Too Human - Gen. Discussion & Info

[A Happy Panda]

Mielke liked KUF: CoD though. So it's not supposed to be much of an insult.

Oh what? Wow. He's lost all credibility for me then when it comes to dungeon-crawling, loot collecting games.

[FriskyTanuki]

Oh what? Wow. He's lost all credibility for me then when it comes to dungeon-crawling, loot collecting games.
That's a bit of a stretch though, as his latest blog post (http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8845946&publicUserId=4549175) lists a bunch of loot-centered games that are his favorites in that subgenre and it's not on there at all. His post (http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8589862&publicUserId=4549175) on why he couldn't put Circle Under Fire down isn't very glowing, especially when he agrees with a D- review for that game.

[pete5883]

That's a bit of a stretch though, as his latest blog post (http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8845946&publicUserId=4549175) lists a bunch of loot-centered games that are his favorites in that subgenre and it's not on there at all. His post (http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8589862&publicUserId=4549175) on why he couldn't put Circle Under Fire down isn't very glowing, especially when he agrees with a D- review for that game.
Didn't see those. I remembered this article: (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3167566)

Let's just be honest: Like most reviewers, we didn't really enjoy Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom. In his review of the game, 1UP copy editor Andrew Fitch called the game "the perfect way to sabotage the Kingdom Under Fire series."

But then something strange happened. 1UP's editor-in-chief of videogames, James Mielke, got really into the game. He played it obsessively, quickly moving past the faults that so many saw, and discovered an addictive Diablo II-style lootfest that he couldn't get enough of. Fascinated by his fascination, Mielke got in touch with Kingdom Under Fire's game director, Henry Lee, to discuss how he found such an enthralling experience within a game that so many people were quick to ignore.

And quotes like:

Kingdom Under Fire: Circle Of Doom might be one of the best games to successfully combine the addictive Diablo II-style dungeon hack-n-slash qualities with item (loot) collecting around.

[FriskyTanuki]

He never says he likes it, though, just that he obsessed over it. The fact that he didn't bring it up in his post on his newest blog post on the subject says a lot about that to me.

[pete5883]

I'm not saying you're wrong, just pointing out where I got that impression.

[GuruuShah]

YO YO YO ITS HERE CAGS lol. even though its gettin harsh reviews i dont think its goin to stop me from buyin this game

[sendme]

I just beat the first boss. Not to hard. Only died once and got a dre just as I was about to kill it. I still have yet to try the armor codes again. I can see me playing this game more then once with all classes.

[Mrcapcom]

I just beat the first boss. Not to hard. Only died once and got a dre just as I was about to kill it. I still have yet to try the armor codes again. I can see me playing this game more then once with all classes.

Thats good enough for me although I was going to get it regardless.

[whiptcracker]

He never says he likes it, though, just that he obsessed over it. The fact that he didn't bring it up in his post on his newest blog post on the subject says a lot about that to me.

I'd generally assume that becoming obsessed with a game generally means there's something enjoyable about the game to become obsessed with. I can't imagine he sat there playing for hours playing the game thinking 'Man I hate this game! I'll stop playing it, just after one more level'.

I think given the expectations, internet message board drama, etc, it will be impossible to find a truly objective review of the game.

Personally, I enjoyed the demo and plan on picking up the game and judging for myself. I only expect the game to be a dungeon hack with a combat system that's more fun than the usual dungeon hack of pressing the attack button over and over until enemies are dead.

[TC]

Let us know some quick impressions of how well the online co-op works.

[LinkinPrime]

Does the game offer split-screen co-op?

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Does the game offer split-screen co-op?

Online co-op only.

[Poor2More]

I purchased this game around 10 am this morning at Gamestop, I was a little skeptical at first due to reviews bein less then favorible. After 3 hours of game time, I have to say I'm impress with the deep character advancement, great loot system, story has me on my toes. As for the camera its actually pretty good once you choosee the right camera mode for your style (I prefer ISO, pulled back camera view).

Bottomline if you go in on this game looking for a good action/RPG, and love some loot and wouldent mind having something in your 360 until Diablo III comes out, then you will not be dissapointed. I have no clue how one reviewer said KUF: Circle of Doom was better (that game was terrible, even for a loot fanatic).

If you guys have any questions, just shoot, and I will try to answer them to the best of my knowledge

[FriskyTanuki]

I'd generally assume that becoming obsessed with a game generally means there's something enjoyable about the game to become obsessed with. I can't imagine he sat there playing for hours playing the game thinking 'Man I hate this game! I'll stop playing it, just after one more level'.
Sometimes bad games can be oddly compelling, compelling enough that you have to keep playing out of principle. These are a few of his quotes about the game from his blog post:

For the record, I completely agree with Andrew Fitch's review (http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3165326&sec=REVIEWS), and yet this is one of those crap games that I keep on playing. Kind of like Bullet Witch (http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3158571), but different.
The list of FAIL that Circle of Doom conjures up is going to be so massive that by the time I'm done, you too will wonder why on Earth I'm playing it after acknowledging its faults, but bear with me.
Still, the lure of even better stuff (the best stuff usually drops in the infrequent boss fights) and harder difficulty levels has me enduring what must be one of the most unfinished games of all time. A simple dungeon crawler can and should be easy enough to get right, and yet so few of them do

[Poor2More]

Sometimes bad games can be oddly compelling, compelling enough that you have to keep playing out of principle. These are a few of his quotes about the game from his blog post:

This I have to agree, it happen to me, When first playing Two Worlds, I heard how horrible it is, but come friday I tried it out and low and behold I sat their playing the whole weekend (20 hours+) 700 worth of achievments, and I still dont like the game but it had me by the balls and I dont know what was keeping me their......

[KingBroly]

Sometimes bad games can be oddly compelling, compelling enough that you have to keep playing out of principle. These are a few of his quotes about the game from his blog post:

Kinda why I kept playing Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 all the way to completion.

[whiptcracker]

Sometimes bad games can be oddly compelling, compelling enough that you have to keep playing out of principle. These are a few of his quotes about the game from his blog post:

I can see that point. There have been some pretty bad games that I've played over and over again, though generally it was because the game did something different enough from other games that I kept coming back to it even if it did everything else wrong.

[seanr1221]

I'm having fun with it.

I made my berzerker a cybernetic; hope I made the right choice.

[Razzuel]

I'm having fun with it.

I made my berzerker a cybernetic; hope I made the right choice.

From what I have heard—Giant Bomb—it doesn't matter either way.

[Mojimbo]

Anyone know if the pre-order armor is locked to a certain level?

[sendme]

I have yet to even see the preorder armor. I thought it would be in my inventory when I started but it was not.

[Mojimbo]

Dang. :-(

[SoulReaver]

Anyone know if the pre-order armor is locked to a certain level?
From what I hear, no its not. However, it basically becomes obsolete after the first few levels

[crowbb]

I've been going back and forth. At first I was unimpressed with the controls and camera. I got used to both and was enjoying myself....until the 2nd boss fight. I just finished it minutes ago. I won't go into any spoilers but my god it is the most irritating boss fight I can remember. I'm sure I have had a worse boss fight in some game in the past....but if it exists I've blocked it from my mind. Also it has nothing to do with difficulty since the way the death system is, the game seems to have none.

[Renegade Moose]

From what I hear, no its not. However, it basically becomes obsolete after the first few levels

Does anybody know where to get the armor? I thought I could buy it in the store where it says download content, but I don't see it there.

[Kilger]

you have to create your character then the armor you start out with should be the preorder armor, if not it should be in your inventory

[Mojimbo]

Does the game throw away loot that's worse than what you have equipped? One hour plus and I don't have a single piece of extra armor or weapons in my inventory.

[seanr1221]

That's really odd. By that point I had a bunch of different weapons.

[Layziebones]

The game hasn't blown me away but it is very fun to play. I like it more than the demo.

[Callandor]

Definitely enjoying the gameplay so far. The opening cinematics were simultaneously cool (story) and hilarious (robo animation gliding lol!). Still trying to get a handle on the "advanced" combat tricks, but getting there.

I'd play more tonight, but I'm just too tired. Soon as I get home tomorrow, the first level will be finished.

Now, for your viewing pleasure:

A defense of Too Human:
http://api.seesmic.com/#/video/bC3G2bh7jy/watch

And just for kicks:
http://www.giantbomb.com/news/2humanalypse-now-strictly-for-my-gamerz/160/

[MaskedPlague]

Does the game throw away loot that's worse than what you have equipped? One hour plus and I don't have a single piece of extra armor or weapons in my inventory.

Check your loot management settings on the bottom of the equipment page. Make sure it says "off" or "smart". I messed up and started with "everything" getting salvaged.

[MaskedPlague]

I'm sorry, let me rephrase the question, based on your prior post:

Is anyone who is actually planning on picking the game up interested in coop this weekend?

There, that's better.

I could play some coop this weekend.

[fuss]

I have some pre-order codes I will post, I have no idea if its one-time only use or one code will work many times - either way here is a few:

R38B4-HG2TF-MVYWF-R89XK-2RH7W

KY6VG-63HDK-2YD4F-T88FM-PJTDY

W39FM-MR8GF-3DDDD-QV4QJ-V4VBT

FW9RP-7V88R-KQMQP-X6DRB-HKYWJ

KDYTJ-HRMG9-72T9D-47B4W-GPC48

GQTR7-B97TD-H72RD-98PH3-WHBVQ

XVX3M-DRVJV-7CP3B-XJVJY-2GFJG

B9Y6G-2GF8B-K4RD6-84FWR-2CDYT

KTJHK-7VKVY-PFYKB-MW484-7BV78

I would like to know if they are multi-use or one-time. So if you use one, or get shot down please let me know.

Enjoy!

[FriskyTanuki]

Used the B9Y6G code. Thanks.

[Tha Xecutioner]

I have some pre-order codes I will post, I have no idea if its one-time only use or one code will work many times - either way here is a few:

XVX3M-DRVJV-7CP3B-XJVJY-2GFJG


I would like to know if they are multi-use or one-time. So if you use one, or get shot down please let me know.

