Speculation: Wii logo movie reveals final secret

[Strell]

I posted this over at the PGC.com forums also.

I don't really subscribe to the idea that all the supposed 3D stuff is real, but if there's one thing I know about Nintendo, its that they always give clues that almost exactly tell us what they are up to. Miyamoto talking about how he wanted to player to pull the level like Link, or Silicon Knights saying "Gosh we'd sure luv to play with Metal Gear Solid." Even Miyamoto calling the Wiimote "the big gun" wasn't too far off.

Also, this theory has more or less been said in other respects. I'm hardly adding anything new.

So I'm thinking about the Wii logo...and it has a lot of 3D space to it with the dancing i's. For example, the bullets fly at you, then fly back at the i. Then four i's are playing essentially pong with each other.

Then there's this really odd "twisting" of the i that I haven't really figured out...

But anyway, speculation. What "gives it away" to me is the four i's playing pong with each other.

Let's assume you had four players, each with a Wiimote. They are playing the new Mario Tennis. The idea I'm envisioning is that the gameplay takes place in two different universes. 1) You play on the regular television, no big deal. But 2) You play in real world space with others via the Wiimote. So maybe you and your partner are playing, and all of a sudden the game goes in "real" mode, and you start hitting the ball towards each other in real time. In other words, it's out of the damn television at this point. So you can bounce the ball off a table if you want, or maybe you have to volley it the entire time in a hacky-sac sort of thing.

The catch would be that the Wiimote physically interacts with the game world/objects. So an enemy appears and you thrust the Wiimote into them. Perhaps there's a way it looks like an actual sword (though I cannot imagine that is possible). Or you hit the ball with the remote. Whatever.

I keep trying to think about all the odd rumors we've seen in the past. Nintendo supposedly experimented with 3D real time displays at E3 2-3 years ago. Then there was IGN's cryptic remark about "seeing the sensor bar only sometimes."

So maybe games are jumping from 2D to full 3D space.

I'm trying to think of how this could be utilized for various genres, but honestly my head hurts enough as is.

Do I think this is it? No. Do I want it to be this? Hard to say. There's no way for us to know if it would work well or not. I'm excited enough about the way the Wiimote works. I'm fairly sure my head would melt if there's all of a sudden some sort of 3D-on-steriods stuff.

//just sayin'

[Dr Mario Kart]

well I mean, the twisting would reflect the new motion sensing functionality?

but other than that, I'm entirely clear on what you're trying to say.

[Blind the Thief]

You know, it's funny you should mention Nintendo dropping hints...because I know Miyamoto mentioned in EGM awhile back (I think it was that snazzy Zelda issue last May? I could be wrong...) that he envisioned games one day breaking away from the confines of the television screen entirely. So...you may be on to something here.

I see how the controllers could react to each other in your hypothetical game, but...how would the players see the ball, then? Are you suggesting it would project a Virtual Ball in the open space in the room or something? That would be...hmm, I can't imagine it's that, but who knows?

[Strell]

I dunno. I'm not convinced myself of this sort of thing. It just doesn't seem entirely possible without a headset of some kind.

In any case, it's labeled speculation, and we've got like 8 days to sweat until then.

I shudder to think of the mental fatigue I'm going to be under during these 192 hours.

[Dr Mario Kart]

E3 is going to bring down the entire internet. You wont be able to check your email during E3. I'm actually going to set aside all obligations during E3 so I can sit on 7 different forums and hit F5.

[Strell]

As RF immortally said, "This announcement has broken the Internet" in regards to Wii.

E3 is going to be that amplified greatly.

There will be servers asploding left and right.

[Kendal]

Wii means Wireless internet interface. You heard it here second. I think the four i's playing pong is like the party atmospere and also the fun it will be to play online. Also the shooting at you part could be part of the whole image of immersion that Nintendo wants you to have with the interface. The twisting is clearly the sensors in the remote. Maybe the remote is made of rubber and it twists! Bop-it Wiivolution.

[RedvsBlue]

While your speculation is quite interesting I think its almost too far reaching. That kind of technology, while possible in the future would simply be too expensive at this point I believe.

[Dr Mario Kart]

While your speculation is quite interesting I think its almost too far reaching. That kind of technology, while possible in the future would simply be too expensive at this point I believe.

This is right on. Nintendo has always been about getting the most bang for your buck rather than paying so much more for top of the line business.

If its too expensive, its not going to happen. Knowing that Nintendo hates taking losses on hardware limits the kinds of radical theories that you can have about what they plan to do.

New and never done is all good, but it cant be too expensive.

