"PS3 US $399 w/60GB HDD" - PSM

[LinkinPrime]

The latest issue of PSM has revealed new details about the PlayStation 3. While CNN’s Chris Morris claims that Sony won’t announce a price for the PS3 at E3 2006, PSM says the PlayStation 3 is expected to sell for about u$s399 in the U.S., €322 in Europe and ¥45,965 in Japan.

The magazine also claims that the console will come standard with a 60GB, non-removable hard drive.

For those who care about backward compatibility, PSM also revealed that PSO and PS2 games will run on the PlayStation 3 in 720, 1080i and 1080p.

The magazine also confirms some info we already knew. First, all games will come in Blu-ray Disc media and there won’t be regional lockouts. Second, the launch line-up, as well as the final design for the controller, will be revealed at next month’s E3 expo.
Finally, the console will launch in the first half of November with the PlayStation Network Platform service launching simultaneously with the console and offering free online gameplay (http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/10795/New-PlayStation-3-Details-Emerge/#).


http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/10795/New-PlayStation-3-Details-Emerge/

[javeryh]

:drool: Sweet.... I think I'm going to wait 6 months to a year to buy it though due to the hardware problems facing the 360. Plus, I'm buying the Revolution on day 1 so I'll have plenty to do in the meantime...

I wonder how the PS2 games will look in 1080i?

[Scorch]

I think that I'll just preorder one and pick up a bunch of PSO and PS2 games.

[guyver2077]

that would be an incredible price but somewhat doubtful

[LinkinPrime]

that would be an incredible price but somewhat doubtful

That's what Im thinking too. Why would you buy a Blu-Ray player for $500-700 when you can get a PS3 for $399 ?

[wbc1228]

$399 with 60GB HDD. That would be sweet.

[Vinny]

That's what Im thinking too. Why would you buy a Blu-Ray player for $500-700 when you can get a PS3 for $399 ?

Try $1000...

If this is true, then M$ will have a lot to worry about. And if it is true, then Sony could be on to something. They could not only destroy the HD competition, but also steal the market as people will no doubt consider the PS3 a better buy at the same price since it's more powerful and because it's a Playstation. I know they said it'd be expensive but this is probably Sony's shot to create a huge gap between themselves as leader and M$ as second place.

At the same time they're going to be losing a TON of money on each system sold... a powerful ass GPU (more powerful than a 7900GTX, which is $500), a Cell chip ($???), a Physx processor ($200), a multidisc reading drive (Blu-Ray, DVD, PS1/2, CDs... gotta be a solid $200), and a 60GB HDD ($50). This doesn't sound right...

Playing PS1 games in 1080p...:drool:

[guyver2077]

i cant see them making too much money at that price point,, but as much as i would hate to admit it... they would sell like crazy at that price...

i think a 499 price is more realistic

[CheapyD]

How can it run PS2 games at 1080p?
I thought that was basically impossible at this point.
I smell :bs:

[Vinny]

How can it run PS2 games at 1080p?
I thought that was basically impossible at this point.
I smell :bs:


Well... HD-DVD/Blu-Ray players can upscale the image of a normal DVD to 1080i or 1080p. I figure it would do it the same way for PS1/2 games... that Cell processor does have 8 cores, so it could probably do it without breaking a sweat.

[Grave_Addiction]

Wow, if this is true, I'm sold.

[VanillaGorilla]

But don't these PSOne games have to support those kinds of resolutions. I am in no way an expert on HD and p's and I's, but doesn't a game have to be developed in a certain way, in order to use that high resolution? And I, for one, would NOT start drooling over PSOne games in high resolutions, that just means you'll be able to see the muddy textures and jagged polygons better.

It's hard for me to get excited about a PS3, especially when I haven't seen ANYTHING on the system that I would consider a "want". Yeah yeah yeah, MGS4, but CG trailers don't do it for me, I need to see actual gameplay. Plus, all this Blu-Ray, Cell Processor jargon is all foreign to me, I'm happy playing my 360 on a 27 inch, mid 90's produced TV.

[evanft]

Try $1000...

