a question of "knowing" anything. You don't know what the cop was thinking at the time either.

The reason people get worked up about cops shooting people is because cops are supposed to be the protectors of the peace. Which does not include shooting unarmed citizens. That's what criminals do. If a police officer is too worked up after a 100mph pursuit, they should remove themselves from the situation (or at least not stand two feet from the subject) if their presence is not required (i.e. because there were other officers there). Judgement is clouded by adrenaline, and that's not good for anyone. And they aren't above the law because of their job as much as I respect it.

And the world hates us because of our foreign policy over the last couple decades, as far as I know ;) Move to Controversy forum thirded.


I keep saying america in the fact that...america is set up so that you are judge by your mistakes only. No one cares if you served 15 years on the forces or saved 100 people lives....all they care about is if you screw up. Also americans think they know every god damn thing on the planet. Like you know exactly whats going on in everyone else's mind at all times.

Cops are suppose to protect people? The first law to being a cop is to protect YOURSELF first then everyone else.

But you wouldnt know anything about risking your live everyday would you? Do any of you know? Thats fucking right....like i said before...YOU DONT KNOW SHIT. What would you have done? "Oh man i would have kung-fu kicked him in the mouth like i seen in the movies man."

None of you have been in a LIFE or DEATH situation before...so judgeing this cop is fucking pointless by you people but go one thinking you know everything...god damn people you werent even there...your READING about. Fucking christ man.

[Soodmeg]

Try this on for size...being a cop is like fighting your younger brother...or better yet your sister. You want to fight them but you know that your parent will kick your ass if you actully hurt them.

Now times that by 1 billion. As a cop...you are trying to take down someone who is fighting you with all their might...and even might go so far as you take your life to get away...(sister) yet as a cop you can only use a certain amout of force...or your parents (dumb fucking media...idiots who think they know everything...family members) will get all pissy at you.


Think how hard it was not to just punch your sister in the face.........but its not your sister its a guy trying to stab you with a pencil. (Seriouly my dad was on trial for this)....no from an idiots point of view you would just say.....he only had a pencil. You would be one of the many dumbasses that said my pops use to much force. My dad hit the guy in the face with the butt of his 9mm...thus breaking his nose and giving the guy two black eyes. Luckly we had more non-dumbass and was not guitly even after serving in the city for 16 years earning a number of awards people still ask me about that god damn case.

I dont know you people seem to think that cops are ninja's or something. Like that can disarm anyone at anytime with their magical cop skills. Or that can magical can not get hit by bullets.

You guys have to remember this isnt a movie man....if you think someone is dangerous then you must assume that he has a tank in his pocket...because if you dont and he has one...your dead..and their is no rewind.

[Mookyjooky]

I keep saying america in the fact that...america is set up so that you are judge by your mistakes only. No one cares if you served 15 years on the forces or saved 100 people lives....all they care about is if you screw up. Also americans think they know every god damn thing on the planet. Like you know exactly whats going on in everyone else's mind at all times.

Cops are suppose to protect people? The first law to being a cop is to protect YOURSELF first then everyone else.

But you wouldnt know anything about risking your live everyday would you? Do any of you know? Thats fucking right....like i said before...YOU DONT KNOW SHIT. What would you have done? "Oh man i would have kung-fu kicked him in the mouth like i seen in the movies man."

None of you have been in a LIFE or DEATH situation before...so judgeing this cop is fucking pointless by you people but go one thinking you know everything...god damn people you werent even there...your READING about. Fucking christ man.

Ok, I was agreeing with you until you started sounding like you were twelve. So we dont know what's going on in a cops head? Agreed... but dont sit here and act like you know us personally. Some of us may be cops, some not. But cool down, cause you're making our side of the arguement look immature. Oh and the americans only thing, have you ever been to other contries? Same shit, no matter where you go.

[Soodmeg]

Ok, I was agreeing with you until you started sounding like you were twelve. So we dont know what's going on in a cops head? Agreed... but dont sit here and act like you know us personally. Some of us may be cops, some not. But cool down, cause you're making our side of the arguement look immature. Oh and the americans only thing, have you ever been to other contries? Same shit, no matter where you go.