[mietha]

No offense, but you people are fucking insane. It's a glorified power glove, attached to a very underpowered system, that now has an extremely stupid name, nothing more. It is not going to change gaming as we know it. It's going to have a few gimmicks. I would venture to say some of them will be quite good. But that's it. IT"S A GIMMICK. Just like the DS. Sure the DS has some neat things about it, but seriously, has there been one GAME (not nintendogs, it's not a game, per se) that has been truely revolutionary (no pun intended)? In my opinion-no. The vast majority of the games could be done on the PSP much better. The touch screens parts are almost always just something tossed in to make it "DS-ified". They rarely actually add anything, and in several cases, the games would be much better off with out it. There is absolutely nothing at this time to make anyone think that the Wii (dumbest...name...ever) will be any different other than good drugs and a WHOLE lot of hope. I honestly hope I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt it. There will be a few neat games, don't get me wrong. But that's all they'll be, neat gimmicks. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat is a neat idea, but can be played much easier with a controller than the drums, so really, what's the point? Nice delusions, and it would be awesome if that were possible, but right now it's simply not, at least not ANYWHERE near the price point of a home console. It is a gimmick, that will most likely be treated as the touch screen and have some Wiimote minigames as throw-ins and that's that. And Nintendo will be eaten for breakfast by sony and microsoft just as in the last generation. Hell, the best thing they have going for them is turbografx game downloads. I hope that's not an exclusive contract. I'd love to see them on live. And for the record, I'm not a MS fanboy Wii-bashing, I'm just a realist who was looking forward to Nintendo's new experiment, at least until they changed the name. I'm praying they have the good sense to change it, at least for the US/Uk release, but they probably won't. Mainly because Nintendo could give a fuck less about the US and it's been that way for a LONG time.

[PenguinMaster]

You're talking about some completly new out-of-this-world technology. Honestly the Wii isn't using any revolutionary technology (Gyroscopes have been around for a decade, and even used mildly in gaming for that decade). All their fancy ideas are just things that haven't had mainstream appeal to try.

[Strell]

I'm just a realist who was looking forward to Nintendo's new experiment, at least until they changed the name.

Remember kids! You TOO can make idiotic statements!

[PenguinMaster]

In fact, to continue my previous post, if you really want to play games with a gyroscope buy a gyroscopic mouse and play some PC games.

http://www.gyration.com/en-US/ProductDetail.html?modelnum=GC1005M&accshow=3

To be a true CAG wait for it to show up on woot.com (often around $25)

EDIT: Well now I've gone and piqued my interest in a Gyroscopic mouse.

EDIT: Here's a cheaper Gyroscopic mouse:
http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PRODUCT&PROD_ID=1896994&cid=25608&fp=F

[Dr Mario Kart]

Brain Age?

No really, selecting multiple choice answers to math problems by either scrolling through menus or hitting the 4 face buttons to simulate A through D is better than writing on a touch screen.

You shouldnt compare the Wii with the DS if you also expect the Wii to do poorly. You know, since the DS basically prints money

[coolz481]

It is not going to change gaming as we know it. It's going to have a few gimmicks. There will be a few neat games, don't get me wrong. But that's all they'll be, neat gimmicks.

Of course, there is the possibility that the Wii will not change the face of gaming, but at least there is that possibility. I'd rather go with that than what is going to be on offer with the PS3 - retreads. Oooh, Tekken 6!! Ridge Racer 7!! Devil May Cry 4!! Ratchet&Clank 5!! Jak&Daxter4!! SlyCooper4!!

[daroga]

I can't say that I'm fully onboard with your ideas, Strelly Boy, but it's interesting.

The Wii is the first console, EVER, that I'll get at launch (and I've been in teh gamez since the NES). I've always wait for a certain console to prove itself worthy of my money. One way or another, Nintendo is going to bring an experience unknown to video games with the Wii. Maybe it'll suck ass. I hope not, but it might. But, since the DS has more than proven itself to live up to its potential, and now even 3rd parties like Ubisoft and EA are showing that they are respecting the Wii (note, these two companies brought us the wonders of King Kong and Burnout on the DS respectively), I'm in at launch and am sure it'll be one heck of a ride. I no longer have time/money/patience to play the same crap over and over. It's either something new or I'm more or less done with gaming.

E3 can't come soon enough. It's gonna be a fun time.

[RedvsBlue]

