Will the Lakers finish off the Timberwolves tonight?

[bignick]

I think they will. Shaq and Kobe are gonna dominate, AGAIN!

[guyver2077]

hope not but i really dont care who wins

[Moxio]

I'm thinking the Lakers win the series, but I think the T-Wolves will win this game, and the Lakers then finish them off later.

[swetooth9]

agree w/ moximo...but t-wolves are my fav team...i want them to win it all but that is like wishing to win the lottery...the odds are against us
:(

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

As far as I'm concerned, the playoffs are over.

[goldengraham]

I said Lakers in 5 in the beginning of the series, and I'm sticking to it tonight. Once they beat the Spurs, I think you could have handed them the Championship. (Although the Pistons may give them some trouble, if they get there that is)

[chosen1s]

If the T-Wolves would put any effort whatsoever into rebounding this would have been a completely different series.

The whole team looks like a deer in headlights when they get to the offensive side of the court. It's too bad because with minimal effort at pulling a rebound and an actual team strategy on offense other than "Plan A - Garnett, Plan B - Garnett, Plan C - Garnett" they would have a series on their hands.

[swetooth9]

If the T-Wolves would put any effort whatsoever into rebounding this would have been a completely different series.

The whole team looks like a deer in headlights when they get to the offensive side of the court. It's too bad because with minimal effort at pulling a rebound and an actual team strategy on offense other than "Plan A - Garnett, Plan B - Garnett, Plan C - Garnett" they would have a series on their hands.

damn...those ARE some great plans though :D

[bignick]

lakers 2, t-wolves 0

[bignick]

lakers 6, t-wolves 0

t-wolves take a time out to talk about it.

[Cracka]

*watching*

i'm goin for the lakers.

[bignick]

*watching*

ok, I'll stop with the updates.

[x0thedeadzone0x]

Well I have one thing to say.
Kobe is a rapist.

And go either one

[Cracka]

Cracka wrote:
*watching*


ok, I'll stop with the updates.

i was just lettin yall know that i'm watchin the game, ur updates werent bothering me.

[Cracka]

lmao i like the announcers..

"when he pounds his chest, this is his way of remembering his friends back in North Carolina"

[tyecko]

did anyone just see mad dawg mormon dunk

[swetooth9]

actually bignick..the updates are helpful...please post your opinions w/ the score..that would be great, thanks :D

[bignick]

lakers 21, t-wolves 14

sreewell has been keeping the wolves in the game.

[swetooth9]

lmao i like the announcers..

"when he pounds his chest, this is his way of remembering his friends back in North Carolina"

yea...that would be me :D

[tyecko]

south carolina

[bignick]

Well I have one thing to say.
Kobe is a rapist.

And go either one

I really doubt that. The girl he slept with wanted it. She banged another dude later that day! She is just looking for money.

[Moxio]

Alright it's 21-14, end of period. Lakers wining.

[Mustang O-Line 75]

Kobe is a rapist.


Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

(Please note that this post does not condone the actions of adultery and promiscuous sex by one Kobe Bryant, or the defaming of the alleged victim by the prosecution thank you and when you quote me, you lose :P )

[swetooth9]

tied :D

[bignick]

23 all. Lakers take a time out. a 13-3 run by the timberwolves. Spreewell agian is the man.

[Moxio]

Garnett's already got 7 rebounds, although he has no points.

Intense.

[bignick]

Fisher drains a 3.

lakers 26 twolves 25

[Moxio]

Hmmm they took out Bryant and Malone.

[swetooth9]

man..if the t-wolves accidently tipped the ball in their own basket on that rebound, i would have thrown the remote right at the tv....

[Cracka]

i like the lakers... and their team is stacked.. and alot of people expect them to win most games, but whenever a team is expected to win, i always end up goin for the underdog.. like right now i'm wantin the timberwolves to win even though i like the lakers..

[bignick]

www.Bitterwaitress.com

[swetooth9]

did u see that crazy tip by madsen on shaq?!! nice!!! :D

[starman9000]

Nice run by the Wolves.


Does anyone have some good photo editing skills? Id like to see a shot of all the lakers in there whiniest moments (there are plenty every game), it seems to get worse every game. Now they whine even when they get the call. Anyway, it would be fun to see that.

[Wshakspear]

I want the Lakers to win(along with the pistons) to see an old school match with the new school of players..and i want the Pistons to win...badly.

[bignick]

Well, the lakers fucked up and are down 6. ha ha ha fuck, cause shaq fucked up! The 3rd quarter has been the lakers wquarter inthis series so far, so we shall see.

[swetooth9]

lol fuck shaq

[bignick]

www.Bitterwaitress.com
man this site makes me want to not tip, or just leave a dollar bill with www.bitterwaitress.com on it!

[Cracka]

lookin bad for the lakers

[Moxio]

74-86, Minnesota up.

Hoo boy, the Lakers are in hot water -- 4th quarter, about 5 mins left.

[swetooth9]

that's good news :D

[x0thedeadzone0x]

This is gonna be a good one, I can just FEEL it! :D

[Cracka]

80-86 T.W. up

[Moxio]

6-0 run by the Lakers.

[swetooth9]

15 seconds w/ t-wolves leadin by 8 :D

[Moxio]

The Wolves have it in the bag. They win.

Just like I predicted. Hahahaha.

[bignick]

Lakers blew this one, oh well, now they are gonna finish it up at home in style.

[Moxio]

Lakers blew this one, oh well, now they are gonna finish it up at home in style.

Hehe, typical Lakers.

[starman9000]

Lakers blew this one, oh well, now they are gonna finish it up at home in style.

Hehe, typical Lakers.

I dont know, the wolves ended the Lakers streak of consecutive elimination game wins. Now maybe they can end Phil Jackson ridiculous run of winning playoff series when winning game one. Long shot, but hey I have to hold on to some hope.

[swetooth9]

Lakers blew this one, oh well, now they are gonna finish it up at home in style.

:cry: i-i think im ready....its been a good season :cry:

[Cracka]

i want the timberwolves to win lol

[Moxio]

Game over.

Final score:

LA: 96
MINN: 98

MINN wins.

[bignick]

What a crazy last shot by Fisher! That would have been awesome if it sent it into overtime. But Shag fouled out, so he wouldnt have been able to play.

[Moxio]

Yeah that was a great shot.

Overall, a good game. The Lakers came back from a rather large deficit, but it wasn't enough.

Looking forward to game 6!

[bignick]

Ya, I dont know what was wrong with the lakers tonight. Kobe needs to go to court before every game!

[rvdrock]

LA took the night off...and will come out in Game 6 in LA and win by 10+

[Moxio]

I sure hope so.

I've made bets the Lakers will win this series. -.-

[tyecko]

fuck yeah go wolves, they represent well

[ex0]

Aren't the Lakers undefeated at Staples Center this playoff year?

[paz9x]

Aren't the Lakers undefeated at Staples Center this playoff year?
that they are. Atleast I have a game to watch while im bbqin it up monday

[magilacudy]

The Twolves might win the next game, I sort of have a feeling they will. I hate to say it but they aren't going to win the series. Hopefully the Pistons can put up a good fight.

[starman9000]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/basketball/nba/specials/playoffs/2004/05/29/bc.bkn.karl.kobe.ap/index.html

Isnt this just the most heartwarming story you have ever read :)

[Moxio]

That made my insides melt.

[Lootr2Core]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/basketball/nba/specials/playoffs/2004/05/29/bc.bkn.karl.kobe.ap/index.html

Isnt this just the most heartwarming story you have ever read :)


A few points: (note sarcasm)

Is anyone else sick of the 'Kobe is so strong and heroic because he goes from Court to Court"? Dang makes me wish OJ still played football when he was in court.

What a great person, it really sucks that I can't watch the T-wolves play the lakers because I don't want to have my sons ask "What is sexual assualt?" What is adultry? Why was that guy late for the game?

Is this story part of Kobe's defense? Subliminal perhaps but I think they are trying to plant the idea that "He couldn't have raped that woman cause he is in a homosexual relationship of some sort with Karl Malone." in the jury pool.

Nothing makes you prouder than Kobe's defense team trying to get around the Shield Law stating that a person's past history is not relavant to a sexual assualt trial. Oh I just love hearing Kobe basically say, well she deserved it or she was asking for it...just look at what a slut she has been.

Well that is enough of a rant, thank you starman9000 for raising my blood pressure.

[Cracka]

well she kinda was a whore... after having sex with him, she went and had sex with another guy later that night

[starman9000]

I guess we can all line up and drive down to Colorado and take turns with her, since she is a whore and all.

[Lootr2Core]

well she kinda was a whore... after having sex with him, she went and had sex with another guy later that night

Ah I see, so since she is a who, she can never be raped. Let's pack up the truck children, we're going to Colorado to get some sex. Its a 'for sure' thing since she can't say no.

[Cracka]

no... the fact that she's a whore shows that she probably didnt get raped.. dumbass.. she just wants some money.

[Lootr2Core]

no... the fact that she's a whore shows that she probably didnt get raped.. dumbass.. she just wants some money.

So someone who has sex before perhaps even lots of times takes away the right/ability to say no? Oh, and I do love being called a dumbass, if I were one I'd care but if that makes you feel like you are smarter and a big man, well keep calling me names. She just wants money? Has she filed a civil suit?

[Lootr2Core]

no... the fact that she's a whore shows that she probably didnt get raped.. dumbass.. she just wants some money.

Man I hope your not a whore (meaning you have slept around a bit) cause I know someone whose name is Bubba K who would love to play some cheap ass games with ya.

[Moxio]

Alright the Pistons won game 5 of their series, leading 3-2. They're planning to clinch it at home.

[Cracka]

well from the way you talk, you were obviously there and heard her say No.

what is the evidence against him?

the fact that she sleeps around, and i believe she was also checked into a mental facility before.

when i said that she's a whore and that after having sex with her, she went and had sex with another man, was obviously meant as me saying that it was more than likely consentual, and that she wasnt raped.

when i said she just wants money, i obviously meant that she wasnt raped, she is just claiming to have been raped, because she knows he's rich, and she probably figured if she claimed to have been raped, she would either get a paid by Kobe just to shut the hell up, or she'd end up getting money by prosecuting him.

this would be an example of you being a dumbass:

Cracka wrote:
no... the fact that she's a whore shows that she probably didnt get raped.. dumbass.. she just wants some money.


So someone who has sex before perhaps even lots of times takes away the right/ability to say no? Oh, and I do love being called a dumbass, if I were one I'd care but if that makes you feel like you are smarter and a big man, well keep calling me names. She just wants money? Has she filed a civil suit?

1st off, a whore isnt someone who has "had sex before".. if so, anybody who is not a virgin would be classified as a whore.

2nd i said that since she likes to have casual sex, she more than likely was not forced to have sex. After reading that, you thought i meant that she had no right to say no?

3rd i said she just wants money. Anyone who is not a dumbass would realize that i meant she is claiming to have been raped just so she could get money.


But i'd like to hear about the evidence against him. What evidence do you have that leads people to believe that she was raped?

[ex0]

Why would Kobe even rape a woman (I really don't think he raped her)? His wife is damn hot.

[Lootr2Core]

You ask alot about the evidence against him yet you keep putting out as fact rumor. "The fact she sleeps around" you say, where is the proof of this, even if there is it really doesn't matter. If your Sister (or my sister for that matter) slept around does that take away her right to say no? If this was your mother or sister would you be so quick to say "she must have wanted it" Even if my sister was a 'slut' and slept with everyone I still would fight for her right to say no. I don't claim to say Iknow she said no, but you seem to be convinced that it WAS consensual. There is some evidence, but we have wait and hope for a fair trial for the truth to come out. I don't know if he is guilty or not, but I want to know everything first. Really he has more strikes against him more than her as he is MARRIED, he has a strike against him in my mind as even if he didn't rape her he was doing something that he shouldn't have been doing. He shouldn't go to jail for adultry, however it taints my image of him.

If she checked into a thousand mental facilities really shouldn't matter, IF she said no. Has Kobe been in a mental facility before? If not what is his excuse for his crime (either rape or adultry)?



this would be an example of you being a dumbass:

Cracka wrote:
no... the fact that she's a whore shows that she probably didnt get raped.. dumbass.. she just wants some money.

Boy you are showing your smarts with that quote. The fact that you are in idiot proves that you are going to pay me $1,000.


So someone who has sex before perhaps even lots of times takes away the right/ability to say no? Oh, and I do love being called a dumbass, if I were one I'd care but if that makes you feel like you are smarter and a big man, well keep calling me names. She just wants money? Has she filed a civil suit?

1st off, a whore isnt someone who has "had sex before".. if so, anybody who is not a virgin would be classified as a whore.

Oh Crap, I've had sex with my wife, great now I'm a whore and she is to. OK that must mean that both I and she are waiting to be raped. Do you have more IQ than a turnip?

2nd i said that since she likes to have casual sex, she more than likely was not forced to have sex. After reading that, you thought i meant that she had no right to say no?

Why is that? Casual sex means ok to rape?

3rd i said she just wants money. Anyone who is not a dumbass would realize that i meant she is claiming to have been raped just so she could get money.

So why isn't she filing a civil suit. Kinda like the kicker from the U of Col. she didn't try for money but for change.

But i'd like to hear about the evidence against him. What evidence do you have that leads people to believe that she was raped?[/quote]

I am gonna wait for the evidence, but in my mind he has a strike against him as he is a married man who committed adultery. Perhaps he raped, perhaps he didn't, no matter what he is no hero.

[Cracka]

ok you're still not getting it...


when i say that she has casual sex, i'm not saying that its ok to rape her.. i'm saying that, this would lead people to believe that this possibly isnt rape.

i'm not saying that he didnt rape her.. but knowing that she does have casual sex, and knowing that she was checked into a mental clinic.. leads me to believe that it may not have been rape.