Dude fuck you man. I dont know you personally but i can assume that none of you know what the hell you are talking about because if you did...you wouldnt say the stupid shit you are saying.

Conversation over.

[javeryh]

I keep saying america in the fact that...america is set up so that you are judge by your mistakes only. No one cares if you served 15 years on the forces or saved 100 people lives....all they care about is if you screw up. Also americans think they know every god damn thing on the planet. Like you know exactly whats going on in everyone else's mind at all times.

Cops are suppose to protect people? The first law to being a cop is to protect YOURSELF first then everyone else.

But you wouldnt know anything about risking your live everyday would you? Do any of you know? Thats fucking right....like i said before...YOU DONT KNOW SHIT. What would you have done? "Oh man i would have kung-fu kicked him in the mouth like i seen in the movies man."

None of you have been in a LIFE or DEATH situation before...so judgeing this cop is fucking pointless by you people but go one thinking you know everything...god damn people you werent even there...your READING about. Fucking christ man.

Americans do know everything. It's what makes us American.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Americans do know everything. It's what makes us American.

..and I knew you were going to say that ;)

[Mookyjooky]

Dude fuck you man. I dont know you personally but i can assume that none of you know what the hell you are talking about because if you did...you wouldnt say the stupid shit you are saying.

Conversation over.

Obviously you're not reading the thread where I get slammed for taking the cops side. Until you showed up, I was probably the only one. Your complete ignorance is the only thing making me wonder if I really dont know what I'm talking about.

Its hard to get a point across when your posts look like -


"fuckfuckoijlihiufucklihoifuckfucklbhbliblibliblifu ckliblibufuckfuckfuckliblijblibfuckfucklibliblijbl ibfuck!!!!

Americans are stupid!"

[doraemonkerpal]

Dude fuck you man. I dont know you personally but i can assume that none of you know what the hell you are talking about because if you did...you wouldnt say the stupid shit you are saying.

Conversation over.

http://www.tvacres.com/images/cornholio_beavis.jpg
... settle down beavis. :lol:

[Reality's Fringe]

I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF THIS EVENT. THE COP DID SHOOT AN UNARMED AIRMAN!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/realitysfringe/UNARMEDAIRMAN.jpg

[javeryh]

I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF THIS EVENT. THE COP DID SHOOT AN UNARMED AIRMAN!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/realitysfringe/UNARMEDAIRMAN.jpg

Awesome.

[Mookyjooky]

Awesome.

Could be worse, it could be a black man with a pencil...

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/PHD/PHD515/200021616-001.jpg

[craven_fiend]

I'd just like to add this to the thread........

fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, your cool, fuck you, fuck you

But seriously, lets let the story play out and see how it goes.

One thing is for sure, soodmeg got his Wheaties pissed in this morning. I don't see where anyone bashed police officers in general, but just this one. If I am not mistaken, don't they (PO) consider cop a deragitory (sp, spelling is shitty today) term? Thats what I was told be a detective I used to work with at a local pizza joint (owner), he had to make his money some how.

But on to your generalization of people posting in this thread, its terrible. I'm sure some of these people have been in life and death situations, as atleast 2 of them were/are in the military. I have the utmost respect for the people defending our country, whether it be abroad or local, it doesn't matter. These people are doing what the want for the country they love, and for that we all should be proud.

[raregamergirl]

wow, that is some serious crazy shit. the guy wasnt even driving! the cop should obviously be fired and definitely have some sort of charges pressed against him. its not like the guy was fleeing, its not like he had a weapon, its not like he was even causing a problem.

[RedvsBlue]

First of all, it's not just America, so I don't know why you keep insulting every American posting in this thread (you apparently haven't seen the news whenever a soldier of any nationality in Iraq kills a civilian). And it's not a question of "knowing" anything. You don't know what the cop was thinking at the time either.