No offense, but you people are fucking insane. It's a glorified power glove, attached to a very underpowered system, that now has an extremely stupid name, nothing more. It is not going to change gaming as we know it. It's going to have a few gimmicks. I would venture to say some of them will be quite good. But that's it. IT"S A GIMMICK. Just like the DS. Sure the DS has some neat things about it, but seriously, has there been one GAME (not nintendogs, it's not a game, per se) that has been truely revolutionary (no pun intended)? In my opinion-no. The vast majority of the games could be done on the PSP much better. The touch screens parts are almost always just something tossed in to make it "DS-ified". They rarely actually add anything, and in several cases, the games would be much better off with out it. There is absolutely nothing at this time to make anyone think that the Wii (dumbest...name...ever) will be any different other than good drugs and a WHOLE lot of hope. I honestly hope I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt it. There will be a few neat games, don't get me wrong. But that's all they'll be, neat gimmicks. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat is a neat idea, but can be played much easier with a controller than the drums, so really, what's the point? Nice delusions, and it would be awesome if that were possible, but right now it's simply not, at least not ANYWHERE near the price point of a home console. It is a gimmick, that will most likely be treated as the touch screen and have some Wiimote minigames as throw-ins and that's that. And Nintendo will be eaten for breakfast by sony and microsoft just as in the last generation. Hell, the best thing they have going for them is turbografx game downloads. I hope that's not an exclusive contract. I'd love to see them on live. And for the record, I'm not a MS fanboy Wii-bashing, I'm just a realist who was looking forward to Nintendo's new experiment, at least until they changed the name. I'm praying they have the good sense to change it, at least for the US/Uk release, but they probably won't. Mainly because Nintendo could give a fuck less about the US and it's been that way for a LONG time.

You know, there's healthy skepticism and constructive criticism and then there's you...

While I can see your point about the DS not being that different you go about making that point all wrong. Games like Castlevania, Tetris, Resident Evil DS, and Metroid Prime Hunters can (and have) been done with conventional control schemes/setups, there are other games that just would not be possible otherwise such as Princess Peach, Nintendogs, Brain Age, Pac-Pix, and Wario Ware Touched. You simply point to the games that have extra thrown in touch screen capability like Castlevania (even the developer has admitted the touch screen "extras" are a waste) and completely marginalize the fact that there are a lot of games that make great use of the touch screen. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think that the Revolution will follow this same pattern to a certain extent.

[daroga]

You know, there's healthy skepticism and constructive criticism and then there's you...

While I can see your point about the DS not being that different you go about making that point all wrong. Games like Castlevania, Tetris, Resident Evil DS, and Metroid Prime Hunters can (and have) been done with conventional control schemes/setups, there are other games that just would not be possible otherwise such as Princess Peach, Nintendogs, Brain Age, Pac-Pix, and Wario Ware Touched. You simply point to the games that have extra thrown in touch screen capability like Castlevania (even the developer has admitted the touch screen "extras" are a waste) and completely marginalize the fact that there are a lot of games that make great use of the touch screen. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think that the Revolution will follow this same pattern to a certain extent.
Bingo. Not every game on the Wii will be gold, but if the DS is any indication, when things are good, they'll be amazingly good. I wonder if the Wii will have the same kind of odd spread that the DS has, where things are either utter crap or pure gold with very little inbetween. This is normalling out a bit now, but for a while it seemed things were either a King Kong or a Mario Kart DS. Weird.

[SpazX]

You be crazy Strell. It doesn't seem to me that there isn't really anything else to show. The 3D world thing is just not possible any further than just detecting where the remotes are. You could play towards a real person, but you wouldn't be able to see shit, so yeah there'd have to be some kind of headset so you could see what was going on for it to work.

At least we won't be playing the same games over and over and over. At least Nintendo is trying.

[botticus]

If this concept were true, then we all know what one of the launch titles would be:

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/4962/boxartreggiev28bn2ee.th.jpg (http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boxartreggiev28bn2ee.jpg)

But I don't think it is.

[RedvsBlue]

If this concept were true, then we all know what one of the launch titles would be:

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/4962/boxartreggiev28bn2ee.th.jpg (http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boxartreggiev28bn2ee.jpg)

But I don't think it is.

Ok now that's just uncalled for.

[botticus]

Ok now that's just uncalled for.
I know, but I felt that since I was going to reject Strell's speculation, I should give him something to cheer him up.

[RedvsBlue]

I know, but I felt that since I was going to reject Strell's speculation, I should give him something to cheer him up.
I'm pretty sure that would make even a gay man go soft for a month.

[munch]

If this concept were true, then we all know what one of the launch titles would be:

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/4962/boxartreggiev28bn2ee.th.jpg (http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boxartreggiev28bn2ee.jpg)

But I don't think it is.

:rofl: I love the subtitle!

[Mookyjooky]

I love all this Nintendo cloak and dagger stuff too.. but remember how let down you were when they had "One final secret" and it was the fuckin Gameboy Micro.

[RedvsBlue]

I love all this Nintendo cloak and dagger stuff too.. but remember how let down you were when they had "One final secret" and it was the fuckin Gameboy Micro.

Oh god, at that rate it could end up being "our special announcement is that the Wii console and controllers will be available in a variety of colors!"

[oleander]

Oh god, at that rate it could end up being "our special announcement is that the Wii console and controllers will be available in a variety of colors!"
I'd be pretty excited about that...:D
But yes, if that were their only (or biggest) secret, it would be disappointing...