Enjoy!
I used this one, and it seems they are a one-time use. Thanks! 8-)

[Bretters]

I tried the B9Y6G code and it was invalid (one time use).

I grabbed GQTR7 - Thanks a ton :D

[Tha Xecutioner]

Ice Forest is the longest fucking level in video game history, with the most redundant fucking boss. Also, the fact that I was playing co-op with someone and they couldn't even see the boss or ride the elevator up to help me with the boss is madness.

All bitching aside, this game is terribly addicting (especially after getting 325 achievement points in one sit down).

And it seems that the last two levels will be even longer than the Ice Forest because it has 5 checkpoints instead of 4 :|

[FriskyTanuki]

Has there ever been XBLM codes that could be used multiple times?

[sendme]

Ice Forest is the longest fucking level in video game history, with the most redundant fucking boss. Also, the fact that I was playing co-op with someone and they couldn't even see the boss or ride the elevator up to help me with the boss is madness.

All bitching aside, this game is terribly addicting (especially after getting 325 achievement points in one sit down).

And it seems that the last two levels will be even longer than the Ice Forest because it has 5 checkpoints instead of 4 :|

I hate the second level. I though it was 5 and the rest were 3 or 4. It just felt like it would never end when the first one went buy so fast. I'm at 40% compleate in the game already though. So I dont see how much longer the last 2 or 3 levels can be.

[zewone]

Ice Forest is the longest fucking level in video game history, with the most redundant fucking boss. Also, the fact that I was playing co-op with someone and they couldn't even see the boss or ride the elevator up to help me with the boss is madness.

All bitching aside, this game is terribly addicting (especially after getting 325 achievement points in one sit down).

And it seems that the last two levels will be even longer than the Ice Forest because it has 5 checkpoints instead of 4 :|

It seems that elevator co-op glitch is widespread.

That's fucking shitty.

[Tha Xecutioner]

It seems that elevator co-op glitch is widespread.

That's fucking shitty.Yeah, but that on top of you not even being able to see the boss? :bomb:

[seanr1221]

I haven't ran into any glitches yet, but it is fun as hell.

[pilferk]

I have yet to even see the preorder armor. I thought it would be in my inventory when I started but it was not.

It was in my inventory at start. But then, I activated the armor code BEFORE I created my character.

It lasts for about the first....maybe 8 to 10 levels. After that, it's salvage bait.

[lilboo]

So people ARE liking this game? :-k
Hmmm.

[pilferk]

Definitely enjoying the gameplay so far. The opening cinematics were simultaneously cool (story) and hilarious (robo animation gliding lol!). Still trying to get a handle on the "advanced" combat tricks, but getting there.

I'd play more tonight, but I'm just too tired. Soon as I get home tomorrow, the first level will be finished.

Now, for your viewing pleasure:

A defense of Too Human:
http://api.seesmic.com/#/video/bC3G2bh7jy/watch

And just for kicks:
http://www.giantbomb.com/news/2humanalypse-now-strictly-for-my-gamerz/160/

OMHH, I agree with K.P.

:)

I'm about 5 or 6 hours into the game and I'm having a blast...just about half way through the 2nd area, I think....

Love the loot, love the combat...the camera goes wonky every blue moon but rarely in combat. The only "frustrating" thing I've found is that I'm so USED to being able to spin the camera, I occasionally still try to do it with the right stick. :)

The story, so far, is not bad. I think that you get a LOT more from actually stopping to listen to some NPC conversations (in town, especially) than you do from just blowing through the areas to get to the next cutscene. I'm a mythology "nut", of all kinds, and the Norse mythology is some of my favorite. That might be why I enjoy their take, so far.

The loot is varied, and even the "trash" can be somewhat useful (the exp % boost items outweigh their armor/damage value, sometimes). It all looks cool, even mismatched, and the full sets are bad ass.

The combat is visceral. It can get repetetive if you let it (the juggle mechanic can get overused, but it doesn't have to), but even when repetetive, it's FUN. I actually enjoy the slide mechanic and the different techniques for different enemy types (dark elves, polarity enemies, etc). And the "canon fodder" is LOTS of fun to just bash apart.

The graphics are stunning....I don't care if the character models aren't A+ quality, they do their job and get their point across. The backgrounds are lush. The framerate is steady and I haven't had a single "stutter" yet.

The audio is likewise awesome. Hearing the positional sound (Dolby Digital is almost necessary with the game) and the neat little sound effects (birds in Cyberspace??!!) really show polish. The base shakes my freaking house, which is always cool (though I found that, after the kids are in bed....best to drop my reciever into "night time" mode...otherwise I shake them out of their beds!).

Like KF, I see the "ugly" in the game. The interface is a bit of a pain. Two to three layers of menus to assign skill points...multiple layers to deal with equipment (especially salvage)...all that would need tweaking in a future title. It's not perfect, I'll grant you. But it's fun. And that's WITHOUT having delved into coop yet (something I'll try this weekend), which sounds like it might be even MORE fun than the single player game.

So, anyone scared off by the reviews...I'd say give it a shot. It's not NEARLY the abortion that many of the review sites are making it out to be. Does it llive up to the hype? Maybe not. But it's a good Action RPG, and does enough right to be worth a look.

[pete5883]

A defense of Too Human:
http://api.seesmic.com/#/video/bC3G2bh7jy/watch

And just for kicks:
http://www.giantbomb.com/news/2humanalypse-now-strictly-for-my-gamerz/160/
I lol'd at Giant Bomb.

[pilferk]

So people ARE liking this game? :-k
Hmmm.

I am, that's for sure.

This seems to be one of those times when the reviewers might not speak for the masses.

It's not that I disagree with a whole lot of the context of the reviews. They all bring up some valid points.

But for me, the FUN factor (which, after all, is what it's all about, right?) far outweighs the small (and sometimes not so small) objections the reviewers have.

I'd give the game a solid 7.5 out of 10, and that's without having played coop. Coop could bring that score up just a tad....though from reading about some of the glitches, it could also bring it down just a tad.

[Renegade Moose]

you have to create your character then the armor you start out with should be the preorder armor, if not it should be in your inventory
That makes sense. I was wondering why the stats were so high for my starting armor and my character looked different than the one on the selection screen. Well, I'm starting to find better stuff now anyway, so I guess it was a nice bonus, but not that great.

[GuruuShah]

I really dont understand some of the bad reviews some of the reviews are giving Too Human. yes i agree the game has some problems but its just the first game and its not like most of the problems cant be fixed with a patch or two. Now when the second game comes out then ill be judging it hard because there is so much potential in this game its crazy like fucking 4 player coop or even 6. Anyways love the game and it was worth my 65 bucks of my hard earn money.

[DJSteel]

the games has been scrutinized for a number of years.. put under the microscope and what not.. the only problem I have with the game is they made the game heavily multiplayer friendly... but then, probably for some programming reasons took out everything but the coop.. doesn't kill the game, but it would be better if you could show off your loot to more than 1 friend at a time

[Mrcapcom]

This game rocks I love the loot getting and the achivements are easy enough. I see myself playing to at least get teh 1000/1000 and probally cooping a couple times. I don't understand why everyone hates the game elsewhere. It serves my purpose of not having MUA2 or some other game like it. Gets at least a 8-9 out of 10 sure the camera sucks but after u get used to it its not that bad especially since u hit LB to center the camera where your looking. Def worth my monies =)

[JohnnyFoxDarko]

All the codes are taken. :|

[GLOCKGLOCK]

Yea, I picked this up yesterday from TrU using the B1G1 and 20% off coupons and I have been really happy with the game so far. I have always liked 'loot' games and enjoyed the demo they had released so I was planning on picking this up regardless of what the 'reviews' said. After a decent amount of CAGs vouched for it there was no question I was getting it on my way home from work yesterday.

I sat down to play for 30 min before I went to bed and ended up putting in 2+ hours! Only bummer I had so far was the demo was just the 1st part of the first level of the game so it felt like I had been there before, but I still enjoyed it.

[GuruuShah]

I think this game broke the "im not getting this game because the reviews suck ass" problem i had. i saw the reviews and i still got it because i had faith in what i was buying. I think the worst review was the fat guy on the video review from gamespot. He SHITTED so much on the game that i thought he was going to be skinny by the end of the video.

[Carla_Janice]

I can't wait for this game, kinda reminds me of Mass Effect

[fuss]

All the codes are taken. :|
Well that sucks they are one time, but thanks to the people that posted they used them.

[Wombat]

I have to say that so far I also really like this game, and it is interesting to see how many people like it despite some reviews. I can't remember a game that has had such a disconnect between reviewers and consumers before.

[lilboo]

I'm too fat and lazy to look up reviews, but didn't Crackdown get somewhat "feh" reviews? :-k
I know lots of people really enjoyed it...but I think it scored lots of 7s. I could also be thinking of something else. I could also be thinking about the time that never happened :-k

[GLOCKGLOCK]

And just for kicks:
http://www.giantbomb.com/news/2humanalypse-now-strictly-for-my-gamerz/160/

Nice one, Gerstman threw me a shout out there by breaking out my CAG name "GLOCK GLOCK". :rofl:

Someone posted it in here or in another thread, but with all the hype and all of Dyack's antics on neoGaf and wherever else, I'm not sure you will find an unbiased review of this game. You really just have to try out the demo. If you like that, you will enjoy the game.

Actually in a way, could Dyack have planned it this way? The game had been in development for very long and there was already alot of criticizm going around even before release. Maybe he just decided to use the publicity for what it it worth and let the game speak for itself with consumers. We have seen Microsoft take a pretty half-assed attempt at supporting some games that they didn't expect to get reviewed well or sell well so possibly Dyack decided any publicity was good, especially if MS wasn't going to put alot of effort behind it.

[seanr1221]

Maybe the reviewers are angry at Dennis? Who knows.

[GuruuShah]

I have to say that so far I also really like this game, and it is interesting to see how many people like it despite some reviews. I can't remember a game that has had such a disconnect between reviewers and consumers before.
I dont know what is in the air but I love this game and i dont know why most of the reviews are above 7.5.

I WANT TO KNOW DID YOU THINK TOO HUMAN WINS AGAINST NeoGAF?