The reason people get worked up about cops shooting people is because cops are supposed to be the protectors of the peace. Which does not include shooting unarmed citizens. That's what criminals do. If a police officer is too worked up after a 100mph pursuit, they should remove themselves from the situation (or at least not stand two feet from the subject) if their presence is not required (i.e. because there were other officers there). Judgement is clouded by adrenaline, and that's not good for anyone. And they aren't above the law because of their job as much as I respect it.

And the world hates us because of our foreign policy over the last couple decades, as far as I know ;) Move to Controversy forum thirded.

You're absolutely right. We'll have officer's just opt out when they feel their adrenaline get too high. If that means no one's left to arrest a suspect then guess he gets a freebie. Then, for the officer's that do make it through a situation without raising their adrenaline, they will have to arrest a suspect at a minimum of 10ft. They'll toss the cuffs to the suspect and they will cuff themselves and everything will just be hunkydory. :roll: What world are you living in?

[craven_fiend]

You're absolutely right. We'll have officer's just opt out when they feel their adrenaline get too high. If that means no one's left to arrest a suspect then guess he gets a freebie. Then, for the officer's that do make it through a situation without raising their adrenaline, they will have to arrest a suspect at a minimum of 10ft. They'll toss the cuffs to the suspect and they will cuff themselves and everything will just be hunkydory. :roll: What world are you living in?

I think the key to what he was saying is in regards to if their presence is not required.

Hell in the pissant town I live in, if you get pulled over for a minor, failure to signal...etc, violation you have atleast 2 cars at the scene. With another 2 or 3 that drive by. So at that point, someone has got to have a better picture of the scene or atleast be able to compare the versions of what happened.

[Msut77]

Do you know how many cops get shot on traffic stops?

By unarmed guys on the ground? Im going to guess Zero.

Fuck off and Die.

[RedvsBlue]

By unarmed guys on the ground? Im going to guess Zero.

Fuck off and Die.

1 in 8 officers that are involved in a shooting incident are shot with their own gun.

[Msut77]

And?

Is that the new argument, the cop thought he was going for his gun at like .5mph?

[RedvsBlue]

And?

Is that the new argument, the cop thought he was going for his gun at like .5mph?

Does the speed really matter when its about a foot away? You don't have much time to react.

[Msut77]

Does the speed really matter when its about a foot away? You don't have much time to react.

Now you are just being silly. He did say he was going to get up.

[evanft]

So shooting him 3 times was A-OK?

[Skelah]

The cop should be treated the same as anyone else and get around 10 years in prison.

What kind of coward shoots an unarmed person especialy after following orders its like saying bow to me and now I shoot you cause u made me chase u.

Nice police training .

[vherub]

the thing is after a high speed chase, it is next to impossible to disengage, to calm down and act rationally. The body kicks into a base state of mind, its just how humans are wired to function.
Similarly, there are far less complaints filed against single-officer cars. People may want a partner, but when you are by yourself, you take more time, you don't go rushing in, you are more cautious and likely to wait for back-up.

A few years ago there was an assassination attempt on the president of south korea. The person approaches the president, accidentally shoots himself in the leg, raises his gun, shoots, missing and killing the president's wife. the bodyguard draws his weapon fires, missing the gunmen and killing an innocent boy standing nearby.
How long did this all take, 20 seconds? 30 seconds?

It took 3.5 seconds. Movies and television have warped our perspective of how quickly we react, how our bodies instinctively take over, acting in manners there is no previous experience or precendence on which to draw from. The far majority of police officers will never fire a gun in the line of duty. It's not a videogame, you are not detached in the moment andd often not even acting cleary and rationally. That hardwired part of our being that thinks about nothing but survival and self-preservation begins to take over.

[The Shiznit]

Some experts said the shooting could have been avoided had the deputy used better tactics. Specifically, they said, the deputy should never have placed himself so close to suspects. Instead, he should have used his own vehicle as cover, called for backup and issued commands from a safe distance.

Ideally, they said, a suspect should be lying prone on the ground and handcuffed before he is asked to stand up.