[botticus]

I'd be pretty excited about that...:D
But yes, if that were their only (or biggest) secret, it would be disappointing...
Given that the accelerometer in the nunchuku attachment is confirmed by a third party (EA) and was hinted at as only one small part of the remaining secrets Nintendo has (Matt Atwood), I think it will be something fairly monumentous.

[jkam]

IT"S A GIMMICK. Just like the DS. Sure the DS has some neat things about it, but seriously, has there been one GAME (not nintendogs, it's not a game, per se) that has been truely revolutionary (no pun intended)? In my opinion-no. The vast majority of the games could be done on the PSP much better.

Now before you think I'm being a crazy fanboy...I own a PSP. The DS is anything but a gimmick. The great thing about it is you can have standard games like Resident Evil or you can have touch screen games like Kirby. You also get some updates to old games such as rebirth mode in Resident Evil. The choice is there for more than what is offered on the PSP. As for revolutionary games I suggest giving Kirby, Pac-Pix, and Pac N Roll a chance. These games are unique because they can't be done on any other platform. I found myself having a blast with them. So much that I couldn't wait to go back to playing them.

The PSP while powerful just doesn't do anything really great (at least yet). Don't get me wrong I'm having fun with some of the games but you really have to be careful what you buy for the system...ie load times, controls, and graphical or sound issues.

Maybe the Wii won't be the answer to everyone's prayers but I like the idea because just like the DS it gives you a conventional way to play games and a fresh take on a stale industry. I think everyone wants this radical change that will one day change gaming forever which is a cool idea but....I see the change as a more gradual thing...2D to 3D, Analog controls, so on and so forth.

As for the OP's post....the one thing that everyone keeps pointing to is this 3D playing field or out of the TV concept. When I first heard the idea I was thinking that in addition to the normal sensor for the Wiimote there would also be some cameras that could be placed like a surround sound system that could capture you as well as the environment as well as project images into it. Like everyone said though it seems a bit expensive or out of reach. E3 can't come fast enough.

[Krymner]

I'm kinda hoping the Wii will have a headset myself. No, not like a big helmet thing, but just an earpiece with an attached mic, and maybe a monocle lens that can be attached/detached for possible 3D, or for line-of-sight targeting.

I do remember hearing a rumor that the Wii will have live voice chat incorporated, probably something similar to Metroid Prime:Hunters where it works walkie-talkie like.

Personally, I'm to the point of believing that what Nintendo will try to do with the Wii-mote is to take all of their "gimmicky" paraphanalia (light guns, bongos, microphones, etc.) and combine them into one unit.

[Ecofreak]

Sure the DS has some neat things about it, but seriously, has there been one GAME (not nintendogs, it's not a game, per se) that has been truely revolutionary (no pun intended)? In my opinion-no.

Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan! could in no way be done on the PSP.

In many ways, using the Touch Pad makes interface much easier and faster which, although not a revolution in and of itself, helps makes the game more enjoyable as the tedium is reduced considerably.

Take a collectable card game for example - I played a few on the GB & GBA. Each time, I hated having to scroll through pages and pages of cards using the D-Pad, and trying to arrange decks quickly was insanely tedious. With the Touch Pad, I am sure it will be considerably easier.

[Richlough]

As for the OP's post....the one thing that everyone keeps pointing to is this 3D playing field or out of the TV concept. When I first heard the idea I was thinking that in addition to the normal sensor for the Wiimote there would also be some cameras that could be placed like a surround sound system that could capture you as well as the environment as well as project images into it. Like everyone said though it seems a bit expensive or out of reach. E3 can't come fast enough.

What about this augmented reality technology (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-446063140444016106&q=t+immersion&pl=true) from 2004 ?

There's your camera right there .

[Reality's Fringe]

The secret to the Wii will be an odor based system. IT will give you tons of pleaseant smells until you download Earthbound.

[SpazX]

What about this augmented reality technology (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-446063140444016106&q=t+immersion&pl=true) from 2004 ?

There's your camera right there .

Yeah, people have suggested that immersion technology, but I don't really see the point. I don't want a souped up eyetoy game. If only they could make a holodeck....

[slimpip]

But that's all they'll be, neat gimmicks. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat is a neat idea, but can be played much easier with a controller than the drums, so really, what's the point?

To have fun. I'm pretty sure lots of games would be easier (DDR, Donkey Konga, DS games, Guitar Hero, Real World Golf) if you used the regular standard controller. But, I'll be damned if you have as much fun with a little dual shock or wavebird as you do with touch screeens, bongos, dance pads, golf clubs, or guitars.

Nintendo (in case you haven't realized yet) is making strides in interactivity. What video games are supposed to be. Touch screens, motion sensing remotes, all little baby steps moving towards something big.

It is a gimmick, that will most likely be treated as the touch screen and have some Wiimote minigames as throw-ins and that's that.

The touch screen for DS was more secondary to the buttons and D-Pad. The motion sensing for Wii is now primary compared to the D-Pad and buttons.

