xenosaga a top tier rpg

[paz9x]

im 14 hours in, the game has nothing that is making me feel like i should be investing my time into it.

i was under the impression that this was one of the better rpgs this gen.

am i missing something?

[mykevermin]

am i missing something?
clearly. :lol:

[Apossum]

the cutscenes are cool, but I really liked the skill and battle systems--those are what kept me into it (and why XS2 sucked so badly...all of it was simplified)

[Cornfedwb]

Are you an RPG fan? If so.. really dunno what you missed.

[The Successful Dropout]

im 14 hours in, the game has nothing that is making feel lik ei shoul be investing my time into it.

i was under the impression that this was one of th ebetter rpgs this gen.

am i missing something?

maybe you missed the bus? :lol:

[Mookyjooky]

im 14 hours in, the game has nothing that is making feel lik ei shoul be investing my time into it.

i was under the impression that this was one of th ebetter rpgs this gen.

am i missing something?

A spacebar that works correctly.

[fatbeer]

You meant to play xenogears not xenosaga.The xeno series is never based on fanastic combat,it is mostly based on great story telling.The combat system for all 3 are subpar.

Xenogears is like a great book,many text reading due to lack of talking or voice recording and few cinematics

Xenosaga is like a movie,it have many cinematics and have lots of talking,but has very little gameplay

I rather read the scprit then playing the video game unless you hate reading text and prefer visual image and sounds.

[Kayden]

im 14 hours in, the game has nothing that is making feel lik ei shoul be investing my time into it.

i was under the impression that this was one of th ebetter rpgs this gen.

am i missing something?

I'd say most of your k-12 English classes... :roll:

[paz9x]

fucking comedians are in full force this morning.

while youre all here, maybe you could tutor me?
or get the fuck outta the thread with the wisecracks
last time i checked it wasnt cheappasstyping.com


i am an rpg fan, its my favorite genre.
maybe my expectations were too high, i was hoping to get some posts
regarding the story coming together, its very convoluted so far.

but maybe locking the thread is in order as im not thinking thats going to happen.

[Mookyjooky]

fucking comedians are in full force this morning.

while youre all here, maybe you could tutor me?
or get the fuck outta the thread with the wisecracks
last time i checked it wasnt cheappasstyping.com


i am an rpg fan, its my favorite genre.
maybe my expectations were too high, i was hoping to get some posts
regarding the story coming together, its very convoluted so far.

but maybe locking the thread is in order as im not thinking thats going to happen.

fuck fuck fuck .... Im so angry!! ARRRG! fuck fuck fuck

[paz9x]

im so angry i need to go on myspace and cry my eyes out

[Mookyjooky]

im so angry i need to go on myspace and cry my eyes out

http://moblog.co.uk/blogs/992/moblog_e8ad1425c9e22.jpg

[xrickyb86x]

it's easy to see why some people don't really like it. i loved it (xs 2 sucked though). but it's clear to see why everyone might not jump on the xenosaga bandwagon.

[Pookymeister]

i just hope my 11 sealed non-gh copies are worth something later

[sarausagi]

If you took the time to understand the intricacies of the story, if you took the time to understand the battle system, you would find why it is a top tier RPG, if not the best on PS2.

But I will admit that the first fourteen hours might not appeal to everyone, there are more cut scenes than one truly could ask for, but honestly, how could you not love Shion?

Besides, the best part of the game is Momo, put some time into her, not only does she become the -strongest- character in the whole game, but she is super adorable!

And Jr. sucks, Chaos is the anti Christ, and man, Shion looks hot without her jacket.

[girl with certain tendencies]

[paz9x]

If you took the time to understand the intricacies of the story, if you took the time to understand the battle system, you would find why it is a top tier RPG, if not the best on PS2.

But I will admit that the first fourteen hours might not appeal to everyone, there are more cut scenes than one truly could ask for, but honestly, how could you not love Shion?

Besides, the best part of the game is Momo, put some time into her, not only does she become the -strongest- character in the whole game, but she is super adorable!

And Jr. sucks, Chaos is the anti Christ, and man, Shion looks hot without her jacket.

[girl with certain tendencies]

ive been using shion kosmos and chaos mostly
i remember liking it initially then i stopped playing it for a while and came back and put about 7 hours in and thats where im at now.


fucking hitler was an emo kid, thats awesome. thanks for the laugh.