If this is true, then M$ will have a lot to worry about. And if it is true, then Sony could be on to something. They could not only destroy the HD competition, but also steal the market as people will no doubt consider the PS3 a better buy at the same price since it's more powerful and because it's a Playstation. I know they said it'd be expensive but this is probably Sony's shot to create a huge gap between themselves as leader and M$ as second place.

At the same time they're going to be losing a TON of money on each system sold... a powerful ass GPU (more powerful than a 7900GTX, which is $500), a Cell chip ($???), a Physx processor ($200), a multidisc reading drive (Blu-Ray, DVD, PS1/2, CDs... gotta be a solid $200), and a 60GB HDD ($50). This doesn't sound right...

Playing PS1 games in 1080p...:drool:


There is no physx processor in the PS3. And where in the hell did you get those numbers? Those look closer to retail than wholesale.

[Staind204]

Well if this is true I'm going to be kicking myself for buying the 360 for the same price. I've had all sorts of trouble with the 360. I still wouldnt buy the PS3 when it first came out, Im sure itll be just as buggy as the 360.

[javeryh]

There is no physx processor in the PS3.

I think he meant flux capacitor.

[CappyCobra]

There is no physx processor in the PS3. And where in the hell did you get those numbers? Those look closer to retail than wholesale.
physx processors = BS processor :lol:

Looks like the hype machine is starting up already. I'll believe it when it's on the shelf to buy.

[doubledown]

I don't buy it....they would be losing almost $400 per console...if numbers floating around are correct.

Also, 1080p is still over-rated right now....don't MOST TV's just upconvert to 1080p, I was reading something about this...

I will still pre-order one if GR is around, since I have about $350 in credit.

[wubb]

I'm not getting too excited until the price is announced in a Sony press release.

[terribledeli]

I'm not getting too excited until the price is announced in a Sony press release.

ditto

[MillerTime2523]

I don't buy it....they would be losing almost $400 per console...if numbers floating around are correct.
I dont think that that number is exactly correct. I read about that in i think last months EGM/PSM (Cant remember). Think about all the other stuff Sony will have out on the market. Blu-Ray players themselvs (though not sure how they will sell), The Blu-Ray movies published by sony, the PS3 Games developed by sony. I read that they arent concerned about taking a major loss considering these factors.

Anyway, im reading the PSM article on the PS3 right now.

[jer7583]

I'll pick one up cheap from a wannabe white drug dealer like i did with the ps2.. j/k

I'll get a PS3 when they release a FFVII remake and it drops to $200-250, just because of the high res backwards compatability. And by then they'll have ironed out the inevitable overheating issues.. there's no way that machine can be as small as the prototypes from last E3..

[spoo]

If the PS3 is more then $399 Sony needs to speak up otherwise Sony will have many pissed off customers when they reveal a $499 or $599 PS3 a few months before release.

[crazytalkx]

I think he meant flux capacitor.

:rofl:

Ahh I'm not getting my hopes up until I see it straight outta the horse's mouth.

[FriskyTanuki]

I look forward to May 8, though the damn conference starts a half hour before my second class of the new semester starts. #-o Rumors suck, but I wouldn't be surprised by a $400 PS3. I hope Nintendo and Sony actually release concrete release info in two weeks so we're not wondering about the spcifics of the launch with fall on our doorstep.

[MillerTime2523]

Rumors suck, but I wouldn't be surprised by a $400 PS3.
Agreed. Like I said before, Sony can make up the money that they lose so many other ways. Im pullin for a $400 PS3 too. Theres no way im gonna scrape more cash than that together before launch. :bomb:

[Sarang01]

Agreed. Like I said before, Sony can make up the money that they lose so many other ways. Im pullin for a $400 PS3 too. Theres no way im gonna scrape more cash than that together before launch. :bomb:

I just hope I'm able to bag one from Costco. Knowing Sony I will NOT be taking any chances here and will take the free 2 year warranty.

[graf1k]

How can it run PS2 games at 1080p?
I thought that was basically impossible at this point.
I smell :bs:

My guess is that its the same principal as upscaling a DVD from 480i/p to 1080i. In other words, it ain't going to be pretty. The bigger problem is that as far as I know most PS1 and PS2 games are made for a 4:3 ratio so they'll probably be stretching the picture or cropping the picture. Both are bad ideas.