[Mojimbo]

How long did you take you guys to clear the second level?Check your loot management settings on the bottom of the equipment page. Make sure it says "off" or "smart". I messed up and started with "everything" getting salvaged.That's embarrassing. I wanted to save everything so I changed that setting early on. :dunce:

Luckily I changed it back to smart at around level 8 or 9.

[jkanownik]

Interesting to see people enjoying this game because I was very unimpressed with the demo (and I've loved other games that got hammered in reviews but had decent gameplay like Saints Row, Crackdown and Two Worlds).

I love loot games (so I really really wanted to like this game) but I really don't see how this is worth $50. Is it really more fun to play this than to pick up a loot game you already own? I just started playing Titan Quest again and it completely squashed any desire at all I had to play Too Human. I also imagine I would also have more fun playing Diablo II.

[whiptcracker]

I picked it up and I'm enjoying it as well. For me it is sort of like how Mass Effect and Assasin's Creed had issues; Mass Effect with it's inventory system, clumsy MAKO controls, elevator loading times, and texture pop-in and Assassin's Creed with the repetitive nature of it's missions and some odd gameplay mechanics. I enjoyed both of those games even with the assorted issues they had and both of those games have the potential for fantastic sequels.

Too Human is sort of the same for me. It has issues that are occasionally frustrating or annoying, but it's still a lot of fun. Especially for a dungeon hack. The combat in Too Human, at least for me, is far more satisfying than the combat in other dungeon hack games.

[Rodimus]

I'll give this a shot and Gamefly it. Besides the initial reviews I've been hearing good things about this. With that said I'm glad I didn't buy it.

[DJSteel]

I picked it up and I'm enjoying it as well. For me it is sort of like how Mass Effect and Assasin's Creed had issues; Mass Effect with it's inventory system, clumsy MAKO controls, elevator loading times, and texture pop-in and Assassin's Creed with the repetitive nature of it's missions and some odd gameplay mechanics. I enjoyed both of those games even with the assorted issues they had and both of those games have the potential for fantastic sequels.

Too Human is sort of the same for me. It has issues that are occasionally frustrating or annoying, but it's still a lot of fun. Especially for a dungeon hack. The combat in Too Human, at least for me, is far more satisfying than the combat in other dungeon hack games.


that is a great point.. what the problem is with Too Human is that there aren't the graphics of an Assassin's Creed or Mass Effect to hypnotize reviewers from seeing those game flaws...

[dmaul1114]

That is probably a fair point. I just could get past the flaws in Too Human since I'm not big into dungeon crawls. Though I would still say the flaws were more crippling in Too Human than in Mass Effect (I didn't play Assassin's Creed). The flaws in Mass Effect were more peripheral than having a crappy camera and boring, repetitive, limited combat system as in Too Human IMO. I can overlook popup, load times etc., but I have a harder time with a bad camera system and combat I don't enjoy. Of course, other's may be more annoyed by ME's flaws so it's subjective.

But glad some people are enjoying it!

[Mojimbo]

You can't convert items from human ---> cybernetic or the other way around, right?

[CdnArmy33]

This I have to agree, it happen to me, When first playing Two Worlds, I heard how horrible it is, but come friday I tried it out and low and behold I sat their playing the whole weekend (20 hours+) 700 worth of achievments, and I still dont like the game but it had me by the balls and I dont know what was keeping me their......

I bought Two Worlds a couple of weeks ago for $15 and have been putting tons of hours into it. If you can ignore the horrible voice acting/script if actually a diablo style loot collecting game. If your into WRPG's and Diablo I would recommend it on the cheap.

[Ice2Dragon]

This game is too freaking short... and its just a mass effect.. with co op.

The loot part is somewhat cool, but the menu to change it is a pain.. crafting the elite armor set takes a while too.

And its going to take people a WHILE to get 1 million in bounty.. Im 3/4 done and I only have near 120,000 loot.

Overall, huge disappointment.

Expect a giant price drop within a month..

[FriskyTanuki]

I'm not sure why I have a squad following me around all the time, they're amongst the most worthless bunch of CPU partners that I've ever seen in a game.

The game's good though, as I like the loot collectin' and the combat's not that bad.

[seanr1221]

The CPUs really are stupid. They literally can't kill anything.

[Ice2Dragon]

The CPUs really are stupid. They literally can't kill anything.

I dont think theyre supposed to.. but they can kill sometimes. I juggled an enemy into the air and then the CPU destroyed it, unlocking the achievement for it..

They are overall terrible though.

[FriskyTanuki]

I finished the Ice Forest and I'm wondering if my experience with the boss was unique or not. I got to the final area and went up the elevator to the path it took me with one barrier to take down before attacking the five pods, but I died and it seemed to keep starting me over instead of letting me at least face the boss with everything in place from before I died. When restarting that same path, once there were two barriers and the five pods and another time I still had to take down the barrier, but the pods seemed to have retained the damage I had inflicted before I died. The final time after I died there was no barrier and just three pods remaining, which left me with enough health to defeat the robots and move to the next floor. Basically, did the floor you were taken from, if you died a few times, ever remain in the shape you had left it or did it reset every time? It just seemed odd from what I've seen happen when I die mid-battle.

[Ice2Dragon]

I finished the Ice Forest and I'm wondering if my experience with the boss was unique or not. I got to the final area and went up the elevator to the path it took me with one barrier to take down before attacking the five pods, but I died and it seemed to keep starting me over instead of letting me at least face the boss with everything in place from before I died. When restarting that same path, once there were two barriers and the five pods and another time I still had to take down the barrier, but the pods seemed to have retained the damage I had inflicted before I died. The final time after I died there was no barrier and just three pods remaining, which left me with enough health to defeat the robots and move to the next floor. Basically, did the floor you were taken from, if you died a few times, ever remain in the shape you had left it or did it reset every time? It just seemed odd from what I've seen happen when I die mid-battle.

Yes, it should remain the same. You cant reactivate ruins youve already been to in the same runthru of a level, so bosses stay the same.

How did u die so much lol :)

[sendme]

You think the squad you have is worthless you should wait till level 3. Not as bad as the squad at times but others it is no point in haveing him.

Also tip for the 3rd boss



Use two guns and fire both at the same time. Run around and use the dodge button to get around. Kill the smaller ones if they get to close. I tried this at first with a lazer two handed gun I had. Took forever and I died 4 or 5 times. Once I changed guns it took me no time at all. Also he will punch the ground when he starts just dodge out of the way and keep shooting.

EDIT: I should say this was done with the champion. So if you played another class I cant say that this might work due to not knowing how they play.

[seanr1221]

That was my problem with the second boss

I used a laser rifle and it took FOREVER

[Noedskou]

I'm looking forward to buying this though i will probably not be picking it up full price. As Ice2Dragon said it'll probably drop in price in a months time or so. Despite the fact that it have had some rather "meh" reviews i still might enjoy this as a lot of you guys and people i know seem to like it a lot.

[GuruuShah]

I'm not sure why I have a squad following me around all the time, they're amongst the most worthless bunch of CPU partners that I've ever seen in a game.

The game's good though, as I like the loot collectin' and the combat's not that bad.
I was playing in the ice forest and you know the guy that always says its a good day die, the game gliched and i had two of him because in the ice forest the shield will sometimes will turn on behind you and block your squad and trap you in. the guy got though with me and another was spawned on the other side of the shield.

[lilboo]

I have a dumb question as this is based on the demo only. As I was playing I had leveled up and it told me to add points or whatever.. how do you do that? I was all over that screen but I couldn't find points to give out..? What was I doing wrong/missing.

[PhoenixT]

there is a skills thing on the menu thing that you drop points in lilboo, it lookes like a skill tree from diablo 2 when you look at it.

[lilboo]

:lol: I'm at work so I guess I'll check that out on the demo later. I looked all over and I still didn't see points. I just saw equipment and what level to be for certain equipment.

[Mrcapcom]

Day 2 The game is turning out to be fun still I agree with everyone the the soldiers thats with you are garbarge only time they really fight is when I die lol. I love the game though am I right to say that lasers suck? They look really cool but it seems like everyone shields them. Oh and how do you get dual weapons? Im a beserker and not one dual weapon has dropped I been using hammers and the sticks (lol forgot the name) are those considered dual wield cause im using too hands? (<--see what I did thar? lol)

[GuruuShah]

Day 2 The game is turning out to be fun still I agree with everyone the the soldiers thats with you are garbarge only time they really fight is when I die lol. I love the game though am I right to say that lasers suck? They look really cool but it seems like everyone shields them. Oh and how do you get dual weapons? Im a beserker and not one dual weapon has dropped I been using hammers and the sticks (lol forgot the name) are those considered dual wield cause im using too hands? (<--see what I did thar? lol)
lol i love laser but yeah some enemys o block it. the best gun is the a slug cannon exspecially in the ice forest second boss.
I got a shit load of dual swords i cant use because im a defender but check your loot settings maybe that willl help.

[Mrcapcom]

I had it set to salvage all grey and i just changed it to salvage nothing because I never got a dual sword. I love the laser too but when I was fighting the dog lookin thing on the first stage he and all minions blocked everything im like wth. I don't really like the two handed guns though. And the hammer is fast I want a huge sword though. Im thinking I should of went champion.

[GuruuShah]

lol yea when there is a boss or mini boss fight the boss deploys shields to protect thier minions from guns period.
i would say you buy a dual sword from the weapon shop in the town.

[Mrcapcom]

I don't know how to do that... yet lol I just picked my side and im in the frozen forest.

[GuruuShah]

I don't know how to do that... yet lol I just picked my side and im in the frozen forest.
lol in the town usually their is a map intercom everywhere just click "A" when you get close to one. it will show you where the store is.
The ice forest is freaking long lol but you have the option of going but to Asier (the town).

[a_bleak_tomorrow]

Yeah the ice forest is super long. Any one read the Kotaku review I'd say its about spot on. Havent really seen any graphical glitches. And I'm not done yet.

[Ice2Dragon]

Yeah the ice forest is super long. Any one read the Kotaku review I'd say its about spot on. Havent really seen any graphical glitches. And I'm not done yet.

