Revolution to play TurboGrafix & Genesis games [Mobile/Archive]

LinkinPrime

03-23-2006, 04:54 PM

Next-gen Nintendo console's game-download service will span not just decades but former competitors' classic systems.

SAN JOSE, Calif.--Everything old is new again. You only have to look at the success of Xbox Live Arcade to know that while gamers are demanding the hottest graphics and the latest innovations from their next-gen hardware, they also relish the opportunity to travel down memory lane--and they're willing to pay for that chance.
Nintendo knows this. The company announced at E3 last year that its forthcoming Revolution would help scratch the nostalgic itch with a "virtual console" that will let users download and play potentially hundreds of games from the company's back catalog, spanning all of its older systems--the Nintendo 64, SNES, and the hallowed NES.
At its GDC keynote this morning, Nintendo unveiled plans to flesh out the Revolution's classic-game library even beyond its own storied library. Today during his keynote speech at the 2006 Game Developers Conference, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata announced that two former hardware rivals--Sega and Hudson--will make sizable chunks of their own back catalog available for download on the Revolution.
According to Nintendo, over 1,000 games for Sega's Genesis console, released in 1989, will be added to the Revolution's library. Joining them will be an undisclosed number of titles from the Hudson's TurboGrafx console, also released in 1989 and codeveloped by electronics giant NEC. Though no specific titles were mentioned, Nintendo said it is taking a "best of" approach in selecting which games will come to the Revolution.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6146528.html

Awsome news. Viva la Revolution

klwillis45

03-23-2006, 04:59 PM

Very cool but I'm worried about the price point for these titles. $20 compilation discs usually give you plenty of bang/buck. If they try and get $5 a crack, my nostaglia habit is gonna get expensive quick.

pimpinc333

03-23-2006, 05:02 PM

Nice! Shining Force 1 and 2 for Revo. Very Cool. Nintendo is doing some great things.

A7las

03-23-2006, 05:02 PM

Poor GameTap... I don't know how well they are doing now, but I have a feeling this isn't going to help them any.

manthing

03-23-2006, 05:03 PM

Nice. If the TurboDuo "Dracula X" is avilable, I'm in for a Rev.

shipwreck

03-23-2006, 05:06 PM

According to Nintendo, over 1,000 games for Sega's Genesis console, released in 1989, will be added to the Revolution's library.

According to shipwreck, there were just over 700 games released for the Genesis in North America. Probably about half of those are games already covered by titles that were on the SNES. Something doesn't add up right.

To say the least, I'm a little skeptical of the numbers Nintendo is throwing around. I don't even know how they would get all the publishers/license holders to agree to do this.

It's cool that they are trying to do this, but I don't believe those numbers for a second. Plus, if they are planning to try and go for that huge of quantity, you can be assured that there will be no online multiplayer added to any of those games or anything new.

evilmax17

03-23-2006, 05:16 PM

According to shipwreck, there were just over 700 games released for the Genesis in North America. Probably about half of those are games already covered by titles that were on the SNES. Something doesn't add up right.

To say the least, I'm a little skeptical of the numbers Nintendo is throwing around. I don't even know how they would get all the publishers/license holders to agree to do this.

It's cool that they are trying to do this, but I don't believe those numbers for a second. Plus, if they are planning to try and go for that huge of quantity, you can be assured that there will be no online multiplayer added to any of those games or anything new.
He probably meant 1,000 games total globally. Japanese Revs would get Japanese Gen games of course.

It'd be neat if that number included SCD, 32X, and SMS games too...but I doubt it.

Edit:

Also, if this deal includes PC-E games in Japan, then that would give Nintendo a huge selling point. The PC-E was just as popular as the Famicom back in the day, maybe moreso at certain times.

shipwreck

03-23-2006, 05:22 PM

He probably meant 1,000 games total globally. Japanese Revs would get Japanese Gen games of course.

It'd be neat if that number included SCD, 32X, and SMS games too...but I doubt it.