[spoo]

Rumor is Debunked
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=12524

[Msut77]

If this is true Im in, that is a big if though.

edit: saw the above, damn im gullible.

[MillerTime2523]

One detail that won't be revealed is the PS3's price, which is bound to cause frustration amongst gamers, but is actually a savvy media move. By withholding those details, Sony gains additional media attention (and a renewed burst of public awareness) when it ultimately reveals the price - likely at the end of summer or early fall
Fuck.

[Mr. Anderson]

You guys remember how expensive DVD players were when the PS2 launched? About 300-400 dollars. That's one of the reasons it did so well. I think Sony can do it twice.

[MCalvert1]

You guys remember how expensive DVD players were when the PS2 launched? About 300-400 dollars. That's one of the reasons it did so well. I think Sony can do it twice.

Were there some on the market at that price? Sure. But I got my first stand alone DVD player that black friday for $60.

MjC

[Dkellar]

I can see a $399 price point even though that means Sony is going to lose a LOT of money.

[jlarlee]

Ok correct me if I'm wrong but won't Sony get royalties from each Blu Ray disc made? So in the short term they would lose money but if it gives blu ray the edge over HDDVDs they will make it back and more on the backend.

[SteveMcQ]

PSO and PS2 games in 1080p huh? Wow...pixelized HD goodness. Source material isn't exactly tailored for HD so I don't see what the big deal of that is.

The price, if true, however is a huge deal. Damn. Still gonna hold off about a year until all the quirks are worked out though.

[willardhaven]

399 is still too much, 299 is the most I'll pay for a new console.

[Ma12kez]

Free online gameplay sounds good to me; just hope it's better than what the PS2 has right now.

[GizmoGC]

You guys remember how expensive DVD players were when the PS2 launched? About 300-400 dollars. That's one of the reasons it did so well. I think Sony can do it twice.

Do you remember when DVD launched in the USA? Around 1997. Do you remember when PS2 launched? Around 2001.

Do you remember when Blu-Ray launched? Oh yeah, not yet.

[Masterkyo]

PS3 for $400 is insane. Yeap, Sony will loose alot $$$ for each PS3 is sale but they'll made tons of money on Blue-Ray DVDs, DVD Player and PS3 Games. If the RUMMOR is true, Sony will destroy HD DVD, HD DVD Player and control entertainment market once again.

Im very excited if its true you can play Import game on US PS3 ;)

SONY is EVIL.

[KingDox]

yeah, but how much will places charge for bundles ?

[Graystone]

I really not excited about the PS3 at all. I will pre-order one just incase they go for $1500 on ebay. I will buy a PS3 probably a year or so after it has been out just due to the fact that they screwed up on the PS2 with dvd lasers. So image what's going to happen with a brand new technology. Just remember that I'm not biased toward any company.

[Plinko]

OK, so the price point thing has been debunked.

Wasn't there some huge article recently about 1080p not being possible on the PS3? I could have sworn I read something similar to that.

[graf1k]

1080p is possible on a PS3 (well, I mean, it should be anyway), but don't expect games like Metal Gear Solid 4 or Gran Turismo 5 or Resident Evil 5 to be 1080p. The PS3s graphics processor would have to be several steps up from current gen PC GPUs to do that. You might get some 1080p cutscene videos in a game or something like Tetris 1080p, but the PS3 would have to cost Sony more than a high end computer to do 1080p 3D gaming. Forget the GPU, it would need like double or triple the RAM a 360 has.

[CrimsonPaw]

Do you remember when DVD launched in the USA? Around 1997. Do you remember when PS2 launched? Around 2001.

Do you remember when Blu-Ray launched? Oh yeah, not yet.

Actually, do some research and find why the PS2 sold so well in Japan. It was for this exact reason, the Japanese market was buying the PS2 as a DVD player plus gaming console for around the same price as a standard DVD player.

http://www.didyouknow.cd/dvd/dvdhistory.htm

"In 2000, Sony released its PlayStation 2 console in Japan. In addition to playing video games developed for the system it was also able to play DVD movies. This proved to be a huge selling point because the PS2 cost about the same as DVD player but it could do a whole lot more. As a result, many electronic stores that normally did not carry video game consoles carried PS2s."

