DS Million sellers compared to the PSP - Worldwide

[sleepy180]

Nintendo DS
Nintendo DS games that have sold more than a million copies worldwide as of February 2006.

Nintendogs (5.04 million) [169]
Mario Kart DS (3.47 million) [170]
Super Mario 64 DS (3.42 million) [171]
Animal Crossing: Wild World (2.62 million) [172]
WarioWare: Touched! (1.81 million) [173]
Brain Training for Adults (1.8 million) [174]
Brain Training 2 (1.54 million) [175]
Big Brain Academy (1.18 million) [176]
Tamagotchi No Puchi Puchi Omisetchi (1 million) [177]


Sony PSP
Sony PlayStation Portable games that have sold more than a million copies worldwide.

Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories (1.67 million)
Ridge Racer (1.04 million)



Soon to add for the DS will be New super mario, English training, Tetris DS, and metroid Prime Hunters. and more of those Touch generation software

For PSP ahhh GTA 2 PSP and Some PSone emulator games

Source

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_videogames

[RedvsBlue]

Wow, thanks for your fanboy bullshit.

[sleepy180]

I smell a PSP owner ^^^

in all seriousness, i own a DS and a PSP. Theres no fanboy nothing here, just posting straight facts man. No need to cry about it. Just go get yourself a nice DS

[lonestar]

Certainly, the DS has had great success for its software. However, you have to consider the PSP came out later and didn't achieve real market share until christmas. Also, a slew of titles are on the way for this fiscal qtr. The UMD DVD's have a few million sellers I believe as well.

[Astinus Majere]

I saw this exact same post on GameFAQS word for word

[RedvsBlue]

I smell a PSP owner ^^^

in all seriousness, i own a DS and a PSP. Theres no fanboy nothing here, just posting straight facts man. No need to cry about it. Just go get yourself a nice DS

I used to own a DS but I got bored with it. That's not the point at all though, its the fact that every other fucking day now there's some thread about why Gamecube is better than the PS2, or why the PS3 will still beat the XBox 360. Its getting old, why can't people just enjoy their fucking system without having to justify why its the best.

[RedvsBlue]

I saw this exact same post on GameFAQS word for word

And there you go ladies and gentleman, I rest my case.

[musha666]

And there you go ladies and gentleman, I rest my case.

Seems like someone has been playing some Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney;)

[sleepy180]

now please show me where in my post i said the DS was the best and the PSP sucked? cmon, show me. I was simply stating the million sellers for each system. Want me to post the million sellers for the gamecube vs the PS2? The PS2 will have 50 more million sellers the the gamecube did i bet. Go check on the same page. Stop crying and bitching and leave the thread. you are nothing more then a troll RedvsBlue.

[ananag112]

Why do people use Wikipedia as a reliable source?

[whoknows]

Why do people use Wikipedia as a reliable source?

Because....when you say "Wikipedia" you sound intelligent. Its not an encylopedia, its something only highly intelligent people can understand :-P

[RedvsBlue]

now please show me where in my post i said the DS was the best and the PSP sucked? cmon, show me. I was simply stating the million sellers for each system. Want me to post the million sellers for the gamecube vs the PS2? The PS2 will have 50 more million sellers the the gamecube did i bet. Go check on the same page. Stop crying and bitching and leave the thread. you are nothing more then a troll RedvsBlue.

You can say a lot without blatantly saying it. That's what's called the tone of your message. If I'm a troll, your an unoriginal hack.

[Trakan]

I have no problem with heated discussion, but lets keep the namecalling and 'fanboy' arguing to a minimum, please.

[Vinny]

I have no problem with heated discussion, but lets keep the namecalling and 'fanboy' arguing to a minimum, please.

But those are that's a common term in these heated debates. Oh well, better get out the pistols...

On a side note: I never realized Nintendogs sold so well! I'll admit it's easily the most innovative DS game but it becomes boring within a week.:roll:

[botticus]

But those are that's a common term in these heated debates. Oh well, better get out the pistols...

On a side note: I never realized Nintendogs sold so well! I'll admit it's easily the most innovative DS game but it becomes boring within a week.:roll:
I'm waiting for it to get cheap, but I don't think that's ever going to happen.

[Reality's Fringe]

5.04 million units of Nintendogs?! Jesus, real dogs are so much more rewarding...until they shit all over your house.

[Mr Unoriginal]

If I'm a troll, your an unoriginal hack.

I thought that was me...?

[daroga]

Ah, nothing like a little flamebait thread.

That being said, Redvsblue, you need to chill out man. If threads like this upset you, don't read them. No sense getting mad about. It's just an internet forum.

[crazytalkx]

Ah, nothing like a little flamebait thread.

That being said, Redvsblue, you need to chill out man. If threads like this upset you, don't read them. No sense getting mad about. It's just an internet forum.

Ha Sony is da sux0rzzzzz. I keed I have a PSP, but I just love my DS more.

[Kaijufan]

I'm looking forward to seeing how well the brain training games sell in the US.

Anyone have a list of the top selling UMD movies?

[RelentlessRolento]

I'm looking forward to seeing how well the brain training games sell in the US.