Maybe 1000 games across NES, SNES, N64, Genesis & TurboGrafx, but there is no way 1000 games on the Genesis alone. I don't think they can even touch most of the old licensed stuff (movies, tv, comics, etc.), pro league sponsored games with player names, or the hundreds of games that are in some kind of license limbo. I'm going to say they'll be lucky to have 100 unique Genesis games available for download over the course of the Revo. Still good, but no where near that 1000 number that they are trying to throw around.

Puffa469

03-23-2006, 05:29 PM

I hope this is true, but beware the upcoming April Fools stories...

Tybee

03-23-2006, 05:35 PM

I hope this is true, but beware the upcoming April Fools stories...

$20 says we see a "Nintendo Revolution to play PS1 and original X-Box titles!!!" story. Count on it.

Incidentally, the title of this thread should be "Nintendo says 'All your consoles are belong to us!'"

Reality's Fringe

03-23-2006, 05:38 PM

As long as Virtual Boy is included in the mix, these other games are just icing on the cake.

guyver2077

03-23-2006, 05:38 PM

nice! i wouldnt purchase this as emulators exist but nice feature

Supercake

03-23-2006, 05:41 PM

Splatterhouse on the Rev?! Ha, I hope so. I'm lucky to not have spoiled myself with Tg16 emulation. I'd love to play some Bloody Wolf and Rondo of Blood, Legendary Axe too. I've had my fill of Genesis, but if the price is right, I'll do it.

botticus

03-23-2006, 05:46 PM

Iwata actually said not all Genesis/TG-16 games would be included, but the "best" ones would be.

Foolman

03-23-2006, 05:48 PM

Maybe 1000 games across NES, SNES, N64, Genesis & TurboGrafx, but there is no way 1000 games on the Genesis alone. I don't think they can even touch most of the old licensed stuff (movies, tv, comics, etc.), pro league sponsored games with player names, or the hundreds of games that are in some kind of license limbo. I'm going to say they'll be lucky to have 100 unique Genesis games available for download over the course of the Revo. Still good, but no where near that 1000 number that they are trying to throw around.
I believe Iwata said that the virtual console would have the best of the Genesis's 1000(?) games.

EDIT: Grr, Botticus!

botticus

03-23-2006, 05:49 PM

I believe Iwata said that the virtual console would have the best of the Genesis's 1000(?) games.

EDIT: Grr, Botticus!
Copying and pasting all day at work gets me primed for fast typing. Or carpal tunnel.

terborx

03-23-2006, 06:06 PM

So does this mean we'll be getting Genesis / TG "shell" controllers as well?

Blind the Thief

03-23-2006, 07:28 PM

As long as Gunstar Heroes is on there, I'm sold.

Kendal

03-23-2006, 08:02 PM

So does this mean we'll be getting Genesis / TG "shell" controllers as well?

Wasn't the TG-16 controller basically like a NES controller? If so, could't you just turn the Rev controller sideways just like you would do when you play the NES games on the Rev?

Sway

03-23-2006, 08:04 PM

I just wished there was a Mutant League combo disc before the Rev comes out.

undyingforce5

03-23-2006, 08:05 PM

So does this mean we'll be getting Genesis / TG "shell" controllers as well?

im sure third party controllers will be made to cover all the angles!!!!

Richlough

03-23-2006, 09:16 PM

Cool ! I can finally play Galaga '90 & Bonk .

alongx

03-23-2006, 11:44 PM

Wasn't the TG-16 controller basically like a NES controller? If so, could't you just turn the Rev controller sideways just like you would do when you play the NES games on the Rev?

Yeah it was. The Genesis would be slightly tricky, though, since Sega decided to add another 3 buttons onto the original controller late in the console's life. I imagine it'd work with the SNES shell. Hopefully one shell will cover them all - SNES, N64, GC, Genesis - with the NES and TG-16 obviously sufficiently handled by just the remote.

spooie_redux

03-24-2006, 12:10 AM

Remember folks... the Genesis covers 4 units... the Genesis itself, the Sega CD, the Sega 32X and the Sega Master System, by using the Power Base Convertor.