I honestly hope I'm wrong

No, you don't.

I'm just a realist who was looking forward to Nintendo's new experiment, at least until they changed the name.

So if it was called Revolution, would it still be a gimmick? ;)

I also laughed when one of the first things you mentioned was the Wii is underpowered. You're missing the whole point. I think you're just uninformed on the whole subject :)

P.S. - People do take offense when you call them fucking insane, whether or not you say "NO OFFENSE". You sound like a kid on the playground playing tag shouting "SAFETY! I'M SAFE!" or glue or base, whatever the hell they call it.

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Now! For my input on the secret. I'd say that Nintendo is probably going to reveal alot of "old" games (as in smash bros., mario(s), and other exclusives) but in a way we've never seen them before (hence the twist, eh eh?!). Now if that means 3D? I don't think so, we may have ot wait another generation before we somehting like that incorporated into games. I'm also expecting controller shells to make an appearance at E3, but you never know.

[jer7583]

No offense, but you people are fucking insane. It's a glorified power glove, attached to a very underpowered system, that now has an extremely stupid name, nothing more. It is not going to change gaming as we know it. It's going to have a few gimmicks. I would venture to say some of them will be quite good. But that's it. IT"S A GIMMICK. Just like the DS. Sure the DS has some neat things about it, but seriously, has there been one GAME (not nintendogs, it's not a game, per se) that has been truely revolutionary (no pun intended)? In my opinion-no. The vast majority of the games could be done on the PSP much better. The touch screens parts are almost always just something tossed in to make it "DS-ified". They rarely actually add anything, and in several cases, the games would be much better off with out it. There is absolutely nothing at this time to make anyone think that the Wii (dumbest...name...ever) will be any different other than good drugs and a WHOLE lot of hope. I honestly hope I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt it. There will be a few neat games, don't get me wrong. But that's all they'll be, neat gimmicks. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat is a neat idea, but can be played much easier with a controller than the drums, so really, what's the point? Nice delusions, and it would be awesome if that were possible, but right now it's simply not, at least not ANYWHERE near the price point of a home console. It is a gimmick, that will most likely be treated as the touch screen and have some Wiimote minigames as throw-ins and that's that. And Nintendo will be eaten for breakfast by sony and microsoft just as in the last generation. Hell, the best thing they have going for them is turbografx game downloads. I hope that's not an exclusive contract. I'd love to see them on live. And for the record, I'm not a MS fanboy Wii-bashing, I'm just a realist who was looking forward to Nintendo's new experiment, at least until they changed the name. I'm praying they have the good sense to change it, at least for the US/Uk release, but they probably won't. Mainly because Nintendo could give a fuck less about the US and it's been that way for a LONG time.

For Fuck's sake, don't they teach you kids basic writing anymore? I will never read this shit. Your opinion is invalid.

I think the final secret will be a new Miyamoto franchise (or a new iteration of an old one) that takes FULL advantage of the wiimote and demonstrates it's abilities to the fullest.. just like Super Mario 64 did with analog control and 3D worlds. And I think it'll be packed in with the console.

Miyamoto and his group of developers have always had a great influence on controller design at nintendo, and I wouldn't be surprised to finally see what game concept gave birth to the wiimote. Just like SM64 gave birth to the analog controller of the 64.
Here's hoping.

[Snake2715]

In fact, to continue my previous post, if you really want to play games with a gyroscope buy a gyroscopic mouse and play some PC games.

http://www.gyration.com/en-US/ProductDetail.html?modelnum=GC1005M&accshow=3

To be a true CAG wait for it to show up on woot.com (often around $25)

EDIT: Well now I've gone and piqued my interest in a Gyroscopic mouse.

EDIT: Here's a cheaper Gyroscopic mouse:
http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PRODUCT&PROD_ID=1896994&cid=25608&fp=F

I have the Gyration. and its a 2d only situation. I am a little confused as the the direct comparison. If thats relevant then the Eye Toy did it first no?

[PenguinMaster]

I have the Gyration. and its a 2d only situation. I am a little confused as the the direct comparison. If thats relevant then the Eye Toy did it first no?

I know the Revolution uses 3D movement and I'm sure that others could've as well. I think the only reason nothing else used 3D movement was so that they could have the game be easily playable without the gyroscope. I really don't think 3D movement will make that much of a difference.

[captaincold]

Anyone remember that Pokemon "wand" (?) device that you wave and it projects a image in mid air?

Anyone have a link to that?

[scottman]

Miyamoto and his group of developers have always had a great influence on controller design at nintendo, and I wouldn't be surprised to finally see what game concept gave birth to the wiimote. Just like SM64 gave birth to the analog controller of the 64.
Here's hoping.