In my opinion, Sony would be smart to pull this thing out at $399. First, you attack the XBox on the same price level. Second, you get (hopefully) a fully backwards compatable library. And thirdly you get the Blue-Ray DVD market moving. They will make money off of every game and Blue-Ray DVD sold. As it was stated before, they may loose money initially, but in the 5 year strategy they'll come out ahead.

[munch]

Actually, do some research and find why the PS2 sold so well in Japan. It was for this exact reason, the Japanese market was buying the PS2 as a DVD player plus gaming console for around the same price as a standard DVD player.

http://www.didyouknow.cd/dvd/dvdhistory.htm

"In 2000, Sony released its PlayStation 2 console in Japan. In addition to playing video games developed for the system it was also able to play DVD movies. This proved to be a huge selling point because the PS2 cost about the same as DVD player but it could do a whole lot more. As a result, many electronic stores that normally did not carry video game consoles carried PS2s."

In my opinion, Sony would be smart to pull this thing out at $399. First, you attack the XBox on the same price level. Second, you get (hopefully) a fully backwards compatable library. And thirdly you get the Blue-Ray DVD market moving. They will make money off of every game and Blue-Ray DVD sold. As it was stated before, they may loose money initially, but in the 5 year strategy they'll come out ahead.


The difference IMO is that any idiot on the street could see an obvious superiority of DVD over VHS. While Blu-Ray is superior, it's harder to jusitfy then the the jump from VHS to DVD.

[CappyCobra]

1080p is possible on a PS3 (well, I mean, it should be anyway), but don't expect games like Metal Gear Solid 4 or Gran Turismo 5 or Resident Evil 5 to be 1080p. The PS3s graphics processor would have to be several steps up from current gen PC GPUs to do that. You might get some 1080p cutscene videos in a game or something like Tetris 1080p, but the PS3 would have to cost Sony more than a high end computer to do 1080p 3D gaming. Forget the GPU, it would need like double or triple the RAM a 360 has. I don't expect anything to be in 1080p. From what I recall, Sony never said specifically that games would run in 1080p. I'm thinking it's just the Bluray movies that would be at that resolution (plus any cutscenes in games like you said).

That being said, I won't take a word from Sony unless I had the final product in my hands to buy. It happened with the PS2 and I expect no less from Sony with the PS3. After the bs with the Killzone pre-renderd 'simulated' graphics, and then whittling down features as time goes by, (wasn;t there supposed to be a hub on this thing?)I'll wait until all 3 consoles to comeout to stack them up and decided a winner.

[jetblac]

We are only getting previous generation games playing on the PS3 by emulation. Same way 360 is doing it.
Straight from Sony.
He said Shes Said...

[TC]

yeah, but how much will places charge for bundles ?

I think craptastic game filled bundles and retailers eBaying their alotments is going to make the next consoles much harder to get at launch.

[ryanbph]

http://www.didyouknow.cd/dvd/dvdhistory.htm

"In 2000, Sony released its PlayStation 2 console in Japan. In addition to playing video games developed for the system it was also able to play DVD movies. This proved to be a huge selling point because the PS2 cost about the same as DVD player but it could do a whole lot more. As a result, many electronic stores that normally did not carry video game consoles carried PS2s."



but that is with the dvd player being the same price as the ps2, not at about 1/2 the price.

[doubledown]

Exactly....Blu-Ray players cost $1000, PS3...$400....I don't get it. Unless the PS3 BLu-Ray player sucks ass compared to a stand-alone player.

[TC]

Exactly....Blu-Ray players cost $1000, PS3...$400....I don't get it. Unless the PS3 BLu-Ray player sucks ass compared to a stand-alone player.

When blue-ray movies are $10 at Target having a blue-ray player will become a factor into my perceived value.

[m0dem]

Exactly....Blu-Ray players cost $1000, PS3...$400....I don't get it. Unless the PS3 BLu-Ray player sucks ass compared to a stand-alone player.

Not really its just the point Sony wants to get to the consumers. Why pay more for a blu-ray player when you can get a gaming system and a blu-ray for cheaper? This will also boost the sales of games and other things because who will just have the ps3 for movies?