I think we'll get more than just straight Genesis games, but he probably said Genesis because it is the most recognized of the era... just as I'm sure we'll get Turbo Super CD and Turbo Duo games along with Turbo Grafx 16.

Scorch

03-24-2006, 01:41 AM

Why's this thread still open? We've been talking about it in the proper thread.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88564

I AM WILLIAM H. MACY

03-24-2006, 01:49 AM

Hooray!

Who da man? Yoda man!

(Nintendo's also pretty cool)

RAMSTORIA

03-24-2006, 01:53 AM

Why's this thread still open? We've been talking about it in the proper thread.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88564

shut up

Skelah

03-24-2006, 01:59 AM

what about 32x or sega cd games perhaps saturn? Then they would realy be getting somewhere.

asianxcore

03-24-2006, 02:01 AM

hooray for Turbo Grafix games.

I'm really hoping they do both the Bonk games and Cadash. Cadash got no love.

Gothic Walrus

03-24-2006, 02:31 AM

That's it.

If I wasn't sold on the Revolution before, this'll do it. If they can give me my Sonic, Vectorman, and Comix Zone emulated accurately (as in no sound issues like on the old Dreamcast compilations) on top of all of the Nintendo titles...well, looks like I'll be in line opening day for the first time in my life. :D

hooray for Turbo Grafix games.

I'm really hoping they do both the Bonk games and Cadash. Cadash got no love.
Back when I was younger, I really wanted to try the Bonk games but never could because I didn't have anywhere to turn to for TG16 games. Looks like I get my chance now. :)

j.elles

03-24-2006, 02:45 AM

Shells for Genesis etc... And I think Sega CD etc... might come as well. This is great news. Especially since after Genesis my next console from them was the dreamcast. This just became a huge selling point for me. And Emulaters can be really annoying. I'd prefer a real emulater. And with Nintendo's usual quality this should be great.

whoknows

03-24-2006, 02:48 AM

Tybee

03-24-2006, 02:50 AM

Wow...DragonLance....That takes me back about 15 years. ;)

j.elles

03-24-2006, 03:01 AM

My favorite charecter. Has been for many years and theres been no serious competition from any other books etc... i've read since.

Anyway, some of those old games are costly, really costly. And emulaters just don't do it for me. The audio and lack of original controller, it's always just felt wrong. Also, the potential for the more recent classic systems like Sega CD, Saturn, 32x that are expensive and can't really be emulated well. I'm sold. I mean come on we will probably see them on the system. And I have never owned those consoles I just mentioned. When not if this happens they are going to sell these things like crazy. I think Nintendo will sell millions of these things for the emulater capabilities alone.

Sleepkyng

03-24-2006, 03:06 AM

So...so far the Revolution has old games available for it and the controller that no one really knows how it works exactly with games...If I want to play Genesis games I'll just play my Genesis...unless the downloads of the games are free I'll pass...until actual Revolution games are shown.

I want to see what this special controller can do!!

here's why this is special - to the average consumer, the REV gives you basically the all in one system - it comes out of the box with more than 1000 titles.

And some of those titles can't be beat for the retro gamer, or for young kids (dude, duck tales for NES?)

On top of that - you have a system that is 2-3x as powerful as a gamecube with an innovative new way of interacting with the game that is intuitive as well as deep.

whoknows

03-24-2006, 03:10 AM

here's why this is special - to the average consumer, the REV gives you basically the all in one system - it comes out of the box with more than 1000 titles.

And some of those titles can't be beat for the retro gamer, or for young kids (dude, duck tales for NES?)

On top of that - you have a system that is 2-3x as powerful as a gamecube with an innovative new way of interacting with the game that is intuitive as well as deep.
Not right out of the box...people will need a high speed connection and probably a credit card...Nintendo hasn't said if it will be free or not yet, but I highly doubt it will...

