GT4 Drifting

[MadFlava]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2949067658360696662&q=drifting

[kakomu]

I'm annoyed by drifting in GT3/4. In order to really drift, you have to turn traction contral and Automatic Stability Management off. It's also, seemingly, impossible to get the car to drift by inertia with out usage of the rear hand brake. It also seems quite difficult to pull of Rally-style drifts where they will seemingly spin around a single point.

[Zing]

I heard GT5 will have power sliding like Mario Kart! Get your snaking practice in now.

[kakomu]

I heard GT5 will have power sliding like Mario Kart! Get your snaking practice in now.
So much for the real life simulator. However, not sure what I was expecting from a game that gives you 5 second penalties for bumping into something in rally.

[Richlough]

I'm surprised the game doesn't penalize you for having fun while playing it .

[kakomu]

I'm surprised the game doesn't penalize you for having fun while playing it .
Isn't that what the 5 second penalties are for? One second you're cruising with a grin, then you bump something and you're forced form 150 to 50 mph. I'm sure that drains joy pretty fast.

[paz9x]

complaining because you have to turn traction control asm ?
like the cars should drift with them on, thats not very likely.

the 5 second penalty pisses me off, not because its there but because of the detection, i hate when the ai car hits me and i get the penalty. the penalty itself makes it a race and not just an exercise in smashing into everything.
gt4 is one of those i love to hate games, like halo2, its cool to hate on it.

[kakomu]

complaining because you have to turn traction control asm ?
like the cars should drift with them on, thats not very likely.
Cars do drift with Traction Control and Stability Management on. Except for GT games, anything I've ever read, watched or heard about drifting never mentions disengaging these electronic components. However, it's not like one could. It's built into the ECU, and even throwing in a racing chipset wouldn't give you THAT much more control.

[paz9x]

Cars do drift with Traction Control and Stability Management on. Except for GT games, anything I've ever read, watched or heard about drifting never mentions disengaging these electronic components. However, it's not like one could. It's built into the ECU, and even throwing in a racing chipset wouldn't give you THAT much more control.
actually its very common to be able to disengage traction control, offhand, the supra allows it. if you get down to it, the majority of the cars dont even have it, but polyphony gives it to all of them to allow a wider audience to be able to successfuly drive the cars.

and as far as the comparison to other games allowing it.......here comes the line......gt4 is the real driving simulator =)

[kakomu]

gt4 is the real driving simulator =)
GT4 is simulation lite. It's the RPG of racing games, but it most certainly isn't a real life driving simulator. Yes, there exist plenty more games out there that simulate driving much, much better. Despite how realistic the game purports to being, it's not very realistic at all.

As for disengaging traction control, only a few cars allow you to do it. And they're all "racing pedigree", like the Lancer Evo VIII. However, the large majority of drifting cars (such as the 240SX [180SX in Japan], Trueno/Corolla, etc) don't have those options, and getting at the components to do so is quite difficult. My friend drifted his Civic (before he got rid of it) with E brake and a wide area. There was nothing modified about that car.

[paz9x]

GT4 is simulation lite. It's the RPG of racing games, but it most certainly isn't a real life driving simulator. Yes, there exist plenty more games out there that simulate driving much, much better. Despite how realistic the game purports to being, it's not very realistic at all.

As for disengaging traction control, only a few cars allow you to do it. And they're all "racing pedigree", like the Lancer Evo VIII. However, the large majority of drifting cars (such as the 240SX [180SX in Japan], Trueno/Corolla, etc) don't have those options, and getting at the components to do so is quite difficult. My friend drifted his Civic (before he got rid of it) with E brake and a wide area. There was nothing modified about that car.

you cant drift a fwd car......you can slide it but you cant drift it.
the drifting cars you listed dont have traction control.
traction control, like the "racing pedigree" traction control is computer controlled throttle and use of abs. the cheaper cars that people drift with dont have that, ie 240/corolla.

im curious what other games simulate driving better. not for arguements sake im just curious.

[kakomu]

you cant drift a fwd car......you can slide it but you cant drift it.
the drifting cars you listed dont have traction control.
traction control, like the "racing pedigree" traction control is computer controlled throttle and use of abs. the cheaper cars that people drift with dont have that, ie 240/corolla.

im curious what other games simulate driving better. not for arguements sake im just curious.
You can drift FWD cars. You just can't initiate the drift making the tires slip with a lot of torque. It's an E-Brake Drift, which is the same type of drift that Rally drivers utilize.

For sim games, go to http://www.simhq.com/

As for the lack of Traction control in cars, guess that's another thing that GT does that's totally unrealistic.