Anyone have a list of the top selling UMD movies?

Top Selling UMD Movies:
#1 Porn
#2 Porn
#3 Porn
#4 Ghostbusters
#5 Porn

[2poor]

Backdoor Sluts 9 has to be number 1.

[Sarang01]

Certainly, the DS has had great success for its software. However, you have to consider the PSP came out later and didn't achieve real market share until christmas. Also, a slew of titles are on the way for this fiscal qtr. The UMD DVD's have a few million sellers I believe as well.

Yeah and how many of those are ports? Not to be a dick or anything but seriously.

[mykevermin]

I thought that was me...?

When you're *truly* unoriginal, you don't even get noticed for it. That's sort of like acheiving the eight-fold path of unoriginality.

Someone earlier mentioned that there had been a few million-sellers for UMD movies. I'm not certain if there is or not, but the story a few months back about Sony and other film distributors cutting back on UMD releases as a result of lackluster sales seems to indicate that if there are million-selling movies, it's the exception rather than the rule.

[evilmax17]

Top Selling UMD Movies:
#1 Porn
#2 Porn
#3 Porn
#4 Ghostbusters
#5 Porn
:rofl:

Well done.

[Mookyjooky]

As long as these arent Japan numbers. As Japan numbers are worthless.

[daroga]

As long as these arent Japan numbers. As Japan numbers are worthless.
I think as the title states they're world-wide numbers. Why are Japanese numbers worthless?

[botticus]

I think as the title states they're world-wide numbers. Why are Japanese numbers worthless?
The response will probably be because Japanese taste in gaming differs from that in the US.

[Mookyjooky]

I think as the title states they're world-wide numbers. Why are Japanese numbers worthless?

Ah, didnt know these were out in the US yet -

Brain Training for Adults (1.8 million) [174]
Brain Training 2 (1.54 million) [175]
Big Brain Academy (1.18 million) [176]

And Japan numbers are worthless because the Japanese are:

A. Extremely loyal and biased to Japanese software and Hardware.
B. Japan is the Size of Florida.
C. Japan is a ruled by the latest fad even more than the US is.

[evilmax17]

Ah, didnt know these were out in the US yet
Well, even if they're only available in Japan, they're still part of the World Wide Numbers. They just happened to sell over a million before being released elsewhere.

[botticus]

Well, even if they're only available in Japan, they're still part of the World Wide Numbers. They just happened to sell over a million before being released elsewhere.
Yeah... Brain Age [Brain Training or Brain Training 2?] is out here next month; Big Brain Academy is out in May.

[evanft]

I think it's pretty much an empirical fact that DS>>>>PSP. I didn't need to see sales number to prove that.

[Mookyjooky]

Well, even if they're only available in Japan, they're still part of the World Wide Numbers. They just happened to sell over a million before being released elsewhere.

Ah, wow thats pretty awesome.

I love my DS, and I'm selling my PSP for $165. CML!

But Fanboy $$$g0try is annoying. Even though it is for the DS which owns all my time. :D

Edit: It wasnt the numbers thats fanboy, thats fact. Its the lame:

Soon to add for the DS will be New super mario, English training, Tetris DS, and metroid Prime Hunters. and more of those Touch generation software

For PSP ahhh GTA 2 PSP and Some PSone emulator games

That makes this OP pretty worthless. He loses all creditibility not mentioning Katamari, Monster Hunter, Mega Man Powered Up, Metal Gear Ac!d 2, Daxter and others... Thats what makes this fanboy garbage.

[mykevermin]

And Japan numbers are worthless because the Japanese are:

A. Extremely loyal and biased to Japanese software and Hardware.
B. Japan is the Size of Florida.
C. Japan is a ruled by the latest fad even more than the US is.

A. Did Sony relocate to Iowa?
B. Their population is roughly 1/3 of ours, so making a geographical argument that they are 1/50 (approx) the US is kinda foolish, don't you think?
C. I call BS. Turn on your tv; pick up "people" magazine, get on "somethingawful.com" (fucking if I read anything else about Chuck Norris!!!). Their is plenty of faddishness about both cultures. Actually, to be a fad something has to follow a specific pattern of meteoric rise in popularity, occupation of all our discussion (as a collective) for a period of time, typically no more than 3 months, and then a similarly sloped catastrophic fall from popularity. So, since a "fad" is defined by a pattern, I'm not sure how you can try to argue that it's different somewhere else (if it was, it wouldn't be a fad).

[ananag112]

I think it's pretty much an empirical fact that DS>>>>PSP. I didn't need to see sales number to prove that.

I am a Nintendo fan and I own both a DS and PSP. While I like both systems, I actually like the PSP a bit better because of the games (and hombrew such as the TI-92 calculator). The DS has a good selection of games, but most of these games are pick up and play type games. Most of them are short and have little replay value. They are fun though for short periods of time. The DS games have VERY little to no loading times so you don’t need to wait to play. Many of the DS games are very different than those on the consoles. I think the DS is the perfect console for short play time or when you are at home but don’t feel like playing a console game.