[RedvsBlue]

Now you are just being silly. He did say he was going to get up.

You tell someone to fuck off and that someone moves at .5 mph, yet I'm being silly?!?

[Grave_Addiction]

Dude honestly...you guy fucking forget what its really like to be a police officer. My dad is a cop and i trained to be one before i realized that really didnt want to do it.


Do you know how many cops get shot on traffic stops? And of those do you know how many of them get shoot because they trusted the person they were stopping even for a second?

Let me tell you fuck tards a little story. My dad and is partner were on a routine traffic stop....the person they stopped was a 62 old lady whos name i am not going to mention......figuring...its just an old lady neither my dad or his partner were not on guard for anything...my dads partner strolled over to the drives side and ask the lady for her license and reg.....at this is the time my dad looked down and started filling out a traffic report something your suppose to do after the encouter...but figuring its an old lady what the hell.


Then......BOOM. Dad looks up sees his partner lying on the god damn ground with his stomach splattered all over the grass. That old lady... shot him with a god damn magnum...killing him almost instantly.

So fuck you guys...you guys dont know what the fuck police officers have to go through everyday. Every second that they work some nut job could pull out a gun and start blasting away...you never know who the hell is crazy. So give him a break...if he thought he was reaching for something....then he had all the right in the world to fucking shoot.


God damn it...i am so sick of people who work the hardest fucking jobs getting no respect at all. Fireman...Police Officers...Army Medics. Those people risk their god damn lives everyday for absolute shit pay so that you can feel a little bit safer at night.



Fuck you guys!


EDIT: I am not saying that some cops abuse their power....but all people do is focus on the worst of the worst and forget that there are a million other good cops that lose their lives every year thanks to some crazy wacko. Just remember that guys life is on the line......and if its going to be me or you...god damn rights i am shooting first.

You're officially the CAG Dumbass of the Month.

Congratulations.

Mooky, I'll give you a belated CAG Dumbass of the Month for January.

[Grave_Addiction]

Does the speed really matter when its about a foot away? You don't have much time to react.

Then maybe the cop shouldn't have been so close.

[Msut77]

You tell someone to fuck off and that someone moves at .5 mph, yet I'm being silly?!?

Inane, stupid, a dumbass.

Whatever you think fits better.

[RedvsBlue]

Inane, stupid, a dumbass.

Whatever you think fits better.


Wow, your debating skills are second to none!

[MadChedar0]

Yeah I saw this a couple, maybe three days ago. Real messed up. Shooting him was bad enough, but multiple times in the chest. What the fuck.

[RedvsBlue]

Then maybe the cop shouldn't have been so close.


Perhaps, but none of us know what events lead up to the shooting. Aside from the 3-4 seconds before the shooting that are taped.

[jmcc]

Then maybe the cop shouldn't have been so close.
Yeah, there was almost certainly a breakdown in procedure if the cop felt his life was in danger.

[Msut77]

Wow, your debating skills are second to none!

Thanks.

[Moxio]

That sucks. :cry:

[camoor]

the thing is after a high speed chase, it is next to impossible to disengage, to calm down and act rationally. The body kicks into a base state of mind, its just how humans are wired to function.

How about a guy who comes home to see his wife cheating on him. He's emotionally crushed in .5 seconds flat, it is next to impossible to disengage, to calm down and act rationally - does he get carte blanche?

How about a guy whose daughter is hit by a wrecklessly driven car right in front of him - it is next to impossible to disengage, to calm down and act rationally - does he get carte blanche?

I could go on, but you get my point - this is a defense lawyer arguement.

Wearing a uniform does not give you the right to shoot an unarmed man lying on the ground.

[Mookyjooky]

You're officially the CAG Dumbass of the Month.

Congratulations.

Mooky, I'll give you a belated CAG Dumbass of the Month for January.

Oh yeah, that kills me...

I'm so worried of some $$$ who stocks his tradelist with every damn system under the sun and a massive collection of homo-erotic wrestling tapes.

