Has nintendo done it [Mobile/Archive]

mercilessming

03-12-2006, 09:30 PM

whoknows

03-12-2006, 09:40 PM

Thats pretty cool, I wouldnt be suprised if Microsoft got pushed to 3rd, in fact I hope it does happen. Sony is my favorite due to the awesome exclusives on it (DMC, MGS, KZ, etc..) and Nintendo is easily higher on my list than Microsoft due to their exlusive games...I cant really find any Xbox exclusive games that make me really want one...

RelentlessRolento

03-12-2006, 09:43 PM

im just surprised that M$ is not #3... everything points to them being so, but they have defied the odds... maybe their time is up (oh, God please!)

Awsome to hear this though. On a side note, if in the long run I afford buying a unreal engine, I would love to work on the rev with it.

terribledeli

03-12-2006, 09:47 PM

evanft

03-12-2006, 10:10 PM

Does it mean the Revolution will be as powerul as the 360 or PS3? Or does it mean the Unreal Engine 3 is going to be watered down?

The article even admits that because its designed to be scalable, it should be able to run on all consoles.

I'm pulling it completely out of my ass but I'd be willing to bet that the current generations could run the Unreal Engine 3 to some degree.

edit:proof reading errors.

You hit the nail right on the head. Running the engine and running Gears of War aren't the same thing. I mean, wasn't Quake on the PS1 and N64? Would that mean that those consoles could play Half-Life because it runs on the Quake engine? Of course not.

botticus

03-12-2006, 10:18 PM

This is good news in the sense that, as the article says, it will make cross-platform development much easier for games with the Unreal engine. It certainly does not say that the Rev will be as powerful as the 360, because I can't see how that could ever be true.

Strell

03-12-2006, 10:23 PM

This was sort of confirmed a while ago when some information appeared on a company's website stating that some game was coming to the Rev, and it was built on the U3 engine.

I want to say it was from Midway or Acclaim or someone like that.

Meh. I doubt I'd be buying an FPS outside of Metroid or some new IP, but we'll see.

The graphics this generation will be, more or less, the same situation next gen, where only the biggest fanboys will honestly take a lot of note. To the average person, they will all essentially look the same. There will be differences, sure, but in the end it won't be incredibly different.

paz9x

03-12-2006, 10:31 PM

i know its been said before but, i really dont understand the whole rev graphics arent going to be that good.

the gc had some very good visuals. the rev will be better. id bet the first few gens of games for all three systems will look very very comparable.

RedvsBlue

03-12-2006, 10:33 PM

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/01/28/revolution-can-handle-unreal-engine-3/

Of course the point of Game Engine Scalablity is true, are we looking at Nintendo coming out swinging on a wider audience gameing and powerful enough to push Microsoft to number 3?

My opinion, in a world where what you read about console was true then
1) Sony (market share does alot of gaurantee this)
2) Nintendo (comes out being aleast as powerful as Microsoft)
3) Microsoft (loses because they came out first and set the bar for others to meet or surpass)

Yes many of us are fanboys for certain systems, but Sony does have the market share and Nintendo has the hearts and past of many gamers. Leaving microsoft kinda out in teh cold due to a somewhat weaker lineup/fanchises and customer dissatification with xbox360.
If that were true, then why is PS2 number 1 system this generation, hands down?

This is really getting out of hand. Why does everyone need for their system to be number 1? Can't you just enjoy the fucking thing instead of people posting how Nintendo is number 1 this generation because they sold the most 1st party titles. Now everyone in this thread is hoping for Microsoft's demise this generation because, well I guess no one has a good reason aside from their blind hatred for a system they've never touched.

VanillaGorilla

03-12-2006, 10:34 PM

Good to know that UR3 will power all of the Revolutuon's fishing, fencing, and knife-simulation games.

seanr1221

03-12-2006, 10:40 PM

This is really getting out of hand. Why does everyone need for their system to be number 1? Can't you just enjoy the ing thing instead of people posting how Nintendo is number 1 this generation because they sold the most 1st party titles. Now everyone in this thread is hoping for Microsoft's demise this generation because, well I guess no one has a good reason aside from their blind hatred for a system they've never touched.

:applause:

Great point. The company that will be number 1 next generation will be the one that's most popular to the casual fans. But does it matter? As long as competition remains, things are good. You people say you want Microsoft to die off, why the fuck would you want a competitor to die off? Competition is a GREAT thing! Anyway, I predict next gen will be like this gen....1.) Sony 2.) The 360 and 3.) Revolution.

I get the feeling a lot of consumers, sadly, will not find the revolution to be cool...which would lead to it being in 3rd place. But hey, what's my opinion worth?