I wouldn't mind stuff like this being announced for the Revolution except for the fact that nothing about the Revolution has been released yet! No games in action, no people using the controller...I want to see what the system can really do...I could have already guessed that it can play 15+ year old games...

Sleepkyng

03-24-2006, 03:29 AM

the average consumer is going to be using wifi in the next 2/3 years - with nintendo's cheap broadband adaptor alone (and i'm sure something similar will be for the REV) i think they'll be fine.

but if I'm a 35 year old dad who was 17 when the nes came out (or maybe a little older) I think at least browsing those old games is going to pique my interest.

also, if it is cheaper (which I'm sure it will be) than the other systems, it is going to be hard to pass up.

The fact that nothing has really been released about the rev is fine with me- that's nintendo being nintendo - the fact that you really want to see what all the talk is about says a lot more for the Rev than it does for the 360 or ps3, imo.

terborx

03-24-2006, 03:47 AM

shut up

Thank you. I hate mega-conglomerate threads.

Tybee

03-24-2006, 10:33 AM

My favorite charecter. Has been for many years and theres been no serious competition from any other books etc... i've read since.

I felt the same way. Then I got to high school. ;)

Anyway, some of those old games are costly, really costly. And emulaters just don't do it for me. The audio and lack of original controller, it's always just felt wrong. Also, the potential for the more recent classic systems like Sega CD, Saturn, 32x that are expensive and can't really be emulated well. I'm sold. I mean come on we will probably see them on the system. And I have never owned those consoles I just mentioned. When not if this happens they are going to sell these things like crazy. I think Nintendo will sell millions of these things for the emulater capabilities alone.

Agreed.

megaseadramon

03-24-2006, 11:34 AM

RAMSTORIA

03-24-2006, 11:41 AM

The average joe who used to play the old games really doesn't know how to run an emulator let alone own the old systems so this will be perfect for them. It would be nice if I could pack up my old nintendo systems seeing as they clutter up my room. Same goes with my games, I have over 300 nintendo games for all systems and can't handle much more. Viva La Reveolution!

its true, youd be shocked how many people walk into gamestop and ask to buy emulators or ask, "i heard you can get something that lets you play old games on the computer" and literally have no clue what they are... apparanly they dont know what google is either

megashock5

03-24-2006, 01:54 PM

I read the "over 1,000" part as being across the Genesis and TG16 library. And, as others have pointed out, we'll be getting the "best of" those libraries. Whatever that means. Let's hope there's some robust support.

j.elles

03-24-2006, 02:49 PM

I felt the same way. Then I got to high school.
I'm in my twenties and he's just the most memorable charecter i've read about. Of course I was 12 when I read the book and 13-14 I think when I read Legends. Great books. I stopped reading fantasy books because none of them were better then those original ones. Not even those wierd new ones by the same authors.

Anyway, they already said there would be more support then from just sega. The only question I have is the Saturn, 32x, Sega cd coming to the virtual console. Nights into Dreams on revolution. Panzer Dragoon etc... I know Nintendo is coming up with a way to put these titles on their service. It's just a question of when they succeed.

Tybee

03-24-2006, 03:15 PM

I'm in my twenties and he's just the most memorable charecter i've read about. Of course I was 12 when I read the book and 13-14 I think when I read Legends. Great books. I stopped reading fantasy books because none of them were better then those original ones. Not even those wierd new ones by the same authors.

Um...You've read Tolkien, right?

Anyway, they already said there would be more support then from just sega. The only question I have is the Saturn, 32x, Sega cd coming to the virtual console. Nights into Dreams on revolution. Panzer Dragoon etc... I know Nintendo is coming up with a way to put these titles on their service. It's just a question of when they succeed.

I'd like to see some GameGear games on there. There were some decent games for that system. I still have mine.