With the life you seem to be livin, you got a long way to catch up.

[RedvsBlue]

How about a guy who comes home to see his wife cheating on him. He's emotionally crushed in .5 seconds flat, it is next to impossible to disengage, to calm down and act rationally - does he get carte blanche?

How about a guy whose daughter is hit by a wrecklessly driven car right in front of him - it is next to impossible to disengage, to calm down and act rationally - does he get carte blanche?

I could go on, but you get my point - this is a defense lawyer arguement.

Wearing a uniform does not give you the right to shoot an unarmed man lying on the ground.


They don't get carte blanche but they do get a little bit of a break. It varies in many jurisdictions between either 3rd degree murder or voluntary manslaughter. Either way the relevant legal phrase is "heat of passion under sudden provocation" or, as its more commonly known, heat of passion. You don't get nearly as severe of a sentence as 2nd degree murder.

[jlarlee]

Oh yeah, that kills me...

I'm so worried of some $$$ who stocks his tradelist with every damn system under the sun and a massive collection of homo-erotic wrestling tapes.

With the life you seem to be livin, you got a long way to catch up.
wow he is a $$$ for liking wrestling(which a shit load of people on here like) and having a varied trade lsit with a lot of systems. Fuck dumbass of the month you are going straight for dumbass of the decade

[alonzomourning23]

Now, how many of you people have seen the actual video?


I saw the video first and then went looking for the article.

Dude honestly...you guy fucking forget what its really like to be a police officer. My dad is a cop and i trained to be one before i realized that really didnt want to do it.


Do you know how many cops get shot on traffic stops? And of those do you know how many of them get shoot because they trusted the person they were stopping even for a second?

Let me tell you fuck tards a little story. My dad and is partner were on a routine traffic stop....the person they stopped was a 62 old lady whos name i am not going to mention......figuring...its just an old lady neither my dad or his partner were not on guard for anything...my dads partner strolled over to the drives side and ask the lady for her license and reg.....at this is the time my dad looked down and started filling out a traffic report something your suppose to do after the encouter...but figuring its an old lady what the hell.


Then......BOOM. Dad looks up sees his partner lying on the god damn ground with his stomach splattered all over the grass. That old lady... shot him with a god damn magnum...killing him almost instantly.

So fuck you guys...you guys dont know what the fuck police officers have to go through everyday. Every second that they work some nut job could pull out a gun and start blasting away...you never know who the hell is crazy. So give him a break...if he thought he was reaching for something....then he had all the right in the world to fucking shoot.


God damn it...i am so sick of people who work the hardest fucking jobs getting no respect at all. Fireman...Police Officers...Army Medics. Those people risk their god damn lives everyday for absolute shit pay so that you can feel a little bit safer at night.



Fuck you guys!


EDIT: I am not saying that some cops abuse their power....but all people do is focus on the worst of the worst and forget that there are a million other good cops that lose their lives every year thanks to some crazy wacko. Just remember that guys life is on the line......and if its going to be me or you...god damn rights i am shooting first.

Umm..... so you think a cop should be able to shoot someone who isn't a threat and get away with a slap on the wrist or something? Damn, no wonder people are so scared of cops. Cops need to be held responsible for crossing the line just like everyone else, when they aren't you get widespread corruption like you have in places like new orleans. Hell, if I came home and saw my wife in bed with someone else and started shooting no one is going to come rushing to my defense in the way that you are defending the cop.

Does the speed really matter when its about a foot away? You don't have much time to react.

I did read another article were a police officer was interviewed and he said he shouldn't have been that close to the suspect. The guy wasn't there or anything, but neither were we, so I just figured I'd mention that guys opinion.

[worx]

Man, whats the big deal? Fiddy got shot, what 8 times and now he has his own video game. This shit works out. At least thats what VGM would say if he were here.

Seriously though - at most I'd say the officer should have fired a disabling shot to the leg - not 3-4 rounds to the torso. I've never been shot but I'm thinking one bullet would be enough to get my attention. Althought I'm still not even sure this warranted a firearm altercation - two raps with a night stick and this wouldn't have even made the papers and the airman would be back home right now.