Strell

03-12-2006, 10:44 PM

Good to know that UR3 will power all of the Revolutuon's fishing, fencing, and knife-simulation games.

I want a Revolutuon. It sounds hot.

RedvsBlue

03-12-2006, 10:51 PM

:applause:

Great point. The company that will be number 1 next generation will be the one that's most popular to the casual fans. But does it matter? As long as competition remains, things are good. You people say you want Microsoft to die off, why the fuck would you want a competitor to die off? Competition is a GREAT thing! Anyway, I predict next gen will be like this gen....1.) Sony 2.) The 360 and 3.) Revolution.

I get the feeling a lot of consumers, sadly, will not find the revolution to be cool...which would lead to it being in 3rd place. But hey, what's my opinion worth?

You know, to tell you the truth, I could care less about the number 1, 2, or 3. I bought a 360, I may purchase another system but after seeing almost EVERY single game I was excited about end up going multi-platform this generation, I'll probably just stick with my 360.

As far as I'm concerned the other 2 can sell millions, or sell none but as long as my 360 keeps getting the games I want to play, I could care-fucking-less. Why can't everyone just have the same attitude for their system of choice?

terribledeli

03-12-2006, 10:53 PM

As far as I'm concerned the other 2 can sell millions, or sell none but as long as my 360 keeps getting the games I want to play, I could care-fucking-less. Why can't everyone just have the same attitude for their system of choice?

Thats all I care about. Folks can enjoy their respective exclusives, as long as Moore doesn't pull the plug on my console..I could care less if Nintendo or Sony sells eleventy kajillion consoles.

evanft

03-12-2006, 10:56 PM

If that were true, then why is PS2 number 1 system this generation, hands down?

*ahem*
http://web-japan.org/kidsweb/cool/98-10-12/dreamcast.jpg

seanr1221

03-12-2006, 11:03 PM

Aw dreamcast...I bought it JUST for the Marvel vs Capcom games :D

Oh and Soul Calibur ;)

RelentlessRolento

03-12-2006, 11:15 PM

Meh. I doubt I'd be buying an FPS outside of Metroid or some new IP, but we'll see.

um.. I think you might be missing the point that engines don't necessarily focus on a genre. The unreal engine is being used for multiple genres' but is primarily based off of FPS.

Reality's Fringe

03-12-2006, 11:16 PM

Everyone is missing the real reason Nintendo will win the next-gen console war:
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/265.jpg

Bam.

Strell

03-12-2006, 11:17 PM

um.. I think you might be missing the point that engines don't necessarily focus on a genre. The unreal engine is being used for multiple genres' but is primarily based off of FPS.

Most games that will use that engine will probably be FPSes.

That's all I'm getting at.

RedvsBlue

03-12-2006, 11:19 PM

*ahem*
http://web-japan.org/kidsweb/cool/98-10-12/dreamcast.jpg

The 360 is already more of a success than the Dreamcast was. I'm not talking about units sold because frankly I don't know the numbers of either well enough to make any assertions but I'm talking about market penetration. Was anyone beating down the doors of retailers in the christmas of '99 to buy a dreamcast? nope.

Dr Mario Kart

03-12-2006, 11:30 PM

Thats all I care about. Folks can enjoy their respective exclusives, as long as Moore doesn't pull the plug on my console..I could care less if Nintendo or Sony sells eleventy kajillion consoles.

Marketshare woos 3rd parties. You should care about how well the company that makes your favorite platform does, because the further they are away from dead, the further away they are form actually pulling the plug on your console.

You want third parties to make a great diversity of games for your favorite system, so if you care about that, you care about what your company's marketshare is.

If you are a gamecube fan, you pretty much got nothing except Twilight Princess to look forward to. That has to be a bit disappointing. Certainly if the Gamecube had an awesome marketshare that would convince more people to develop for it, you would have more games, and thus, less disappointment.

FriskyTanuki

03-12-2006, 11:33 PM

jkam

03-12-2006, 11:47 PM

After playing some of RE4 I realize I don't need games to be any better graphically than that. I can't really imagine what 2x that will look like. Graphics no longer mean anything to me.

VanillaGorilla

03-13-2006, 12:23 AM

*ahem*
http://web-japan.org/kidsweb/cool/98-10-12/dreamcast.jpg
Let's not get carried away now. I know I know, everyone loves the Dreamcast, and it died to early, but to honestly compare it to the PS2 in terms of greatness is ridiculous. I won't argue over the hardware, from a durability standpoint, the Dreamcast was a rock (mine is covered in mud, blood, spit, and possibly urine, and still runs smooth). But from a software standpoint, the PS2 is heads and shoulders above the Dreamcast in every single catergory except "Virtual Talk to your crazy fish that looks like Vin Diesel" games. Yes, nostalgia is nice, but come on.