Yeah, we haven't heard anything about miyamoto's driving purpose for these controllers yet. I think you're on to something. Are we sure that the next Super Mario 128 (or whatever) is going to be on the gamecube and not a wii launch title? I could totally see them showing some sort of motion sensing mario game as their "big" secret, although I still don't know how well they can recreate solid "mario quality" platformer elements with just that controller though.

[Ecofreak]

Miyamoto and his group of developers have always had a great influence on controller design at nintendo, and I wouldn't be surprised to finally see what game concept gave birth to the wiimote. Just like SM64 gave birth to the analog controller of the 64.Here's hoping.

Spot on - I think you may be onto something.

[Snake2715]

wheres the commercial?

[daroga]

wheres the commercial?
http://revolution.nintendo.com

[Blind the Thief]

IT"S A GIMMICK. Just like the DS. Sure the DS has some neat things about it, but seriously, has there been one GAME (not nintendogs, it's not a game, per se) that has been truely revolutionary (no pun intended)? In my opinion-no. The vast majority of the games could be done on the PSP much better. The touch screens parts are almost always just something tossed in to make it "DS-ified".

After 5 minutes of playing Trauma Cente,r I turned to my friend and said, "This is what the DS is all about. Trauma Center simply couldn't have existed before the DS was made."

While not revolutionary in the sense that every handheld will now have a touch screen (though I wouldn't be entirely surprised), I think the DS has sparked something among the development community. They want to try nothing, break the bounds games have followed the last 20 years, and it took the DS to make them realize that. Gimmick, indeed.




The secret to the Wii will be an odor based system. IT will give you tons of pleaseant smells until you download Earthbound.

I hope you're not implying that Earthbound would produce a bad smell.

In fact, maybe the system should produce bad smells until you bow down to Itoi and download Earthbound.

[SMMM]

Earthbound? That game stinks.

[Reality's Fringe]

I hope you're not implying that Earthbound would produce a bad smell.

In fact, maybe the system should produce bad smells until you bow down to Itoi and download Earthbound.

It wouldn't be Earthbound unless I could smell Master Belch, and who wouldn't love a whiff of Pokey's...leavings...in the desert of Scaraba? Though I do agree it should release something odorous if you haven't downloaded Earthbound...maybe Zyklon B?

[the3rdkey]

I predict the final secret is that is forwards compatible with the Zii.

[SMMM]

I predict the final secret is that is forwards compatible with the Zii.

Actually, Zii would've been a kickass name..

Zii will, Zii will, rock you...

[tayaf69]

have you guys ever thought about Wii actually being the real name? I was reading on Megagames.com and they confirmed that Nintendo has not filed a patent for the copyright of the name at all! They purchased the gamecube patent a LONG time before they released the name. Also, wii.com has not been purchased by nintendo as gamecube.com was. It actually might make a lot of sense to keep everyone talking. My guess is that there will be another name at E3.... and I think the patent gives it away

[Michaellvortega]

have you guys ever thought about Wii actually being the real name? I was reading on Megagames.com and they confirmed that Nintendo has not filed a patent for the copyright of the name at all! They purchased the gamecube patent a LONG time before they released the name. Also, wii.com has not been purchased by nintendo as gamecube.com was. It actually might make a lot of sense to keep everyone talking. My guess is that there will be another name at E3.... and I think the patent gives it away

This has been disproven already.

[botticus]

Eh, there was some talk about it in one of the threads about the name, but they have gotten NintendoWii.com, and according to reps, they have filed a patent, it just hasn't gone through yet. Sure, its possible, but I'd question if confusing the hell out of people with different names would be any less damaging than a name that people got all up in arms about for a weeks.

[tayaf69]

ha that sucks. Was kinda hoping they were pulling something. I can get used to the name though. I have faith in Nintendo

[Quatli]

Strell man, I seriously think you are on to something. This is pretty much what I was getting at when I started my thread about Wii's name having another meaning regarding the system. After watching the video again, I am starting to think that the final secret is not about 3D projection as much as it is 3D interactivity, most likely with other players. I have no idea how this would work but it definatly ties into the 'togetherness' theme Nintendo is trying to push with the Wii name. You are also spot on with Nintendo's history of clue-giving, so maybe Miyamotos reference to 'games breaking free from the TV' has more to it than we think. The idea makes a lot of sense, but how it would be applied.. well i dunno. Anyways, heres to hoping you are right.



....8 Days? Are you serious? Ive waited two years for some damn closure and its oh so close.. Anticipation for e3 is seriously melting my soul..

[jer7583]

i say New 3d Mario fully playable at E3, with Wiimote controls.. sorta like a joystick you hold in your hand, but without the base.. jumping motions are upwards, and running is tied to a button on the remote. Lots of addictive wiimote minigames and boss battles.

I would love to be right on this.