[Lootr2Core]

ok you're still not getting it...


when i say that she has casual sex, i'm not saying that its ok to rape her.. i'm saying that, this would lead people to believe that this possibly isnt rape.

i'm not saying that he didnt rape her.. but knowing that she does have casual sex, and knowing that she was checked into a mental clinic.. leads me to believe that it may not have been rape.

And I'm thinking, he is married and shouldn't be in that position anyway, He is innocent until proven guilty but he takes many strikes because of his adultery, his statement to police, and the blood. I'm writing in favor of the notion that we need to stop treating kobe like a hero because of his ability to play well the same day as a trial thing. He shouldn't have been in that position to begin with, so I'm not gonna cut him any slack. He might be guilty, he might not, but no matter what he is not someone I want my kids watching.

[Cracka]

i agree that whether or not it was rape, he did commit adultery, and shouldn't be made to look like a hero when he shows up for a game late because he was in court.

[Lootr2Core]

During the latest NBA playoff broadcast the following statements came up (not exact quotes)

Kobe came back from his sexual assualt hearing today from Colorado.

Kobe's defense team is arguing for the defendants past sexual history to be admitted.

DNA samples from Bryant's semen is being check along with a pair of 'dirty' underwear from the defendant. (Checking sexual history i.e. sperm deposits in underwear of the defendant)

There is blood on the chair, which is not disputed by either side.



Gee this is all stuff I want my kids to hear.

[bignick]

Tonight will be the night that the Lakers rise to glory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

[bignick]

i agree that whether or not it was rape, he did commit adultery, and shouldn't be made to look like a hero when he shows up for a game late because he was in court.


Thats a great way to put it. But hey, it unfortunately worked for Clinton.

[swetooth9]

Why would Kobe even rape a woman (I really don't think he raped her)? His wife is damn hot.

THANK YOU!!! that's the EXACT thing i was thinking!!! :twisted:

[tyecko]

lakers will fall tonight, just like how kobe "fell" on that chick

[SevereTireDamage]

Why would Kobe even rape a woman (I really don't think he raped her)? His wife is damn hot.

THANK YOU!!! that's the EXACT thing i was thinking!!! :twisted:

But by the same thinking, why would he cheat on that? And at the very minimum he's admitted to that.

And who thought Clinton was a hero for... you know... "doing his job while having a job done to him"? Publically anyway, heh. I don't think anyone seriously advocated it, the same way people are talking about Kobe now. But I'm gonna stop now.

[stocker08]

GO TIMBERWOLVES!!! Being a minnesota native(lol) i would like to think that the T-Wovles can win but its a bad chance.........but wait i still live in MN so would that make me a native of MN? lol....

[tyecko]

stocker which part of MN? Wayzata over here.

[Mustang O-Line 75]

but if you were a HARDCORE minnesota fan, you would like the lakers...

[Moxio]

Oh right, Minneapolis Lakers, correct?

[tyecko]

true, but I grew up with the wolves, if I was 60 years old I may like the lakers.

[stocker08]

agreed. i used to live in Maple Grove MN but i moved up by Elk River. In Rogers to be exact!

[b3b0p]

Former MN native here too! Born and mostly raised. Then had to move :( I miss the

[Moxio]

Alright Game 6 is underway!

LAKERS VS TIMBERWOLVES

Right now Bryant and Sprewell have the show.

Current score: 26-33, Lakers in the lead. =)

[bignick]

33-30 lakers

[Moxio]

31-38 Lakers.

[bignick]

33-40 lakers

[Renzokuken]

Whoa Lakers have 10 fouls for the 2nd quarter.

[rjblazed]

Did you see that lob to shaq? That was a perfect pass.

[Moxio]

40-44 Lakers. Wow, this is turning out to be a good game. :D

[Renzokuken]

Violence against women is wrong guys. Never abuse them.

[Moxio]

Violence against women is wrong guys. Never abuse them.

...What?

44-48 Lakers

[Renzokuken]

Violence against women is wrong guys. Never abuse them.

...What?

44-48 Lakers

There was just a commercial about that...



Edit: wth? shaq has 4 fouls and kobe has 3?!

[Moxio]

46-48 Lakers, end of period.

[anth0ny]

My boy kareem rush is really stepping it up tonight. Go LAKERS!

[bignick]

I love that sig, its so funny.

[ZForce915]

As of the 3rd quarter it's still a close game. But even if they don't win tonight, the series is theirs.

[bobo2k4]

Damn Kareem Rush is ruining everything.
Good thing Shaq has been fucking up his free throws and Kobe got into foul trouble early.

[bignick]

Shaq jsut got foul number 5. FUCK!!! So when do you think CAG will get sued for using fuck?

[Cracka]

bah.. i hope the T wolves win :(

i dont think CAG will ever get sued.. lmao the judge will just be like.... what the shaq-fu is shaq-fu?

[bobo2k4]

Damn kremy rush did it again.....

hahaha the word f_ck has been edited to say fuck, thats pretty cool.

I dont think T'wolves will make it past....

[wargoat]

Kg is a hoss, they are gonna win this one. And skanks just tryin to get kobe's money. There was a movie called entrapment, kobe is living it in real life
.

[fifthcore]

Shaq sucks, but I think the Lakers will still win up by 10

[Mr. Anderson]

WTF?! ARE THERE NO FOULS IN BASKETBALL ANYMORE?! DAMN CHEATERS!

[bignick]

Suck it Laker Haters. H AH AHA HA HAHA HA SUCK IT SUCK SUCK IT!

[swetooth9]

DAMNIT!!! FUCK THE LAKERS :cry:

[bobo2k4]

DAMN IT!!!!!!

Those Lakers and their whore ass players.
I sure hope my Pacers will finish them off.

[Cracka]

they only won by 6 :-P

[swetooth9]

sorry bobo, i hate the lakers too, but w/ jermaine semi-injured and tinsley's whole left leg beat up...i think the pistons will win it b/c they're already up 3-2 anyway...then i hope pistons beat the lakers

[wargoat]

Pacers? are you shittin me? Detroit and Lakers. guaranteed

[bobo2k4]

sorry bobo, i hate the lakers too, but w/ jermaine semi-injured and tinsley's whole left leg beat up...i think the pistons will win it b/c they're already up 3-2 anyway...then i hope pistons beat the lakers

yea i know... :(
I knew it was bad when jermaine injured his eye and Tinsely only can play like 2 minutes a game.

Good thing im a Pistons fan too. The law firm of Wallace, Wallace and Hamilton should do it. :D

[swetooth9]

lol...then why did u say that pacers will win if u like both teams and pacers are doin so bad? :D

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

Congrats to David Stern's favorite team!

Congrats to no skill Shaq and "I can't keep my dick in my pants" Byrant!

Congrats to Malone and Payton for joining a team that has 2 of the top 5 best players in the NBA and go to the NBA Finals to most likely win it!

Luck The Fakers

[rjblazed]

HAHAHA sounds like a sore loser sacramento queens fan.

[bignick]

Congrats to David Stern's favorite team!

Congrats to no skill Shaq and "I can't keep my dick in my pants" Byrant!

Congrats to Malone and Payton for joining a team that has 2 of the top 5 best players in the NBA and go to the NBA Finals to most likely win it!

Luck The Fakers

Sounds like someone is jealous. SUCK IT LAKER HATER. Your Kings suck more dick than that skank that is exploiting Kobe.

[Cracka]

lol

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

HAHAHA sounds like a sore loser sacramento queens fan.

Queens? How original. :roll:

Congrats to David Stern's favorite team!

Congrats to no skill Shaq and "I can't keep my dick in my pants" Byrant!

Congrats to Malone and Payton for joining a team that has 2 of the top 5 best players in the NBA and go to the NBA Finals to most likely win it!

Luck The Fakers

Sounds like someone is jealous. SUCK IT LAKER HATER. Your Kings suck more dick than that skank that is exploiting Kobe.

Suck what? Your dick? I know you'd like that, but I don't do that.

Calling "that girl" a skank when Kobe might of raped her is illogical. At least what I said is true.

Anyways, I won't get into an argument about this. It's Lakers moment and I won't ruin it even though I can. Good year, tough injuries, pulled through. Good luck in the Finals. Just remember, Lakers needed the help of 2 future HOFers to get to this point.

[bignick]

HAHAHA sounds like a sore loser sacramento queens fan.

Queens? How original. :roll:

Congrats to David Stern's favorite team!

Congrats to no skill Shaq and "I can't keep my dick in my pants" Byrant!

Congrats to Malone and Payton for joining a team that has 2 of the top 5 best players in the NBA and go to the NBA Finals to most likely win it!

Luck The Fakers

Sounds like someone is jealous. SUCK IT LAKER HATER. Your Kings suck more dick than that skank that is exploiting Kobe.

Suck what? Your dick? I know you'd like that, but I don't do that.

Calling "that girl" a skank when Kobe might of raped her is illogical. At least what I said is true.

Anyways, I won't get into an argument about this. It's Lakers moment and I won't ruin it even though I can. Good year, tough injuries, pulled through. Good luck in the Finals. Just remember, Lakers needed the help of 2 future HOFers to get to this point.
SUCK IT, KINGS SUCK. Who cares who they have on their team. They came to LA, LA didnt come to them. That girl is a skank. Having semen from several different guys in her panties!!! The whole kings team goes to San Francisco every night to get fucked up the ass by more homos.

[Cracka]

lmao this is gettin ugly

*random guy shouts* MORTAL KOMBAT

[magilacudy]

Shit.

I couldn't bear to watch so I turned the game off with about 6 minutes left. I said it before, but I really hope the Pistons (honestly don't think Pacers are going to beat them) put up a good fight in the finals.

I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with onewingedangel. I'm a Kings fan too. That being said, I don't hate the Lakers as much as I hate Lakers fans - most of them are superficial, shallow and arrogant.

[rjblazed]

Yea 3 and soon to be 4 titles in 5 years does make us a little arrogant, but seems like good reason to be. Eliminating sacramento from the playoffs has just been a little cherry on top the last couple years.

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

HAHAHA sounds like a sore loser sacramento queens fan.

Queens? How original. :roll:

Congrats to David Stern's favorite team!

Congrats to no skill Shaq and "I can't keep my dick in my pants" Byrant!

Congrats to Malone and Payton for joining a team that has 2 of the top 5 best players in the NBA and go to the NBA Finals to most likely win it!

Luck The Fakers

Sounds like someone is jealous. SUCK IT LAKER HATER. Your Kings suck more dick than that skank that is exploiting Kobe.

Suck what? Your dick? I know you'd like that, but I don't do that.

Calling "that girl" a skank when Kobe might of raped her is illogical. At least what I said is true.

Anyways, I won't get into an argument about this. It's Lakers moment and I won't ruin it even though I can. Good year, tough injuries, pulled through. Good luck in the Finals. Just remember, Lakers needed the help of 2 future HOFers to get to this point.
SUCK IT, KINGS SUCK. Who cares who they have on their team. They came to LA, LA didnt come to them. That girl is a skank. Having semen from several different guys in her panties!!! The whole kings team goes to San Francisco every night to get shaq-fued up the ass by more homos.

I don't need to deal with Laker fans with no knowledge, which is many people. I'm not going to discuss the Kobe situation since we don't have evidence at our fingers tips.

I agree, they came to LA, LA didn't go to them, but that's exactly my point. 2 future HOFers half-assed there way to the NBA Finals knowning well there great players, but I find it funny both players came to LA to team with 2 great players.

Wasn't Phil Jackson the coach of the team that eliminated the team Malone was playing for? I like how players give up there reputation for a ring that they don't deserve.

[rjblazed]

So people knock players for playing for money and not love of the game and then they knock them for playing for a championship and giving up all the big money?

[bignick]

HAHAHA sounds like a sore loser sacramento queens fan.

Queens? How original. :roll:

Congrats to David Stern's favorite team!

Congrats to no skill Shaq and "I can't keep my dick in my pants" Byrant!

Congrats to Malone and Payton for joining a team that has 2 of the top 5 best players in the NBA and go to the NBA Finals to most likely win it!

Luck The Fakers

Sounds like someone is jealous. SUCK IT LAKER HATER. Your Kings suck more dick than that skank that is exploiting Kobe.

Suck what? Your dick? I know you'd like that, but I don't do that.

Calling "that girl" a skank when Kobe might of raped her is illogical. At least what I said is true.

Anyways, I won't get into an argument about this. It's Lakers moment and I won't ruin it even though I can. Good year, tough injuries, pulled through. Good luck in the Finals. Just remember, Lakers needed the help of 2 future HOFers to get to this point.
SUCK IT, KINGS SUCK. Who cares who they have on their team. They came to LA, LA didnt come to them. That girl is a skank. Having semen from several different guys in her panties!!! The whole kings team goes to San Francisco every night to get shaq-fued up the ass by more homos.

I don't need to deal with Laker fans with no knowledge, which is many people. I'm not going to discuss the Kobe situation since we don't have evidence at our fingers tips.

I agree, they came to LA, LA didn't go to them, but that's exactly my point. 2 future HOFers half-assed there way to the NBA Finals knowning well there great players, but I find it funny both players came to LA to team with 2 great players.

Wasn't Phil Jackson the coach of the team that eliminated the team Malone was playing for? I like how players give up there reputation for a ring that they don't deserve.
SUCK IT

[bobo2k4]

lol...then why did u say that pacers will win if u like both teams and pacers are doin so bad? :D

I'm just a bigger Pacers fan. Even tho they are the enemy of the Bulls i still love em. :D

[magilacudy]

So people knock players for playing for money and not love of the game and then they knock them for playing for a championship and giving up all the big money?

Honestly I don't know. I lost some respect for GP when he pretty much deserted Seattle in search of the ring. Granted he was in a crappy situation with the owner, but it seemed selfish of him. Malone on the other hand, he's a dumb ox like Jimmy Kimmel portrayed him as.