Oh, and Bob Ross for the Revolution would be a killer app, and something I would buy on Launch Day. I still watch the show every Thursday at 2:30 p.m. on my local PBS station. Perfect show to take a nap too.

RedvsBlue

03-13-2006, 12:30 AM

I think he's saying that the Dreamcast was first out of the gate, not the PS2 as you said in your first post.

Originally it was said that the first system out (360) would be a failure. I countered with the PS2 and Evan pointed out the Dreamcast. What I was saying is that comparing the 360 to the Dreamcast is a poor example at this point because the 360 has already been more successful than the Dreamcast. That means that the next system in line for the current gen would be PS2 and the system which most would consider the first of the current gen because the dreamcast wasn't viable long enough to be considered.

Blind the Thief

03-13-2006, 12:38 AM

Originally it was said that the first system out (360) would be a failure. I countered with the PS2 and Evan pointed out the Dreamcast. What I was saying is that comparing the 360 to the Dreamcast is a poor example at this point because the 360 has already been more successful than the Dreamcast. That means that the next system in line for the current gen would be PS2 and the system which most would consider the first of the current gen because the dreamcast wasn't viable long enough to be considered.

How is 360 different from the Dreamcast at this point? People were going crazxy over the Dreamcast, calling it the Rebirth of Sega, etc....there were even shortages for a time, if memory serves...and then the PS2's hype machine came along and trounced Dreamcast, killing the hype.

360 has only been out for under 4 months; let's wait and see how it holds up after PS3's hype is done with it, shall we?

terribledeli

03-13-2006, 12:44 AM

How is 360 different from the Dreamcast at this point? People were going crazxy over the Dreamcast, calling it the Rebirth of Sega, etc....there were even shortages for a time, if memory serves...and then the PS2's hype machine came along and trounced Dreamcast, killing the hype.

360 has only been out for under 4 months; let's wait and see how it holds up after PS3's hype is done with it, shall we?

There is a big difference already. Microsoft isn't in the red and bet it all on one last attempt. People blame the PS2 as the downfall of the Dreamcast, it was really Sega's piss poor management. They couldn't recover from a decade of poor decisions and folded. I don't think they turned a real profit since the Genesis days.

daroga

03-13-2006, 12:45 AM

The 360 is already more of a success than the Dreamcast was. I'm not talking about units sold because frankly I don't know the numbers of either well enough to make any assertions but I'm talking about market penetration. Was anyone beating down the doors of retailers in the christmas of '99 to buy a dreamcast? nope.
Wow, could you be more wrong? 500,000 in 2 weeks in the US alone. Microsoft probably could've beaten that if they had, you know, made enough consoles or actually launched the system in a way that made any sense whosoever, but they chose to let US gamers pay $1000 for a console on eBay while they rot in Japan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamcast#Launch

RedvsBlue

03-13-2006, 12:47 AM

There is a big difference already. Microsoft isn't in the red and bet it all on one last attempt. People blame the PS2 as the downfall of the Dreamcast, it was really Sega's piss poor management. They couldn't recover from a decade of poor decisions and folded. I don't think they turned a real profit since the Genesis days.

Exactly, Dreamcast was already failing BEFORE the PS2 hypemachine started. That just finished it off.

As I said before, the market penetration for the 360 is already far greater than the Dreamcast was.

RedvsBlue

03-13-2006, 12:49 AM

Wow, could you be more wrong? 500,000 in 2 weeks in the US alone. Microsoft probably could've beaten that if they had, you know, made enough consoles or actually launched the system in a way that made any sense whosoever, but they chose to let US gamers pay $1000 for a console on eBay while they rot in Japan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamcast#Launch

From your own article:

Many Americans knew that the Dreamcast was coming, but didn't know what one was.
Which speaks exactly to my point about market penetration.

daroga

03-13-2006, 12:52 AM

I wasn't claiming it was well advertised. The claim was made that no one bought the Dreamcast when it came out. That's just plain wrong.

Blind the Thief

03-13-2006, 01:13 AM

There is a big difference already. Microsoft isn't in the red and bet it all on one last attempt. People blame the PS2 as the downfall of the Dreamcast, it was really Sega's piss poor management. They couldn't recover from a decade of poor decisions and folded. I don't think they turned a real profit since the Genesis days.

You're now comparing Sega to Microsoft, not the 360 to Dreamcast. Stay on topic, please.

RelentlessRolento

03-13-2006, 01:18 AM

Most games that will use that engine will probably be FPSes.