Dogpatch

03-24-2006, 03:25 PM

Hopefully they will keep the downloads inexpensive. If they do, they would probably make a killing. Kind of like collecting cards or something similiar. Who can stop at one?

Sleepkyng

03-24-2006, 03:32 PM

holy shit i need to play shining force for game gear again.

Tybee

03-24-2006, 03:36 PM

holy shit i need to play shining force for game gear again.

That was one I was thinking of in particular. I have fond memories of that game, probably because I played through it while on a trip to England. Then again, a lot of RPGs have come and gone since then. I seriously doubt I'd enjoy it as much as I did back in the day. I remember it being VERY repetitive.

terborx

03-24-2006, 03:39 PM

Too many of my favorite games for Genesis were licensed (hey, I was a kid, I didn't know better).. I doubt they'll bother to put games like Jurassic Park and X-Men on revolution. Licensing problems probably won't let them anyway.

Sleepkyng

03-24-2006, 03:49 PM

That was one I was thinking of in particular. I have fond memories of that game, probably because I played through it while on a trip to England. Then again, a lot of RPGs have come and gone since then. I seriously doubt I'd enjoy it as much as I did back in the day. I remember it being VERY repetitive.

i remember my friend had a gamegear and it blew me away - and i played shining force for a six hour car ride non stop (thank god for the car adaptor) and then once the trip was over i never saw a game gear again... :(

mvega

03-24-2006, 04:10 PM

Well...The idea is good and all, but...To play those games with that CONTROLLER...

dtcarson

03-24-2006, 04:14 PM

While I greatly appreciate the idea of emulation, and have tried various emulators, there is something to be said for actually playing the 'real' game on a 'real' console, either the original release, a compilation disk, or what-have-you. Emulation is a great way to try out games before buying them, or to check out those classics you missed just to get a taste.

I'll admit, I'm not a Nintendo fan, I haven't ever bought a Nintendo console and the only ones I've owned were the Gameboy [original monochrome one] and an NES, but the Revolution is piquing my interest more and more.
Two comments: 1, who decides the 'best' games, and what will they be? [ultimately it comes down to the games, after all]; and 2, I am very interested in the pricing structure and deployment model of these games. 10 bucks for one download of one game that is only playable on one console--not so attractive. 2 bucks for download to a game, that can be played offline and redownloaded in case you get a new system--more attractive.

"According to Nintendo, over 1,000 games for Sega's Genesis console, released in 1989, will be added to the Revolution's library. Joining them will be an undisclosed number of titles from the Hudson's TurboGrafx console, also released in 1989 and codeveloped by electronics giant NEC."

To me that sounds like "over 1000" Genesis games, and TG games are over and above that. I guess you could toss in 32x and Sega CD games in there, since you have to have a Genesis to play them, but that still sounds a little high.

botticus

03-24-2006, 04:20 PM

"According to Nintendo, over 1,000 games for Sega's Genesis console, released in 1989, will be added to the Revolution's library. Joining them will be an undisclosed number of titles from the Hudson's TurboGrafx console, also released in 1989 and codeveloped by electronics giant NEC."

To me that sounds like "over 1000" Genesis games, and TG games are over and above that. I guess you could toss in 32x and Sega CD games in there, since you have to have a Genesis to play them, but that still sounds a little high.
That wasn't quoted properly. He was alluding to the thousand-game Genesis library, of which the best would be provided as part of the download service.

Tybee

03-24-2006, 05:07 PM

i remember my friend had a gamegear and it blew me away - and i played shining force for a six hour car ride non stop (thank god for the car adaptor) and then once the trip was over i never saw a game gear again... :(

I still have mine, all the big-ass accessories, about 12 games (including SF: Sword of Hayja), even the boxes. Haven't cracked it out in years, though. After growing used to today's screen technology, looking at that thing would be roughly akin to trying to play on a Fat Boy.

soliddragon

03-24-2006, 05:11 PM

Blazing Lazers, Bloody Wolf, Super Star Soldier, Here I come!!