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

So people knock players for playing for money and not love of the game and then they knock them for playing for a championship and giving up all the big money?

Don't get me started on the money crap. Both Malone and Payton have made enough for their children's children to live off of.

[magilacudy]

Wasn't Phil Jackson the coach of the team that eliminated the team Malone was playing for? I like how players give up there reputation for a ring that they don't deserve.

Anyone notice Bryon Russell on the Lakers bench tonight? Not only did he go to a Jackson coached team, he also played with MJ on the Wizards. I think whatever reputation he built up was lost a long time ago.

[bignick]

So people knock players for playing for money and not love of the game and then they knock them for playing for a championship and giving up all the big money?

Honestly I don't know. I lost some respect for GP when he pretty much deserted Seattle in search of the ring. Granted he was in a crappy situation with the owner, but it seemed selfish of him. Malone on the other hand, he's a dumb ox like Jimmy Kimmel portrayed him as.

There is no loyalty in basketball or any other pro sport. This is profrssional backetball. The goal isnt to have fun, it is to win. If I was Malone/Payton, i would have done the same thing.

[anth0ny]

HAHAHA sounds like a sore loser sacramento queens fan.

Queens? How original. :roll:

Congrats to David Stern's favorite team!

Congrats to no skill Shaq and "I can't keep my dick in my pants" Byrant!

Congrats to Malone and Payton for joining a team that has 2 of the top 5 best players in the NBA and go to the NBA Finals to most likely win it!

Luck The Fakers

Sounds like someone is jealous. SUCK IT LAKER HATER. Your Kings suck more dick than that skank that is exploiting Kobe.

Suck what? Your dick? I know you'd like that, but I don't do that.

Calling "that girl" a skank when Kobe might of raped her is illogical. At least what I said is true.

Anyways, I won't get into an argument about this. It's Lakers moment and I won't ruin it even though I can. Good year, tough injuries, pulled through. Good luck in the Finals. Just remember, Lakers needed the help of 2 future HOFers to get to this point.
SUCK IT, KINGS SUCK. Who cares who they have on their team. They came to LA, LA didnt come to them. That girl is a skank. Having semen from several different guys in her panties!!! The whole kings team goes to San Francisco every night to get shaq-fued up the ass by more homos.

I don't need to deal with Laker fans with no knowledge, which is many people. I'm not going to discuss the Kobe situation since we don't have evidence at our fingers tips.

I agree, they came to LA, LA didn't go to them, but that's exactly my point. 2 future HOFers half-assed there way to the NBA Finals knowning well there great players, but I find it funny both players came to LA to team with 2 great players.

Wasn't Phil Jackson the coach of the team that eliminated the team Malone was playing for? I like how players give up there reputation for a ring that they don't deserve.

you wouldn't be saying that if malone and payton signed with your kings..malone's defensive capabilities= beyond Slava's and former laker power forwards (ex: samaki walker, madsen); and his passing game is amazing; you obviously miss all the little things he does for the Lakers by saying that he and payton doesn't deserve the rings.
payton- played in ever lakers game this season, provided vocal leadership and knowledge of the game (ex: set that last play for fisher in that pivotal game 5 against the Spurs)

[rjblazed]

Just sounds like crap from sacramento fans who have thought it was their year the last four years and come up short.

[anth0ny]

Just sounds like crap from sacramento fans who have thought it was their year the last four years and come up short.


i concur

[bignick]

Just sounds like crap from sacramento fans who have thought it was their year the last four years and come up short.


i concur
motion passed.

[Mustang O-Line 75]

HAHAHAHA! You try to have an intelligent conversation and everyone looks like jackasses!

p.s. go lakers

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

HAHAHA sounds like a sore loser sacramento queens fan.

Queens? How original. :roll:

Congrats to David Stern's favorite team!

Congrats to no skill Shaq and "I can't keep my dick in my pants" Byrant!

Congrats to Malone and Payton for joining a team that has 2 of the top 5 best players in the NBA and go to the NBA Finals to most likely win it!

Luck The Fakers

Sounds like someone is jealous. SUCK IT LAKER HATER. Your Kings suck more dick than that skank that is exploiting Kobe.

Suck what? Your dick? I know you'd like that, but I don't do that.

Calling "that girl" a skank when Kobe might of raped her is illogical. At least what I said is true.

Anyways, I won't get into an argument about this. It's Lakers moment and I won't ruin it even though I can. Good year, tough injuries, pulled through. Good luck in the Finals. Just remember, Lakers needed the help of 2 future HOFers to get to this point.
SUCK IT, KINGS SUCK. Who cares who they have on their team. They came to LA, LA didnt come to them. That girl is a skank. Having semen from several different guys in her panties!!! The whole kings team goes to San Francisco every night to get shaq-fued up the ass by more homos.

I don't need to deal with Laker fans with no knowledge, which is many people. I'm not going to discuss the Kobe situation since we don't have evidence at our fingers tips.

I agree, they came to LA, LA didn't go to them, but that's exactly my point. 2 future HOFers half-assed there way to the NBA Finals knowning well there great players, but I find it funny both players came to LA to team with 2 great players.

Wasn't Phil Jackson the coach of the team that eliminated the team Malone was playing for? I like how players give up there reputation for a ring that they don't deserve.

you wouldn't be saying that if malone and payton signed with your kings..malone's defensive capabilities= beyond Slava's and former laker power forwards (ex: samaki walker, madsen); and his passing game is amazing; you obviously miss all the little things he does for the Lakers by saying that he and payton doesn't deserve the rings.
payton- played in ever lakers game this season, provided vocal leadership and knowledge of the game (ex: set that last play for fisher in that pivotal game 5 against the Spurs)

You see, the Kings don't need a PG nor a backup PG, they don't need a PF nor a backup PF either. Malone only knows one defenseive play, and that's pulling the chair. Payton just talks trash. I wouldn't even think the Kings would sign them. We want to earn with our original 5, and if we were to gain someone, we would be willing to give an even trade, as we did for Brad Miller.

Just sounds like crap from sacramento fans who have thought it was their year the last four years and come up short.

Out of all those years, I think only 1 was won fair. Let's not forget that 4th quarter free throw marathon by the Lakers. Oh, and in the playoffs we've hadn't had all our guys health at any one point. Peja's ankle, Webber's injury last year, and Bobby Jackson this year. Lakers are as healthy as healthy can be.

[magilacudy]

HAHAHAHA! You try to have an intelligent conversation and everyone looks like jackasses!

p.s. go lakers

Yeah that's true. That's what you get for trying to talk intelligently with Lakers fans. zing

[Cracka]

MIZOTION PIZZASSEd FOO

i like the timberwolves, but i've like the lakers for a long time...

lol i wanted the timberwolves to beat the lakers... but since they didnt, i want the lakers to win.. BOOYA

[rjblazed]

LOL yes your completly right only the kings had injurys in the playoffs over the last four years. *sarcasim*

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

LOL yes your completly right only the kings had injurys in the playoffs over the last four years. *sarcasim*

I think we are the only teams that's suffered the greatest impact from the injuries. What Laker players have been injuried during the playoffs in the past 4 years?

[bignick]

Making up excuses why the kings suck. If they are injured, they suck. Just fucking deal with it.

[rjblazed]

You need some tougher players than the sissy european guys and chris webber then.

[bignick]

You need some tougher players than the sissy european guys and chris webber then.


ha ha ha ya.

[rjblazed]

Speaking of Webber shouldn't he be in jail, just got lucky the booster died before he could testify against him. So it looks like u have a criminal on your team while Kobe is just accused.

[rjblazed]

You should get Doug christy's wife she has a bigger set on her than any one else on that team does.

[anth0ny]

HAHAHA sounds like a sore loser sacramento queens fan.

Queens? How original. :roll:

Congrats to David Stern's favorite team!

Congrats to no skill Shaq and "I can't keep my dick in my pants" Byrant!

Congrats to Malone and Payton for joining a team that has 2 of the top 5 best players in the NBA and go to the NBA Finals to most likely win it!

Luck The Fakers

Sounds like someone is jealous. SUCK IT LAKER HATER. Your Kings suck more dick than that skank that is exploiting Kobe.

Suck what? Your dick? I know you'd like that, but I don't do that.

Calling "that girl" a skank when Kobe might of raped her is illogical. At least what I said is true.

Anyways, I won't get into an argument about this. It's Lakers moment and I won't ruin it even though I can. Good year, tough injuries, pulled through. Good luck in the Finals. Just remember, Lakers needed the help of 2 future HOFers to get to this point.
SUCK IT, KINGS SUCK. Who cares who they have on their team. They came to LA, LA didnt come to them. That girl is a skank. Having semen from several different guys in her panties!!! The whole kings team goes to San Francisco every night to get shaq-fued up the ass by more homos.

I don't need to deal with Laker fans with no knowledge, which is many people. I'm not going to discuss the Kobe situation since we don't have evidence at our fingers tips.

I agree, they came to LA, LA didn't go to them, but that's exactly my point. 2 future HOFers half-assed there way to the NBA Finals knowning well there great players, but I find it funny both players came to LA to team with 2 great players.

Wasn't Phil Jackson the coach of the team that eliminated the team Malone was playing for? I like how players give up there reputation for a ring that they don't deserve.

you wouldn't be saying that if malone and payton signed with your kings..malone's defensive capabilities= beyond Slava's and former laker power forwards (ex: samaki walker, madsen); and his passing game is amazing; you obviously miss all the little things he does for the Lakers by saying that he and payton doesn't deserve the rings.
payton- played in ever lakers game this season, provided vocal leadership and knowledge of the game (ex: set that last play for fisher in that pivotal game 5 against the Spurs)

You see, the Kings don't need a PG nor a backup PG, they don't need a PF nor a backup PF either. Malone only knows one defenseive play, and that's pulling the chair. Payton just talks trash. I wouldn't even think the Kings would sign them. We want to earn with our original 5, and if we were to gain someone, we would be willing to give an even trade, as we did for Brad Miller.

Just sounds like crap from sacramento fans who have thought it was their year the last four years and come up short.

Out of all those years, I think only 1 was won fair. Let's not forget that 4th quarter free throw marathon by the Lakers. Oh, and in the playoffs we've hadn't had all our guys health at any one point. Peja's ankle, Webber's injury last year, and Bobby Jackson this year. Lakers are as healthy as healthy can be.

injuries ay? is that your excuse now? injuries are f'ing part of the game; gotta learn to deal with it. Lakers are battling injuries this year too (kobe's shoulder is still not fully recovered, payton nursing a bad back, and lets not forget Jamal Sampson!). Malone also has good timing on when to knock the ball out of a defender's grasp. "Payton just talks trash"????!? He played in all 82 games with a bad back and are you forgetting what i mentioned before about his great leadership for the team?

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

Making up excuses why the kings suck. If they are injured, they suck. Just shaq-fuing deal with it.

You need some tougher players than the sissy european guys and chris webber then.

You both need to shut the fuck up. When'd you guys join the Laker bandwagon? Everyone know's Lakers win to bring in revenue. You, think think if Kingsmake it to the NBA Finals it'll draw in more rating than if the Lakers were to make it? That 4th quarter in 2002 said it all. The officials gave the Lakers the win. Oh, and I liked that 0.4 shot by Fisher when there is video evidence that it shouldn't of counted.

I was showing some respect until your bunch of sorry asses had to make me get into an arguement that no Laker fan listen to because there heads are so far up the Lakers asses they can taste David Sterns ass.

[magilacudy]

Eh, I have to disagree with you onewingedangel. There's no fair or unfair in any sports, you just have to accept it I guess. The only time I think Kings could've gone farther than they did was when Horry hit that game-winner in 2000 was it? That was just some bad luck. They weren't going anywhere this year or last just because of team chemistry and injuries.

As for Payton and Malone, they have their skills, and yes I wouldn't mind having them on Pistons, Kings, Heat, Nuggets, any other team that I like.

As for Payton/Malone, I know its professional basketball, but Payton had a verbal agreement with the owner of the Sonics and Sonics fans. He out and out lied about the contract extension, and just jumped ship at the end of the season - going to the playoffs with another team at the end of last year.

What about Malone? When the Jazz did that skit about Kobe, he defended his new teammate and was threatening some legal action? That just didn't sit with me.

Oh, and I guess if you thought my other posts were random and drawn out, then you haven't heard me talk about basketball.

EDIT: Payton leader of the Lakers? He was the one complaining the loudest when they lost the first 2 games to Spurs. He was complaining about HIS playing time, HIS shots, etc. He was never the leader, Kobe is and always will be unless he goes to Clips next season. Payton just can't accept that he's supposed to be a role player on the team, just as Cassell was on Wolves.

[zzl365]

There is no loyalty in basketball or any other pro sport. This is profrssional backetball. The goal isnt to have fun, it is to win. If I was Malone/Payton, i would have done the same thing...

If what you're saying is true, then the players goal should be to make money as they are doing this on a professional level. The goal of a player in a professional setting is to increase their value by winning. The goal of a team is to win to increase the # of tickets/merchandise sold.

While I really couldn't care which way this series went as the team I follow didn't even make the playoffs (the 76ers) I do feel that the current Lakers team is undermining the salary cap rule. The point of the salary cap is to enforce fair and balanced teams so one owner can't pay for all of the talent in the league because they have more money than another owner. While Payton and Malone took paycuts to play for the Lakers the point of the cap wasn't to prevent the spending of money, but rather to restrict the amount of top tier talent on a given team to give the league a sense of parity. I think that there may be a new "market value" rule (where players count in terms of market value against the cap when their contract is signed) being added to the salary cap rules in future years to prevent teams like the Lakers from stockpiling talent.

[rjblazed]

Making up excuses why the kings suck. If they are injured, they suck. Just shaq-fuing deal with it.

You need some tougher players than the sissy european guys and chris webber then.