[Grave_Addiction]

Oh yeah, that kills me...

I'm so worried of some $$$ who stocks his tradelist with every damn system under the sun and a massive collection of homo-erotic wrestling tapes.

With the life you seem to be livin, you got a long way to catch up.

Hah hah, dude, you're such a dumbass.

It's funny that you have to go through my tradelist just to find shit to come back with.

Dude, you're such a fuckin' dumbshit it's not even funny.

[RedvsBlue]

Man, whats the big deal? Fiddy got shot, what 8 times and now he has his own video game. This shit works out. At least thats what VGM would say if he were here.

Seriously though - at most I'd say the officer should have fired a disabling shot to the leg - not 3-4 rounds to the torso. I've never been shot but I'm thinking one bullet would be enough to get my attention. Althought I'm still not even sure this warranted a firearm altercation - two raps with a night stick and this wouldn't have even made the papers and the airman would be back home right now.


Once again, watch the video before you say "why didn't he use the nightstick". His gun was already drawn, he was too close (I think that's easily the least debatable point of the article), and he probably believed the suspect was reaching for his gun. It would have taken way too much time to put the gun back in the holster and get out the nightstick. It was a split-second situation.

[RedvsBlue]

Oh yeah, that kills me...

I'm so worried of some $$$ who stocks his tradelist with every damn system under the sun and a massive collection of homo-erotic wrestling tapes.

With the life you seem to be livin, you got a long way to catch up.

Seriously, would you just get out of the way so those of us with valid points can actually have a discussion.

In other words, let the adults talk.

[Grave_Addiction]

Once again, watch the video before you say "why didn't he use the nightstick". His gun was already drawn, he was too close (I think that's easily the least debatable point of the article), and he probably believed the suspect was reaching for his gun. It would have taken way too much time to put the gun back in the holster and get out the nightstick. It was a split-second situation.

I dunno, man. The kid seemed to really show that he didn't mean any harm to the police officer, and he was following the directions of the cop. I just don't see any reason why shots should have been fired.

This is just a shame that this happened. I really hope the Airman makes a speedy recovery and the cop gets his just due.

[RedvsBlue]

I dunno, man. The kid seemed to really show that he didn't mean any harm to the police officer, and he was following the directions of the cop. I just don't see any reason why shots should have been fired.

This is just a shame that this happened. I really hope the Airman makes a speedy recovery and the cop gets his just due.

You're right, it seems, to us, that the kid didn't mean any harm but the situation looks a lot different sitting on our couches at home watching a green tinted, nightvision video. The nightvision part is crucial, there was obviously not much light in the situation so it looks a lot different with nightvision than it will in the actual situation.

Personally, I'm waiting for the FBI experts to examine the video to determine who said what and when they said it before I start making any assumptions about the cop burning in hell (as some of the people have wished upon in this thread).

[jmcc]

You're right, it seems, to us, that the kid didn't mean any harm but the situation looks a lot different sitting on our couches at home watching a green tinted, nightvision video. The nightvision part is crucial, there was obviously not much light in the situation so it looks a lot different with nightvision than it will in the actual situation.

Personally, I'm waiting for the FBI experts to examine the video to determine who said what and when they said it before I start making any assumptions about the cop burning in hell (as some of the people have wished upon in this thread).
I'm willing to make assumptions right now. If you make mistakes in the course of your job that end up with an innocent party getting shot in the chest 3 times, you deserve some repercussions. At least job loss.

[Graystone]

The airman was just a passenger not the driver. The cop was like 10 feet from him and he was unarmed a night stick would have worked just fine

exactly or pepper spray. He did say fuck you to the cops though that does not warrent 4 bullets in your body though. It sounded like the cop kept telling him shut the fuck up after he shot him. I think the airman was a little drunk or high, by the way he sounded.