[elwood731]

i say New 3d Mario fully playable at E3, with Wiimote controls.. sorta like a joystick you hold in your hand, but without the base.. jumping motions are upwards, and running is tied to a button on the remote. Lots of addictive wiimote minigames and boss battles.

I would love to be right on this.
In the case that you were holding the remote like a joystick, couldn't running be controlled by how far you pushed forward or back the controller, just like an analog joystick? I am not sure if the controller will be that sensitive or not, but if it is that would be pretty neat.

[jer7583]

In the case that you were holding the remote like a joystick, couldn't running be controlled by how far you pushed forward or back the controller, just like an analog joystick? I am not sure if the controller will be that sensitive or not, but if it is that would be pretty neat.

could be that or even just motion sensitive within a certain range, which you could calibrate at any time. I'd love to have mario do that fun little circle run by spinning my Wiimote around in circles. Just like an analog stick.

[SpazX]

I really can't think of a good way to use the controller differently for a 3D mario. That joystick thing seems odd to me, I think the best would be just to use the analog like usual for movement and the remote for the camera.

Hopefully someone at Nintendo is more creative than me :-P.

[Blind the Thief]

I really can't think of a good way to use the controller differently for a 3D mario. That joystick thing seems odd to me, I think the best would be just to use the analog like usual for movement and the remote for the camera.

Hopefully someone at Nintendo is more creative than me :-P.

This is the single biggest reason I'm interest in E3: to see just what Nintendo has cooked up for this thing.

[Foolman]

http://www.gamedaily.com/features/?id=1000&page=1 ?

[JSweeney]

After 5 minutes of playing Trauma Cente,r I turned to my friend and said, "This is what the DS is all about. Trauma Center simply couldn't have existed before the DS was made."


I'm guessing you never played "Life and Death" for the PC.
http://free-game-downloads.mosw.com/abandonware/pc/simulations/games_i_o/life_and_death.html

[scottman]

I'm guessing you never played "Life and Death" for the PC.
http://free-game-downloads.mosw.com/abandonware/pc/simulations/games_i_o/life_and_death.html

Dude!! I have the retail box version of that game from back in the day. I could never get past one of the operations though. Kept dying from infection after I closed everything up, even though I could never figure out which part went wrong.

[SpazX]

I'm guessing you never played "Life and Death" for the PC.
http://free-game-downloads.mosw.com/abandonware/pc/simulations/games_i_o/life_and_death.html

From the looks of that site, nobody did.

[hohez]

the final secret will be even wii games available for download on the virtual console. you will never have to leave your house to buy a game again. You will also never have to wait for shipping. Soon as a games release date arrives you can download it.

[Dr Mario Kart]

May 8th? The Nintendo conference is 9:30 am (Pacific) on May 9th

[botticus]

Red Steel looks like a good FPS that uses the controller as a gun, so that part should be covered.

[oleander]

I really can't think of a good way to use the controller differently for a 3D mario. That joystick thing seems odd to me, I think the best would be just to use the analog like usual for movement and the remote for the camera.

Hopefully someone at Nintendo is more creative than me :-P.
Yeah, platformers seem (to me) to have very little to gain from the controller. Which is not to say that the remote is useless in this situation, but that controlling character movement with the remote would be very awkward. I think it is much more likely that some other feature will use the remote, and movement will be done with the nunchaku, but whatever...I'm not worried.

[scottman]

http://www.gamedaily.com/features/?id=1000&page=1 ?

Rewatching that official teaser video with sound on really made me realize how extensively they plan on using the motion sensing features. In that video alone, they seem to show shooting, baseball, racquetball, fishing, sword fights, drilling like a dentist or surgeon, and leading a mario jumping noise with the wand. Because of this, I am leaning more towards the virtual reality mario, zelda, or metroid game to be the big secret.

The one part where the 3 girls swat flies makes it look like they are looking into the air instead of at a screen, which would suggest holograms, but my guess is that was just bad acting on their part. You will also notice at the end when the guy leaves to answer the phone and they show the tv he was looking at, there are no projectors or any other peripherals to suggest more than just playing on a conventional tv.

[Ultimate Matt X]

I think the girls are just supposed be watching the screen. They're just not pointing at it so good.

[tayaf69]

how will you guys feel if all of these speculations never happen? I am so excited about their news but I am trying to brace myself for any dissapointment that may come my way. Still, I hope it is the best system of all time. Showing a Mario game at E3 would make my day.

[SpazX]

how will you guys feel if all of these speculations never happen? I am so excited about their news but I am trying to brace myself for any dissapointment that may come my way. Still, I hope it is the best system of all time. Showing a Mario game at E3 would make my day.

The projection and hologram shit isn't happening, I think we all realize this (if not, we damn well should). Projection is pointless and 3D holograms are far beyond anyone's technical capabilities.

We'll find out what's going on soon enough.