You both need to shut the shaq-fu up. When'd you guys join the Laker bandwagon? Everyone know's Lakers win to bring in revenue. You, think think if Kingsmake it to the NBA Finals it'll draw in more rating than if the Lakers were to make it? That 4th in 2002 said it all. The officials gave the Lakers the win. Oh, and I liked that 0.4 shot by Fisher when there is video evidence that it shouldn't of counted.

I was showing some respect until your bunch of sorry asses had to make me get into an arguement that no Laker fan listen to because there heads are so far up the Lakers asses they can taste David Sterns ass.


Yummy taste like another fucking championship you crybaby.

[anth0ny]

where's the video evidence?! I'd like for you to prove it. There is also evidence that the clock should have stopped at .08; more than enough time for fisher to throw it up

[rjblazed]

There is no loyalty in basketball or any other pro sport. This is profrssional backetball. The goal isnt to have fun, it is to win. If I was Malone/Payton, i would have done the same thing...

If what you're saying is true, then the players goal should be to make money as they are doing this on a professional level. The goal of a player in a professional setting is to increase their value by winning. The goal of a team is to win to increase the # of tickets/merchandise sold.

While I really couldn't care which way this series went as the team I follow didn't even make the playoffs (the 76ers) I do feel that the current Lakers team is undermining the salary cap rule. The point of the salary cap is to enforce fair and balanced teams so one owner can't pay for all of the talent in the league because they have more money than another owner. While Payton and Malone took paycuts to play for the Lakers the point of the cap wasn't to prevent the spending of money, but rather to restrict the amount of top tier talent on a given team to give the league a sense of parity. I think that there may be a new "market value" rule (where players count in terms of market value against the cap when their contract is signed) being added to the salary cap rules in future years to prevent teams like the Lakers from stockpiling talent.

Yeah but those two aren't top teir any more everyone says that they are past their prime and useless. So i don't see why everyone is upset they came to LA if that is true, just two more useless players for LA.

[magilacudy]

Eh Payton was in the top 10 in assists last season and was averaging 20 ppg. Malone was at 20 and 8 boards. That's pretty close to top tier considering how old they are and the relative talent on their old teams.

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

where's the video evidence?! I'd like for you to prove it. There is also evidence that the clock should have stopped at .08; more than enough time for fisher to throw it up

http://brotha.elitepctech.com/GR/shot.mpeg

There should of been 0.8 seconds left, not 0.08, get your facts straight. Anyways, I would rather have Lakers take a fair shot at 0.8 seconds left then a shot that clearly shouldn't of counted at 0.4 seconds.



There is no loyalty in basketball or any other pro sport. This is profrssional backetball. The goal isnt to have fun, it is to win. If I was Malone/Payton, i would have done the same thing...

If what you're saying is true, then the players goal should be to make money as they are doing this on a professional level. The goal of a player in a professional setting is to increase their value by winning. The goal of a team is to win to increase the # of tickets/merchandise sold.

While I really couldn't care which way this series went as the team I follow didn't even make the playoffs (the 76ers) I do feel that the current Lakers team is undermining the salary cap rule. The point of the salary cap is to enforce fair and balanced teams so one owner can't pay for all of the talent in the league because they have more money than another owner. While Payton and Malone took paycuts to play for the Lakers the point of the cap wasn't to prevent the spending of money, but rather to restrict the amount of top tier talent on a given team to give the league a sense of parity. I think that there may be a new "market value" rule (where players count in terms of market value against the cap when their contract is signed) being added to the salary cap rules in future years to prevent teams like the Lakers from stockpiling talent.

Yeah but those two aren't top teir any more everyone says that they are past their prime and useless. So i don't see why everyone is upset they came to LA if that is true, just two more useless players for LA.

Excuse me, didn't I mention 4 future HOFers, 2 of them being Malone and Payton. So if there "useless," then who is useful? Luke Walton?

[rjblazed]

Eh Payton was in the top 10 in assists last season and was averaging 20 ppg. Malone was at 20 and 8 boards. That's pretty close to top tier considering how old they are and the relative talent on their old teams.

Yeah but Payton isn't the defender he was and malone only scored that much because there was no one else in Utah so he was taking 20 shots a game to score those 20 points.

[Lootr2Core]

Wow, I think there are about as many people discussing/arguing in this thread as there are people who are actually watching the NBA playoffs.

(From yesterdays USA today: The Stanley Cup Finals ratings are off 55% on ESPN and down 32% on ABC from last year. The NBA's shift to largely a cable deal with ESPN/ABC replacing NBC as TNT's partner has resulted in a one-third decline in viewership to 3.5 million fans a night for the playoffs compared with 5.2 million last year.

NHL--ouch, they are in freefall
NBA-not far behind with another year of smaller ratings.

[bignick]

You both need to shut the shaq-fu up. When'd you guys join the Laker bandwagon?

I have been a lakers fan since I wa a little kid. All of my family is from California. its all about the Lakers, A's and Raiders. Cry a little more, your tears tast so good you little cry baby biotch, and as I have said before, SUCK IT.

[rjblazed]

You both need to shut the shaq-fu up. When'd you guys join the Laker bandwagon?

I have been a lakers fan since I wa a little kid. All of my family is from California. its all about the Lakers, A's and Raiders. Cry a little more, your tears tast so good you little cry baby biotch, and as I have said before, SUCK IT.

You got two out of those 3 teams right Nick just switch the A's and Dodgers.

[nam1031]

You both need to shut the shaq-fu up. When'd you guys join the Laker bandwagon? Everyone know's Lakers win to bring in revenue. You, think think if Kingsmake it to the NBA Finals it'll draw in more rating than if the Lakers were to make it? That 4th quarter in 2002 said it all. The officials gave the Lakers the win. Oh, and I liked that 0.4 shot by Fisher when there is video evidence that it shouldn't of counted.

If the offcials wanted to give lakers the win, why don't they just call a foul and let kobe shot it form the freethrow line? how would the officals know that fisher will make the shot for sure?? do they have some special power?

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

Eh Payton was in the top 10 in assists last season and was averaging 20 ppg. Malone was at 20 and 8 boards. That's pretty close to top tier considering how old they are and the relative talent on their old teams.

Yeah but Payton isn't the defender he was and malone only scored that much because there was no one else in Utah so he was taking 20 shots a game to score those 20 points.

Gary Payton
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
02-03 -- 80 80 40.1 .454 .297 .710 1.00 3.20 4.20 8.3 1.66 .25 2.34 2.30 20.4

Note: These stats are from both the Sonics and Bucks he played for last year combined.

Karl Malone
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
02-03 UTA 81 81 36.2 .462 .214 .763 1.40 6.40 7.80 4.7 1.68 .38 2.59 2.50 20.6

I'd say both these players were still playing top-notch basketball last year.

[bignick]

You both need to shut the shaq-fu up. When'd you guys join the Laker bandwagon?

I have been a lakers fan since I wa a little kid. All of my family is from California. its all about the Lakers, A's and Raiders. Cry a little more, your tears tast so good you little cry baby biotch, and as I have said before, SUCK IT.

You got two out of those 3 teams right Nick just switch the A's and Dodgers.

No way, man I wish the bash brothers were still together. McGuire and Canseco!

[bignick]

Eh Payton was in the top 10 in assists last season and was averaging 20 ppg. Malone was at 20 and 8 boards. That's pretty close to top tier considering how old they are and the relative talent on their old teams.

Yeah but Payton isn't the defender he was and malone only scored that much because there was no one else in Utah so he was taking 20 shots a game to score those 20 points.

Gary Payton
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
02-03 -- 80 80 40.1 .454 .297 .710 1.00 3.20 4.20 8.3 1.66 .25 2.34 2.30 20.4

Note: These stats are from both the Sonics and Bucks he played for last year combined.

Karl Malone
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
02-03 UTA 81 81 36.2 .462 .214 .763 1.40 6.40 7.80 4.7 1.68 .38 2.59 2.50 20.6

I'd say both these players were still playing top-notch basketball last year.

You dont now when to give up do you?

[rjblazed]

You both need to shut the shaq-fu up. When'd you guys join the Laker bandwagon?

I have been a lakers fan since I wa a little kid. All of my family is from California. its all about the Lakers, A's and Raiders. Cry a little more, your tears tast so good you little cry baby biotch, and as I have said before, SUCK IT.

You got two out of those 3 teams right Nick just switch the A's and Dodgers.

No way, man I wish the bash brothers were still together. McGuire and Canseco!

LMAO maybe on the all roid's team one day.

[anth0ny]

How is that video supposed to prove that the shot should have not counted? No possible way to start the clock any quicker than that...

[magilacudy]

Yeah but Payton isn't the defender he was and malone only scored that much because there was no one else in Utah so he was taking 20 shots a game to score those 20 points.

Yes, but it still took them playing to score, steal, rebound, etc. The fact that they are still able to put up numbers determines their value - and the fact they are playoff veterans.

Oh yeah, if Malone put up 20 shots a game to get 20 points that would mean he missed all of them and hit 20 fts. He's a career 51% shooter, which in itself is a valuable commodity for a big man. I told my friend this, but Lakers got a cheapass deal picking those two up.

[rjblazed]

How is that video supposed to prove that the shot should have not counted? No possible way to start the clock any quicker than that...

Exactly i stopped the video with .01 and he had the ball just out of the palm of his hand before it went to all 0's.

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

You both need to shut the shaq-fu up. When'd you guys join the Laker bandwagon? Everyone know's Lakers win to bring in revenue. You, think think if Kingsmake it to the NBA Finals it'll draw in more rating than if the Lakers were to make it? That 4th quarter in 2002 said it all. The officials gave the Lakers the win. Oh, and I liked that 0.4 shot by Fisher when there is video evidence that it shouldn't of counted.

If the offcials wanted to give lakers the win, why don't they just call a foul and let kobe shot it form the freethrow line? how would the officals know that fisher will make the shot for sure?? do they have some special power?

Call a foul on what play? What are you saying? The officials should realize that it's not possible to get a shot off in 0.4. On to of that, the Spurs filed a protest, and then they could not counted the shot, but as you can see, they didn't, and I wasn't surprised. There would be riots all over LA and then the Lakers would most likley lose the series and the NBA ratins would drop, like they did last year.

[Mustang O-Line 75]

LOL yes your completly right only the kings had injurys in the playoffs over the last four years. *sarcasim*

I think we are the only teams that's suffered the greatest impact from the injuries. What Laker players have been injuried during the playoffs in the past 4 years?

Wait wait wait, you mean like now, when Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Slava Medvedenko, Derek Fisher, Kobe Bryant, and Shaquille O'Neal are injured? But wait, they play through the pain. And I bet the kings were injured because they hurt themselves while flooping all over the place trying to get fouls called. Ooooh ooh wait, I know how thye got injured! somebody threw a cowbell at them and they flopped and the referee called it!
Hidden Text is so much fun. My favorite part of the game tonigh was when Kareem hit the last three-pointer. And, I am a lot happier that we played the T-wolves. At least they put up a fight...
Boo hoo.
I liked the Lakers back when they sucked, which I am almost sure you can't say about the Kings, because no one like the kings until the galoof brothers actually did something up there.

And yes, I misspelt maloof on purpose you jackasses

[bignick]

You both need to shut the shaq-fu up. When'd you guys join the Laker bandwagon?

I have been a lakers fan since I wa a little kid. All of my family is from California. its all about the Lakers, A's and Raiders. Cry a little more, your tears tast so good you little cry baby biotch, and as I have said before, SUCK IT.

You got two out of those 3 teams right Nick just switch the A's and Dodgers.

No way, man I wish the bash brothers were still together. McGuire and Canseco!

LMAO maybe on the all roid's team one day.
yeah, but it would still be nice though. Canseco was awesome, the first 40/40 man in MLB history! He could have been great. He never should ahve pitched though, that was an embarresment.

[Mustang O-Line 75]

Call a foul on what play? What are you saying? The officials should realize that it's not possible to get a shot off in 0.4. On to of that, the Spurs filed a protest, and then they could not counted the shot, but as you can see, they didn't, and I wasn't surprised. There would be riots all over LA and then the Lakers would most likley lose the series and the NBA ratins would drop, like they did last year.

Except the rulebook states that .3 is enough to get a shot off. THE NBA RULEBOOK

[anth0ny]

You both need to shut the shaq-fu up. When'd you guys join the Laker bandwagon? Everyone know's Lakers win to bring in revenue. You, think think if Kingsmake it to the NBA Finals it'll draw in more rating than if the Lakers were to make it? That 4th quarter in 2002 said it all. The officials gave the Lakers the win. Oh, and I liked that 0.4 shot by Fisher when there is video evidence that it shouldn't of counted.

If the offcials wanted to give lakers the win, why don't they just call a foul and let kobe shot it form the freethrow line? how would the officals know that fisher will make the shot for sure?? do they have some special power?

Call a foul on what play? What are you saying? The officials should realize that it's not possible to get a shot off in 0.4. On to of that, the Spurs filed a protest, and then they could not counted the shot, but as you can see, they didn't, and I wasn't surprised. There would be riots all over LA and then the Lakers would most likley lose the series and the NBA ratins would drop, like they did last year.

So you're saying the NBA favors the Lakers? They are already speculating to widen the lane so they can stop shaq from dominating and shaq would be on the foul line every time the Lakers have the ball due to the fact that he always gets slapped and held every single f'in time.

[rjblazed]

Yeah good thing him playing outfield and letting the ball bounce off his head wasn't an embarassment. Although that was in texas not oakland.

[bignick]

You both need to shut the shaq-fu up. When'd you guys join the Laker bandwagon? Everyone know's Lakers win to bring in revenue. You, think think if Kingsmake it to the NBA Finals it'll draw in more rating than if the Lakers were to make it? That 4th quarter in 2002 said it all. The officials gave the Lakers the win. Oh, and I liked that 0.4 shot by Fisher when there is video evidence that it shouldn't of counted.