On the other hand, the PSP too has a good selection of games, but many of these games are more in-depth and have a lot of replay value. The games are pretty challenging and take quite some time to beat. Many of these games have long loading times so it is hard to play them in short periods of time. The PSP is the best system to play when you are away from your consoles, but you feel like playing console like games.

It really depends on when and where you play your handheld.

[RedvsBlue]

Ah, nothing like a little flamebait thread.

That being said, Redvsblue, you need to chill out man. If threads like this upset you, don't read them. No sense getting mad about. It's just an internet forum.

No, it has nothing to do with me chilling out. It has to do with the fact that this thread adds nothing to "General Gaming & Industry News". Its a DS fanboy circle jerk that should have been put in the DS forum, or not even posted in the first place.



On the other hand, the PSP too has a good selection of games, but many of these games are more in-depth and have a lot of replay value. The games are pretty challenging and take quite some time to beat. Many of these games have long loading times so it is hard to play them in short periods of time. The PSP is the best system to play when you are away from your consoles, but you feel like playing console like games.

It really depends on when and where you play your handheld.

That's the first sensible thing I've seen in this thread. No one wants to admit that, while both portable, the DS and PSP are DRASTICALLY different systems. Even the games that are available are very different. You see but its always gotta be "what's best" and why its the best. I'd be willing to bet a lot of the DS fans also own gamecubes. Since the Gamecube doesn't sell as many copies of games as the other systems does that mean that the Gamecube is a crap system? Of course not.

From my own experience when I owned a DS, I had the same feelings about it. I played through quite a few games and never wanted to pick them up again whereas I've played all the way through quite a few of my PSP games and still enjoy replaying them.

[evilmax17]

No, it has nothing to do with me chilling out. It has to do with the fact that this thread adds nothing to "General Gaming & Industry News". Its a DS fanboy circle jerk that should have been put in the DS forum, or not even posted in the first place.
That's only because certain people made it that way.

You could easily make an intelligent discussion out of these numbers. "Look at what games are selling well on the DS, and then look at what games are selling well on the PSP. What needs to change for the PSP to have more million sellers? What does the DS need to do to increase their numbers? Will Brain Training get old?"

There are many questions to ask, and many points to discuss. It's not just DS>PSP or vice versa, it's looking at facts and then trying to apply them to theories.

The success of Nintendogs/Brain Training shows that in regard to the PSP, Sony really needs to think about marketting beyond their core fanbase.

[daroga]

No, it has nothing to do with me chilling out. It has to do with the fact that this thread adds nothing to "General Gaming & Industry News". Its a DS fanboy circle jerk that should have been put in the DS forum, or not even posted in the first place.
It actually does add to the forum, to have to talk about the various pieces of software avilable for the two hot handhelds. It actually has everything to do with you settling down, learning how to avoid threads (or at least posting in and following threads) that will upset you and generally just don't be a jerk to people. Trust me, I was right with you even up to a few weeks ago. If you see a flamebait, fanboy thread like this could've been, you have two mature options: don't post and move on or try to steer the direction in the course of intellegent conversation. You did neither, and rather attacked the OP and cemented an annoying, fanboyish, negative tone for this thread. Thanks for that. You might want to consider one or the other for next time. I recommened the former, because the latter can be a frustrating exercise in futility.

[RedvsBlue]

You did neither, and rather attacked the OP and cemented an annoying, fanboyish, negative tone for this thread. Thanks for that. You might want to consider one or the other for next time. I recommened the former, because the latter can be a frustrating exercise in futility.
You're right, I'm sorry for posting:


Soon to add for the DS will be New super mario, English training, Tetris DS, and metroid Prime Hunters. and more of those Touch generation software

For PSP ahhh GTA 2 PSP and Some PSone emulator games


and sending this into fanboy land.

[daroga]

You're right, I'm sorry for posting:

and sending this into fanboy land.

You didn't really read anything I wrote did you? Whatever. Practicing what I'm preaching now. Have a good one.

[Mookyjooky]

A. Did Sony relocate to Iowa?
B. Their population is roughly 1/3 of ours, so making a geographical argument that they are 1/50 (approx) the US is kinda foolish, don't you think?
C. I call BS. Turn on your tv; pick up "people" magazine, get on "somethingawful.com" (fucking if I read anything else about Chuck Norris!!!). Their is plenty of faddishness about both cultures. Actually, to be a fad something has to follow a specific pattern of meteoric rise in popularity, occupation of all our discussion (as a collective) for a period of time, typically no more than 3 months, and then a similarly sloped catastrophic fall from popularity. So, since a "fad" is defined by a pattern, I'm not sure how you can try to argue that it's different somewhere else (if it was, it wouldn't be a fad).

Since my statement was about the industry in general, and not about this petty PSP vs DS garbage, I can see why you would get confused.

A. Obviously Sony didnt relocate to Iowa, but thanks for being ignorant. But you cant tell me that the Xbox sales in Japan being so poor are because the Xbox sucks that bad. Xbox has catered to Japan personally, and the Japanese are loyal to their own, thats fine... but lets not act like it doesnt exist.