[WebScud]

maybe you missed the bus? :lol:

A rush of lyrics and misworn clothing has rushed into my mind. I can Scud rap that if you want. In fact, I think I still have that album somewhere...

[willardhaven]

No, Xenosaga is a weak RPG with good visuals and music.

[mietha]

Xenosaga is one of the best RPGs ever. Period. And you're not supposed to know what's going on. The story arc is nine games long (xenogears is 5, btw), it would be pretty pointless to reveal everything in the first 14 hours of the first game. It is the second best RPG of the last decade (FFX is the best, of course, and Shadowhearts is DAMN good, and far too overlooked). However, Xenosaga II is, without question, the biggest dissappointment in a long time. I preordered the damn thing, and still haven't even bothered to finish it. It's just that bad. From the combat system, to the altered art and voices, everything is just wrong. And Jr. rules. I'm with you on chaos however. And by RPG, i mean traditional RPG. If you throw the KOTORs in the mix, I'm not sure what order I would put them in.

[Oktoberfest]

The Xenosaga story is quite confusing, but the game still rules. The story does come together better around the end, though

[Allnatural]

I was rather surpirsed at how much I enjoyed the game. Granted, I was bored senseless for the first few hours, but once I hit the narrative hook I couldn't stop playing.

Shame they dropped the ball with XS2. Still like the game, but vastly inferior to its predecessor.

[camoor]

If you took the time to understand the intricacies of the story, if you took the time to understand the battle system, you would find why it is a top tier RPG, if not the best on PS2.

But I will admit that the first fourteen hours might not appeal to everyone, there are more cut scenes than one truly could ask for, but honestly, how could you not love Shion?

Besides, the best part of the game is Momo, put some time into her, not only does she become the -strongest- character in the whole game, but she is super adorable!

And Jr. sucks, Chaos is the anti Christ, and man, Shion looks hot without her jacket.

[girl with certain tendencies]

Man, I'm the opposite. Shion is freaking annoying (will she please shut up about her damn ghost "sisters"), but Chaos, Junior, and of course Kos-Mos are badass. Ziggy was way cooler in ep. 1, and how can you not like Momo.

Margulis was my favorite character villan in the first. So clever - creating sigils with his sword and then projecting them onto you. WTF happened with episode 2, after the first 30 minutes they really dropped the ball.

[fatbeer]

The character I hate the most in that series is Albedo. His laugh is very annoying.Every single dialog he keeps laughing.Don't he know the supervillian rule #1 make a evil laughter after revealing evil plan or evil intentions.God,don't butcher it by laughing every second like a hyena.

[Zing]

I will give you an honest response:
The game is boring. Do yourself a favor and pick a different RPG now before you waste any more time. If you want to watch hours of cutscenes you can just put in a DVD video or even read a book.

[c]

I am a HUGE fan of the Xenosaga series, but I think all three games have been really pretty boring (this includes Xenogears). I don't want to start a flame war or anything; this is just my personal opinion. I love the games for their characters, storyline, and intelligent religious overtones.

In regards to Xenosaga Ep. 1, like I said, I find the game boring as hell, UNTIL the last few scenes of the game in which it really picks up. I almost cried at the ending because it was sooooo Xenogears-ish and it filled me with hope for the series. also, chaos is probably my favorite character of this console generation due to his anti-RPG-cliche attitude. In my opinion, to get the most out of Ep. 1, play through it once and get it over with, then watch the DVD to remind you what the hell happened 40 hours ago, then buy the soundtrack to hear all the music they chopped to pieces in the game. Then hopefully you'll love it like I do.

Xenosaga Ep. 2 actually is much more fast-paced in terms of story development, but the presentation's a bit off. The story continues to be great though, IMO.

I just hope the DVDenize the whole series like they did for Ep. 1, because that would spare me the boring pain of ever having to endure either game ever again.

[The Successful Dropout]

A rush of lyrics and misworn clothing has rushed into my mind. I can Scud rap that if you want. In fact, I think I still have that album somewhere...

i know i still have it...and now i'm sad :lol:

[Apossum]

Xenosaga is one of the best RPGs ever. Period. And you're not supposed to know what's going on. The story arc is nine games long (xenogears is 5, btw), it would be pretty pointless to reveal everything in the first 14 hours of the first game.


didn't they change it so 3 will be the last one (since 2 was so shitty)? If they did, then I have my doubts it'll ever make any sense.

[mykevermin]

didn't they change it so 3 will be the last one (since 2 was so shitty)? If they did, then I have my doubts it'll ever make any sense.