That's all I'm getting at.

mkay, misunderstanding.

FriskyTanuki

03-13-2006, 01:21 AM

Originally it was said that the first system out (360) would be a failure. I countered with the PS2 and Evan pointed out the Dreamcast. What I was saying is that comparing the 360 to the Dreamcast is a poor example at this point because the 360 has already been more successful than the Dreamcast. That means that the next system in line for the current gen would be PS2 and the system which most would consider the first of the current gen because the dreamcast wasn't viable long enough to be considered.
It was still the first system of the generation. Just because it only lasted 16 months doesn't mean it wasn't first. I'm not saying comparing the two is any good, just that the Dreamcast was indeed first, not the PS2. Sega didn't make good decisions, but Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft do, for the most part. None companies will be failing this gen. at this point.

RedvsBlue

03-13-2006, 01:33 AM

It was still the first system of the generation. Just because it only lasted 16 months doesn't mean it wasn't first. I'm not saying comparing the two is any good, just that the Dreamcast was indeed first, not the PS2. Sega didn't make good decisions, but Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft do, for the most part. None companies will be failing this gen. at this point.

I dunno, I still see the Dreamcast as kind of an inbetween system. Not really last gen but not really current gen either. That's just my opinion about it.

As far as all of this, I like how rather than discussing my point about people enjoying their systems, that everyone is nitpicking everything I've said. Guess it just proves my point that people would rather argue about systems then just enjoy what they've got.

captaincold

03-13-2006, 01:34 AM

The one thing that upsets me about Microsoft is how they completely abondoned the Xbox system even though it was still going strong. If i'm not mistaken they don't have anymore 1st party games for the system yet 3rd parties are releasing games in abundance. That doesn't make any sense at all!!!!

terribledeli

03-13-2006, 01:41 AM

You're now comparing Sega to Microsoft, not the 360 to Dreamcast. Stay on topic, please.

So making a shitty attempt to make the 360 look like a doomed console is staying on topic?

Sounds like you're just pissy you didn't do your homework.

Welcome to my ignore list.

FriskyTanuki

03-13-2006, 02:57 AM

I dunno, I still see the Dreamcast as kind of an inbetween system. Not really last gen but not really current gen either. That's just my opinion about it.

As far as all of this, I like how rather than discussing my point about people enjoying their systems, that everyone is nitpicking everything I've said. Guess it just proves my point that people would rather argue about systems then just enjoy what they've got.
Or they can multitask. I'm enjoying my systems while arguing about them. :razz:

Skelah

03-13-2006, 04:47 AM

Blind the Thief

03-13-2006, 05:04 AM

So making a shitty attempt to make the 360 look like a doomed console is staying on topic?

Sounds like you're just pissy you didn't do your homework.

Welcome to my ignore list.

1. I was simply attempting to help defend the Dreamcast. I didn't start the comparisons with 360, and all I really said was that it's a bit early to start making judgement calls about 360. That's it.

2. What homework is that, pray tell?

3. You must have a lot of people on your ignore list if you added me for something like that. To everyone who does read this: congratulate me! I've never been on someone's ignore list before. I'm honored.

Or they can multitask. I'm enjoying my systems while arguing about them. :razz:
Amen, brother.

Dr Mario Kart

03-13-2006, 05:06 AM

with xbox 360s game library ahead of nintendo

huh?

As for graphics were just gonna be in the same boat we are in now exept ps2 and xbox are trading places so nintendo will still be behind in that department even if there not far behind it will be like gamecube compared to ps2 and xbox if there lucky.

huh? Still? As in you're saying the gamecube was behind the other two players in graphics?

daroga

03-13-2006, 08:26 AM

with xbox 360s game library ahead of nintendo it will most likely gaurentee that nintendo will again be #3 .

Lets not forget why ps2 beat xbox reguardless of graphic performance.

As for graphics were just gonna be in the same boat we are in now exept ps2 and xbox are trading places so nintendo will still be behind in that department even if there not far behind it will be like gamecube compared to ps2 and xbox if there lucky.
Wow, I want to assume that you're not saying that Nintendo's library is lesser than Microsoft's, but that's about the only thing I can understand from you typed, unless you mean they're ahead of the game by launching early, in which case you're argument about the PS2 means that the 360 will come out on top this generation.

undyingforce5

03-13-2006, 03:15 PM

If that were true, then why is PS2 number 1 system this generation, hands down?