B. Growing up in Florida, and going to school in a school with 50% spainish speaking only students... let me tell you, population charts for america are completely wrong. Also, how much of the populace plays video games? Guessing, but being that its a market for 14-28 year old boys, lets say 10%. But thats only a guess. Roughly 1/3? Thats roughly a 20 million person difference... now you add in the rest of the world who also doesnt give a shit about dating sims and 2d retro RPGs on the PS2... and you see why Grand Theft Auto is the number one selling license of this generation of consoles in the world. Even though, I fucking hate GTA... its a fact. Japan, or any other ONE country's sales really means jack shit. But I would guess, and still only a guess, that more people buy video games in america than any country in the world, so if it mattered anywhere, it would surely be here.

C. Dont even try to be ignorant a spout some internet fad as an american fad. Especially some fark, something aweful or YTMND fads. The fad Im talking about is something that takes a nation storm, like the macarana dance or tamagotchis... dont even try to act like some ignorant website fad means anything to anyone. And if you read my post, you would see I used the word "more than", not "america doesnt have fads and Japan does". Also, I know what the hell a "fad" is, and even if I didnt, I could goto dictionary.com just like you did to make yourself look intelligent. So please, stop posting defintions in here, we all know how to look them up.. you're not special.

Please, stop trying to make transparent arguments for the sake of arguing.

[savestheday888]

I think these threads continue to pop up, because the DS's dominance over the PSP is almost comical. Sony thought they were going to march into the handheld market, and kick Nintendo square in their teeth. So far, they've been wrong.

You also have to take into consideration the fact that Nintendo fanboys had to listen, for years, about how Sony crushed Nintendo in the "console war." Now, they finally have something they can use against Sony to make themselves feel good about the corporation they love. Sounds awkward, doesn't it?

[Ecofreak]

A. Obviously Sony didnt relocate to Iowa, but thanks for being ignorant. But you cant tell me that the Xbox sales in Japan being so poor are because the Xbox sucks that bad. Xbox has catered to Japan personally, and the Japanese are loyal to their own, thats fine... but lets not act like it doesnt exist.

What games besides DoA 4 and a racing game have catered to the Japanese market? You know full well that they love Action/Adventure & RPGs yet the Xbox has quality titles few of the first and even fewer of the second that appeal to that market.

Cut the xenophobic BS and think of a decent argument. People who use that line just can't accept the fact that MS STILL hasn't figured out what the Japanese want, and because of it are starting to lose some of the RPG support by developers that was supposed to be coming down the pipeline. Or, if not losing it, then getting some concern over dropping enthusiasm. (As written over @ Kotaku, too lazy to find it).

It's MS's job to get the Japanese to want their system, not the Japanese wanting MS to make games that they want.

[Mookyjooky]

What games besides DoA 4 and a racing game have catered to the Japanese market? You know full well that they love Action/Adventure & RPGs yet the Xbox has quality titles few of the first and even fewer of the second that appeal to that market.

Cut the xenophobic BS and think of a decent argument. People who use that line just can't accept the fact that MS STILL hasn't figured out what the Japanese want, and because of it are starting to lose some of the RPG support by developers that was supposed to be coming down the pipeline. Or, if not losing it, then getting some concern over dropping enthusiasm. (As written over @ Kotaku, too lazy to find it).

It's MS's job to get the Japanese to want their system, not the Japanese wanting MS to make games that they want.

Xbox:
Psyvariar 2: Extend Edition
Phantom Dust
SHIKIGAMI NO SHIRO
JET SET RADIO FUTURE
Shiki Gami No Shiro 2
Tekki (Steel Battlion)
Plus Plum 2
Magatama
DOA3
DOA : Ultimate
Xbox S Controller
Ninja Gaiden
Outrun 2
3 Special Edition Xbox Consoles
Otagi
Otagi 2
2d Games
A Great Online service that trumps any system to date.
Breakdown
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance

Xbox 360:
DOA 4
RPG made by the Final Fantasy People
Final Fantasy 11
Blue Dragon (RPG with Akira Toriyama character drawings)

Not to mention the constant uphill battle just trying to get a foothole a 1/3 of the size Sega, Nintendo or Sony had or has currently. Lets not forget that the Xbox came out late, against the PS2 juggernaut.

From the current gen, MS has grown the most out of all of them, they listened to customer response and tryed to access it acordingly. Smaller controller? Sure... Online that doesnt suck? Sure... Better Graphics? Sure. Help with the dev kits? Sure. Now in the next gen they've come out the game with a awesome console... sure it overheats, thats their bad... but the console really has what it takes to be a contender. Nintendo has a good head on their shoulder and could either make or break it in the console market this gen... but the PS3 is the same old hype machine and broken promises of the PS2. Mark my words here, the Sony will over shoot themselves this coming gen... and when sales of the PS3 slow after inital release because of the 600 million possible issues that can go wrong with thier little high-def media center that will only play a format that manufacturing companies wont care to retool millions of dollars of manufacturing equipment to make movies in blu-ray when they can just retrofit old DVD spooling machines into HD-DVD machines... the console war will be over before it began. The PS3 is too much for one company to hold down, and we'll see it in real time as they realize that no one wants to rebuy all their DVDs, the PS3 is bigger than the 360, HD-DVD will be the standard, Online service is 3-5 years behind, and the falling Japanese gaming market shifts away from Sony and goes back to Nintendo, while the US market latches onto the 360... Sony will have no place.