I think you're right. It's interesting to consider that they're combining the first two, "unedited," so to speak (in terms of content, but I dunno about story development) for play on the DS.

At least, unlike Shenmue, these motherfuckers will get to finish their story.

[dcfox]

Xenosaga is one of the best RPGs ever. Period. And you're not supposed to know what's going on. The story arc is nine games long (xenogears is 5, btw), it would be pretty pointless to reveal everything in the first 14 hours of the first game. It is the second best RPG of the last decade (FFX is the best, of course, and Shadowhearts is DAMN good, and far too overlooked). However, Xenosaga II is, without question, the biggest dissappointment in a long time. I preordered the damn thing, and still haven't even bothered to finish it. It's just that bad. From the combat system, to the altered art and voices, everything is just wrong. And Jr. rules. I'm with you on chaos however. And by RPG, i mean traditional RPG. If you throw the KOTORs in the mix, I'm not sure what order I would put them in.
Between FFX (even X-2) and Shadow Hearts, I would say Xenosaga is the weakest of the three in every respect. I absolutely hated the battle system. I couldn't boost to save my own life and I never used the AGWS (sp?). The graphics were bland and sterile, but I guess I could have been because of the sci-fi setting. The music was okay, but nothing really stands out. But, however, in the end the story was engaging enough to make me finish the game. I have episode II, but I doubt that'll be seeing any play time soon.

[sarausagi]

Between FFX (even X-2) and Shadow Hearts, I would say Xenosaga is the weakest of the three in every respect. I absolutely hated the battle system. I couldn't boost to save my own life and I never used the AGWS (sp?). The graphics were bland and sterile, but I guess I could have been because of the sci-fi setting. The music was okay, but nothing really stands out. But, however, in the end the story was engaging enough to make me finish the game. I have episode II, but I doubt that'll be seeing any play time soon.

"Couldn't boost to save my life", that's the most common opinion I've heard

1. Boost 1, transfer it to your main party, everyone should have it, no excuse.

2. Set up natural boosts on the "BOOST UP" EVENT SLOT [looks like a ring]

3. Kill every enemy on the "MULTIPLIER" slot, even the worst battles [in terms of T/E/S points] can give you 100 points on a x4 multiplier. Put every point into stats until you are maxed out, work on getting two techs [one near, one far] to level 10/HI SPEED, wait 0.

4. Don't use AGWS, don't back row anyone, unless you're fighting a boss and you're trying to set up a chain, the best strategy is offense, offense, offense.

5. Don't use Jr: not enough variety in standard attacks, only one good tech attack, and average stats: a maxed out Momo is right up with Kos-Mos and Shion's the best all rounder. People talk wonders of Jr/brave soul/golden dice/hemlock but fact is that Momo with Gemini Clock, White Ring, Booster Pack, and complimenting skills [Double Buster, Revenge Power, etc] can take out the final boss and Din Gareth in less than three turns [Momo's Kiss averaging out around 2500 points critical at level 15]

[Apossum]

all i know is magna carta may be the worst rpg on the system (see my recent post) :lol:

[camoor]

Between FFX (even X-2) and Shadow Hearts, I would say Xenosaga is the weakest of the three in every respect. I absolutely hated the battle system. I couldn't boost to save my own life and I never used the AGWS (sp?). The graphics were bland and sterile, but I guess I could have been because of the sci-fi setting. The music was okay, but nothing really stands out. But, however, in the end the story was engaging enough to make me finish the game. I have episode II, but I doubt that'll be seeing any play time soon.

For the life of me, I'll never see what others see in Shadow Hearts. Some neat ideas in terms of story presentation, but terrible gameplay, boring enemy models, and cliche to the max characters.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I liked Xenosaga after I accepted that it was a movie and not a game. Its a very good movie.

[Megalith]

Didn't you hear.

Xenosaga is one of the worst games ever made.

Anime fans seem to like it, but they aren't necessarily human.

[alongx]

Xenosaga is one of the best RPGs ever. Period. And you're not supposed to know what's going on. The story arc is nine games long (xenogears is 5, btw)

Three sentences and one fragment in and you're already getting facts wrong.

Xenogears was meant to be game 5 in a 6 game arc.

Xenosaga 1 and 2 were meant to be the first twi titles from a completely different six game arc. Though similarities were built in, Xenogears and Xenosaga are not directly related. Also, your theory falls apart when you consider that they're collapsing what should have been Xenosaga 3-6 into just Xenosaga 3 (that title will be the end of the series).