[camoor]

They don't get carte blanche but they do get a little bit of a break. It varies in many jurisdictions between either 3rd degree murder or voluntary manslaughter. Either way the relevant legal phrase is "heat of passion under sudden provocation" or, as its more commonly known, heat of passion. You don't get nearly as severe of a sentence as 2nd degree murder.

That's true

[Mookyjooky]

Hah hah, dude, you're such a dumbass.

It's funny that you have to go through my tradelist just to find shit to come back with.

Um, no... I was doing alot of trading last week. You dont see what other tradelist have when you make a list?

Also, you're just repeating yourself, yes.. yes... I know, *snore*... I'm a dumbass. Boo Hoo.

Seriously, would you just get out of the way so those of us with valid points can actually have a discussion.

In other words, let the adults talk.

If you actually read ther thread, you'll notice that Jlarlee and Grave personally verbally attacked me first. I was just making my side of the arguement, which was that:

A: The passenger wasn't completely helpless in the 100mph chase.
B: That this probably wouldnt of hit the news if he wasnt a Iraq Vet., or he was anglo saxon.
C: That the passenger was no more an american hero than the cop before this incident.
D: That the cop (Though he wasnt in the right) was panicking after being in a 100mph chase and should be accounted for.
E: That we should take into consideration that the cop puts his life on the line every single day.
F: That only moments were taped.

Graves first debate was that the "Cop should get his dick cut off"

And then later he was calling me a "dumbshit" personally... Yet I only decide to make a personal comment when he calls me dumbass of the month.

Are you actually reading this thread?

[vherub]

How about a guy who comes home to see his wife cheating on him. He's emotionally crushed in .5 seconds flat, it is next to impossible to disengage, to calm down and act rationally - does he get carte blanche?

How about a guy whose daughter is hit by a wrecklessly driven car right in front of him - it is next to impossible to disengage, to calm down and act rationally - does he get carte blanche?

I could go on, but you get my point - this is a defense lawyer arguement.

Wearing a uniform does not give you the right to shoot an unarmed man lying on the ground.

My point isn't to be taken as a defense for killing someone. He still did that, he still lives with that the rest of his life. I was more answering the question of how this could happen, and how any one of us, in a similar situation it also might happen to. The reaction of posters that this cop is some monster may be accurate, but it also strongly points to human instinct. None of us have enough information right now to condemn him or give him a free pass. But I think it is rather silly to outright call for immediate and swift retribution for outrageous acts of violence against an unarmed passenger. At the very least, the process and procedure broke down and needs to be revised to prevent this from happening and less so remove this one cop from duty.

[jmcc]

At the very least, the process and procedure broke down and needs to be revised to prevent this from happening and less so remove this one cop from duty.
Revised? Why? It seems to work when it's followed. Unless a significant number of high speed traffic stops end in unarmed passengers getting shot this is strictly this cop's fault. If he's incapable of keeping his head in a tense situation, what the hell is he doing in a uniform?

[The Shiznit]

I read in the LA times that the guy who filmed the shooting was arrested by the Pomona Police after trying to renew his greencard. No other details provided.

[The Shiznit]

B: That this probably wouldnt of hit the news if he wasnt a Iraq Vet., or he was anglo saxon.


He probably wouldn't have got shot if he was Anglo.

[Zenithian Legend]

That's great, the guy is just back from Iraq too, maybe this time an officer will get fucked. I hope they toss him in prison so he can experience some serious ass sex as his punishment.

[jmcc]

That's great, the guy is just back from Iraq too, maybe this time an officer will get fucked. I hope they toss him in prison so he can experience some serious ass sex as his punishment.
A paid month suspension is more likely.

[Grave_Addiction]

Here's a pic of the cop.

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2006-02/21762155.jpg

[Zoglog]

ok lets get this straight, just because somone says he's an air force officer you're going to believe them? Especially after running away in a car chase? Most people who criticize the officer don't realize how the tension rises in a situation like that. The officer was dumb, he should have just laid on the ground. That's obviously the safest choice because they officer will not shoot you for staying still. However getting up indicates action.