[kainzero]

I'm annoyed by drifting in GT3/4. In order to really drift, you have to turn traction contral and Automatic Stability Management off. It's also, seemingly, impossible to get the car to drift by inertia with out usage of the rear hand brake. It also seems quite difficult to pull of Rally-style drifts where they will seemingly spin around a single point.
people turn of TCS and ASM because it helps. why would you want to drift against a control mechanism that prevents drift?

never managed to play the hell out of gt4 to drift in it, but i could in gt3. never used the handbrake. use sim tires.

[kakomu]

people turn of TCS and ASM because it helps. why would you want to drift against a control mechanism that prevents drift?

never managed to play the hell out of gt4 to drift in it, but i could in gt3. never used the handbrake. use sim tires.
I want to drift to win a race, not to be showy. I want Traction Control and ASM so that my car doesn't fishtail and become squirrely when I accelerate hard. However, why does GT put these "features" in cars that shouldn't come with them in the first place?

[RelentlessRolento]

I don't play much racing, but I have a hard time enjoying GT4 at all due to drifting not being too accessable... racing is alot more fun usually with good drifting ala Driver, Mario Kart, Ridge Racer, etc.

[paz9x]

I want to drift to win a race, not to be showy. I want Traction Control and ASM so that my car doesn't fishtail and become squirrely when I accelerate hard. However, why does GT put these "features" in cars that shouldn't come with them in the first place?
thats exactly what im talking about....nit-pick for nit-pickings sake.
its cool to hate on the gt games.

i addressed that in a previous post, its to make the game more accessible, and thats why they can be turned off.
so people who suck can be competitive. to drive a car the has power requires technique above gassing it and heading towards the finish line.

and drifting slows you down, its not the most effective method to get around a track. never saw aryton senna drifting.

[kakomu]

and drifting slows you down, its not the most effective method to get around a track. never saw aryton senna drifting.
Watch any Rally race. You won't see a driver win without a drift or slide.

[evanft]

That's why I like Forza more. You can turn off the traction control, etc. to drift.

[kainzero]

Watch any Rally race. You won't see a driver win without a drift or slide.
that's why paz9x said "track" and not rally course.
drifting for speed sucks on asphalt.

also if you don't want your car to fishtail when you accelerate hard, don't accelerate hard. besides, if you're fishtailing you're not getting enough grip to accelerate, asm/tcs just automates the process of braking/mild accelerating for you.

you can still drift with tcs/asm on a rally course anyway, dirt has so much less friction than asphalt.

That's why I like Forza more. You can turn off the traction control, etc. to drift.
you can turn it off in GT too. you can even turn it off in GT2.

[LaseK]

This game has amazing graphics. ;_;

[kakomu]

that's why paz9x said "track" and not rally course.
drifting for speed sucks on asphalt.
They still drift on asphalt (Tarmac in Europe. Not sure if there's too much of a physical difference). They will instigate 180 degree turns on hairpin corners by using their hand brake.

In the near future, I can post some video clips of some tarmac slides and drifts.

[paz9x]

They still drift on asphalt (Tarmac in Europe. Not sure if there's too much of a physical difference). They will instigate 180 degree turns on hairpin corners by using their hand brake.

In the near future, I can post some video clips of some tarmac slides and drifts.
i was refering to the track type displayed in the video
im a wrc fan, at least i used to be up until the second year burns was with mitsu. drifting requires throttle usage to propel the slide. and the rally cars have power going through the rear wheels to acheive that. (the hairpins you mentioned however usually arent drifts but again handbrake slides)
if i recall its pretty much impossible to not drift across a dirt/snow track in gt4.

i dont understand why lack of drifting would be brought up and you would bring up the rally portion of the game in which you can almost snake the cars down the track, it seems to counter your original point.

[kainzero]

They still drift on asphalt (Tarmac in Europe. Not sure if there's too much of a physical difference). They will instigate 180 degree turns on hairpin corners by using their hand brake.

In the near future, I can post some video clips of some tarmac slides and drifts.
so what's your point, what are you trying to argue?

in gt3/gt4 it is perfectly possible to drift on a rally course with tcs/asm, using handbrake or not, and of course in some respects you'll go faster while drifting than gripping.

it is also possible to drift on tarmac/asphalt with tcs/asm and using inertial methods, without using the handbrake, although tcs/asm act against the very nature of drifting. you can use the handbrake to drift some 180 turns for "speed," i've drifted /slid plenty of times on the grand valley speedway on the hairpin after the first corner using an "overpower" technique.

all of your reasons for disliking gt3/gt4's methods of drifting don't make any sense and when we bring up an argument you come back with another random case that doesn't even apply.

[Quackzilla]

GT4 is one of them 'realistic games' where they just have sissy drifting.