[munch]

Not really its just the point Sony wants to get to the consumers. Why pay more for a blu-ray player when you can get a gaming system, george foreman grille, and a blu-ray for cheaper? This will also boost the sales of games and other things because who will just have the ps3 for movies?

Fixed.

[Indiana]

That's what Im thinking too. Why would you buy a Blu-Ray player for $500-700 when you can get a PS3 for $399 ?

No one said you would. Remember Sony is using the PS3 as a trojan horse to get the player in homes and increase the adoption rates of the Blu Ray format.

[Indiana]

Exactly....Blu-Ray players cost $1000, PS3...$400....I don't get it. Unless the PS3 BLu-Ray player sucks ass compared to a stand-alone player.

Blu-Ray players cost about $1000 now. But wait 9 months to a year and that price will be more like $499 or less. If the price doesn't fall in line with HD-DVD the format will die.

[doubledown]

Blu-Ray players cost about $1000 now. But wait 9 months to a year and that price will be more like $499 or less. If the price doesn't fall in line with HD-DVD the format will die.

YES, I understand that...but BLU-RAY and the PS3 are coming out in the SAME timespan. I still don't see how they can do this. Yes, it would be a way to get a player in homes, but how much can Sony eat before it becomes profitable....I mean, do they have to sell 10 million PS3's to turn a profit?

[draven80]

everyone keeps focusing on games and movies, but don't you think that the ps3 will do more than that? like online stores. so with one fell swoop, sony would be getting you to buy there games, buy there movies, and buy all the other stuff from them. SONY IS BEAUTIFULLY EVIL!!!!

[Scrubking]

First of all The PSM article says, "It's reasonable for us to expect to see a price tag of $399."

It is clear that it is pure speculation so whoever started the rumor that psm confirmed the price is stupid.

Secondly, I still believe the PS3 will cost no less than $500. The blue-ray player alone costs over $1000 so don't expect sony to match M$'s price. Remember that Sony said it would be "expensive", and I'm sure they weren't lying. And if it does launch at $400 don't buy it because you know that it will fall apart as soon as you get it home.

[chewster777]

$400? 60 GB HDD? Free online play? A controller that will no longer be a boomerang? I'm sold! :)

[omegaweapon7]

wow, with that price and HD sony just raped any competition.

i was gonna get ps3 later, then pay 100 to mod it. now i just might preorder a system.

[MadFlava]

If this is true, PS3 will be such a great bargain to buy, Next gen system, 60 gig hard drive, on top of that a blu-ray DVD player. If Sony announces this I will actually preorder the system the next day. I've been waiting to see how much it would cost before making a decision whether to buy a PS2 or 360. I figured that when PS3 comes out, MS will respond with offering a value bundle for the 360 that would be still $399 but come with some freebies like a free game. If PS3 can match the 360 price point then I'm buying a PS3. If it is $500 or more, I'll go with buying what ever bundle MS comes out to combat PS3.

[Kaijufan]

If the PS3 is only $400 with a 60 GB HDD I'll be getting one a lot sooner then I was planning on getting one (perhaps as early as summer or fall 2007).

[RAMSTORIA]

since the ps3 is not region locked i wonder if ps1 and ps2 import games will play on it, if so, then id be berry happy

[fatmanforlife99]

since the ps3 is not region locked i wonder if ps1 and ps2 import games will play on it, if so, then id be berry happy

They should work on the PS3.

[Morpheus]

I'll wait until Sony announces it before I make comments about it. But something did pop in my head while thinking this over. Blu-ray movie royalties short-term and long-term.

[fatmanforlife99]

I'll wait until Sony announces it before I make comments about it. But something did pop in my head while thinking this over. Blu-ray movie royalties short-term and long-term.


i would have to agree, this sounds very logical.

[jngx80]

The stated price is the price Sony will not go under which doesn't really say anything about the retail price.

Isn't the backwards compatibility using both hardware and software methods? Kaz Hirai mentioned it in an interview with 1up a long time ago. I'm thinking they'll have anti-aliasing and upscaling to 720p which sounds pretty good especially for PS2 games. PS1 games will probably still be ugly because of the low quality textures.