But...Yeah, you're right, Microsoft doesnt even try.

[Ecofreak]

Xbox:
Psyvariar 2: Extend Edition
Phantom Dust
SHIKIGAMI NO SHIRO
JET SET RADIO FUTURE
Shiki Gami No Shiro 2
Tekki (Steel Battlion)
Plus Plum 2
Magatama
DOA3
DOA : Ultimate
Xbox S Controller
Ninja Gaiden
Outrun 2
3 Special Edition Xbox Consoles
Otagi
Otagi 2
2d Games
A Great Online service that trumps any system to date.

Xbox 360:
DOA 4
RPG made by the Final Fantasy People
Final Fantasy 11
Blue Dragon (RPG with Akira Toriyama character drawings)

Yeah, you're right, the dont even try.

As I can't comment on a lot of the games since I haven't played any, let me try and do some comparison shopping

1. JET SET RADIO FUTURE
- Was it an exclusive?
2. DOA3
DOA : Ultimate
- People in Japan prefer Tekken and Virtual Fighter
3. Xbox S Controller - A controller does not sell a system
4. A Great Online service that trumps any system to date.
- If the games that are offered online do not interest them, this isn't going to sell the system. (IE Halo 2 - great online but FPS just don't fly in Japan)

Xbox 360:
1. RPG made by the Final Fantasy People - The game isn't out yet, so a non-released game cannot push a system
2. Final Fantasy 11 - Already been available for along time
3. Blue Dragon (RPG with Akira Toriyama character drawings) - Again, non-released game

And has it ever occured to you that MAYBE they are waiting for the PS3 to launch and then decide which system they want? Like many of us have said, we cannot afford to buy two systems - at least at launch. The Japanese have one of the highest per capita savings rates in the world so it should come as no surprise that they are extremely patient.

Also, perhaps some people who bought the Xbox felt burnt by the lack of titles that they found appealing and thus are more hesitant to buy it.

There are a number of other possible reasons. But to cover MS's shortcomings by the bigotry argument of xenophobia is both ignorant and offensive.

[Mookyjooky]

As I can't comment on a lot of the games since I haven't played any, let me try and do some comparison shopping

1. JET SET RADIO FUTURE
- Was it an exclusive?

Yes

2. DOA3
DOA : Ultimate
- People in Japan prefer Tekken and Virtual Fighter

Virtual Fighter 5 will come to the Xbox 360.

3. Xbox S Controller - A controller does not sell a system

Tell that to Nintendo's Revolution dept.

4. A Great Online service that trumps any system to date.
- If the games that are offered online do not interest them, this isn't going to sell the system. (IE Halo 2 - great online but FPS just don't fly in Japan)

And I'm sure they hated the Capcom 2d Fighters and Phantom Dust.

1. RPG made by the Final Fantasy People - The game isn't out yet, so a non-released game cannot push a system

So what are all the PS3 fanboys waiting for? The ability to play blu-ray movies?

2. Final Fantasy 11 - Already been available for along time

You're right, I bet Mario DS and Burnout Revenge 360 sales were horrible.

3. Blue Dragon (RPG with Akira Toriyama character drawings) - Again, non-released game

I dont remember making a point that they needed to be released, just that they're getting addressed.

And has it ever occured to you that MAYBE they are waiting for the PS3 to launch and then decide which system they want? Like many of us have said, we cannot afford to buy two systems - at least at launch. The Japanese have one of the highest per capita savings rates in the world so it should come as no surprise that they are extremely patient.

Also, perhaps some people who bought the Xbox felt burnt by the lack of titles that they found appealing and thus are more hesitant to buy it.

There are a number of other possible reasons but to cover MS's shortcomings by the bigotry argument of xenophobia is both ignorant and offensive.

Is "Xenophobia" the word of the day on your word a day calendar? Also, I dont remember saying anything about me being scared of the Japanese.... or any foreign people for that matter. Nor did I say that Japan was scared of Microsoft. Just merely that Japan tends to stay loyal to their own companies.

[Ecofreak]

Is "Xenophobia" the word of the day on your word a day calendar? Also, I dont remember saying anything about me being scared of the Japanese.... or any foreign people for that matter. Nor did I say that Japan was scared of Microsoft. Just merely that Japan tends to stay loyal to their own companies.

Oh, I'm sorry. You musn't be aware of the full definition of xenophobia - "Fear and contempt of strangers or foreign peoples." (From Dictionary.com)

So yes, your argument that the Japanese are loyal to their own can be viewed as "contempt" for those foreign and thus a xenophobic argument.

And about the S-Controller, it's the SAME freakin' controller of the original Xbox controller, only in this iteration usable by those w/ smaller hands. Surely you must know that the Revolution controller will have a great deal more differentiation between it and other controllers on the market, both present and future.