If the offcials wanted to give lakers the win, why don't they just call a foul and let kobe shot it form the freethrow line? how would the officals know that fisher will make the shot for sure?? do they have some special power?

Call a foul on what play? What are you saying? The officials should realize that it's not possible to get a shot off in 0.4. On to of that, the Spurs filed a protest, and then they could not counted the shot, but as you can see, they didn't, and I wasn't surprised. There would be riots all over LA and then the Lakers would most likley lose the series and the NBA ratins would drop, like they did last year.

Are you ever going ot realize the kings suck?

[magilacudy]

Funny you say that Mustang but I liked the Kings as far as I can remember, from back in the Mitch Richmond days, through the J-Will craziness and up to the current era.

I like that cowbell part though, that was funny. hehe

[bignick]

Yeah good thing him playing outfield and letting the ball bounce off his head wasn't an embarassment. Although that was in texas not oakland.

Exactly, so i dont count that. Didnt he do a little jail time a few years ago? I know he was into coke and all.

[rjblazed]

Yeah good thing him playing outfield and letting the ball bounce off his head wasn't an embarassment. Although that was in texas not oakland.

Exactly, so i dont count that. Didnt he do a little jail time a few years ago? I know he was into coke and all.

I think he got arrested in florida for probation violation because he tested positive for steroids not sure what caused his probation in the first place.

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

How is that video supposed to prove that the shot should have not counted? No possible way to start the clock any quicker than that...

If you can see, then you can clearly view that the ball is in his hands and he even manages to plant and his feet and the clock has yet to start.

LOL yes your completly right only the kings had injurys in the playoffs over the last four years. *sarcasim*

I think we are the only teams that's suffered the greatest impact from the injuries. What Laker players have been injuried during the playoffs in the past 4 years?

Wait wait wait, you mean like now, when Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Slava Medvedenko, Derek Fisher, Kobe Bryant, and Shaquille O'Neal are injured? But wait, they play through the pain. And I bet the kings were injured because they hurt themselves while flooping all over the place trying to get fouls called. Ooooh ooh wait, I know how thye got injured! somebody threw a cowbell at them and they flopped and the referee called it!
Hidden Text is so much fun. My favorite part of the game tonigh was when Kareem hit the last three-pointer. And, I am a lot happier that we played the T-wolves. At least they put up a fight...
Boo hoo.
I liked the Lakers back when they sucked, which I am almost sure you can't say about the Kings, because no one like the kings until the galoof brothers actually did something up there.

And yes, I misspelt maloof on purpose you jackasses

Played through what pain? What injuries have these guys suffered that can even compare what Webber has gone through? Malone missed a lot of games. Payton's mouth hurts form talking too much trash. Slava was injuried this year? Fisher was injuried this year? Branyt played through pain, I give him his dues. Oh, and Shaq was a toe injury? Excuse me, Christie's played almost 48 minutes with a foot problem way severe than Shaq's injury. Dind't Bibby play with his back problems? Wasn't Brad Miller's arm hurting him as he played?

[magilacudy]

So you're saying the NBA favors the Lakers? They are already speculating to widen the lane so they can stop shaq from dominating and shaq would be on the foul line every time the Lakers have the ball due to the fact that he always gets slapped and held every single f'in time.

Where did you hear this? I don't think they're making any changes if any. The only change I hear that the NBA is reviewing is making the court itself like 2 feet wider to open up the offense on the wings and to prevent turnovers from taller perimeter shooters stepping out of bounds.

[anth0ny]

How is that video supposed to prove that the shot should have not counted? No possible way to start the clock any quicker than that...

If you can see, then you can clearly view that the ball is in his hands and he even manages to plant and his feet and the clock has yet to start.

LOL yes your completly right only the kings had injurys in the playoffs over the last four years. *sarcasim*

I think we are the only teams that's suffered the greatest impact from the injuries. What Laker players have been injuried during the playoffs in the past 4 years?

Wait wait wait, you mean like now, when Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Slava Medvedenko, Derek Fisher, Kobe Bryant, and Shaquille O'Neal are injured? But wait, they play through the pain. And I bet the kings were injured because they hurt themselves while flooping all over the place trying to get fouls called. Ooooh ooh wait, I know how thye got injured! somebody threw a cowbell at them and they flopped and the referee called it!
Hidden Text is so much fun. My favorite part of the game tonigh was when Kareem hit the last three-pointer. And, I am a lot happier that we played the T-wolves. At least they put up a fight...
Boo hoo.
I liked the Lakers back when they sucked, which I am almost sure you can't say about the Kings, because no one like the kings until the galoof brothers actually did something up there.

And yes, I misspelt maloof on purpose you jackasses

Played through what pain? What injuries have these guys suffered that can even compare what Webber has gone through? Malone missed a lot of games. Payton's mouth hurts form talking too much trash. Slava was injuried this year? Fisher was injuried this year? Branyt played through pain, I give him his dues. Oh, and Shaq was a toe injury? Excuse me, Christie's played almost 48 minutes with a foot problem way severe than Shaq's injury. Dind't Bibby play with his back problems? Wasn't Brad Miller's arm hurting him as he played?

like i mentioned before: payton has back problems and the clock could not have started any quicker than that; a quick catch and shoot shot.

[rjblazed]

I thought they were going to widen the lane to the same width as international ball or atleast look into the possibility of that.

[BULL_Ship]

So you're saying the NBA favors the Lakers? They are already speculating to widen the lane so they can stop shaq from dominating and shaq would be on the foul line every time the Lakers have the ball due to the fact that he always gets slapped and held every single f'in time.

Where did you hear this? I don't think they're making any changes if any. The only change I hear that the NBA is reviewing is making the court itself like 2 feet wider to open up the offense on the wings and to prevent turnovers from taller perimeter shooters stepping out of bounds.

The year after they do that the 3 point line will be moved to half court and 6 inches from the left and right.

[Mustang O-Line 75]

Funny you say that Mustang but I liked the Kings as far as I can remember, from back in the Mitch Richmond days, through the J-Will craziness and up to the current era.

I like that cowbell part though, that was funny. hehe

You know what, I can't hate on Mitch Richmond. That guy was awesome. Even before he became a Laker.

[bignick]

So you're saying the NBA favors the Lakers? They are already speculating to widen the lane so they can stop shaq from dominating and shaq would be on the foul line every time the Lakers have the ball due to the fact that he always gets slapped and held every single f'in time.

Where did you hear this? I don't think they're making any changes if any. The only change I hear that the NBA is reviewing is making the court itself like 2 feet wider to open up the offense on the wings and to prevent turnovers from taller perimeter shooters stepping out of bounds.

I always wondered that, I mean doesnt shaq have like a size 22 foot, so could he even be behind the 3 point line in the corner without being out of bounds?

[anth0ny]

So you're saying the NBA favors the Lakers? They are already speculating to widen the lane so they can stop shaq from dominating and shaq would be on the foul line every time the Lakers have the ball due to the fact that he always gets slapped and held every single f'in time.

Where did you hear this? I don't think they're making any changes if any. The only change I hear that the NBA is reviewing is making the court itself like 2 feet wider to open up the offense on the wings and to prevent turnovers from taller perimeter shooters stepping out of bounds.

it was in the headlines on the official NBA page a couple of days ago

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

So you're saying the NBA favors the Lakers?

That must be the shock of the century! I can't believe someone said that! It's impossible. I don't believe it and won't. Whoever said it must burn in hell!

[anth0ny]

So you're saying the NBA favors the Lakers?

That must be the shock of the century! I can't believe someone said that! It's impossible. I don't believe it and won't. Whoever said it must burn in hell!

that is nice to hear

[Mustang O-Line 75]

Played through what pain? What injuries have these guys suffered that can even compare what Webber has gone through? Malone missed a lot of games. Payton's mouth hurts form talking too much trash. Slava was injuried this year? Fisher was injuried this year? Branyt played through pain, I give him his dues. Oh, and Shaq was a toe injury? Excuse me, Christie's played almost 48 minutes with a foot problem way severe than Shaq's injury. Dind't Bibby play with his back problems? Wasn't Brad Miller's arm hurting him as he played?

Karl Malone was out for as long as webber as you stated.
Yes, Slava has had back problems
Someone must have not watched the games because if you did, you would have known that Fisher was a gametime decision.
My guess is that the toe injury is a lot more painful than you think. Ever try walking with a broken toe? Much less playing basketball? While getting the crap beaten out of you?
(Ok he dishes it out too)
so yay! we have compared!

DOLT

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

So you're saying the NBA favors the Lakers?

That must be the shock of the century! I can't believe someone said that! It's impossible. I don't believe it and won't. Whoever said it must burn in hell!

that is nice to hear

If you didn't note the sarcasum, I pity you.

[Cracka]

anth0ny wrote:
So you're saying the NBA favors the Lakers?


That must be the shock of the century! I can't believe someone said that! It's impossible. I don't believe it and won't. Whoever said it must burn in hell!


you're getting pretty damn annoying.

[anth0ny]

So you're saying the NBA favors the Lakers?

That must be the shock of the century! I can't believe someone said that! It's impossible. I don't believe it and won't. Whoever said it must burn in hell!

that is nice to hear

If you didn't note the sarcasum, I pity you.

:roll: you must not watch a lot of basketball; how does the NBA favor the Lakers? That is what i ask you.

[rjblazed]

Yeah injuries and nba conspiracies to help the Lakers are his reasons the Lakers have 3 titles and the kings have well absolutly nuthin.

[Cracka]

AAH anthony your pics laggin me.

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

Played through what pain? What injuries have these guys suffered that can even compare what Webber has gone through? Malone missed a lot of games. Payton's mouth hurts form talking too much trash. Slava was injuried this year? Fisher was injuried this year? Branyt played through pain, I give him his dues. Oh, and Shaq was a toe injury? Excuse me, Christie's played almost 48 minutes with a foot problem way severe than Shaq's injury. Dind't Bibby play with his back problems? Wasn't Brad Miller's arm hurting him as he played?

Karl Malone was out for as long as webber as you stated.
Yes, Slava has had back problems
Someone must have not watched the games because if you did, you would have known that Fisher was a gametime decision.
My guess is that the toe injury is a lot more painful than you think. Ever try walking with a broken toe? Much less playing basketball? While getting the crap beaten out of you?
(Ok he dishes it out too)
so yay! we have compared!

DOLT

Karl Malone wasn't out as long as Webber. I never said he was. Webber has out for almost a year, whereas Malone played in the start of this season and towards the end.

If your talking about Fisher's gametime decision today, big deal. No Fisher. A big deal would be no Cassell.

Shaq gets the crap beaten out of him? Yeah, he throws his large ass into the lane and dunks on people knowing them down sure does beat him up a lot. Shaq has no skill, no brains, and says the lamest lines I've ever heard.

[Mustang O-Line 75]

someone doesnt highlight hidden text...

[anth0ny]

shaq gets grabbed and held on every time he goes in the f'ing lane to post up you ignorant mofo; i'm off to sleep, enough of this

[magilacudy]

shaq gets grabbed and held on every time he goes in the f'ing lane to post up you ignorant mofo; i'm off to sleep, enough of this

The league has to have some stance on how to call Shaq fouls, because some range from just anticipatory to waiting for him to get grabbed. If there's one call I didn't agree with was one non-call when Shaq was boxing out Madsen's face that would've been his 6th.

As for Shaq being grabbed and held onto, that's nothing compared to the NBA in Wilt's day. Chamberlain was practically tackled and knocked over and nothing was called. I wouldn't mind seeing a return to more physical play because the refs are deciding more and more of the games than they should.

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

shaq gets grabbed and held on every time he goes in the f'ing lane to post up you ignorant mofo; i'm off to sleep, enough of this

He gets held? Well duh. How else are you suppose to stop 300+ pounds coming at you.

There is no way I'm going into deatil how the Lakers are favored to win. This is the most obvious reason: Money. When the Spurs and Knicks played in the finals, the NBA ratings were at it's lowest. When Lakers are in it, there high as ever. Lakers are more popular around America. They sell more items, such as jersey. The population in LA is a lot compared to a small town such as Sacramento.

I've been to a Sacramento home game. It was a great experience. People are nice, they sit politely and clap at the appropriate times. If they lose, it's no big deal. Here, in LA, when you lose, it's like end up the world. Even when Lakers win, riots everywhere. Lakers are the Eagles of the NFL; they'll eat you alive.

This is just a part of way Lakers are favored to win. I'm sick of dicussing this, and I won't post in this topic until tomorrow. Laker fans have egos, and it's all win for them, whether it's fair or not.

[rjblazed]

Yes we're all win guess sacramento fans are all cry.

[rjblazed]

shaq gets grabbed and held on every time he goes in the f'ing lane to post up you ignorant mofo; i'm off to sleep, enough of this

He gets held? Well duh. How else are you suppose to stop 300+ pounds coming at you.

There is no way I'm going into deatil how the Lakers are favored to win. This is the most obvious reason: Money. When the Spurs and Knicks played in the finals, the NBA ratings were at it's lowest. When Lakers are in it, there high as ever. Lakers are more popular around America. They sell more items, such as jersey. The population in LA is a lot compared to a small town such as Sacramento.

I've been to a Sacramento home game. It was a great experience. People are nice, they sit politely and clap at the appropriate times. If they lose, it's no big deal. Here, in LA, when you lose, it's like end up the world. Even when Lakers win, riots everywhere. Lakers are the Eagles of the NFL; they'll eat you alive.

This is just a part of way Lakers are favored to win. I'm sick of dicussing this, and I won't post in this topic until tomorrow. Laker fans have egos, and it's all win for them, whether it's fair or not.

So according to you because Shaq is bigger than everyone else he should be put at a disadvantage. He was born a big guy he can't help it and you can't have a set of rules for him and then another set for the rest of the league.