[guardian_owl]

I think he meant flux capacitor.
Better late than never...
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/guardian_owl/ps3_4d.jpg

[Kapwanil]

If Sony can really pull off full backwards compatibility without any region restrictions, they'll have me sold on the system almost instantly just for that aspect alone. However, after too many experiences with first-run Sony products, I'm going to wait at least a year and a half before plunging into the PS3. I love the PS1 and PS2 but buying those when they first came out resulted in the standard problems down the road.

OK, Sony...show us what you've got.

[b3b0p]

:drool: Sweet.... I think I'm going to wait 6 months to a year to buy it though due to the hardware problems facing the 360. Plus, I'm buying the Revolution on day 1 so I'll have plenty to do in the meantime...

I wonder how the PS2 games will look in 1080i?

Dito.

The PS2 games will just be upconverted from their already super low resolution, so it won't look spectacular, perhaps craptacular, but not HD spectacular.

[Ivanhoe]

Im hoping for a 399 price point

but im sort of expecting 499.99.


Either way its going to be sold out for months.

[Quackzilla]

I wasn't planning to buy a console this generation, but if this is true than I just might.

[Spoon_si]

$399... heo.. doesn't everybody wishes that was the price.. I'm not goin to expect anything less then $499...


I'm expecting a $599 launch price... but I'll hold out for atleast 2 years...

[Monsta Mack]

Hmm.

$399 means I'll be getting one by next Xmas.
$599 means I won't be getting one for awhile

If the Rev/Wii is still $250 or less thats a bargain overall.
I already own a 360 so *shrugs*

[alongx]

How can it run PS2 games at 1080p?
I thought that was basically impossible at this point.
I smell :bs:

It'll be Xbox 360-ish in its implementation I assume - downloaded higher-res textures to the harddisk and then swapped into the game at runtime.

[lukew8998]

Ps3, $399 very very doubtful. but if it is playstation will blow Xbox away
... Well lets admit it that'll happen anyway:)

[Kendal]

If it is $400, I probably will get it asap. Fuck HD-DVD, Blu-Ray is better cause I say so.

[mmn]

Ps3, $399 very very doubtful. but if it is playstation will blow Xbox away
... Well lets admit it that'll happen anyway:)

The Gamefaqs forums called. They miss you.

[RedvsBlue]

The Gamefaqs forums called. They miss you.

Ahh and that's where you're wrong, I'm pretty sure no one could miss that guy.

[whoknows]

The Gamefaqs forums called. They miss you.
Well...even though what he said was definatley fanboyish, its still probably true.

[RedvsBlue]

Well...even though what he said was definatley fanboyish, its still probably true.

I think people seem to forget that the industry can change practically overnight. Prior to the original playstation release everyone pretty much thought it would be a monumental failure. Obviously it wasn't. My point? You can't predict a system's performance before its launch (well except the Gizmondo...).

[7h0r4x3]

if you guys remember, when PS2 came out it was cheaper than the DVD player in japan. so maybe sony is doing the same thing here.?.

[swetooth9]

will the "one disc per person" thing still apply? any news on that? it's when you put in a disc on your ps3, only your ps3 can play that game, so you can't trade or sell them

[RedvsBlue]

will the "one disc per person" thing still apply? any news on that? it's when you put in a disc on your ps3, only your ps3 can play that game, so you can't trade or sell them


The patent for it exists and is owned by Sony but it doesn't look like it will be used on PS3.

[ITDEFX]

I think he meant flux capacitor.

which makes time travel possible..........quick get the plutonium,er i ment garbage!

[Dr Mario Kart]

i cant see them making too much money at that price point

no, no. Success is defined by MARKETSHARE now. Money made doesnt matter. You just need to get the system into people's homes, even if you have to practically GIVE them away.

[swetooth9]

The patent for it exists and is owned by Sony but it doesn't look like it will be used on PS3.

if that's true, and the pricepoint is true for the ps3 + 60 GB hard drive, i'll wait to see how the PS3 online will be handled (how good can it be if it's free?)...then i'll make a decision...

[Arkay Firestar]

About 200 dollars off...but close.

[RedvsBlue]

About 200 dollars off...but close.
Like I said, the industry can change overnight...

[EarthKing]

Isn't the PS3 the most expensive console ever???

[swetooth9]

no...back in the day, other consoles were about the same or a hundred dollars more