Xenosaga's story arc thus far is very convoluted. Then again, the first 25 hours of Xenogears was extremely convoluted, and this is the same team. The third game will be the meat of the series, since the first two games are really like an extended prologue [see the second game's finale for proof]. The first game at least had a decent fighting system - one I'd take over Final Fantasy or *shudder* Dragon Quest any day - but the story isn't satisfying enough and there's too much cutscene. It took me 30 hours to beat Xenosaga 1, and that includes 9.5 hours of cutscenes.

[Chacrana]

Three sentences and one fragment in and you're already getting facts wrong.

Xenogears was meant to be game 5 in a 6 game arc.

Xenosaga 1 and 2 were meant to be the first twi titles from a completely different six game arc. Though similarities were built in, Xenogears and Xenosaga are not directly related. Also, your theory falls apart when you consider that they're collapsing what should have been Xenosaga 3-6 into just Xenosaga 3 (that title will be the end of the series).

Xenosaga's story arc thus far is very convoluted. Then again, the first 25 hours of Xenogears was extremely convoluted, and this is the same team. The third game will be the meat of the series, since the first two games are really like an extended prologue [see the second game's finale for proof]. The first game at least had a decent fighting system - one I'd take over Final Fantasy or *shudder* Dragon Quest any day - but the story isn't satisfying enough and there's too much cutscene. It took me 30 hours to beat Xenosaga 1, and that includes 9.5 hours of cutscenes.

The second game's ending had so many "holy shit" moments where you realize how some things fit into place and you start to see connections to Xenogears. I pray that Xenosaga III blows us all away and successfully bridges Xenosaga and Xenogears.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Theres not a strong male lead character in the spirit that Fei was.
Shion is no Elly.

The series may have similarities, especially in the naming scheme when you have things like, Merkabah.

But I think they're not going to try to attempt a blatent, direct link between the two series.

[Oktoberfest]

not to mention the save points!

But I think Shion and Fei are similar in that they both have messed up pasts

[kamui34]

Olny finished Xenosaga I and haven't opened my sealed copy of Episode II so I can't comment much.

While the cinematics are very entertaining and tell you of a deep rich story, I feel that the IN-between the cutscenes is what killed the game. The combat system was annoying to hell and AGWS were sub-par and never used. The lack of ambient music when travelling from one location to another, the lifeless environements (can't really call those towns as in a typical RPG) dull the mind when you're not watching the cutscenes.

Yasunori Mitsuda's composition was weaker in my opnion compared to his works in Xenogears and the strange subbing doesn't help (I'm an anime fan so I prefer the original voices with subtitles).

Not a bad game but neiher one I would compare to a top tier RPG considering superior titles out there.

As for the storyline... I don't think we can expect much for Episode III since half (or more) of the original team left the project. Could explain why things are so convulted damnit.

[c]

Three sentences and one fragment in and you're already getting facts wrong.

Xenogears was meant to be game 5 in a 6 game arc.

Xenosaga 1 and 2 were meant to be the first twi titles from a completely different six game arc. Though similarities were built in, Xenogears and Xenosaga are not directly related. Also, your theory falls apart when you consider that they're collapsing what should have been Xenosaga 3-6 into just Xenosaga 3 (that title will be the end of the series).

Xenosaga's story arc thus far is very convoluted. Then again, the first 25 hours of Xenogears was extremely convoluted, and this is the same team. The third game will be the meat of the series, since the first two games are really like an extended prologue [see the second game's finale for proof]. The first game at least had a decent fighting system - one I'd take over Final Fantasy or *shudder* Dragon Quest any day - but the story isn't satisfying enough and there's too much cutscene. It took me 30 hours to beat Xenosaga 1, and that includes 9.5 hours of cutscenes.
God what the fuck you are so wrong.

How can you say it's not set in the same universe when the beginning of Episode Two tells you the year in TC, and it completely matches where Episode Two should be according to Xenogears Perfect Works.

God why did I even write this.

Edit: Oh. You hate Dragon Quest. Now it all makes sense. You're one of THOSE people. This is why I should stay off the internet. You guys run the place.

[pete5883]

How can you say it's not set in the same universe when the beginning of Episode Two tells you the year in TC, and it completely matches where Episode Two should be according to Xenogears Perfect Works.