SpazX

03-24-2006, 05:23 PM

I was just thinking and wouldn't it be bitchin if with the purchase of the Revolution you get like 5 free game credits or something? That would be awesome.

If they put the old games at something like $2-3 a download they would have tons of people buying that shit up. I know I'd buy a couple just for the hell of it. Adding online play to some of the more multiplayer-focused games would kick a whole hell of a lot of ass too...man, the possibilities...

Tybee

03-24-2006, 05:38 PM

j.elles

03-24-2006, 06:01 PM

Um...You've read Tolkien, right?
You don't want my opinion of the books if you're a fan. To not inspire to much hatred I thought the movies were alright. Like I said though I stopped reading Fantasy a Long time ago. I pick up something every once in a while and flip through it but haven't actually bought or read one in years and years.

But in the end I think Nintendo is doing a good job with this new console so far. I mean the possibilities for the service are huge. And I'm thinking certain games will come with some classics. As well as compilations for some of them being sold at stores.

Tybee

03-24-2006, 06:18 PM

You don't want my opinion of the books if you're a fan. To not inspire to much hatred I thought the movies were alright. Like I said though I stopped reading Fantasy a Long time ago. I pick up something every once in a while and flip through it but haven't actually bought or read one in years and years.

That's alright. You're entitled to your opinion (both in terms of DragonLance AND Tolkien). Read what ya like, like what ya read. I'll stick with Faulkner and Joyce. ;)

But in the end I think Nintendo is doing a good job with this new console so far. I mean the possibilities for the service are huge. And I'm thinking certain games will come with some classics. As well as compilations for some of them being sold at stores.

They do seem to be handling the publicity side of things well so far (with the possible exception of announcing that it wouldn't support HD, which got them some negative press). But everything else has only served to garner excitement and support for the system.

j.elles

03-24-2006, 06:35 PM

480p and widescreen will probably be fairly universal. Look at F-Zero on the cube. That currently supports both those on the cube. I recently got the component cables for my set and I say that 480p is good enough compared to 720P that I don't mind. Not to mention from what I've heard of 1080P I don't have my hoped up for PS3 delivering it. 720P is more then likely going to be the most common. And 480P is good enough for me. Which has been Revolution confirmed for some time now.

botticus

03-24-2006, 09:07 PM

My friend related an amusing revelation to me earlier today, not sure where he picked it up...

Nintendo has created the ultimate paradox: Genesis does what Nintendon't; Nintendo's Revolution now does what Genesis did; Nintendo now does what Nintendon't.

Flee. Quickly.

Gothic Walrus

03-24-2006, 10:40 PM

SpazX

03-25-2006, 12:41 AM

And I'm thinking certain games will come with some classics.

Ah, another great idea, buy the new rev mario special edition for $10 extra and get all the classic mario downloads...

I dunno how much it will cost nintendo to emulate all their old games, but I'm guessing not all that much so they'll basically just be paying for server upkeep and since the old NES games take up about as much space as 1/10 of an mp3 I can't see how they could possibly charge that much for the old games...

RAMSTORIA

03-25-2006, 01:44 AM

I can't see how they could possibly charge that much for the old games...

oh they can. because while the average cag wont pay that much for old nintendo games, the vast majority of the population will. and like you said it wont cost that much to do, so im sure theyd rather charge 5 dollars a game and have 10,000 people download it than charge 1 dollar a game and have 25,000 people download it.

SpazX

03-25-2006, 02:01 AM

Well naturally I think the games should cost more the newer they are since that would only make sense. I'd think they should do something like $2 for NES, $3 for SNES, whatever. $5 would have to be the limit though, I know they charged an assload for those classics on GBA, but there was cost for putting them on the chips, packaging, cartridges, distribution, etc. while for a download they just make sure it's not buggy, upload it, and it's good.

They certainly can charge way too much, but I don't see the point, it's not like that's their main revenue stream and the cheaper they make those classic games the more people will be interested in the rev to play them.