[Foolman]

how will you guys feel if all of these speculations never happen? I am so excited about their news but I am trying to brace myself for any dissapointment that may come my way. Still, I hope it is the best system of all time. Showing a Mario game at E3 would make my day.

Speculating is fun for some people. It helps pass the time. Hopefully everyone isn't too into speculating that they won't be able to accept the truth if it doesn't match their speculation.

[tayaf69]

does anyone have that link to the news article about nintendo purchasing the vr glasses from some company? I don't remember where I read this, but it was about two months ago. Just curious about what is going on there


I really hope this hasn't been disproven as well. THat would make me pretty far behind on all of the news...

[botticus]

I've figured it out. The Wii will support single-disc multiplayer over WiFi, a la the DS.

This is because it will be too expensive to buy all the launch titles, so they allow you to split costs with friends and still play multiplayer. I buy 10, my other friend buys 10, we can play all 20.

[Strell]

I've figured it out. The Wii will support single-disc multiplayer over WiFi, a la the DS.

This is because it will be too expensive to buy all the launch titles, so they allow you to split costs with friends and still play multiplayer. I buy 10, my other friend buys 10, we can play all 20.

Neat idea. Hmmm.

I don't think it could be bigger than the interface itself, but I guess we'll see.

I guess we CAGs can start divvying up the games then. I call Smash Bros. I CALL SMASH BROS. I will hunt you DOWN if I find out anyone else bought it.

[botticus]

Neat idea. Hmmm.

I don't think it could be bigger than the interface itself, but I guess we'll see.

I guess we CAGs can start divvying up the games then. I call Smash Bros. I CALL SMASH BROS. I will hunt you DOWN if I find out anyone else bought it.
Don't worry, single-disc multiplayer is only one of the announcements. It'll be the first one to get the weakness out of the way so the real excitement can be built up for fact that... well, I've said enough.

He is watching.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7719/reggierevcrop5ih.jpg
You can wait 5 more days.

[SpazX]

I've figured it out. The Wii will support single-disc multiplayer over WiFi, a la the DS.

This is because it will be too expensive to buy all the launch titles, so they allow you to split costs with friends and still play multiplayer. I buy 10, my other friend buys 10, we can play all 20.
That actually sounds somewhat reasonable, would suck for people with 56k though :-P.

The problem of course is just that between DSes there is a high-speed connection doing nothing but transferring that data (perhaps 10 or so mb per second, much faster than what you're going to get even with a good broadband modem) and there isn't much data to transfer since the entire game is something like 128mb and all that doesn't have to be transferred. A Wii game will probably be around 4-6gb and your best transfer rate would probably be about 300kb/s so if you had to dl around 200mb to play the multiplayer it would take you around 15 minutes at best before you can play.

Sorry for being the negative nancy here :-P.

[Strell]

bla bla bla logical reasoning bla bla bla

YEA NANCY, STFU UP.

:(

[jer7583]

playable smash bros is almost a guaranteed.

[Dr Mario Kart]

The single disc multiplayer over Wifi would be a rather high bandwidth solution, which seems to be the thing they want to avoid, not that its THEIR bandwidth.

Also, theres not a lot of memory to hold the demo, unless its small.

Its certainly in the realm of possibility though.

[botticus]

The single disc multiplayer over Wifi would be a rather high bandwidth solution, which seems to be the thing they want to avoid, not that its THEIR bandwidth.

Also, theres not a lot of memory to hold the demo, unless its small.

Its certainly in the realm of possibility though.
NANCY
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[Foolman]

Don't worry, single-disc multiplayer is only one of the announcements. It'll be the first one to get the weakness out of the way so the real excitement can be built up for fact that... well, I've said enough.

He is watching.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7719/reggierevcrop5ih.jpg
You can wait 5 more days.

I'm totally using that as my avatar.

[botticus]

I'm totally using that as my avatar.
Dr. Mario Kart's wish comes to fruition.

[-Never4ever-]

I can't say that I'm fully onboard with your ideas, Strelly Boy, but it's interesting.

The Wii is the first console, EVER, that I'll get at launch (and I've been in teh gamez since the NES). I've always wait for a certain console to prove itself worthy of my money. One way or another, Nintendo is going to bring an experience unknown to video games with the Wii. Maybe it'll suck ass. I hope not, but it might. But, since the DS has more than proven itself to live up to its potential, and now even 3rd parties like Ubisoft and EA are showing that they are respecting the Wii (note, these two companies brought us the wonders of King Kong and Burnout on the DS respectively), I'm in at launch and am sure it'll be one heck of a ride. I no longer have time/money/patience to play the same crap over and over. It's either something new or I'm more or less done with gaming.

E3 can't come soon enough. It's gonna be a fun time.

Ironically enough, it will the first home console I buy at launch as well.

Honesty, I buying the Wii for two reasons: 1) Virtual Console 2) New Smash Bros. It could come with a flying, shit tossing spider monkey for all I care.