Officer says Don't get up, should have enphasized the Don't part more ;) but yeah oh well =p

[jlarlee]

ok lets get this straight, just because somone says he's an air force officer you're going to believe them? Especially after running away in a car chase? Most people who criticize the officer don't realize how the tension rises in a situation like that. The officer was dumb, he should have just laid on the ground. That's obviously the safest choice because they officer will not shoot you for staying still. However getting up indicates action.

Officer says Don't get up, should have enphasized the Don't part more ;) but yeah oh well =p

The airman was actually enlisted not an officer he earns his living :lol:

[alonzomourning23]

ok lets get this straight, just because somone says he's an air force officer you're going to believe them? Especially after running away in a car chase? Most people who criticize the officer don't realize how the tension rises in a situation like that. The officer was dumb, he should have just laid on the ground. That's obviously the safest choice because they officer will not shoot you for staying still. However getting up indicates action.

Officer says Don't get up, should have enphasized the Don't part more ;) but yeah oh well =p

Wait, unless you heard something I didn't then he did what he was told. If a cop has a gun pointed at you and tells you to get up I don't think you're going to stay down assuming he'll shoot you if you follow his orders. The kid even told him he was getting up.

[The Shiznit]

ok lets get this straight, just because somone says he's an air force officer you're going to believe them? Especially after running away in a car chase? Most people who criticize the officer don't realize how the tension rises in a situation like that. The officer was dumb, he should have just laid on the ground. That's obviously the safest choice because they officer will not shoot you for staying still. However getting up indicates action.

Officer says Don't get up, should have enphasized the Don't part more ;) but yeah oh well =p

Did you miss the part where the cop told him to get up?

[Grave_Addiction]

ok lets get this straight, just because somone says he's an air force officer you're going to believe them? Especially after running away in a car chase? Most people who criticize the officer don't realize how the tension rises in a situation like that. The officer was dumb, he should have just laid on the ground. That's obviously the safest choice because they officer will not shoot you for staying still. However getting up indicates action.

Officer says Don't get up, should have enphasized the Don't part more ;) but yeah oh well =p

Yeah, the cop told him to get up. He was just following directions.

[terribledeli]

All the officer needs to do is prove that he felt his life was in danger. If he believed that the airman could have injured him in any way...he'll more than likely recieve psych evaluations and two weeks unpaid leave.

Now, the community may put pressure on the department to get rid of this guy. However, it'd be a really tough case to prove that the officer shot the guy for no reason. Even with video.

Either way, both sides lose. The department comes off looking awful and a young man is hospitalized for something that could have been avoided IF, and only IF the proper techniques were applied.

Most departments across the US are starting to train officers for this. I had to take several ethics classes, most of which teach you how to handle a situation similiar to this.

[captaincold]

There are some GLARING problems with this case:

1) It states in the 1st post that he lead them on a "SHORT 100mph chase". Short & 100mph don't go together!!!!

2) The driver was let go with ZERO charges filed! WTF!

3) Anyone who ever got pulled over while speeding was "chased". How the hell can the officer get to you without chasing you??


What this tells me is that these were guys that were just speeding.

[jlarlee]

according to some of the airmans coworkers his friend was proud of his new car and wanted to show him how fast it could go. Honestly I know I have been there done that. I can see why the cop would think the ride was stolen driving in that manner

[jlarlee]

The cop was charged with man slaughter today

[Duo_Maxwell]

The cop was charged with man slaughter today

Manslaughter or attempted manslaughter? I didn't read the middle pages of posts but unless the airman died, I don't think he couldn have been charged for manslaughter.

[Grave_Addiction]

Good. I'm glad.

[jlarlee]

Manslaughter or attempted manslaughter? I didn't read the middle pages of posts but unless the airman died, I don't think he couldn have been charged for manslaughter.
attempted my bad

[seanr1221]

It almost seems like there's more to the story. I think RedvsBlue made a good point when he said another officer could have told another guy to get up, and the airforce guy thought he was being told to get up.

Ehh...I dont know, I'm pretty torn on this right now.