Feel free to address my point that many consumers are simply waiting for the PS3 and Revolution to launch before making their decision, BTW, as that is really the crux of my argument. Arguing about the Xbox's offerings in Japan isn't good as I don't have enough knowledge to hold a good debate.

[Mookyjooky]

Oh, I'm sorry. You musn't be aware of the full definition of xenophobia - "Fear and contempt of strangers or foreign peoples." (From Dictionary.com)

So yes, your argument that the Japanese are loyal to their own can be viewed as "contempt" for those foreign and thus a xenophobic argument.

I still dont think that saying "The Japanese are loyal to the Japanese Market" is the Same as "The Japanese have a lack of respect followed by an intense dislike for americans and their products".

And about the S-Controller, it's the SAME freakin' controller of the original Xbox controller, only in this iteration usable by those w/ smaller hands. Surely you must know that the Revolution controller will have a great deal more differentiation between it and other controllers on the market, both present and future.

You're right, my point is that MS listened to Japan and released the Xbox with a smaller controller in hopes to appease the japanese market.

Feel free to address my point that many consumers are simply waiting for the PS3 to launch before making their decision, BTW, as that is really the crux of my argument.

Its a good arguement, and even though you called me out and said nothing about waiting for all three to be out in the 1st statement, you did say it in the 2nd... so sure, I'm sure you would be right for a percentage of consumers. Now if you're done shifting gears, so you sound like the voice of reason... lets get back to the actually orginal arguement.

The Japanese seem to stay true to their products and Microsoft has tried to penatrate the Japanese market in a reasonable manner, (Obviously.. the s controller was a small point, but its not like they could of gave them a controller THAT radically different, right?)

-How much has Sony Grown in the last 5 years?
-How much has Nintendo? (If you say a shitload, I would agree... but only if you add in that they've pretty much abandoned the Gamecube years ago)
-But MS? Everyone hates MS, but MS is bringing to the table what the Japanese have been to lazy to bring...

They're the first out the gate with a Next Gen, after being last in with the last gen... they've brought a decent amount of exclusives for a company that doesnt have an exclusive entertainment gaming dev team. They listened to peoples complaints about the Xbox and created a wireless controller, integrated menu/online system, they used the HD to its true potential, they been the best in graphics for the past 5-6 years...

Sony brought us a same old controller, a bunch of bullshit with the PS2 and now the PS3... We're months away from launch (Yes I know its Nov now.) But we still dont know anything but concept hardware design and prerendered gameplay BS. But everyones waiting for the ball to drop, cause Sony is king.

Sony has been King for too long, and has gotten fat and lazy. Sony hasnt learned anything since the PS1 except: Dont make enough consoles, dont ever fix someones DRE, and ride Squaresofts dick all the way to the bank.

Sony has lost their edge, and developers dont seem to like the PS3, and manufacturers dont want to spend millions in converting their facilities for blu-ray... remember the Sega Saturn and its hard to code for, special discs? Yeah, Sony doesnt.

[zewone]

Console gaming > Portable gaming. Holla!

[Ecofreak]

I still dont think that saying "The Japanese are loyal to the Japanese Market" is the Same as "The Japanese have a lack of respect followed by an intense dislike for americans and their products".

True, you are not saying anything that harsh, but regardless of severity the argument is still xenophobic to some degree. At least, that's how I interpret it.

The Japanese seem to stay true to their products and Microsoft has tried to penatrate the Japanese market in a reasonable manner, (Obviously.. the s controller was a small point, but its not like they could of gave them a controller THAT radically different, right?)

With regards to the first sentence, I am assuming you are referring to just the gaming market and not all areas of consumer products. 'Cause one example of a huge commercial success for an American product is the iPod - which is clearly in the same market as Sony's portable music players.

-But MS? Everyone hates MS, but MS is bringing to the table what the Japanese have been to lazy to bring...

They're the first out the gate with a Next Gen, after being last in with the last gen... they've brought a decent amount of exclusives for a company that doesnt have an exclusive entertainment gaming dev team. They listened to peoples complaints about the Xbox and created a wireless controller, integrated menu/online system, they used the HD to its true potential, they been the best in graphics for the past 5-6 years...

True, MS has launched w/ a decent amount of titles but many average gamers and consumers who were not already in the MS camp felt like their next gen offerings felt just like current gen games, only with better graphics. And of course, it is still early in the 360's life cycle so there is no reason why that perception cannot be changed in the future.

Sony brought us a same old controller, a bunch of bullshit with the PS2 and now the PS3... We're months away from launch (Yes I know its Nov now.) But we still dont know anything but concept hardware design and prerendered gameplay BS. But everyones waiting for the ball to drop, cause Sony is king.

"A bunch of bullshit on the PS2."

Think about that for a second, seriously.

For one thing, what are you referring to? Games? B/C based on sales charts it certainly seems like a huge number of consumers are willing to buy that BS.

Sony has been King for too long, and has gotten fat and lazy. Sony hasnt learned anything since the PS1 except: Dont make enough consoles

Oh, of course. Because MS is so much better that they didn't experience shortages. You do also realize that the PS2 had sell outs during the holiday season because Sony did not forsee such huge demand over consecutive years.