[Lootr2Core]

[quote=anth0ny]



I've been to a Sacramento home game. It was a great experience. People are nice, they sit politely and clap at the appropriate times. If they lose, it's no big deal. Here, in LA, when you lose, it's like end up the world. Even when Lakers win, riots everywhere. Lakers are the Eagles of the NFL; they'll eat you alive.



This wasn't that last home game against Minnesota was it? When these polite fans were launch garbage onto the court?

[rjblazed]

In case you can't tell sports is probably my biggest passion with cheap games coming in second.

[Mustang O-Line 75]

He gets held? Well duh. How else are you suppose to stop 300+ pounds coming at you.

There is no way I'm going into deatil how the Lakers are favored to win. This is the most obvious reason: Money. When the Spurs and Knicks played in the finals, the NBA ratings were at it's lowest. When Lakers are in it, there high as ever. Lakers are more popular around America. They sell more items, such as jersey. The population in LA is a lot compared to a small town such as Sacramento.


So what are you trying to say? That because the Lakers have a lot of money, they are evil? Because they have a very big fanbase, they ar e favored to win the series? With the way the refereeing was tonight, there is no way you can say that the Lakers are favored to win it all. (you are implying favored by the league, right? If not, disregard that.)

And sacramento doesnt cheer at the right time. Nobody fucking cheers at the right time. Thats what HOME COURT advantage is

[eatntae]

shaq gets grabbed and held on every time he goes in the f'ing lane to post up you ignorant mofo; i'm off to sleep, enough of this

He gets held? Well duh. How else are you suppose to stop 300+ pounds coming at you.

There is no way I'm going into deatil how the Lakers are favored to win. This is the most obvious reason: Money. When the Spurs and Knicks played in the finals, the NBA ratings were at it's lowest. When Lakers are in it, there high as ever. Lakers are more popular around America. They sell more items, such as jersey. The population in LA is a lot compared to a small town such as Sacramento.

I've been to a Sacramento home game. It was a great experience. People are nice, they sit politely and clap at the appropriate times. If they lose, it's no big deal. Here, in LA, when you lose, it's like end up the world. Even when Lakers win, riots everywhere. Lakers are the Eagles of the NFL; they'll eat you alive.

This is just a part of way Lakers are favored to win. I'm sick of dicussing this, and I won't post in this topic until tomorrow. Laker fans have egos, and it's all win for them, whether it's fair or not.
Perhaps you won't go into detail about how the Lakers are favored to win because you are wrong. You say money is the most obvious reason that the Lakers are favored to win, and back that up with ratings. If that's the case, then you believe there is a conspiracy to make the Lakers go to the finals and win in order to generate more money for the NBA. While the Lakers will draw the higher ratings and more money, that is not why they are favored. The reason is very simple. They have the best players. Kobe and Shaq alone give the Lakers a great chance to win it every year, but the addition of Malone has really helped them out.

Sacramento and their great fans, huh? :roll: They clap at the right times? I guess that also means they boo at the right times too, right? Like when Webber was coming back from injury and trying to work his way back into the team, and the fans booed him? It's no big deal for them when they lose because they're used to it. When your team is used to winning, of course its harder on the fans when they lose. I love it when the Lakers win, but don't make idiotic statements like saying the fans want to win, fair or not. I don't think anybody would appreciate winning by cheating, even the Lakers themselves.

[Eclipse]

'learn your lines young man.'


Shaq-fu it.

[bignick]

ha ha ha this thread got great after I went to bed. Kings still suck!

[starman9000]

This thread is great

ONewingedangel:
Sacremento fans suck. Probably the worst in the league (well Lakers fans are lame, but in their own special way) Twice during the Wolves series they threw crap on the court and at players. And those cowbells behind the bench? Just shows that you have no faith in your team so you have to resort to unscrupulous methods to try to win.


Mustang-0-line:
"I liked the Lakers back when they sucked, which I am almost sure you can't say about the Kings, because no one like the kings until the galoof brothers actually did something up there."

Yeah, you are a great fan for liking the lakers through a couple of "bad" seasons, unless by suck you mean no titles. If you were a Clippers fan for life, and they finally one, well then youd have something to say.

anth0ny:
"shaq gets grabbed and held on every time he goes in the f'ing lane to post up you ignorant mofo; i'm off to sleep, enough of this"

Yes and he gets the calls almost all of the time. Shaq should foul out almost every game (except for the ones when he doesnt try). He would still dominate the game, even for the short time he is in, but he does foul a lot without getting called.

And its not just Shaq thats the problem. All of the announcers seem very happy with the fact that Stars get calls, and thats just the way it is. Why does no one seem to have a problem with that. Travelling should be travelling, a foul is a foul, a flop is a flop, just makes it really hard for someone to take the NBA seriously when the refs obviously base calls on star power.

[JSweeney]

Come on Pistons!

I'm actually worried about how they'll do because Rasid and Ben are probably the biggest stars (and not many people can doubt the lack of calls against star players and the high number of calls in favor of them), and after watching the Pacers games, you know some of the Lakers are going to be gunning for Rip right off the bat.

[greendj27]

This thread is great

Mustang-0-line:
"I liked the Lakers back when they sucked, which I am almost sure you can't say about the Kings, because no one like the kings until the galoof brothers actually did something up there."


Umm...the Lakers really never sucked. They might have had an off year or two, but they have won championships since the early 80's.

[Snowcone]

And its not just Shaq thats the problem. All of the announcers seem very happy with the fact that Stars get calls, and thats just the way it is. Why does no one seem to have a problem with that. Travelling should be travelling, a foul is a foul, a flop is a flop, just makes it really hard for someone to take the NBA seriously when the refs obviously base calls on star power.

Exactly. Is a Superstar really a superstar due to their talent or is it the fact that they get away with travelling, fouling, etc where "non superstar" players get called for those things. Is it fair that they get an added advantage over everyone else?

[magilacudy]

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/0602p2main0602.html

Interesting.

[magilacudy]

Come on Pistons!

I'm actually worried about how they'll do because Rasid and Ben are probably the biggest stars (and not many people can doubt the lack of calls against star players and the high number of calls in favor of them), and after watching the Pacers games, you know some of the Lakers are going to be gunning for Rip right off the bat.

Rasheed's been quiet the past few games, but he's made some big shots. If the Pistons are going to win at all, it's going to come down to him, Ben Wallace, and Tayshaun as well as the bench contributing.

The Lakers are going to clamp down on Rip like they did on Parker during the Spurs series, so the others have to step up. They haven't really in the other series, so I'm really anxious to see what's going to happen. Regardless I'm rooting for Pistons too.

[Snowcone]

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/0602p2main0602.html

Interesting.

It's true. Superstars get calls, or get protected from them rather. Kobe can get hit with a T for mouthing off, but it would take a full on punch for him to get a 2nd T in a game. No ref wants to be the guy who ejected the superstar so they let them "get away with murder".

[Grave_Addiction]

The Mavs will be in the Finals next year!

Well, maybe not, but they were a pretty good team. Ostertag wants to come to Dallas, so I think that would be a pretty good addition. I know he's far from an All-Star center at this point in his career, but he is definitely better than all of our current centers.

Also, there was an article today on dallasnews.com about the Mavs either putting Walker deep on the bench or hoping he opts out of his contract. Antoine Walker is the most overpaid chump in the NBA.

I hope we resign Steve Nash and Marquis Daniels. Daniels and Josh Howard were some of the best rookies in the NBA last year. And Danies went undrafted from Auburn!!!

It would also be nice if Van Exel opts out of his Golden State contract and signs with us again. Hopefully, he'll be rested and ready to go.

A Dallas team with Steve Nash, Michael Finley, Dirk Nowitski, Greg Ostertag, Nick Van Exel, Antwan Jamison, Marquis Daniels, Josh Howard, Eddy Najera and Tony Delk would be very competitive.

We don't need Ostertag to score at all, he even said as much. We just need him to rebound, defend and stay outta foul trouble.

Our rookies can defend well, as can Najera. We just need the Big Three to step up defensively. And they don't even have to play great defense, just semi-good defense to win. They've proven teams can't stop them when they are shooting well.

I think Dallas will rebound next year with a great, great postseason. At least to the Conference Finals!

[Snowcone]

The Lakers are going to clamp down on Rip like they did on Parker during the Spurs series, so the others have to step up. They haven't really in the other series, so I'm really anxious to see what's going to happen. Regardless I'm rooting for Pistons too.

Tony Parker is young and got used to the penetration in the lane. Once they took that away and double teamed Duncan, the Spurs shooters needed to step up and cause some damage from the arc, but they didn't. Turk and Bowen were too busy building houses. If they would have given the Laker defense a reason to come out and guard them Parker and Duncan would have been able to do damage inside, but it didn't happen that way.

Hamilton can shoot from anywhere and he can turn a pick like lightning and he creates shots for himself. The Lakers can try to clamp down on him all they want but it will result in an open Prince, Billups, or a pair of Wallaces and that is not a good thing for the Lakers. All 5 of those guys are deadly from different ranges and it will take a very strong Laker defense to stop them all at 1 time and I don't think they can do it.

The Lakers are also going to struggle on offense since the Piston defense is rock solid right now.

[magilacudy]

It's true. Superstars get calls, or get protected from them rather. Kobe can get hit with a T for mouthing off, but it would take a full on punch for him to get a 2nd T in a game. No ref wants to be the guy who ejected the superstar so they let them "get away with murder".

Yeah, but a side effect of this particular incident cost the Wolves the game.

Funny that you mention Kobe and full on punching someone to get a T. Watching the Spike TV 52 Moments in NBA history show brought back memories of him knocking the crap out of Bibby's face and giving him a bloody nose - with no call - when the Kings played Lakers at the Western Conference finals a few years back.

I'm sure onewingedangel would remember that too.

EDIT: The Mavs will be in the Finals next year!


I don't know about that... but they are and will be a dangerous team. I don't know if Ostertag will make much difference. I don't think he was even starting in Utah, and was complaining about playing time. The Mavs had a bunch of 7 footers who Nellie rarely played. It comes down to Don Nelson's coaching.
I think it would be better for the Mavs if he isn't brought back next year. Cuban should hire Mike Fratello (!) because of his defensive philosophy. The Mavs need to learn to play some D first, either way their scorers are going to score. It's same with the Kings; I think if they brought in a new coach they might be able to change things for the better.

[Snowcone]

The Mavs will be in the Finals next year!

Well, maybe not, but they were a pretty good team. Ostertag wants to come to Dallas, so I think that would be a pretty good addition. I know he's far from an All-Star center at this point in his career, but he is definitely better than all of our current centers.

Also, there was an article today on dallasnews.com about the Mavs either putting Walker deep on the bench or hoping he opts out of his contract. Antoine Walker is the most overpaid chump in the NBA.

I hope we resign Steve Nash and Marquis Daniels. Daniels and Josh Howard were some of the best rookies in the NBA last year. And Danies went undrafted from Auburn!!!

It would also be nice if Van Exel opts out of his Golden State contract and signs with us again. Hopefully, he'll be rested and ready to go.

A Dallas team with Steve Nash, Michael Finley, Dirk Nowitski, Greg Ostertag, Nick Van Exel, Antwan Jamison, Marquis Daniels, Josh Howard, Eddy Najera and Tony Delk would be very competitive.

We don't need Ostertag to score at all, he even said as much. We just need him to rebound, defend and stay outta foul trouble.

Our rookies can defend well, as can Najera. We just need the Big Three to step up defensively. And they don't even have to play great defense, just semi-good defense to win. They've proven teams can't stop them when they are shooting well.

I think Dallas will rebound next year with a great, great postseason. At least to the Conference Finals!

They will have to get by the Spurs first. I think the Spurs learned a lot this year about the fact that they need to adapt their game to different styles of defense. I also think Rasho needs to get more aggressive or we need a bigman like Ben Wallace to come in and get crazy on the posts since Duncan seems very reserved as of late.

[Snowcone]

It's true. Superstars get calls, or get protected from them rather. Kobe can get hit with a T for mouthing off, but it would take a full on punch for him to get a 2nd T in a game. No ref wants to be the guy who ejected the superstar so they let them "get away with murder".

Yeah, but a side effect of this particular incident cost the Wolves the game.

Funny that you mention Kobe and full on punching someone to get a T. Watching the Spike TV 52 Moments in NBA history show brought back memories of him knocking the crap out of Bibby's face and giving him a bloody nose - with no call - when the Kings played Lakers at the Western Conference finals a few years back.

I'm sure onewingedangel would remember that too.

I don't think I caught that game. Kobe is a little more mature and I doubt he would do something like that now. I loathe Kobe and most of the Lakers if that isn't obvious yet. It frustrates me to no end that they get away with so much because they are a big market team that brings money into the NBA.

[Grave_Addiction]

The Mavs will be in the Finals next year!

Well, maybe not, but they were a pretty good team. Ostertag wants to come to Dallas, so I think that would be a pretty good addition. I know he's far from an All-Star center at this point in his career, but he is definitely better than all of our current centers.

Also, there was an article today on dallasnews.com about the Mavs either putting Walker deep on the bench or hoping he opts out of his contract. Antoine Walker is the most overpaid chump in the NBA.

I hope we resign Steve Nash and Marquis Daniels. Daniels and Josh Howard were some of the best rookies in the NBA last year. And Danies went undrafted from Auburn!!!

It would also be nice if Van Exel opts out of his Golden State contract and signs with us again. Hopefully, he'll be rested and ready to go.

A Dallas team with Steve Nash, Michael Finley, Dirk Nowitski, Greg Ostertag, Nick Van Exel, Antwan Jamison, Marquis Daniels, Josh Howard, Eddy Najera and Tony Delk would be very competitive.

We don't need Ostertag to score at all, he even said as much. We just need him to rebound, defend and stay outta foul trouble.

Our rookies can defend well, as can Najera. We just need the Big Three to step up defensively. And they don't even have to play great defense, just semi-good defense to win. They've proven teams can't stop them when they are shooting well.