There are a few, my character has glitched outside walls several times for seconds, or dipped below the map.

Yes, ice forest is really long.. its longer than all the other levels.

Level 3 is very short compared to the other 3..

[Mrcapcom]

lol in the town usually their is a map intercom everywhere just click "A" when you get close to one. it will show you where the store is.
The ice forest is freaking long lol but you have the option of going but to Asier (the town).

I can go back to town anytime I want? please tell me how :drool::bouncy:

[Ice2Dragon]

I can go back to town anytime I want? please tell me how :drool::bouncy:

In multiplayer, hit start and go to aesir.

In single player, I think you have to wait til the end of the level.

[Mojimbo]

7 piece elite suit = complete armor plus a weapon?

[Mrcapcom]

Not to be saying something bad but can't we just clone the elite armor and pass around here on CAG so we can all get the achivement?

[GLOCKGLOCK]

Has anyone picked up the game guide for this game? I didn't even see one when I picked it up but I rarely see them at TrU. The BB website indicates that one exists. I remember playing Diablo II the Brady guide that came with the BattleChest was key for me, especially with all the different types of items, sets, etc. I'm wondering if the TH guide is thorough like that one.

[Ice2Dragon]

Not to be saying something bad but can't we just clone the elite armor and pass around here on CAG so we can all get the achivement?

Im not sure if the elite armor is a blueprint you need to construct, or its just random armor found.

Im only level 32.. Ill find out once I hit level 50.. people on gfaqs have been saying that the armor pops up around 40.

[a_bleak_tomorrow]

There are a few, my character has glitched outside walls several times for seconds, or dipped below the map.

Yes, ice forest is really long.. its longer than all the other levels.

Level 3 is very short compared to the other 3..

Yeah level three was nothing compared to ice forest. what is everyone leveled to? I think Im 27.

[Ice2Dragon]

Yeah level three was nothing compared to ice forest. what is everyone leveled to? I think Im 27.

32..

If anyone wants me to run them thru the levels let me know..

It lets me level up as well as helping u guys out lol

[FriskyTanuki]

I don't think I get what the charms are all about. I've completed a few, collected and inserted the runes, and completed the attached quest, so what happens after that?

[a_bleak_tomorrow]

I don't think I get what the charms are all about. I've completed a few, collected and inserted the runes, and completed the attached quest, so what happens after that?

Now im not sure but i know you put completed lvl one charms into lvl two charms but i havent completed a level three one yet so im not sure what to do after that.

Here is what it says on mycheats: Runes & Charms: These small items can be attached to your character for small, extra boosts in strength. Charms are more situational upgrades that have little miniature quests/achievements attached. Fill the quest's requirements (usually killing a certain number of enemies a certain way) and you can get the Charm's bonus, which is usually a reward of equipment. Later, you'll pick up Charms of a higher level that will usually need a few weaker Charms to fully grow. It's best to equip Charms ASAP and work towards building them up early and often. Runes are inserted in equipment with empty Rune slots (they will say as much in their stats). The equipment is labeled with funny names, but those names are from their inherent Runes. Collecting unattached Runes like "Blight," "Plasma," "The Maiden," and so on will add small boosts in their associated stats, such as increased armor strength from "The Maiden." If you find yourself relying on a certain weapon or piece of armor that just happens to have a Rune slot, it won't hurt to slot in an extra Rune. Runes can also affect the items' colors when attached, further customizing your character's look.

[seanr1221]

It's my understanding, frisky, that charms will work once you complete their tasks.

The runes you put in them are just for an extra bonus.

[zewone]

No, you need the runes.

[seanr1221]

So...who wants to hear how stupid I am? :dunce:

I'm a Berzerker right? I thought that just meant really good at melee...but I didn't realize how much BETTER it was to use two swords.

Yes...I didn't figure this out until the 3rd stage :-#

I wonder what the best gun/melee combos are for all the classes...

[Tha Xecutioner]

So...who wants to hear how stupid I am? :dunce:

I'm a Berzerker right? I thought that just meant really good at melee...but I didn't realize how much BETTER it was to use two swords.

Yes...I didn't figure this out until the 3rd stage :-#

I wonder what the best gun/melee combos are for all the classes...I thought the Berserker would be my favorite, but in reality he's awful when it comes to the higher levels. The low HP is detrimental when you get surrounded.

[zewone]

Power leveling does not work.

Warping to the last stage to fight the last boss to get an achievement does not work.

[Ice2Dragon]

Power leveling does not work.

Warping to the last stage to fight the last boss to get an achievement does not work.

Nope, they really thought of everything lol.

Ive got 2/4 of the beating levels without dying..first and the last.

I beat level 3 without dying, but it didnt unlock.. pissed me off.

almost debating not playing it again becuase of it.

Disappointed you cant repair armor online, only weapons, but in single player you can repair both..

crap.

[sendme]

When you beat level 3 did you end up saveing or quiting the game at some point in the level? From what someone posted on xbox360achievements.org you have to play it in one sitting. I thought I migh tbe able to get it for the first one but got a DRE so no chance in me getting it and both times I played the first level I got a DRE.

Also from what the guid says you only get some skills if your human? I was thinking about for the Commando going Cybernetic however from what the guid shows I wong get Helm Reddener. It is the second skill at the top you get. Anyone know what class would be better to go cybernetic?

[ajh2298]

I had this pre-ordered at GS and never picked it up I might pick it up at TRU if they still have a copy left. My question is how important was that armor you got for free if you pre-ordered the game?

[seanr1221]

I thought the Berserker would be my favorite, but in reality he's awful when it comes to the higher levels. The low HP is detrimental when you get surrounded.

Basically I run in, get off a few quick attacks (I'm a cyborg, so I'm slower but stronger), roll to the side, then dash in again. I can take down a troll in 2 hits, and those spider dark elves in 3. Since I put on dual swords I haven't had too much trouble.

Not sure who I'll create next. But are there certain weapons that work better for certain classes?

When you beat level 3 did you end up saveing or quiting the game at some point in the level? From what someone posted on xbox360achievements.org you have to play it in one sitting. I thought I migh tbe able to get it for the first one but got a DRE so no chance in me getting it and both times I played the first level I got a DRE.

Also from what the guid says you only get some skills if your human? I was thinking about for the Commando going Cybernetic however from what the guid shows I wong get Helm Reddener. It is the second skill at the top you get. Anyone know what class would be better to go cybernetic?

I would THINK a commangdo and cybernetic would go hand in hand. Wouldn't a commando with a cannon be great?

I had this pre-ordered at GS and never picked it up I might pick it up at TRU if they still have a copy left. My question is how important was that armor you got for free if you pre-ordered the game?

It's good up until about level 10.

[whiptcracker]

Anyone who has gone back to previous levels notice that some parts of the level were different? I could swear the bridge in 1-2 had just some barriers on it, but when I went back at level 10 the barriers had turned into a small maze.

[Ice2Dragon]

When you beat level 3 did you end up saveing or quiting the game at some point in the level? From what someone posted on xbox360achievements.org you have to play it in one sitting. I thought I migh tbe able to get it for the first one but got a DRE so no chance in me getting it and both times I played the first level I got a DRE.

Also from what the guid says you only get some skills if your human? I was thinking about for the Commando going Cybernetic however from what the guid shows I wong get Helm Reddener. It is the second skill at the top you get. Anyone know what class would be better to go cybernetic?

Commando should go cybernetic to be honest.

Yes i did it in one sitting. no idea why it didnt unlock. Dont care, Im still 5k kills away from 20k, and a bunch of other achievements left to do, so its not a big deal.

The cybernetic path gives you increased slug range, increased ammo, and a bunch of other insanely good skills.. Id recommend it.

[zewone]

You can repair armor online. You just have to go to the center of the armor store and press A.

[Ice2Dragon]

You can repair armor online. You just have to go to the center of the armor store and press A.

Theres only a weapon store, no armor store..

Where exactly is this "armor Store" online?

[zewone]

There is an armor store.

It's directly opposite of the weapon store.

It has a crutch and syringe logo.

[aDeadlyShaDoW]

http://www.toysrus.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=too%20human&origkw=too%20human&f=Taxonomy/TRUS/2254197&sr=1
what's the difference?

[KingBroly]

http://www.toysrus.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=too%20human&origkw=too%20human&f=Taxonomy/TRUS/2254197&sr=1
what's the difference?

One was made by an idiot. Speaking of sales...I don't know how good this thing is doing, especially when 3 of my local Wal-Marts (2 of which are Supercenters) don't have tags for them on shelves.

[Ice2Dragon]

There is an armor store.

It's directly opposite of the weapon store.

It has a crutch and syringe logo.

Lmao. Thanks, never found it before.

Level 50

Armor - 2088 total

Weapons - 2200 per hit some weird sword

Cannon - 400 per hit of a slug

Insane weapons you can get once you hit level 50..

Sadly 50 is as high as you can go. which is stupid.

[Callandor]

Beat this last night. About 12 hours, level 29. Garm is a cheap bitch. :bomb: I didn't really see the lack of story that a lot of reviews were complaining about. There really was a nice progression of characters and events that built up to all the craziness. And the final shot of Loki and the Giant!!! has me utterly hyped for part two.

Also, I think some of the achievements are buggy. There are secret ones for clearing each level without dying. I just managed that on a post-game playthrough of hall of heroes, and I didn't get the achievement... :cry:

Anyway, I'm up for coop now pretty much any night or weekend (generally not too late, as I now work at 8am every weekday). I've only got a lvl 30 Berzerker so far, but I'd like to play around with the other classes. So if anyone wanted to do coop for new characters, I'd be up for that. Or existing characters.

Just send a friend request if you're interested.

[sendme]

To get the one for not dying you have to beat the level and not stop. So you can't save it or just shut the system down.

[seanr1221]

I beat it too (cybernetic zerker).

Really fun game and I can't wait to go through it again in co-op.