Not quite. Xenogears Episode II was Cain and Abel on the Xenogears planet. Xenosaga Episode II is pretty much still covering Xenogears Episode I. Also there are some discrepancies between XG & XS regarding things like the original discovery of the Zohar. Haven't read much about it in a while, but while the universes have some obvious similarities, differences have been found.

[jngx80]

I couldn't stand Xenosaga. I got to where Kos-mos was introduced and then just gave up on it, which was probably around 2-3 hours in.

The cinematics were awful - pretty much standard anime stuff with the guy liking the girl but can't get the nerves to show his feelings meanwhile the whole crew laughs. The graphics were very bland and had no flair in the design (Galerians: Ash - a mediocre game released like 3 years ago had better designs than it). And to make it worst it was so sci-fi; it felt completely different from Xenogears.

I sold it but then recently picked up Xenosaga 2 from the CC sale. Everyone seems to agree that Xenosaga 2 is worst than the first game so should I even keep it? I was planning to buy Xenosaga on the cheap (find it under $10) and force myself to play it.

And did the same team even get to finish part 3? I thought I read somewhere that they got the boot.

[pete5883]

The cinematics were awful - pretty much standard anime stuff with the guy liking the girl but can't get the nerves to show his feelings meanwhile the whole crew laughs. Yeah Allen's wussiness is pretty dumb, but it rarely comes up after the first couple minutes of the game. Out of 7.5 hours worth of cutscenes, I'd say it accounts for no more than 10 minutes.

[c]

this thread actually kinda pisses me off. you guys gave up on the game way too easily.

[sarausagi]

this thread actually kinda pisses me off. you guys gave up on the game way too easily.

These threads always make me mad. I think the thing is, the franchise was doomed from the start, because the only people who supported it were people who loved the first "game" for what it truly was. The overwhelming majority of people who say things like "I loved Xenogears but hated Xenosaga" are the same people who constantly bashed disc two of Gears. So people came in -with- a negative attitude, add to that the fact that the most important characters in the game are female [okay, one's an android and one's a test tube baby, but still] and that it's a very story driven piece, and you have a sure miss.

What makes me mad though, is that there's another series in which people don't seem to care that there's just as many cut scenes, even more text dialog, and an equally small amount of gameplay. The series in question is Metal Gear Solid. There's just as many anime cliche and worse, Hollywood cliche, in the series, especially the ones on PS2. Aside from that, people are just lazy, they don't bother paying attention to the in game tutorials [and they're SHORT] or read the instruction manual. Still though, people are blind, they say "too many cut scenes too many cut scenes" but the quickest play through I can get is 40 hours, and that's 9 hours of cut scenes. 30 hours of gameplay is perfectly respectable, especially when it's so well polished and lavishly presented.

The worst thing is, they listened to the gamers with Episode 2, and it backfired completely: they still weren't happy. And the people who did love Episode 1, were completely disappointed, because Episode 2 was the complete opposite. Why even go through a game if the gameplay is a chore? I can evade most every encounter in Episode 1, but I don't, because I actually enjoy going through each battle big and small. No game has really done that for me, even Final Fantasy, I find myself leveling just to get "No Encounter" or a high luck skill just to not have to go through so many battles.

Yet Nippon Ichi is rolling in the dough..sad world, really.

[c]

What makes me mad though, is that there's another series in which people don't seem to care that there's just as many cut scenes, even more text dialog, and an equally small amount of gameplay. The series in question is Metal Gear Solid. There's just as many anime cliche and worse, Hollywood cliche, in the series, especially the ones on PS2.
I liked your whole post, but this in particular is an excellent point. I'll be using this in future Xenosaga debates, I'm sure.. haha.

[c]

Not quite. Xenogears Episode II was Cain and Abel on the Xenogears planet. Xenosaga Episode II is pretty much still covering Xenogears Episode I. Also there are some discrepancies between XG & XS regarding things like the original discovery of the Zohar. Haven't read much about it in a while, but while the universes have some obvious similarities, differences have been found.
You're right on that. XS Ep 2 is still in XG Ep 1 territory. Nevertheless, it is following the storyline laid out in Perfect Works down to the date (!), and I therefore believe that the Perfect Works timeline was adapted slightly so as to facilitate being put into playable video games. Imagine covering all of what XG Ep 1 was SUPPOSED to cover in one game, while still trying to establish characters and things like that. It would have been possible, but the balance of gameplay/cutscene would have been thrown off a lot more. Seeing how much people have complained about XS Ep 1 as it was, that wouldn'ta been good.