.

the ps2 had a lot more going for it then the xbox 360. not only did playstation already have a bigger fan base but it was graphically superior than anything out at the time, the ps2 was the "poor mans dvd player" (back when all other players were 500+) and even if all this werent true...Sonys name a lone moved those units ....

and you cant forget all those people that had to buy 6 or 7 ps2s because they were so poorly made.

my point is that you cant compare the xbox360 1st generation launch with the ps2s. its apples and oranges to me.

shipwreck

03-13-2006, 03:34 PM

Yep, just as I thought, the same 10 people stating the same things they've been stating in every other topic like this. :)

Carry on.

RedvsBlue

03-13-2006, 03:37 PM

the ps2 had a lot more going for it then the xbox 360. not only did playstation already have a bigger fan base but it was graphically superior than anything out at the time, the ps2 was the "poor mans dvd player" (back when all other players were 500+) and even if all this werent true...Sonys name a lone moved those units ....

and you cant forget all those people that had to buy 6 or 7 ps2s because they were so poorly made.

my point is that you cant compare the xbox360 1st generation launch with the ps2s. its apples and oranges to me.

I wasn't comparing the 360 to the PS2. What you quoted was a retort to someone saying that coming out first would automatically cause the 360 to fail which it won't.

Everyone's giving reason A or reason B as to why a certain console fails or suceeds but the simple fact of the matter is there is not one good solid reason why a console falters or suceeds. Not even the people who make the flippin' things know.

botticus

03-13-2006, 04:11 PM

Yep, just as I thought, the same 10 people stating the same things they've been stating in every other topic like this. :)

Carry on.
Come on now, I debunked a pro-Revolution post; you know that's out of character for me.

paz9x

03-13-2006, 05:46 PM

huh?

huh? Still? As in you're saying the gamecube was behind the other two players in graphics?

yea. thats the most idiotic thing in this thread so far.

in case you missed it, re4 on ps2 smokes the gc graphically, dont worry though we all missed that.

Reality's Fringe

03-13-2006, 06:34 PM

in case you missed it, re4 on ps2 smokes the gc graphically, dont worry though we all missed that.

http://ruliweb3.dreamwiz.com/ruliboard/read.htm?main=ps&table=img_screen_con&page=1&num=8547&find=&ftext=&left=h&time=
*56k warning

I'm not so sure about that. =(

Blind the Thief

03-13-2006, 09:30 PM

yea. thats the most idiotic thing in this thread so far.

in case you missed it, re4 on ps2 smokes the gc graphically, dont worry though we all missed that.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Strell

03-13-2006, 10:33 PM

I think paz is being sarcastic you guys. :/

botticus

03-13-2006, 11:19 PM

I think paz is being sarcastic you guys. :/
Or he flip flopped PS2 and GC on accident... I hope.

Strell

03-13-2006, 11:21 PM

Reality's Fringe

03-13-2006, 11:36 PM

Well he essentially agrees with DMK initially in the post.

Then he essentially says "Because we all know..."

That sounds like sarcasm to me.

I could be wrong.

I mean, it has been known to happen once every eon or so.

Sarcasm? On the INTERWEB?!1 I posted the little comparison to remove doubt from anyone who would've been confused(ie actually believed it). I hate Kidtendo anyway becuz it's ghey.

Strell

03-13-2006, 11:37 PM

Sarcasm? On the INTERWEB?!1 I posted the little comparison to remove doubt from anyone who would've been confused(ie actually believed it). I hate Kidtendo anyway becuz it's ghey.

U WULD HATE GHEY LUVERS U GHEY LUVER LUVING HATING WHORE.

FriskyTanuki

03-13-2006, 11:38 PM

This is the internet, no one is ever sarcastic.

Reality's Fringe

03-13-2006, 11:39 PM

U WULD HATE GHEY LUVERS U GHEY LUVER LUVING HATING WHORE.

Shutup strall u r stoopid fanboy lolz.

Strell

03-13-2006, 11:40 PM

Shutup strall u r stoopid fanboy lolz.

STOOPID LIEK A FOX!!111

buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurned!

I -AM- THE INSLUT MASTAR

ROFLAOLAMOFMALROLFMAOMRLF

Reality's Fringe

03-13-2006, 11:44 PM

STOOPID LIEK A FOX!!111

buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurned!

I -AM- THE INSLUT MASTAR

ROFLAOLAMOFMALROLFMAOMRLF

OMG stfu newb and gtfo ur mom likes me giver her buttsechs stroll!

....Wait, what was this thread about?

Strell

03-13-2006, 11:46 PM

....Wait, what was this thread about?

...

...

...

Wang?

...

...

If I ever have a band I'm going to name it "Buttsechs Stroll." "Her" may or may not be placed at the front.

RedvsBlue

03-14-2006, 12:15 AM

So, looks like this one's about ripe for a locking...