[Tha Xecutioner]

After ~50 hours with this game, I have:

Level 50 Berserker (Human)
Level 16 Commando (Cybernetic)
Level 34 Defender (Cybernetic)
Level 15 Champion (Cybernetic)

I'd have to say the Defender has been my favorite so far, with the Commando a very close second. I noticed today when I got an elite helmet for my Defender that it looked the same as the one on the character select screen - so maybe those armor sets displayed on the character select screen are indeed that class' elite set?

[seanr1221]

Which class did you use to beat the levels without dying?

[Zoglog]

hmmm my brother said he tried to pick up this game this morning at BB and it was sold out. who wouldve thought eh?

[Mojimbo]

How does leveling with characters that differ greatly in levels work? When I started playing with Music in coop I had played for around an hour and a half to two hours solo and had gotten to level 10 already and he was a 1 and by the time I hit level 12 he was level 10, I think. This would be useful for speeding up the jack of all trades achievement.

Also, I beat the game without ever noticing the secondary, cybernetic/human skill tree. :dunce:

Luckily you can reassign points for a small fee.

[Tha Xecutioner]

Which class did you use to beat the levels without dying?I beat most of Ice Forest by myself with the Champion (but saved and quit - which looks like I won't get the achievement now), but I would advise doing Co-Op and at least one person being the BioEngineer and max out those heal abilities. I'd say the Defender or Champion is a solid choice for those level achievements. The Commando and Berserker are good, but the low HP on both suck when you get to Hellheim.

[seanr1221]

There's a cybernetic/human tree? :dunce:

[Mojimbo]

On the regular skill tree menu press left or right trigger. :dunce:

[seanr1221]

WOW I feel stupid. Thanks.

[Ice2Dragon]

I beat most of Ice Forest by myself with the Champion (but saved and quit - which looks like I won't get the achievement now), but I would advise doing Co-Op and at least one person being the BioEngineer and max out those heal abilities. I'd say the Defender or Champion is a solid choice for those level achievements. The Commando and Berserker are good, but the low HP on both suck when you get to Hellheim.

Commando can end up with more defense/armor/skill path if used properly... :)

[sendme]

I beat most of Ice Forest by myself with the Champion (but saved and quit - which looks like I won't get the achievement now), but I would advise doing Co-Op and at least one person being the BioEngineer and max out those heal abilities. I'd say the Defender or Champion is a solid choice for those level achievements. The Commando and Berserker are good, but the low HP on both suck when you get to Hellheim.

Only thing is at max the one heal that you start with only does .8% regen. Not sure about the others. From what I got from the guid is that the healing is not as great as you would think I just started one and I'm only at around level 3. I should be on some time the next 3 days if people want to play. gamer tag is shazo.

[zewone]

Bio Engineer's many healing abilities (battle cry, spider, regeneration) are all very effective, especially for the Unstoppable achievement.

That's why I have all of them. 8-)

[seanr1221]

Did you go human or cyborg for your bio-engineer, zew?

[Poor2More]

On the regular skill tree menu press left or right trigger. :dunce:

wow, Im level 34 and I did noit know that, thanks

[zewone]

Did you go human or cyborg for your bio-engineer, zew?

Cyborg of course.

The more to the left of the character select screen the class is, you should choose Human.

The more to the right, you should choose Cyborg.

[seanr1221]

Wish I had known that before making my zerker a cyborg 8-)

[Callandor]

To get the one for not dying you have to beat the level and not stop. So you can't save it or just shut the system down.

Started at the beginning, didn't leave, didn't save and quit, didn't stop. :cry:

Oh well. I'll get 'em eventually.

[Mojimbo]

Did you use the warp/teleport to feature to jump to 1-1 or whatever or did you do it through the natural story progression?

[FriskyTanuki]

Now im not sure but i know you put completed lvl one charms into lvl two charms but i havent completed a level three one yet so im not sure what to do after that.

Here is what it says on mycheats: Runes & Charms: These small items can be attached to your character for small, extra boosts in strength. Charms are more situational upgrades that have little miniature quests/achievements attached. Fill the quest's requirements (usually killing a certain number of enemies a certain way) and you can get the Charm's bonus, which is usually a reward of equipment. Later, you'll pick up Charms of a higher level that will usually need a few weaker Charms to fully grow. It's best to equip Charms ASAP and work towards building them up early and often. Runes are inserted in equipment with empty Rune slots (they will say as much in their stats). The equipment is labeled with funny names, but those names are from their inherent Runes. Collecting unattached Runes like "Blight," "Plasma," "The Maiden," and so on will add small boosts in their associated stats, such as increased armor strength from "The Maiden." If you find yourself relying on a certain weapon or piece of armor that just happens to have a Rune slot, it won't hurt to slot in an extra Rune. Runes can also affect the items' colors when attached, further customizing your character's look.
Thanks. I read a bit more of the MyCheats guide and it doesn't really explain much about the armor or weapon you're supposed to get from completed charms, so I can't tell which ones it gave me.

[Mojimbo]

Dang, I thought charms only rewarded you with a combat modifier type thing.

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/mojimbo_xl/misc/toohuman_comm.jpg

Level 40ish Commando.

I need some better pants/boots and a chest piece that doesn't look like garbage. I like the Mega Man gauntlets.

[Callandor]

Did you use the warp/teleport to feature to jump to 1-1 or whatever or did you do it through the natural story progression?

Jumped to 1-1. So it has to be natural story progression?

[Mojimbo]

I'm not 100% on it, but I read speculation about that being the case, at least for single player.

[Tha Xecutioner]

Bio Engineer's many healing abilities (battle cry, spider, regeneration) are all very effective Xecutioner is the best Co-Op partner to have on this game, especially for the Unstoppable achievement.

That's why I have all of them. 8-)8-)

[zewone]

I would have died without my healing abilities.

[Mrcapcom]

Im not sure if the elite armor is a blueprint you need to construct, or its just random armor found.

Im only level 32.. Ill find out once I hit level 50.. people on gfaqs have been saying that the armor pops up around 40.

I assume you can trade armor weapons etc right?

btw this game is hot i dunno what all the hub bub is about it being so bad its crack I been playing alot just got my beserk cyb to 30 achivements been poping like crazy

[Ice2Dragon]

Wish I had known that before making my zerker a cyborg 8-)

Actually human gives you more combos I think doesnt it? So its better for berserkers to go Human rather than Cyborg. Cyborg just gives more health and the ability to use cannons, which berserkers suck with anyways lol

[Mrcapcom]

Actually human gives you more combos I think doesnt it? So its better for berserkers to go Human rather than Cyborg. Cyborg just gives more health and the ability to use cannons, which berserkers suck with anyways lol

thanks for pissing in my cheerios!

Whats the best class ? I think im gonna make a champion next or maybe the defender (heals right?) for when I go thru on Human for the achivement.

Imma be online send me a friend request if u wanna play

[sendme]

So cyborg is the best for the healer?

[Tha Xecutioner]

So cyborg is the best for the healer?Correct.

[sendme]

Just got to level 9 with my bio-engineer and picked cyborg. Don't know why but out of the 3 that I have played to atleast level 10 all seem the same. Not much really seems different from one to one other then the bio-engineer with the healing. Think I'm going to play all to level 10 and get my champion to level 50 seeing how it is at 26 already and get what achievements I can and then as of now I might go with the bio-engineer.

I got online and started to play but the other player was a level 36 when I'm at level 2 and all they did was run around the city. We never even got on the ship to go to the level. I ended up just exiting and playing solo. So if anyone wants to add me to their friends list and group some time I would like that. GT is shazo.

[zewone]

You don't get on a ship to go to a level in co-op.

You go to one of the terminals in the city.

[Poor2More]

I just beat the game at lvl 38 Champion, man this game is awesome, and will be running through it again as a zerker..

Anybody want the special Per-order armor? I have an extra code, first one to PM me get its

EDIT: Pre-order armor went to SilverSC01

[Callandor]

sendme: I sent you a request.

Started a cybernetic defender. Dear god, defenders own. :D

[Tha Xecutioner]

Dear god, defenders own. :DTruth.

I'm finally near the end of the single player campaign (all my playing has been on Co-Op, really) and I'm enjoying the story/cinematics/cutscenes for the most part. Hopefully I get that damn well achievement on this playthrough, since you can't get them aside from single player.

[Callandor]

Truth.

I'm finally near the end of the single player campaign (all my playing has been on Co-Op, really) and I'm enjoying the story/cinematics/cutscenes for the most part. Hopefully I get that damn well achievement on this playthrough, since you can't get them aside from single player.

One thing to note is that there are wells within the Great Tree in Aesir. The only ones I believe I forget to activate with my Berzerker were the last two (after the Serpent and after Helheim, but before you go to the feasting hall for the last cinematic) and I didn't get the well achievement, so those probably count. Or I missed some in a stage.

I'll finish my Defender campaign eventually, so no rush.

[SoulReaver]

So whats everyone's opinion? Whats the game worth, price-wise?

[Poor2More]

So whats everyone's opinion? Whats the game worth, price-wise?

ohhh yes, this game rocks, I was worried after the reviews, but I gave it a try and boy its great, I put in in 22 hours in 2 days

[UnderHero5]

So whats everyone's opinion? Whats the game worth, price-wise?
There aren't many games that I feel are worth $60. That said, I have put in ~38 hours since Wednesday. I feel this game was totally worth my $60.

[Mechafenris]

So whats everyone's opinion? Whats the game worth, price-wise?

I'm certainly getting my money's worth. I've put in less time than others in the thread so far (I'm only level 14), but I'm having a blast... and the settings, atmosphere and Viking mythology are just plain cool.

The reviewers were overly harsh, I think... it's not perfect, but no game is. :)

[a_bleak_tomorrow]

Yeah totaly worth the 60 bucks ive put about 22 hours in it and my co op buddy has put about 36 hours so no doubt this game is worth it.

[Ice2Dragon]

One thing to note is that there are wells within the Great Tree in Aesir. The only ones I believe I forget to activate with my Berzerker were the last two (after the Serpent and after Helheim, but before you go to the feasting hall for the last cinematic) and I didn't get the well achievement, so those probably count. Or I missed some in a stage.

I'll finish my Defender campaign eventually, so no rush.