I think Dallas will rebound next year with a great, great postseason. At least to the Conference Finals!

They will have to get by the Spurs first. I think the Spurs learned a lot this year about the fact that they need to adapt their game to different styles of defense. I also think Rasho needs to get more aggressive or we need a bigman like Ben Wallace to come in and get crazy on the posts since Duncan seems very reserved as of late.

Good luck at getting Wallace. There's no way Detroit's letting that dude get away. There is a huge lack on big men in the NBA. Usually, you can hope for one good center on a team and not much after that.

Dallas has always played San Antonio tough. The team I'm always afraid for them to play is L.A. For some reason, Dallas has a mental barrier when playing the Lakers. Last season, we made a HUGE deal over finally beating them on their court. First time in 10 years. That's pretty sad. I would love to see Dallas play L.A. in the playoffs next year.

I think you should never try to duck any team in the playoffs, because if you win, it will taint your championship.

[starman9000]

This thread is great

Mustang-0-line:
"I liked the Lakers back when they sucked, which I am almost sure you can't say about the Kings, because no one like the kings until the galoof brothers actually did something up there."


Umm...the Lakers really never sucked. They might have had an off year or two, but they have won championships since the early 80's.

Yeah that was my point.

[greendj27]

This thread is great

Mustang-0-line:
"I liked the Lakers back when they sucked, which I am almost sure you can't say about the Kings, because no one like the kings until the galoof brothers actually did something up there."


Umm...the Lakers really never sucked. They might have had an off year or two, but they have won championships since the early 80's.

Yeah that was my point.

Ooops. Too many quotes in there. I didn't realize that mustang had said that.

[Snowcone]

They will have to get by the Spurs first. I think the Spurs learned a lot this year about the fact that they need to adapt their game to different styles of defense. I also think Rasho needs to get more aggressive or we need a bigman like Ben Wallace to come in and get crazy on the posts since Duncan seems very reserved as of late.

Good luck at getting Wallace. There's no way Detroit's letting that dude get away. There is a huge lack on big men in the NBA. Usually, you can hope for one good center on a team and not much after that.

Dallas has always played San Antonio tough. The team I'm always afraid for them to play is L.A. For some reason, Dallas has a mental barrier when playing the Lakers. Last season, we made a HUGE deal over finally beating them on their court. First time in 10 years. That's pretty sad. I would love to see Dallas play L.A. in the playoffs next year.

I think you should never try to duck any team in the playoffs, because if you win, it will taint your championship.

I agree. The Mavs always play tough and they are a good team. I also think Wallace is staying in Detroit, but I can dream can't I?

[chickenhawk]

Wow, I am coming into this thread late. But here are my 2 cents about the various issues.

I used to have great respect for SAC fans (BTW they always had a good fan base, even when they sucked ass!), but I lost most of that respect for them after the Wolves series because of all the crap they felt needed to be on the court.

The Lakers are obviously going to the Finals and Phil said it best when he said they were fortunate to play a Wolves team without their full complement of players. If Cassell was healthy, let alone Troy Hudson, the outcome probably would have been very different. Evidence of that is that it was a tough 6 games series with virtually no contribution from Cassell.

Dallas is going nowhere unless they make some changes. They still can't play a lick of defense and that will equal early playoff exits every year even if they add more scorers. I found it interesting (but not suprising) that they got worse with all ther "additions". You've heard of addition by subtraction...well, Dallas showed us that it's possible to have subtraction by addition.

The Spurs will likely not make any major changes this offseason. Baring injury, they will be a contender again next year, but I don't see a Finals trip in their immediate future unless they get another reliable scorer or Ginobili has a breakout season. Ginobili has gotten way too much hype so far. I've even heard some NBA people call him :an unstoppable slasher". What? Granted, he has great potential, but he has not even approached that status yet.

Finally, I see the most potential from the Wolves for a Finals trip next season. You may say I'm biased, but look at the facts. KG is the man and has become to some extent the go-to guy people have been asking that he be for the last 3 years. Cassell and Spree can obviously still play and they have a great complelemt of role players. They had the #1 seed in the West and went 6 games with the "mighty" Lakers in the conference finals in a season while they arguably had the most banged up roster in the league. Granted, keeping Hudson is a priority and Kandiman must improve over the offseason, but they have the pieces in place.

There you have it....my 2 cents. To add one more cent maybe...can the Bulls PLEASE live up to their potential next season!?!?!

[magilacudy]

There you have it....my 2 cents. To add one more cent maybe...can the Bulls PLEASE live up to their potential next season!?!?!

Thought you might like that chickenhawk.


Orlando's No. 1 pick and Juwan Howard to Chicago for center Tyson Chandler and point guard Kirk Hinrich. Why it makes sense: Chicago has grown tired of dealing with the Baby Bulls -- a.k.a. Eddy Curry and Chandler -- and would like to move one of them this summer. Howard would give the Bulls the professionalism that they lacked much of last season and Okafor could improve their shoddy defense.

Imagine the Bulls with Okafor? Nah they'd be stuck in the same boat as before. They can't have either a competent point guard and a reliable forward/center, they need both. I don't see them fixing the situation any time soon.

And another note, Kandi is trash. Every time he touches the ball he turns it over or does something stupid with it. One of the commentators said it best, that he's not ready to play at playoff level yet. The Wolves are pretty much stuck with him though. Unfortunately.

[chickenhawk]

There you have it....my 2 cents. To add one more cent maybe...can the Bulls PLEASE live up to their potential next season!?!?!

Thought you might like that chickenhawk.


Orlando's No. 1 pick and Juwan Howard to Chicago for center Tyson Chandler and point guard Kirk Hinrich. Why it makes sense: Chicago has grown tired of dealing with the Baby Bulls -- a.k.a. Eddy Curry and Chandler -- and would like to move one of them this summer. Howard would give the Bulls the professionalism that they lacked much of last season and Okafor could improve their shoddy defense.

Imagine the Bulls with Okafor? Nah they'd be stuck in the same boat as before. They can't have either a competent point guard and a reliable forward/center, they need both. I don't see them fixing the situation any time soon.

And another note, Kandi is trash. Every time he touches the ball he turns it over or does something stupid with it. One of the commentators said it best, that he's not ready to play at playoff level yet. The Wolves are pretty much stuck with him though. Unfortunately.

Agreed. Kandi was trash in the playoffs, but towards the end opf the regular season, he showed some promise. His playoff performance however was one of the worst I have seen in a long time. He has potential, but he needs to utlize who has in MN. McHale was one of the best post players ever and Kandi doesn't seem to care about that. If he doesn't want to develop his post game through McHale he needs to stop thinking of himself as a scorer and just focus on rebounding and defense. Maybe Charlotte will pick him in the expansion draft. :)

Re: Ben Mallers suggestion to trade away Hinrich...if there is one player the Bulls need to keep it's him. He gives them energy, defense (do the Bulls even know what that is anymore), and some toughness.

[Grave_Addiction]

Wow, I am coming into this thread late. But here are my 2 cents about the various issues.

Dallas is going nowhere unless they make some changes. They still can't play a lick of defense and that will equal early playoff exits every year even if they add more scorers. I found it interesting (but not suprising) that they got worse with all ther "additions". You've heard of addition by subtraction...well, Dallas showed us that it's possible to have subtraction by addition.

There you have it....my 2 cents. To add one more cent maybe...can the Bulls PLEASE live up to their potential next season!?!?!

Dallas made it to one game of the NBA Finals the year before last by not playing "a lick of defense." All they have to do, is play average defense and they are fine.

What hurt them this year was they fooled around with so much of their chemistry that they were never able to recover from it. Actually, Van Exel and La Frentz were hurt a lot of the year last year, and those injuries were lingering, so I still think Dallas made good moves by adding the players they did. With the exception being Walker. I hate him.

Adding Jamison was a brilliant trade.

Here's all Dallas has to do to become an instant and legitimate contender for the champs next season.

Add:
Greg Ostertag
Nick Van Exel
One or two other decent defenders

Subtract:
Antoine Walker
Travis Best

[eatntae]

Dallas made it to one game of the NBA Finals the year before last by not playing "a lick of defense." All they have to do, is play average defense and they are fine.[/b]
Chris Webber going down with injury also helped them. Unlikely that Dallas will go to the Finals next year. If Kobe stays with the Lakers, I don't think Dallas can beat them in a 7 game series. Same with the Kings if they don't make drastic changes. The Spurs have enough cap room to add a good free agent next year, and this year they were one of the best teams. The Wolves are only going to get better when they all get healthy. Basically, if the 4 teams I mentioned don't do too much to change their rosters, Dallas will only be 5th best.

As far as this years Finals, Kobe is a great defender, and will probably guard Hamilton. While he won't hold him scoreless and totally shut him down, the Lakers won't have to double team him. I don't think the Lakers have to double team anybody on the Pistons. They just need to make sure they keep the Pistons from getting into the lane.

[Snowcone]

They just need to make sure they keep the Pistons from getting into the lane.

That was easy against the small Tony Parker but I think it will be hard to keep Prince and Hamilton out of the lane.

[Lstorm34]

Dallas Mavericks in the NBA FINALS? you know they are re-aligning the league next year do you? the new nba southwest divison consist of the
SPURS, ROCKETS,GRIZZLES, HORNETS , AND MAVERICKS. the mavs might finish 2nd to last in that DIVISION. they need to unload contracts on the mavs cuz they dont have enough to sign Steve Nash. the most they can offer nash is 4.5 mill a year. i doubt steve would do that. they need to move walker and jaimison to free up money but i doubt any team would like to take walkers 14 mill a year contract and same as jaimison unless they take a bad contract back which they would be in the same situation they are now needing the money to sign nash.

[chickenhawk]

Wow, I am coming into this thread late. But here are my 2 cents about the various issues.

Dallas is going nowhere unless they make some changes. They still can't play a lick of defense and that will equal early playoff exits every year even if they add more scorers. I found it interesting (but not suprising) that they got worse with all ther "additions". You've heard of addition by subtraction...well, Dallas showed us that it's possible to have subtraction by addition.

There you have it....my 2 cents. To add one more cent maybe...can the Bulls PLEASE live up to their potential next season!?!?!

Dallas made it to one game of the NBA Finals the year before last by not playing "a lick of defense." All they have to do, is play average defense and they are fine.

What hurt them this year was they fooled around with so much of their chemistry that they were never able to recover from it. Actually, Van Exel and La Frentz were hurt a lot of the year last year, and those injuries were lingering, so I still think Dallas made good moves by adding the players they did. With the exception being Walker. I hate him.

Adding Jamison was a brilliant trade.

Here's all Dallas has to do to become an instant and legitimate contender for the champs next season.

Add:
Greg Ostertag
Nick Van Exel
One or two other decent defenders

Subtract:
Antoine Walker
Travis Best

You may be right that all they have to do is play "average" defense, but you have to admit, they can't even do that for 2 or 3 games in a row, let alone a 7 game series. With Nash, Dirk, and Finley, they should have been going to the Finals if they could only play defense. You admit in your post that they need Ostertag (decent defender) and one or two other defenders...don't be such a homer and admit your teams' flaws.

[Grave_Addiction]

Dallas Mavericks in the NBA FINALS? you know they are re-aligning the league next year do you? the new nba southwest divison consist of the
SPURS, ROCKETS,GRIZZLES, HORNETS , AND MAVERICKS. the mavs might finish 2nd to last in that DIVISION. they need to unload contracts on the mavs cuz they dont have enough to sign Steve Nash. the most they can offer nash is 4.5 mill a year. i doubt steve would do that. they need to move walker and jaimison to free up money but i doubt any team would like to take walkers 14 mill a year contract and same as jaimison unless they take a bad contract back which they would be in the same situation they are now needing the money to sign nash.

Okay, first off, the Mavs finished with a good record this year. They weren't great on the road, but still won 52 games. They were the best team at home in the entire NBA, and they finished with a better record than the Rockets, Grizzlies and Hornets. So, I really don't know how you figure they might finish second to last. Yes, those teams are getting better, but this was a bad year for the Mavericks.

The Mavericks will continue to change the supporting cast around the Big Three until they find people who will stick. They have found several of those players and can grab some more next year.

They have a $4.5 million mid-level exception next year that they will probably give to Marquis Daniels and Ostertag.

You are wrong about Nash, though. I really don't know where you're getting your information on the Mavs needing to get rid of Jamison or Walker just to be able to re-sign Nash. Jamison should be back in Dallas next year and Walker should be playing basketball in Cuba.

I'm assuming the $4.5 million a year you talked about is the MLE. Actually, they can offer him as much as a five-year extension with 12.5 percent annual raises after the 2004-05 season. Such as deal would total approximately $39 million, with the final season approaching $10 million.

That last bit was taken from the Star Telegram, so they can offer Nash a nice deal without even having to dip into their MLE, allowing them to use that on Ostertag and Daniels.

[Grave_Addiction]

You may be right that all they have to do is play "average" defense, but you have to admit, they can't even do that for 2 or 3 games in a row, let alone a 7 game series. With Nash, Dirk, and Finley, they should have been going to the Finals if they could only play defense. You admit in your post that they need Ostertag (decent defender) and one or two other defenders...don't be such a homer and admit your teams' flaws.

So you say I'm a homer because I said we need better defense and that I admitted my teams flaws, but you said in the same paragraph that "I have to admit, they can't even play average defense for 2 or 3 games in a row, let alone a 7 game series." I dunno, but the last time I checked, that's pretty much the same thing you just accused me of, bro.

I really don't see the problem admitting flaws in my team. I can't stand the stupid people out there who argue endlessly that their teams have no flaws. If you can't be a realistic fan, that's ridiculous.

The Mavs have shown they can defend. In the 2002-2003 season, they played decent defense and played good defense throughout the playoffs. Like I said earlier, they took the Spurs to the limit in the Conference Finals and Dirk was out for that last game. But I'm not saying we lost solely because Dirk was out, though.