Reality's Fringe

03-14-2006, 12:20 AM

...

If I ever have a band I'm going to name it "Buttsechs Stroll." "Her" may or may not be placed at the front.

That's about three levels above fucking awesome. I'd like to join.

ripe for a locking...

That could be the debut album title.

Strell

03-14-2006, 12:23 AM

We already have album art by way of your sig. Iwata in a crown. There is no greater assimilation of colors, lines, shadow, and hues.

Blind the Thief

03-14-2006, 01:22 AM

We already have album art by way of your sig. Iwata in a crown. There is no greater assimilation of colors, lines, shadow, and hues.

And magic.

paz9x

03-14-2006, 01:53 AM

Well he essentially agrees with DMK initially in the post.

Then he essentially says "Because we all know..."

That sounds like sarcasm to me.

I could be wrong.

I mean, it has been known to happen once every eon or so.
me? no.....
thanks for the link though. it look slike the color settings on the tv or tvs is very different. the ps2 looks whitewashed almost.
the lighting effects in the jumping through the window pic were very nice

Kendal

03-14-2006, 02:02 AM

The 360 is already more of a success than the Dreamcast was. I'm not talking about units sold because frankly I don't know the numbers of either well enough to make any assertions but I'm talking about market penetration. Was anyone beating down the doors of retailers in the christmas of '99 to buy a dreamcast? nope.

Um, what penetration? Does it have a dong or strap-on? Sorry I didn't get effed in the A by getting a 360 early and paying for it with my behymen. I don't know what all the premeium setup comes with. What is this market penetration you are talking about.

RedvsBlue

03-14-2006, 02:09 AM

Um, what penetration? Does it have a dong or strap-on? Sorry I didn't get effed in the A by getting a 360 early and paying for it with my behymen. I don't know what all the premeium setup comes with. What is this market penetration you are talking about.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=market%20penetration

market penetration

n : the extent to which a product is recognized and bought by customers in a particular market

Dr Mario Kart

03-14-2006, 02:13 AM

seeing Reality's Fringe and Strell in a conversation is most confusing. If they were fighting on a roof somewhere, and I was trying to shoot one and not the other, I would most likely make a mistake.

Strell

03-14-2006, 02:18 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/Einzell/Hotmarioava.gif

RedvsBlue

03-14-2006, 02:22 AM

seeing Reality's Fringe and Strell in a conversation is most confusing. If they were fighting on a roof somewhere, and I was trying to shoot one and not the other, I would most likely make a mistake.

But, the question is, if you had more than 1 bullet, why force yourself into making a choice?

Kendal

03-14-2006, 02:32 AM

So then the Dreamcast was a success because tons of people bought it and wanted it at first?

RedvsBlue

03-14-2006, 02:35 AM

So then the Dreamcast was a success because tons of people bought it and wanted it at first?

I believe my original statement was that the 360 is already a greater success than the Dreamcast due to higher market penetration. Can't you just read more of the thread than the 1st page so I wouldn't have to go over points that I've already gone over?

Kendal

03-14-2006, 03:11 AM

I believe my original statement was that the 360 is already a greater success than the Dreamcast due to higher market penetration. Can't you just read more of the thread than the 1st page so I wouldn't have to go over points that I've already gone over?

I did read the whole thing, but how can your speculation make it so? I think the DC had more market penetration four months in, but to each their own I guess...

Blind the Thief

03-14-2006, 03:13 AM

But, the question is, if you had more than 1 bullet, why force yourself into making a choice?

<---in protest to that. Or something.

Go team 'stache.

SpazX

03-14-2006, 04:27 PM

me? no.....
thanks for the link though. it look slike the color settings on the tv or tvs is very different. the ps2 looks whitewashed almost.
the lighting effects in the jumping through the window pic were very nice

The brightness does seem different on the two TVs, but the GC version is the lighter one (and it's the one with the nice light effect from the window).

If anybody says the PS2 version looks better, they're deluded. They both look pretty much the same if the GC version not coming out slightly ahead.

Reality's Fringe

03-14-2006, 05:58 PM

But, the question is, if you had more than 1 bullet, why force yourself into making a choice?

I was going to cut you in on the profits, but now I'm touting the album title as my own creation.

<---in protest to that. Or something.

Go team 'stache.

I heart you too.

Snake2715

03-14-2006, 06:09 PM

Wow at page 3 I forgot what I was supposed to be reading about!! Carry on you rambling Bastards!

banpeikun

03-14-2006, 06:28 PM

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/image.php?u=8897&dateline=1134071861

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/image.php?u=2432&dateline=1134057973

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/image.php?u=18201&dateline=1142320933
There are three consecutive posts are all from mysteriously mustached men. Who are they? Are the mustaches real? Why do they have them? Are they the same person? Could it be...