You make it seem like a sell out is a bad thing - MS is just upset that they haven't experienced such a situation except during launch.

And in terms of strict economics, it's better to have shortages than excess inventory due to the fact that capital is essentially stuck in the unsold consoles.

dont ever fix someones DRE

Yea, that was no good. I don't approve the fact that they needed a court order to get the free repairs.

and ride Squaresofts dick all the way to the bank.

What are you talking about?

Sony has lost their edge, and developers dont seem to like the PS3, and manufacturers dont want to spend millions in converting their facilities for blu-ray... remember the Sega Saturn and its hard to code for, special discs? Yeah, Sony doesnt.

I agree - Sony could be in a tight bind. I honestly think that the PS3 will be a serious hit-or-miss. But despite their losing of good will they still have many key developers firmly in their camp and providing exclusive games (MGS 4, DMC3, and more but I don't keep up w/ the PS3).

[b3b0p]

Interesting.

I own all the American released games except Nintendogs, which I want someday.

I own 5 PSP games with 3 on Preorder. However, none of them are the ones listed in the OP. I consider both those games to be pretty much crap. It mystifies me how those two games sold more than any of the others available.

[Foolman]

As long as these arent Japan numbers. As Japan numbers are worthless.

I don't really care what your reaons are but labeling any country that has a gaming population as worthless seems really ignorant to me.

Anyone surprised that Tamagotchi did so well with less than stellar reviews?

[RedvsBlue]

You didn't really read anything I wrote did you? Whatever. Practicing what I'm preaching now. Have a good one.

Says the guy who has how many posts in the 360 board yet has no intention of ever buying one or even giving it a chance?

Practice what you preach?!?! Pshaw, that'll be the day.

[daroga]

Says the guy who has how many posts in the 360 board yet has no intention of ever buying one or even giving it a chance?

Practice what you preach?!?! Pshaw, that'll be the day.
So, because I don't own a 360 it's wrong for me to read and post in that forum? I'm not entirely sure where you get your information that penetrates my mind and the future, but I would appreacite it if you just stopped attacking people to feel better about yourself. I'd rather have an attack against me than, say, the OP, but I don't necessarily appreciate that either. What did this have to with the topic at hand, anyway?

For the record, if/when the 360 become a legitmate option for a CAGer (that is, not $400 for the useful system) I certainly will check it out. Please keep your asinine comments to yourself. Thanks. :)

Anyway, BACK ON TOPIC:
It will be interesting to watch these two systems as they really hit their stride to see what they do. I daresay the PSP will get a nice boost once the "next-gen" switch happens as developers opt to make the cheaper and easier PSP games than the new-fangled 360/PS3/Rev games. I'm also interested to see how much of a splash the Brain Training games make here. Do Americans care about getting smarter though? ;)

[Apossum]

teh thesis: lolz psp sux. ds roxors. sily fanboiz

Proof: I own a ds and not a psp....and sony sux.

Conclusion: ds rulz.

[RedvsBlue]

So, because I don't own a 360 it's wrong for me to read and post in that forum? I'm not entirely sure where you get your information that penetrates my mind and the future, but I would appreacite it if you just stopped attacking people to feel better about yourself. I'd rather have an attack against me than, say, the OP, but I don't necessarily appreciate that either. What did this have to with the topic at hand, anyway?

For the record, if/when the 360 become a legitmate option for a CAGer (that is, not $400 for the useful system) I certainly will check it out. Please keep your asinine comments to yourself. Thanks. :)



Whatever. Practicing what I'm preaching now. Have a good one.
Guess not huh? See, you could chose to ignore my comment and not said anything but you had to respond to something that you were unhappy with. That's exactly where I was coming from when I posted my first comment in this thread. I'm tired of every other seeing one blatant fanboy thread after another. Could I ignore it? Sure, but that doesn't mean that they are going to go away. Can you ignore me? Sure, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go away.

[daroga]

Guess not huh? See, you could chose to ignore my comment and not said anything but you had to respond to something that you were unhappy with. That's exactly where I was coming from when I posted my first comment in this thread. I'm tired of every other seeing one blatant fanboy thread after another. Could I ignore it? Sure, but that doesn't mean that they are going to go away. Can you ignore me? Sure, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go away.
Silly kid. There's a different between jumping on someone's case "OMG teh FANOYSZ!!!!11" and defending yourself from baseless accusations. If the OP had said something like, "RedvsBlue is stupid because he thinks the PSP is better than the DS" that's different than replying to his inital post here. And I think this conversation ends here. If you want to talk more about this, please bring it to my PM box.

Carry on threaders...

[RedvsBlue]

Silly kid. There's a different between jumping on someone's case "OMG teh FANOYSZ!!!!11" and defending yourself from baseless accusations. If the OP had said something like, "RedvsBlue is stupid because he thinks the PSP is better than the DS" that's different than replying to his inital post here. And I think this conversation ends here. If you want to talk more about this, please bring it to my PM box.

Carry on threaders...

Oh I see so someone can only respond to comments/ideas if they are directed at them specifically. You should get into politics. Wait, I mean people with the screen name daroga should get into politics.