[Lstorm34]

i've been watching the nba playoffs. Right after they were eliminated. Steven A. Smith said "they will have to move either Walker or Jaimison to sign steve nash. this is the only way they can keep him unless for some reason Nash decides to take a HUGE paycut which i doubt. there will be other teams willing to pay him 7-10 mill a year to play ball. But looking at Walkers and Jamison's contract i doubt anybody is crazy enought to take one of these two players who doesnt play DEFENSE and make 14 mill a year." The mavs are over the cap and have plenty of players who are overpaid.

[Lstorm34]

You may be right that all they have to do is play "average" defense, but you have to admit, they can't even do that for 2 or 3 games in a row, let alone a 7 game series. With Nash, Dirk, and Finley, they should have been going to the Finals if they could only play defense. You admit in your post that they need Ostertag (decent defender) and one or two other defenders...don't be such a homer and admit your teams' flaws.

So you say I'm a homer because I said we need better defense and that I admitted my teams flaws, but you said in the same paragraph that "I have to admit, they can't even play average defense for 2 or 3 games in a row, let alone a 7 game series." I dunno, but the last time I checked, that's pretty much the same thing you just accused me of, bro.

I really don't see the problem admitting flaws in my team. I can't stand the stupid people out there who argue endlessly that their teams have no flaws. If you can't be a realistic fan, that's ridiculous.

The Mavs have shown they can defend. In the 2002-2003 season, they played decent defense and played good defense throughout the playoffs. Like I said earlier, they took the Spurs to the limit in the Conference Finals and Dirk was out for that last game. But I'm not saying we lost solely because Dirk was out, though.

first round:
(3) DALLAS vs. (6) PORTLAND
Gm 1: Dallas 96, Portland 86
Gm 2: Dallas 103, Portland 99
Gm 3: Dallas 115, Portland 103
Gm 4: Portland 98, Dallas 79
Gm 5: Portland 103, Dallas 99
Gm 6: Portland 125, Dallas 103
Gm 7: Dallas 107, Portland 95

second round:
Gm 1: Sacramento 124, Dallas 113
Gm 2: Dallas 132, Sacramento 110
Gm 3: Dallas 141, Sacramento 137 (2OT)
Gm 4: Sacramento 99, Dallas 83
Gm 5: Dallas 112, Sacramento 93
Gm 6: Sacramento 115, Dallas 109
Gm 7: Dallas 112, Sacramento 99

Conf Finals:
Gm 1: Dallas 113, San Antonio 110
Gm 2: San Antonio 119, Dallas 106
Gm 3: San Antonio 96, Dallas 83
Gm 4: San Antonio 102, Dallas 95
Gm 5: Dallas 103, San Antonio 91
Gm 6: San Antonio 90, Dallas 78

thats not decent defense. and they did not take the spurs to the limit.

[bignick]

Another day, and the kings still suck.

[Grave_Addiction]

You may be right that all they have to do is play "average" defense, but you have to admit, they can't even do that for 2 or 3 games in a row, let alone a 7 game series. With Nash, Dirk, and Finley, they should have been going to the Finals if they could only play defense. You admit in your post that they need Ostertag (decent defender) and one or two other defenders...don't be such a homer and admit your teams' flaws.

So you say I'm a homer because I said we need better defense and that I admitted my teams flaws, but you said in the same paragraph that "I have to admit, they can't even play average defense for 2 or 3 games in a row, let alone a 7 game series." I dunno, but the last time I checked, that's pretty much the same thing you just accused me of, bro.

I really don't see the problem admitting flaws in my team. I can't stand the stupid people out there who argue endlessly that their teams have no flaws. If you can't be a realistic fan, that's ridiculous.

The Mavs have shown they can defend. In the 2002-2003 season, they played decent defense and played good defense throughout the playoffs. Like I said earlier, they took the Spurs to the limit in the Conference Finals and Dirk was out for that last game. But I'm not saying we lost solely because Dirk was out, though.

first round:
(3) DALLAS vs. (6) PORTLAND
Gm 1: Dallas 96, Portland 86
Gm 2: Dallas 103, Portland 99
Gm 3: Dallas 115, Portland 103
Gm 4: Portland 98, Dallas 79
Gm 5: Portland 103, Dallas 99
Gm 6: Portland 125, Dallas 103
Gm 7: Dallas 107, Portland 95

second round:
Gm 1: Sacramento 124, Dallas 113
Gm 2: Dallas 132, Sacramento 110
Gm 3: Dallas 141, Sacramento 137 (2OT)
Gm 4: Sacramento 99, Dallas 83
Gm 5: Dallas 112, Sacramento 93
Gm 6: Sacramento 115, Dallas 109
Gm 7: Dallas 112, Sacramento 99

Conf Finals:
Gm 1: Dallas 113, San Antonio 110
Gm 2: San Antonio 119, Dallas 106
Gm 3: San Antonio 96, Dallas 83
Gm 4: San Antonio 102, Dallas 95
Gm 5: Dallas 103, San Antonio 91
Gm 6: San Antonio 90, Dallas 78

thats not decent defense. and they did not take the spurs to the limit.

Yes, I think that's decent defense for a team that plays like Dallas. You can't go by point totals to judge Dallas and Sacramento's defense. You have to look at their opponent's field goal percentage.

Those two teams shoot way too fast compared to teams like Detroit and SA, who play more of a half-court game. Of course when you run the shot clock down to three or four seconds before you shoot the ball, the score is going to be low.

[Lstorm34]

You may be right that all they have to do is play "average" defense, but you have to admit, they can't even do that for 2 or 3 games in a row, let alone a 7 game series. With Nash, Dirk, and Finley, they should have been going to the Finals if they could only play defense. You admit in your post that they need Ostertag (decent defender) and one or two other defenders...don't be such a homer and admit your teams' flaws.

So you say I'm a homer because I said we need better defense and that I admitted my teams flaws, but you said in the same paragraph that "I have to admit, they can't even play average defense for 2 or 3 games in a row, let alone a 7 game series." I dunno, but the last time I checked, that's pretty much the same thing you just accused me of, bro.

I really don't see the problem admitting flaws in my team. I can't stand the stupid people out there who argue endlessly that their teams have no flaws. If you can't be a realistic fan, that's ridiculous.

The Mavs have shown they can defend. In the 2002-2003 season, they played decent defense and played good defense throughout the playoffs. Like I said earlier, they took the Spurs to the limit in the Conference Finals and Dirk was out for that last game. But I'm not saying we lost solely because Dirk was out, though.

first round:
(3) DALLAS vs. (6) PORTLAND
Gm 1: Dallas 96, Portland 86
Gm 2: Dallas 103, Portland 99
Gm 3: Dallas 115, Portland 103
Gm 4: Portland 98, Dallas 79
Gm 5: Portland 103, Dallas 99
Gm 6: Portland 125, Dallas 103
Gm 7: Dallas 107, Portland 95

second round:
Gm 1: Sacramento 124, Dallas 113
Gm 2: Dallas 132, Sacramento 110
Gm 3: Dallas 141, Sacramento 137 (2OT)
Gm 4: Sacramento 99, Dallas 83
Gm 5: Dallas 112, Sacramento 93
Gm 6: Sacramento 115, Dallas 109
Gm 7: Dallas 112, Sacramento 99

Conf Finals:
Gm 1: Dallas 113, San Antonio 110
Gm 2: San Antonio 119, Dallas 106
Gm 3: San Antonio 96, Dallas 83
Gm 4: San Antonio 102, Dallas 95
Gm 5: Dallas 103, San Antonio 91
Gm 6: San Antonio 90, Dallas 78

thats not decent defense. and they did not take the spurs to the limit.

Yes, I think that's decent defense for a team that plays like Dallas. You can't go by point totals to judge Dallas and Sacramento's defense. You have to look at their opponent's field goal percentage.

Those two teams shoot way too fast compared to teams like Detroit and SA, who play more of a half-court game. Of course when you run the shot clock down to three or four seconds before you shoot the ball, the score is going to be low.

sacramento shot 48%+ 5 of the 7 games and 4 of the 5 sacramento shot over 51%. and 4 of the 6 games against the spurs the spurs shot over 54%.

[Grave_Addiction]

Do you care to back up you're info with a credible link?

[chickenhawk]

Grave addiction.....

Won't quote....too long.....

I said you were a homer cause you seemed reluctant to admit to the flaws of the Mavs. You admitted they needed "one or two" decent defenders. That's hardly saying they need to get better defensively. They need a stopper!

BTW...you want to look at FG percentage. I looked it up.... 2001-2002 postseason, the Mavs opponents shot 46.1%. That ranked them 15th (out of 16). In 2002-2003 opponents shot 45.4%, putting them 11th. Mmmmmm.....great defense. That is not even average defense which you claim would put the Mavs over the top.

[Lstorm34]

i've been watching the nba playoffs. Right after they were eliminated. Steven A. Smith said "they will have to move either Walker or Jaimison to sign steve nash. this is the only way they can keep him unless for some reason Nash decides to take a HUGE paycut which i doubt. there will be other teams willing to pay him 7-10 mill a year to play ball. But looking at Walkers and Jamison's contract i doubt anybody is crazy enought to take one of these two players who doesnt play DEFENSE and make 14 mill a year." The mavs are over the cap and have plenty of players who are overpaid.

[Grave_Addiction]

Grave addiction.....

Won't quote....too long.....

I said you were a homer cause you seemed reluctant to admit to the flaws of the Mavs. You admitted they needed "one or two" decent defenders. That's hardly saying they need to get better defensively. They need a stopper!

BTW...you want to look at FG percentage. I looked it up.... 2001-2002 postseason, the Mavs opponents shot 46.1%. That ranked them 15th (out of 16). In 2002-2003 opponents shot 45.4%, putting them 11th. Mmmmmm.....great defense. That is not even average defense which you claim would put the Mavs over the top.

I'm not reluctant to admit their flaws, they have plenty, and I'll openly admit to each and everyone I believe in. I still believe they need one or two more defensive minded players. They have several good defenders in Daniels, Howard and Najera. The Big Three will probably never be good defenders, but if they can play average defense, they will be able to make a good run in the playoffs.

Also, look at who they played in the Finals. They played seven games with Sacramento. A team that can shoot just as good, if not better at times, as the Mavericks. Of course their opponent's field-goal percentage would be high. I'm not making excuses, I just know the Mavs played good defense throughout the regular season and played good enough defense to get really far in the playoffs.

No, the Mavs didn't play great defense, they didn't even play average defense this year. My point was, they played good enough defense to get close to winning the Western Conference Finals the year before, so they can do it again if they get some quality supporting players.

[chickenhawk]

OK....thanks for the clarification. It seems I misjudged your ability to look at your teams flaws. They do have good defenders in the guys you mention, but they don't play them enough. Daniels was a rookie this year so maybe he can help them in this regard. I think you stated the problem without even knowing it though. "The Big Three will probably never be good defenders..." Their three best players, at 3 crucial spots do not play good defense. They have been in the league long enough that I can safely say they aren't going to start playing D now. IMHO, one of them needs to go (or come off the bench) so they can start a stopper who can play the opponents best perimeter player.

Re: the shooting %...you kinda changed your tune. Before you were saying that they played decent defense if you looked at the field goal percentage....then I quoted the actual numbers and now you admit that that wasn't the case.

Anyway, we could go all day on this, which is probably bad for both of our jobs. :)

[6669]

Will the Lakers finish off the Timberwolves? I'd have to say yes, because they just did 2 days ago.

[chickenhawk]

Will the Lakers finish off the Timberwolves? I'd have to say yes, because they just did 2 days ago.

:lol:

Considering the heated discussion we're having in this thread now, this was a nice deviation!

[6669]

Will the Lakers finish off the Timberwolves? I'd have to say yes, because they just did 2 days ago.

:lol:

Considering the heated discussion we're having in this thread now, this was a nice deviation!

Thanks, thats what I was going for. :D

[Grave_Addiction]

OK....thanks for the clarification. It seems I misjudged your ability to look at your teams flaws. They do have good defenders in the guys you mention, but they don't play them enough. Daniels was a rookie this year so maybe he can help them in this regard. I think you stated the problem without even knowing it though. "The Big Three will probably never be good defenders..." Their three best players, at 3 crucial spots do not play good defense. They have been in the league long enough that I can safely say they aren't going to start playing D now. IMHO, one of them needs to go (or come off the bench) so they can start a stopper who can play the opponents best perimeter player.

Re: the shooting %...you kinda changed your tune. Before you were saying that they played decent defense if you looked at the field goal percentage....then I quoted the actual numbers and now you admit that that wasn't the case.

Anyway, we could go all day on this, which is probably bad for both of our jobs. :)

LOL, yeah but I enjoy talking sports, so I'll go one more time, since I'm done with my work for the day.

Don't forget, Josh Howard was a rookie, too. He played awesome most of the season, but he kinda took a step back in the playoffs.

The Mavs will always get burned if all they play is man-to-man defense. Don Nelson knows this and that's why the Mavs play more zone defense than anyone else in the league. That helps to hide our weaknesses on defense. but in order to play a good zone, we need a good center to help stop the streaking guards who slash through the zone and get shots in the paint. I believe Ostertag can help in this regard.

Because they play the zone, they don't have to have Nash or Finley always playing super defense. But Dirk needs to play better defense. It sad at times to see when he has to guard a faster player. He gets his feet moving really fast and then I know something bad is going to happen. He's such an agile big man, but I just have no clue as to why he isn't playing better defense. Nash and Finley are probably too old to start playing better defense now, but Dirk is still really young. He came into the league at like 18 or 19.

On the percentage issue, I was talking about the regular season. I knew they didn't play good defense in the playoffs, but I could remember reading countless articles on their improved D during the season. Also, Nelson made defense a point in the preseason. It seemed to have helped, but like I said, playing Sacramento will always hurt your stats and defense.