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:8j0WLO-h0kDa8M:dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/561/561385/super-mario-64-ds-20041028013239607.jpg

Reality's Fringe

03-14-2006, 06:30 PM

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/image.php?u=8897&dateline=1134071861http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/image.php?u=18201&dateline=1142320933http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/image.php?u=2432&dateline=1134057973

The last three posts are all from mysteriously mustached men. Who are they? Are the mustaches real? Why do they have them? Are they the same person?

Actually, I believe there is another CAG with a "Hot Mario" themed avatar. Albino Ninja, if I'm not mistaken.

banpeikun

03-14-2006, 06:33 PM

Why does the picture button not work anymore? It shows the picture in my edit window, but when I post it, it turns back into a link?

Strell

03-14-2006, 06:37 PM

Actually, I believe there is another CAG with a "Hot Mario" themed avatar. Albino Ninja, if I'm not mistaken.

Mmm, I know "The Dord" has Hot Mario AMERIKEE STAWL in his avatar.

Does Albino have the Luigi?

daroga

03-14-2006, 06:37 PM

Why does the picture button not work anymore? It shows the picture in my edit window, but when I post it, it turns back into a link?
use the [ img] imagefileaddress [ /img] tags (obviously, take the spaces out of the bracketed sections)

So you have this:
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:8j0WLO-h0kDa8M:dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/561/561385/super-mario-64-ds-20041028013239607.jpg

EDIT: Hmm... it IS brokeified.... lame

Reality's Fringe

03-14-2006, 06:39 PM

Mmm, I know "The Dord" has Hot Mario AMERIKEE STAWL in his avatar.

Does Albino have the Luigi?

Yeah, that's the one. I thought we almost had a complete set, but no one wants to be Clazy Otaku Bushojin Mario.

banpeikun

03-14-2006, 06:43 PM

I want to join the stache club plz

shipwreck

03-14-2006, 06:50 PM

banpeikun, you can be American Idol Mario: http://www.idolonfox.com/contestants/gedeon_mckinney/

Reality's Fringe

03-14-2006, 06:55 PM

I want to join the stache club plz

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/realitysfringe/hotmarioava2.gif

For good feelings.

botticus

03-14-2006, 07:23 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/realitysfringe/hotmarioava2.gif

For good feelings.
I would consider joining the club, but then Dick would get the shaft.

Blind the Thief

03-14-2006, 07:59 PM

I would consider joining the club, but then Dick would get the shaft.

...

ryanbph

03-14-2006, 08:11 PM

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: banpeikun, you can be American Idol Mario: http://www.idolonfox.com/contestants/gedeon_mckinney/

Apossum

03-14-2006, 09:05 PM

in case you missed it, re4 on ps2 smokes the gc graphically, dont worry though we all missed that.

yea. thats the most idiotic thing in this thread so far.

TOOCTQFT

(taken out of context then quoted for truth)

Qui-Gon Jim

03-15-2006, 11:16 AM

undyingforce5

03-15-2006, 04:25 PM

DVD players were NOT $500 when PS2 launched. $150-$200? Yes.

you are out of your mind!!!! most were more than $500

i will search for a link for you later

epobirs

03-18-2006, 07:28 PM

The originating poster should spend some time with PC games on machines of varying specs. He will then realize that this news doesn't really do much to put the Revolution on a par with the (expectedly) much more expensive competition.

Take the recent hit Doom 3 as an example. This game was intended to make use of the features that can only be found in video processors that comply with the DirectX 9 spec. (Or recent OGL) But does the game require a DX9 clas GPU to play? Not at all. The game can be played, even enjoyably, on far less powerful hardware. You merely have to give up a plethora of graphic amenities to allow it to run at a serviceable frame rate.

Deveopers of multiplatform games will have a choice. They can either use the Revolution as a lowest common denominator with the PS3 and 360 version being only minorly better. Or they can let the Rev be the weak sibling that falls under the "screenshots are for system you didn't buy" syndrome. Back in the late 80s the UK game magazine ads would always push the Amiga version because it of course looked far better than the Atari ST version if there was any real effort put into it.