No u dont need to play single player to get the well ach.

Theres 18 in all.. the ones in world tree dont count -_-V

[Tha Xecutioner]

No u dont need to play single player to get the well ach.

Theres 18 in all.. the ones in world tree dont count -_-V
Oh well, either way I got done with the story and got the well achievement.

I was also able to get my level 50 Berserker's Attack Damage up to 2888 and his Total Armor to 2056 8-)

[Mrcapcom]

Whats the best Human Char? I need to get my human achivement. I went with a cyborg beserker hes so fun ^_^

[sendme]

sendme: I sent you a request.

Started a cybernetic defender. Dear god, defenders own. :D

I got your request. I should be on sometime later today. I still want to get the online achievement so maybe we can work on that one when whe are playing. Every time I try to get it online the other player isn't really helping much. They tend to just kill the troll by shooting it.

[Mrcapcom]

I never get my questions answered :-( can u guys see me lol

[Callandor]

I got your request. I should be on sometime later today. I still want to get the online achievement so maybe we can work on that one when whe are playing. Every time I try to get it online the other player isn't really helping much. They tend to just kill the troll by shooting it.

I'll try to hop on sometime after 5pm central today, after I get home from work.

World Serpent with my berzerker, perhaps? Or Hall of Heroes with my Defender? Don't really feel like Ice Forest or Helheim right now.

I never get my questions answered :-( can u guys see me lol

Don't know what the best human character is, but a human berzerker is quite fun. A little lacking in defense, yeah, but the attack speed as the combo meter goes up is insane. Just don't get surrounded by a mob and have a good rifle/fierce attacks for polarity bastards and you should be fine.

[Mrcapcom]

Can u respec your alignment? or just ur skills?

[a_bleak_tomorrow]

So what are your guys favorite level? I just ran through hall of heroes and ice forest for the fourth time on co op and the ice forest gets funner ever time i play it. When i played it on single player the first time through it was horrendously long. Id say hall of heroes is my favorite though.

[rodeojones903]

Anyone who wants to play send me a friend request too. :D

None of my friends on my list are playing this, but so far I am loving the game.

[whiptcracker]

So whats everyone's opinion? Whats the game worth, price-wise?

$20-$30 price range.

I'm enjoying the game, but it has some significant problems. There's a lot of potential here though so I'm hoping that many of this game's issues will be worked out in the sequel. Even with the problems I keep returning to the game.

[Callandor]

Can u respec your alignment? or just ur skills?

Only the skill trees. Your alignment is a one-time permanent choice.

[sendme]

I have played the first 10 levels of every class and have to say the berzerker really fun to play. I think I might also end up likeing the Bio Engineer and Defender. The Commando and Champion both felt like I was playing the same thing. Infact all but the Berzerker felt some what the same. The Berzerker just felt faster. However the Commando and Champion felt more so then the others felt some what different but not much. Anyway what classes would be better for cyborg and human? Someone said Cyborg for Bio Engineer already. I would think Cyborg would also fit the Commando. Human seeing how the Berzerker is more combo based would fit it. What about Defender and Champion?

[Tha Xecutioner]

I have played the first 10 levels of every class and have to say the berzerker really fun to play. I think I might also end up likeing the Bio Engineer and Defender. The Commando and Champion both felt like I was playing the same thing. Infact all but the Berzerker felt some what the same. The Berzerker just felt faster. However the Commando and Champion felt more so then the others felt some what different but not much. Anyway what classes would be better for cyborg and human? Someone said Cyborg for Bio Engineer already. I would think Cyborg would also fit the Commando. Human seeing how the Berzerker is more combo based would fit it. What about Defender and Champion?I would go Cybernetic for every class except Berserker. You can honestly play him as either alignment, but most prefer the extra combo meters and speed/damage that you can tweak Berserkers with.

These Level 3 Charms are going to be a pain in the ass to complete (for the achievement and because the "+1 All Skills" bonus sounds fantastic). I have four of them so far, and I have to either kill 4000 Goblins, 120 Trolls, 80 Leaders, or 7000 Enemies with a gun :bomb:

[Callandor]

80 leaders would be reasonable if you're going after epic drops. :D

[Mrcapcom]

I would go Cybernetic for every class except Berserker. You can honestly play him as either alignment, but most prefer the extra combo meters and speed/damage that you can tweak Berserkers with.

These Level 3 Charms are going to be a pain in the ass to complete (for the achievement and because the "+1 All Skills" bonus sounds fantastic). I have four of them so far, and I have to either kill 4000 Goblins, 120 Trolls, 80 Leaders, or 7000 Enemies with a gun :bomb:

I like my cybernetic beseker :booty: im gonna make a human bio or human defender I don't wanna die anymore lol

[sendme]

Well seeing how I liked playing the Berzerker more I'm going to remake it as Human and make a Bio as a Cyborg. I'm only going to keep my champion to get to 50 with unless I get the other two there first.

[Callandor]

Rodeojones: you've got a friend request. :D

Think I'll get my 'zerker up to 50 this weekend...

[typeRJ]

Do I have a long road ahead of me as a Human Champion? After the Hall of Heroes, I'm lvl 10, Dragon armor minus the vest/chestplate, plasma pistol attack 6, staff attack 46 w/ various runes and charms to boost my attack power.

I went into the Ice Forest and got my ass handed to me in just the first 10 min. I probably died 4 times in that time period. My defense seems to really suck. Should I go back to the Hall of Heroes? Is there even a way to do that?

[Ice2Dragon]

Do I have a long road ahead of me as a Human Champion? After the Hall of Heroes, I'm lvl 10, Dragon armor minus the vest/chestplate, plasma pistol attack 6, staff attack 46 w/ various runes and charms to boost my attack power.

I went into the Ice Forest and got my ass handed to me in just the first 10 min. I probably died 4 times in that time period. My defense seems to really suck. Should I go back to the Hall of Heroes? Is there even a way to do that?

The monsters are the same level you are, or a little above. Leveling up only makes the ice forest worse.. trust me -_-V

Single player the ice forest is insane.. theres the giant spiders and elves at the start..

CO op theres no spiders, and the elves only appear in section 4.. not section 1 lol.

[sendme]

I still can not get the Trial of Ascendance achievement. It says Complete a level 1 charm and I do the charm quest and put the symbols that look like a F H and I in my armor and nothing.

[DJSteel]

is anyone else game freezing up??

[Logg]

I just rented this game, tonight. Played though the Hall of Heroes, pretty fun game.

[sendme]

Didn't know I had to put the ruins in the charm. The stuff I read said armor. Also DJSteel I'm starting to see some slow down in the game. I would just say it is due to lag however I'm in single player when I see it. At first it would be some what slow when I had a lot on screen but now it is just randomley.

EDIT: I'm also starting to really like the Bio Engineer class. The skill that makes it so your enemies attack eachother works more then I thought it would and I only have 5 points into it. It is funny to see people online keep trying to kill them if they are working for you becaue they don't die. Now if only they would do more then just stand there. Some times they attack the group others just stand in the way.

[blitz6speed]

I have to post this as i just finished a 12.5 hour run through Too Human.

I followed the game on neogaf and bought into the hype it would suck. I tried the demo and i hated it at first, but then by the end of the demo when i had more weapons and items, it got kinda fun. I got the game last night and decided to give it a shot. I put the controller down 12.5 hours later, went through the entire thing in one strait shot and got 590 of the 1000 achievements with a single run through.

I really loved it, the graphics reminded me of Resistance so many times since it has a large scope for the levels, and although the story was ridiculous at first, it got better as it went on, and the voice acting was fantastic. Ive never played a loot game before but this one was really fun. Sometimes the graphics were just outright amazing, sometimes it looked really bad (like n64 textures).

Its more good then bad tho. Glad i gave it a shot and i recommend it to anyone who actually liked the demo, its just more of the same and way funner. It is repetitious but i never once felt like it got old, i also should note that it is only 4 levels long, but 4 super long levels. They better make a sequel, i loved how they ended the game.

[62t]

Quick impression after playing for 90mins

+ graphic is amazning. A lot better than Mass Effect.
+Story is interesting so far.

-So far I been doing the same thing over and over. A bit repeative.
-the dying animation took too long
-Control isnt as bad as I thought, and I hated the PS2 games that uses the right stiick to attack. Would prefer the tranditional control.
-The camera is just bad.

[Mechafenris]

is anyone else game freezing up??

I had some lockups that appeared to be Too Human, but then it happened to me on dashboard and playing Bankshot Billiards, so I scoured the forums for some info (since I didn't get a Red Ring on the lockup and it was particularly annoying, because it was happening right when the system would be up for 4 or 5 minutes). My experience was the game would lock up in the Aesir teleport menu, sometimes in the equipment menu (1 lockup each), but usually played fine otherwise.

I came across a "fix" for the hard drive's possible corruption as a culprit in lockups. Go to the memory section of the dashboard, select the drive, (get into the "rename/format" section, IIRC) and hit the following sequence on the controller:

Y (to select the drive), X, X, LB, RB, X

It should bring up a question on the blade "Do you want to perform system maintenance?" (or words to that effect). Say yes and it'll gronk for a few minutes. But after that, I've not had a single lockup in almost a week on my Elite. (Which I attributed to possibly being destined for RRoD.)

YMMV, but it's worth a shot. Joystiq says it clears out all software updates, but I didn't experience that at all. Just a cache flush. :)

[Ice2Dragon]

I still can not get the Trial of Ascendance achievement. It says Complete a level 1 charm and I do the charm quest and put the symbols that look like a F H and I in my armor and nothing.

You have to complete the quest and put the runes INTO THE CHARM, not the armor itself -_-V

You do that once for the ach, then 19 more times.

Have fun.. took me a while. Doing the RED CHARMS LEVEL 3 is much worse lol.. then again.. I have two level 3 red charms completed..

Drain health whenever I attack + Absorb damage whenever Im hit = unstoppable commando ^_^

[Lost_In_Shadows]

I played the demo, and thought it was decent. Going by the demo is the actual game better? I was thinking about renting it.

[whiptcracker]

I played the demo, and thought it was decent. Going by the demo is the actual game better? I was thinking about renting it.