[alongx]

You're right on that. XS Ep 2 is still in XG Ep 1 territory. Nevertheless, it is following the storyline laid out in Perfect Works down to the date (!), and I therefore believe that the Perfect Works timeline was adapted slightly so as to facilitate being put into playable video games. Imagine covering all of what XG Ep 1 was SUPPOSED to cover in one game, while still trying to establish characters and things like that. It would have been possible, but the balance of gameplay/cutscene would have been thrown off a lot more. Seeing how much people have complained about XS Ep 1 as it was, that wouldn'ta been good.

You do a good job of proving that the Xenogears/Xenosaga team are unoriginal, but haven't proved that Xenosaga is the beginning of a series that Xenogears ended. Pete5883 hit the nail on the head - there are a lot of similarities, but there's nothing saying they're the same series.

Also, note that Perfect Works was a layout for the 6 Xenogears games. It was layed out to be games. No adaptation should have been required. As it is, Xenogears had more story, character development, etc, in it than Xenosaga 1 and 2 combined did. Both Xenosaga games were short (I beat both in probably less than 50 hours total) and the Xenosaga games could have been made to fit the Perfect Works arc if they were intended to be pieces of that arc. Which they aren't.

Then again, you'll probably argue your point to the death, despite having no conclusive facts. You're one of those people, the kind that overcrowd the internet, the ones that can never allow themselves to be proven wrong, even when they are.

[xrickyb86x]

i'll just say this... i hate anime but love xenosaga.

the only thing i can see people turned off by are long cutscenes.

give me an rpg where the characters aren't cliche. having cliche characters does not equal a bad game... ff7?

if you coudn't last past the first few cutscenes in xenosaga that's totally understandable but please don't knock the gameplay. it is solid.

[c]

Then again, you'll probably argue your point to the death, despite having no conclusive facts. You're one of those people, the kind that overcrowd the internet, the ones that can never allow themselves to be proven wrong, even when they are.

I like this paragraph a lot.. Unfortunately, you're actually wrong on this. : \

Edit: You did succeed in making me feel like a total cunt, if it's any consolation.

[kakomu]

You meant to play xenogears not xenosaga.The xeno series is never based on fanastic combat,it is mostly based on great story telling.
The "great story telling" was hard to see behind all the muddled dialogue.

[kainzero]

i loved xenogears but hated xenosaga.
xenogears disc 2 was alright, the story still developed itself pretty well, i didn't mind the lack of gameplay.

the thing with xenosaga that i really disliked is the pacing. cutscene this, cutscene that, but i really, really hated watching a halfhour long cutscene followed by 2-3 hours of dungeon crawling. when i played, i didn't really feel like i was playing the story, but the dungeon crawl was just there to give it some gameplay before going back to the story. and i HATED the dungeon crawls.

the story, i didn't get it. they threw too much symbolism and garbage at you and would explain it in later episodes. i'm not motivated to figure out what they're talking about, because they do a poor job of it. "the thing that happend in that year because of the thing we must avoid again!" what, come again? i didn't go out and get the second part, merely because i didn't want to buy something to explain the first part. that's kinda weak. yeah, xenogears did a fair bit with cain meetings and that orb with a bunch of people in it, but not as much or as blatantly as xenosaga.

the character design was alright. momo was cool and ziggy too. shion was whiny, kos-mos and jr. were whatever, and why did chaos have that lump in his shorts? that was quite disturbing.

[Baron O Hell]

Yeah if you don't like anime I don't see how you would like xenosaga. I never played a game with so many cutscenes in it. For me the cutscenes were a bonus that added to the joy of playing the game. Sure there is little real action in the first part but the rate the movies pop up will cut down as you move through the game. It should also be noted that you can pause the movies. Don't you just hate it when you are half way through a long ass cutscene and someone comes along to bug you.

[asianxcore]

so for someone who has never played any of the games, which is better...

Xenogears or Xenosaga.

[Baron O Hell]

Neither for me. They were both good in their own way. hmmmm well xenosaga had more mini games that I found fun.

[Chacrana]

this thread actually kinda pisses me off. you guys gave up on the game way too easily.

Yeah really. I liked the first few hours of Xenosaga, but after you hit a certain point, the game becomes really, really good. I still don't think that the Xenosaga series is as good as Xenogears, but I absolutely love it.

[pete5883]

so for someone who has never played any of the games, which is better...

Xenogears or Xenosaga.
If you can deal with a last-gen game, w/ lots of text, Xenogears.