The LCD approach isn't a bad thing if the game is a bargain title from a small publisher. But is that what people are expecting from the Revolution? Would they really care about multiplatform titles that don't exploit the unique aspects of the console or do they want a multiplatform game to be like a good DS entry for a franchise that is uniquely different from being just a handheld version of a console title.

daroga

03-18-2006, 07:59 PM

you are out of your mind!!!! most were more than $500

i will search for a link for you later
um, no. Wikipedia isn't necessarily the best source, but this time it's dead on:

"By the spring of 1999 the price of a DVD player had dropped below $300 US." A solid year and a 1/2 before the PS2 launched, the market was already sub-$300

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD

whoknows

03-18-2006, 08:26 PM

A question mark is needed after "it" in the topic title. Please change immediatley before...uh...something happens...I haven't decided what yet.

j.elles

03-18-2006, 08:57 PM

In Japan I think the DVD thing helped spur sales more so then it did here in the states. As for the PS2 being graphically superior than anything out at the time. Thats just not true. The dreamcasts games were far and away better for the better part of a year before the PS2 caught up and even then. Ahh the poor dreamcast died before it's time. Microsoft should have just bought stock in sega, especially since they seem to get into so much money trouble, and gone that route. Maybe then Sega wouldn't be in the sorry state it's in now. Poor sega.

Also I have a nice HD set and running on 480P RE4 blows the PS2 version away. I've seen both because I rented it for the ada missions and I don't see how anyone can miss it.

evanft

03-18-2006, 09:08 PM

Also I have a nice HD set and running on 480P RE4 blows the PS2 version away. I've seen both because I rented it for the ada missions and I don't see how anyone can miss it.

WTF does that have to do with anything? RANDOM!

TimPV3

03-18-2006, 09:12 PM

*ahem*
http://web-japan.org/kidsweb/cool/98-10-12/dreamcast.jpg
Even though the Dreamcast died 4 years ago, I felt really bad the other night when I realized that this would be the first console generation Sega wouldn't be a part of.

j.elles

03-18-2006, 09:44 PM

WTF does that have to do with anything? RANDOM!Page 3 PZ9X.
yea. thats the most idiotic thing in this thread so far.

in case you missed it, re4 on ps2 smokes the gc graphically, dont worry though we all missed that.
Hence my comment on the cube with 480P RE4.

Storamin

03-18-2006, 10:55 PM

And I thought I was in OT.

thagoat

03-18-2006, 11:20 PM

The 360 is already more of a success than the Dreamcast was. I'm not talking about units sold because frankly I don't know the numbers of either well enough to make any assertions but I'm talking about market penetration. Was anyone beating down the doors of retailers in the christmas of '99 to buy a dreamcast? nope. actually, the dreamcast sold about 300,000 units at launch. pretty damn good, if you ask me. but the damn software companies gave up on it so quickly. very disappointing.

epobirs

03-19-2006, 08:21 AM

um, no. Wikipedia isn't necessarily the best source, but this time it's dead on:

"By the spring of 1999 the price of a DVD player had dropped below $300 US." A solid year and a 1/2 before the PS2 launched, the market was already sub-$300

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD

This was in the US market. In Japan the DVD players were priced much higher and made the PS2 seem like a bargain just as a DVD player. That it also happened to play games from the huge PS1 library with the promise of even better native titles was just a bonus for those who'd been waiting for a bargain DVD player.

Why Japan was paying so much for DVD decks has never been explained to me but I've seen this in other kinds of gear in the opposite way, where US customer pay several times more for a piece of semi-pro equipment that is sold as high end consumer in Japan at a much lower price.

daroga

03-19-2006, 09:55 AM

This was in the US market. In Japan the DVD players were priced much higher and made the PS2 seem like a bargain just as a DVD player. That it also happened to play games from the huge PS1 library with the promise of even better native titles was just a bonus for those who'd been waiting for a bargain DVD player.

Why Japan was paying so much for DVD decks has never been explained to me but I've seen this in other kinds of gear in the opposite way, where US customer pay several times more for a piece of semi-pro equipment that is sold as high end consumer in Japan at a much lower price.
You have anything to back that up? As you've said, every other piece of electronic equipment operates in reverse from that theory you proposed. Everything I've read as backed up history, or said that the US market and Japanese market were at least on par with one another. It's hard to tell if this statement of $100 players is referring to Japan or the US, but it's probably hitting at both. This page would've mentioned a major price gap between the two markets if it has existed, as it's totally in the scope of what they've written. An argument from silence, probably, but it'd be great if you had something to support your claims.

"The first players appeared in Japan in November, 1996, followed by U.S. players in March, 1997, with distribution limited to only 7 major cities for the first 6 months. Players slowly trickled in to other regions around the world. Prices for the first players in 1997 were $1000 and up. By the end of 2000, players were available for under $100 at discount retailers. In 2003 players became available for under $50. Six years after the initial launch, close to one thousand models of DVD players were available from over a hundred consumer electronics manufacturers."

http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html