Others might disagree, but imo, it gets only worse. I loved the demo. I like the controls, have no problem with the camera, and if you know about Norse mythology the story is pretty cool.

But the game balance sucks. Once you start leveling up enemies will scale and then you'll get enemies who attack with status effects, some of these effects cause damage over time and since health is a random drop it leads to a lot of unnessicary deaths and watching the unskippable death animation. There is at least one boss battle towards the end that is just awful. Expect to die a lot from frustrating situations, and having to sit through the animation.

My favorite part of the game was the first level, which is 25% of the game and in the demo. After that it just goes downhill.

[Callandor]

OMG, I just picked up three epic charms, all from the obelisks blocked by Nidhogg patches in cyberspace.

Hell, two of them have fairly easy quests (15 secret areas, and 50 mounting kills on trolls). And I nearly have the tier 2 charms finished for one of them! :D The third is kill 120 trolls; I'll probably trade that one away.

As a note, I had +15% loot at the time.

[Mrcapcom]

im online playing if anyone wants to team up ^_^

[genfuyung]

Hey guys, I need 2 completed charms to finish up a level 3 charm before I have to return the game. 1 is a level one and 1 is a level 2. Ive finished both of these on my own a few times but keep putting them into the wrong things and have lost my patience. The two I need are a completed up arrow and a completed level two weird diagonal S thing. For gods sake some help.

[sendme]

I still have yet to have a level 3 charm drop however I'm only level 41 so that might be it. The rooms that have the red egg shape above the door can you go in them? Also anyone else missing some of the videos when you go to the cinema? I'm missing 2 and don't know from where.

[DJSteel]

I just took my second copy back to Gamestop to get another copy because of the damn freezing. Hopefully that is all over with.. I might have to delete my game files and restart.

[sendme]

I'm guessing it is just a bug in the game. Mine slows down alot in the later levels and at times the controller does not even work in game. I can press the guid button and that is it. It even does it with fully charged batteries. If this game had more to do for multiplayer and got better reviews then it did I would expect to see a patch soon to fix all this. However as of now I don't. If they were to add a few more levels and make them for a 4 player co-op this game would be great.

Also I almost beat level 2 with out dieing. I had only one death with my BE and had the last attack actually done damage I would have not died. I was pissed. The BE seems to really get better the closer to 50 I get. I'm wondering now how good it will be if I ever get a full set of the level 50 cyborg gear for it.

[Callandor]

I still have yet to have a level 3 charm drop however I'm only level 41 so that might be it. The rooms that have the red egg shape above the door can you go in them? Also anyone else missing some of the videos when you go to the cinema? I'm missing 2 and don't know from where.

Max out your +loot drop and try the obelisks closed off by Nidhogg patches. It worked for me thrice in an hour.

Also got my first elite piece (helm) for my defender off Grendel. Only 6 more to go! :D

[DJSteel]

game froze on me twice.. I love the game.. but until I can play the game without it freezing on me.. it might just be used as trade fodder... it's probably the game (not the physical disk, but the game) not my system.. I've played 2 hours of castle crashers between the freeze ups..

[sendme]

I really don't want to max out my loot drop because then most or all of my gear would be shit. I guess i could have gear just for that and when I get to one change it then just change it back. I'm at 1500-1900 total armor on my BE and dont want to lower that unless I have to.

[Callandor]

Well, I now have FOUR epic charms. Completed the first one (+1 all skills and randomly, but fairly often, drops puddles of poison when I get hit; great for a defender! :D), working on the second (50 Mounted Troll Kills, has +1 all skills and randomly make enemies vulnerable to critical strikes when they're hit), and now have two to give/trade away!

The quests on the two I don't want are Kill 120 Trolls and Collect 400 Blueprints (this one also has the poison puddles). If anyone wants one, I'm looking for a couple of tier 1 and 2 charms, don't care if they're complete or not.

[Mechafenris]

game froze on me twice.. I love the game.. but until I can play the game without it freezing on me.. it might just be used as trade fodder... it's probably the game (not the physical disk, but the game) not my system.. I've played 2 hours of castle crashers between the freeze ups..

that doesn't sound good. Mine started freezing on me a week before it died... Too Human was the big game I was playing, but I could seemingly get in more time on an XBLA game (I don't remember it freezing up on those until right before death.)

So, I'd be wary of freezes. My new replacement is playing Too Human fine and dandy... not a lockup in almost 12 hours of gameplay (according to the clock on my defender's character sheet. 82% done and I'm getting my TUSH handed to me in Helheim. There are TOO many of those bloated, fat guys on hovercrafts resurrecting everything... EEESH my death count must be 180 by now... AAAGH.)

Anyway... just something to look out for... (I had a Zephyr Elite... the old 203 watt with the new heatsink too... not a falcon like my new arcade system.)

[Ice2Dragon]

If anyone has any Commando Cybernetic elite armor (Not the helmet, weapon, or vest) feel free to pm ME, i need the other 4 elite armors..

I have 5 level 3 (the red ones for the ach) charms.. they range from lightning to poison to knock down in terms of what they do

Or I have elite weapons for every class (not specific).

Or im willing to pay 2 million a piece for the armor.

[Ice2Dragon]

1ked.. epic armor sucks to find. Seriously.

And absolutely no one I could find had the epic commando cybernetic armor.

But I do now :) WOOT!

[Mojimbo]

How many hours total did it take you to 1000/1000 it?

[Ice2Dragon]

How many hours total did it take you to 1000/1000 it?

70 something.

60 ish for 995/100, the other 10 was spent trying to find the epic armor.

The loot drop perecentage bonus doesnt improve epic armor, just loot in general, which blows.

I found the most dropped red items were in level 1-3, the well before the boss, theres 4 nodes there that dropped almost everytime either a red charm, rune, or epic piece.

I couldnt find any cybernetic commandos that wanted to try, I found one but he had what I already had.

If you find someone who has what you need its a lot easier -_-V

[GuruuShah]

CheapyD totally bash the game in the recently CAGcast.... and i still love this game.

[Mrcapcom]

I'm still trying to get the epic armor so far I have this epic (its red) helmet for my defender but its nothing like the armor from the char select screen =( and I have a weapon the hammer with a shield that has wings I have two if someone wants to trade.

[Callandor]

I've got the sword (found at store), helm (dropped from Grendel) and boots (dropped from Hel) for my cybernetic defender so far, and I've finished two epic charms.

Any bioengineers want an epic rune that maxes out the +10% regeneration by itself? Let me know.

I'm still trying to get the epic armor so far I have this epic (its red) helmet for my defender but its nothing like the armor from the char select screen =( and I have a weapon the hammer with a shield that has wings I have two if someone wants to trade.

You a human defender? My cybernetic stuff looks just like the character select screen armor so far.

[Mrcapcom]

ah maybe thats why im a human defender

[Mrcapcom]

once I get my 1000 ill probally stop playing if anyone can help me get my empic armor just for the achivement let me know so I can get the points for that.

Whats the best class to go after the unstoppable achievements for?

[GuruuShah]

once I get my 1000 ill probally stop playing if anyone can help me get my empic armor just for the achivement let me know so I can get the points for that.

Whats the best class to go after the unstoppable achievements for?

I used the defender cyber and got the unstoppable achievement for hall of heroes

[Mrcapcom]

lol yea i used my human defender to get the unstoppable for hall of heroes as well. im thinking of going commando level him up fast in mp then do the campaign being long ranged u would think he would be better right?

whats the best alignment for commando human or cyb?

[Ice2Dragon]

lol yea i used my human defender to get the unstoppable for hall of heroes as well. im thinking of going commando level him up fast in mp then do the campaign being long ranged u would think he would be better right?

whats the best alignment for commando human or cyb?

Cybernetic. My commando was able to solo in co op both level 2/3/4. It was a joke lol.

All you need is your armor to around 2200 and find yourself a plasma weapon.. its easy after that. Just really boring.

Partner up with a defender or a berserker to take care of the polarity trolls and its fairly simple.

[Mrcapcom]

I take it its the Plasma Cannon right? Which way for alignment? <--- I mean like in the tree which side or rather which powers to take

[Mrcapcom]

Ok so now I have 3 Epic Armor pieces Hammer/Shield Helmet and Breastplate just need Shoulders,Leggings,Shoes,Gloves let me know if anyone have epic armor for a Human/Defender thnx in advance

[Ice2Dragon]

I take it its the Plasma Cannon right? Which way for alignment? <--- I mean like in the tree which side or rather which powers to take


no cybernetic commandos epic weapon is a plasma rifle. You go right side of the tree, then left side of the second tree.

[Mrcapcom]

ok cool thats what I did my commando is like lvl 20 almost and he rocks plasma drops bosses so good. Anyone got a epic plasma rifle I can buy/have ^_^

[sendme]

I've got the sword (found at store), helm (dropped from Grendel) and boots (dropped from Hel) for my cybernetic defender so far, and I've finished two epic charms.

Any bioengineers want an epic rune that maxes out the +10% regeneration by itself? Let me know.



You a human defender? My cybernetic stuff looks just like the character select screen armor so far.

I have a bioengineer that I would like that for. I'm still hoping for a level 3 charm to drop and that it is one that works for a bioengineer adding to healing or something.

[Callandor]

I have a bioengineer that I would like that for. I'm still hoping for a level 3 charm to drop and that it is one that works for a bioengineer adding to healing or something.

All right, send me a message next time you see me on Live and I'll give it to you.

[sendme]

Will do, your on my friends list so I should see you. Maybe we can run through some of the game also. Anyway thanks for the rune I should be back on some time in the next few days maybe even later tonight.

[Ice2Dragon]

ok cool thats what I did my commando is like lvl 20 almost and he rocks plasma drops bosses so good. Anyone got a epic plasma rifle I can buy/have ^_^

Go to the toohuman.net forums or gamefaqs or xbox and try posting and trading with someone.

The epic plasma rifle is awesome, but I never found anyone who had one when I was searching for it. I think I found mine from hod, but then again, YMMV @_@

[TC]

Did this end up selling well enough for the sequels to get made?