[mykevermin]

Since my statement was about the industry in general, and not about this petty PSP vs DS garbage, I can see why you would get confused.

A. Obviously Sony didnt relocate to Iowa, but thanks for being ignorant. But you cant tell me that the Xbox sales in Japan being so poor are because the Xbox sucks that bad. Xbox has catered to Japan personally, and the Japanese are loyal to their own, thats fine... but lets not act like it doesnt exist.

If you're going to draw general conclusions, be clear about it. As you prefaced this entire post by admitting to not contextualizing your post enough to make it clear, why try to support your arguments? They may be valid, but that's not what's being debated in this thread.

Ignorant means "not to know." Seeing as how it requires knowledge to be a smart ass, I may be a jerk, but I am not ignorant.

B. Growing up in Florida, and going to school in a school with 50% spainish speaking only students... let me tell you, population charts for america are completely wrong. Also, how much of the populace plays video games? Guessing, but being that its a market for 14-28 year old boys, lets say 10%. But thats only a guess. Roughly 1/3? Thats roughly a 20 million person difference... now you add in the rest of the world who also doesnt give a shit about dating sims and 2d retro RPGs on the PS2... and you see why Grand Theft Auto is the number one selling license of this generation of consoles in the world. Even though, I fucking hate GTA... its a fact. Japan, or any other ONE country's sales really means jack shit. But I would guess, and still only a guess, that more people buy video games in america than any country in the world, so if it mattered anywhere, it would surely be here.

I haven't the slightest fucking idea what you're trying to say here. Honestly. It's totally gibberish. I think you're a grown-up, but I had to remind myself of that after reading this. Some people shouldn't be permitted to type their streams of consciousness. You are certainly one of them.

C. Dont even try to be ignorant a spout some internet fad as an american fad. Especially some fark, something aweful or YTMND fads. The fad Im talking about is something that takes a nation storm, like the macarana dance or tamagotchis... dont even try to act like some ignorant website fad means anything to anyone. And if you read my post, you would see I used the word "more than", not "america doesnt have fads and Japan does". Also, I know what the hell a "fad" is, and even if I didnt, I could goto dictionary.com just like you did to make yourself look intelligent. So please, stop posting defintions in here, we all know how to look them up.. you're not special.

Please, stop trying to make transparent arguments for the sake of arguing.

I'm talking about the definition of a fad. I know it because that's what I study (well, a small part of it anyway). My point was that you can't compare the *duration* of a fad because if it deviates from a particular lifespan (too short or too long), then it's no longer a fucking *fad*. It's *fashion* or *culture* or some other term that designates culturally appropriate means of behavior.

FAD: slap bracelets
CULTURE: pants
FAD: The macarena (a perfect example)
CULTURE: Waltz
FAD: "Bubble Tea"
CULTURE: McDonald's

The major difference is is time duration of popularity and appropriateness. You can wear pants today and not be made fun of, but if you were sporting legwarmers and a Pittsburgh Pirates "painters cap"? You'd be laughed at from both front and behind. Some behaviors are foolish in retrospect. My only argument was that you were trying to argue something was different about their fads. Mine was that fads don't vary that much, or else they're no longer fads. I'm sorry you made a crappy argument.

[Apossum]

FAD: slap bracelets

these are overdue for a revival.

[daroga]

these are overdue for a revival.
Totally, I haven't slit my wrist with something in a while. ;)

[soonersfan60]

I think these threads continue to pop up, because the DS's dominance over the PSP is almost comical. Sony thought they were going to march into the handheld market, and kick Nintendo square in their teeth. So far, they've been wrong.

You also have to take into consideration the fact that Nintendo fanboys had to listen, for years, about how Sony crushed Nintendo in the "console war." Now, they finally have something they can use against Sony to make themselves feel good about the corporation they love. Sounds awkward, doesn't it?

This is a great post--I couldn't have said it better myself. :applause:
Too bad it will probably be missed by the majority of people who don't want to wade through the fanboy flamewar into which this thread has degenerated...

Dane.

[Ecofreak]

I think these threads continue to pop up, because the DS's dominance over the PSP is almost comical. Sony thought they were going to march into the handheld market, and kick Nintendo square in their teeth. So far, they've been wrong.

You also have to take into consideration the fact that Nintendo fanboys had to listen, for years, about how Sony crushed Nintendo in the "console war." Now, they finally have something they can use against Sony to make themselves feel good about the corporation they love. Sounds awkward, doesn't it?

Here here! Indeed, very well said. :applause:

And while I am no fanboy, I am glad to hear that *finally* Nintendo is getting a great deal more props than flak.

[dmpolska]

And Japan numbers are worthless because the Japanese are:

A. Extremely loyal and biased to Japanese software and Hardware.
B. Japan is the Size of Florida.
C. Japan is a ruled by the latest fad even more than the US is.


That is SO ignorant that it's just sad.

[2poor]

these are overdue for a revival.

Fuck that. We want the yo-yo! :P

[Monsta Mack]

The scary part is Animal Crossing is still selling like hotcakes down there, so should be catching up with Mario Kart in no time.