[eastx]

Will do, your on my friends list so I should see you. Maybe we can run through some of the game also. Anyway thanks for the rune I should be back on some time in the next few days maybe even later tonight.

'Your' actually means "belongs to you". However, 'you're' is short for "you are".

[Ice2Dragon]

Did this end up selling well enough for the sequels to get made?

Probably not, a measly 140k in the americas, I doubt it will ever make it to platinum hits :(

[sendme]

'Your' actually means "belongs to you". However, 'you're' is short for "you are".

It is a message forum I don't think I need to be 100% accurate on my spelling or gramer. If I was trying to get a point accross chances are I would have spell checked however I was not. Your post and even this one is pointless.

[Zowsky]

Just curious how does the online in this compare to a game like Phantasy Star Online? Is the Online co-op good, and is the drops completly random or do certain guys drop different items

[sendme]

You can set the drops up 3 or 4 different ways when you create the game. The mobs are around the level of the highest person playing or the level of the person that made the game online I'm not sure what one. Loot drops are not that great seeing how when I play 90% of the time I end up getting Human only gear if I'm playing as a Cyborg or Cyborg only gear if playing as a Human. Still a fun game to play online as long as you get someone that does not lag or kick you out. Most the time I run into people I think just looking for high end gear and get kicked from the game with in a short amount of time after I log into it.

[mike.m]

You can set the drops up 3 or 4 different ways when you create the game. The mobs are around the level of the highest person playing or the level of the person that made the game online I'm not sure what one. Loot drops are not that great seeing how when I play 90% of the time I end up getting Human only gear if I'm playing as a Cyborg or Cyborg only gear if playing as a Human. Still a fun game to play online as long as you get someone that does not lag or kick you out. Most the time I run into people I think just looking for high end gear and get kicked from the game with in a short amount of time after I log into it.

Does it just match you up with whoever, or will it try to find someone in your level range? I want to play online but I'm wondering if I should finish the game first so that I'll be higher level. I'm currently about to go into act 3.

[Ice2Dragon]

Does it just match you up with whoever, or will it try to find someone in your level range? I want to play online but I'm wondering if I should finish the game first so that I'll be higher level. I'm currently about to go into act 3.

You can host your own game and boot people that are too high or too low level wise.

[sendme]

I usually just set my own game up and if someone to low comes in that is on them if they get killed alot. You can also let it just put you in a game but I can't remember if you are say a level 2 if it will put you in a game that someone else is a level 30 or so or not. I want to say that it some times will. You can also search for games and just pick the one you want. If I don't make my own that is what i do.

EDIT: Also you being on act 3 has nothing to do with online. You pick the level you want and when you go back to single player you will pick up where you left off before the multiplayer.

[Ruined]

Hey, I have a lvl34 Human Champion. Looking for CAGs to play with! :)

My character specializes in aeriel melee combat, but is decent with pistols if needed.

[pete5883]

Probably not, a measly 140k in the americas, I doubt it will ever make it to platinum hits :(
At first, I didn't think 140k was measly. Now I find it was 160k, and that was only 10 days. (http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2008/09/12/too-human-cracks-npd-top-10/) Which makes it even less measly.

[shieryda]

Microsoft sent me a survey to complete on this game yesterday. It was a pretty good one, asksing about what my impressions are of the camera, character classes, combat, story and weapons. Since I'm playing it co-op, I gave the story low marks just because the bastards took out the cutscenes.

[Mrcapcom]

Its better with no cutscenes shoot sometimes ill play coop and put 1 private slot so i can just breeze through the game. Its taking me forever to find my 2pid epic armor for the achivement I only got 3 pieces so far and im a human/defender ill be happy once i get the other achivements which are taking forever

Edit: game ADD doesnt help eiether

[daschrier]

Getting bored with the game.

Level 50 berzerker. Haven't found any elite items yet, and there isn't much left to do but get some of the last achievments.

[Wolfpup]

Which class would be the easiest to start out with? I can't figure it out from the descriptions. I tried playing all 5 briefly, and the bio engineer seems really, really wimpy, and the health regeneration really slow, so I guess he's out.

So...which is the simplest and easiest to start with? I'm seen some things claim bezerker, some champion, and some commando. Until I read those, I thought I'd try a defender, but no guides I've read through have recommended that class.

Any thoughts?

EDIT: I won't be playing this multiplayer as I don't have Gold, so this class would just be needed for a single player game.

And just from the intro and everything the story seems more interesting than I thought from all the terrible reviews (of course I'd EXPECT it to be good given the developer, had I not read the reviews...)

[odintal]

Which class would be the easiest to start out with? I can't figure it out from the descriptions. I tried playing all 5 briefly, and the bio engineer seems really, really wimpy, and the health regeneration really slow, so I guess he's out.

So...which is the simplest and easiest to start with? I'm seen some things claim bezerker, some champion, and some commando. Until I read those, I thought I'd try a defender, but no guides I've read through have recommended that class.

Any thoughts?

EDIT: I won't be playing this multiplayer as I don't have Gold, so this class would just be needed for a single player game.

And just from the intro and everything the story seems more interesting than I thought from all the terrible reviews (of course I'd EXPECT it to be good given the developer, had I not read the reviews...)

Berzerker and Champion do well as single player campaigns.

Also the terrible reviews kindof misled me on this game as well. I was expecting something similar to a movie tie in game but got a fun dungeon crawler. It's a flawed gem.

[Wolfpup]

Cool, I guess I'll try a bezerker, as the champion air combo stuff sounds more complex than I want to mess with.

Thanks for the help!

And so far it sure looks good (and seems to control okay) for a "bad" game. I mean this is Silicon Knights! I sure hope they don't go under. I mean I'm sad for them, but I don't care about Factor 5 or companies like that as they've never made a game I like...but Eternal Darkness alone is...just phenomenal.

[mike.m]

Cool, I guess I'll try a bezerker, as the champion air combo stuff sounds more complex than I want to mess with.

Thanks for the help!

And so far it sure looks good (and seems to control okay) for a "bad" game. I mean this is Silicon Knights! I sure hope they don't go under. I mean I'm sad for them, but I don't care about Factor 5 or companies like that as they've never made a game I like...but Eternal Darkness alone is...just phenomenal.

Air combos aren't hard at all, you'll probably be spending most of your time doing them anyway. Berzerker gets tough as you get further in because of the damage you can take.

[Wolfpup]

Hmm...so maybe I should do a Champion after all? I just want it to be easy, and hope to not have to mess with that air combat much if at all if I don't want to.

[mike.m]

Hmm...so maybe I should do a Champion after all? I just want it to be easy, and hope to not have to mess with that air combat much if at all if I don't want to.

Trust me, its easier to kill enemies if you're in the air because they won't be hitting you. Nothing really is easy in this game as you get to the later levels. They're long and hard.

[Wolfpup]

But Champion's my best bet for it to be as easy as possible? Darn...this sounds bad, as it'll probably be another game I invest a bunch of time in and then can't finish :(

(One FAQ did mention the Bezerker as best for beginners though, and another either that or the...err...one who shoots stuff, can't recall his name...one FAQ says he can dish out the most damage in the late game and most easily blow through it).

Dang, I need to get off my 'puter and go play already, but I just can't decide which class!

[Wolfpup]

AAAAAHHH!!!! I'm totally confused. Now I found another thing saying the Defender is by far the most powerful class, and that you can't die unless you do something seriously wrong. *sigh* I have no idea now.

[odintal]

i'm only into act 2 with my defender so i can't help you out much there. they don't die nearly as often as others (which keeps that ridiculous death animation away) but he's just not as much fun as the others.

always felt like i was a brick house swinging a rubber chicken.
i'm more for being the glass cannon myself but thats just my playstyle.

[mike.m]

Unless someone helps you, its a given that you'll likely die a lot from the third level or so and on. Besides, berzerkers have a skill tree that is ideal for air juggles if i remember right. Defenders are okay, I got kinda bored with it not really being an offensive powerhouse.

[Wolfpup]

I ended up taking a Commando. I don't really know why.

I've died a few times while finishing the first level. So far the game's still pretty fun, other than it doesn't always target where I want. I have no idea...I GUESS I really finished the first dungeon, but it seemed short-that's a GOOD thing to me. I mean it didn't drag on forever, but I heard like they were super long or something.

Oh, another bad thing is I guess I can miss weapon drops and stuff if I kill guys too far away and they disappear.

If nothing else, I like it a lot more so far than those spastic Raven/Marvel dungeon crawls, which get much better reviews for some reason.

[Wolfpup]

DOH! Well I'm on the second level, and getting my but kicked left and right with my Commando. Tons if not all the enemies are basically immune to my ranged attacks, and I get slaughtered in literally maybe 10-30 seconds when I go hand to hand, as I have to.

I'm either doing something really wrong, or this isn't working well with this Commando. Not sure if I want to start over with a Defender or what.

I may be reading things into the story that aren't there, but it sure seems interesting and creepy. I don't really trust what's going on, and don't really know who or what side is "good". Very intriguing...

[jkanownik]

After being turned off by the demo I'm having tons of fun with this as a rental. I've been up until 2 AM the last two nights playing (I get up at 6 AM for work). Once I got used to the controls they became very satisfying versus the gimmicky impression I got from the demo.

I don't know how long of legs it will have but I'm already at 14+ hours and show no signs of slowing up yet. I would highly recommend it as a rental or cheap purchase (like the Target clearance deals popping up).

[Wolfpup]

What class did you play, and did you have trouble after hitting the second level?

[jkanownik]

What class did you play, and did you have trouble after hitting the second level?

Human berserker. I died a lot on bosses and exploding enemies, but made quick work of everything else. I never got stuck or frustrated. The bosses were the worst for me because they force you to use guns.

[jkanownik]

Wow. The game went from fun to extremely frustrating quickly. I just knocked my Gamefly review from an 8 to a 6. It's really not any better than KUF:CoD.

[sendme]

When I last played this game it would lock up a lot does it still lock up as bad as when it first came out? I might have to log onto it and play come co op. Only issue with coop in the past was I would get kicked by people just doing it to get the extra xp.