Sony E3 Press Conference Discussion - Price & Date Revealed!

[Quillion]

Honestly, I would have been surprised before about seeing a price. I don't know why they wouldn't release a date other than wanting to do them at the same time. But now after the $500-$600 bomb, if they come in at $200 max, they would get a serious high off of that.

I need to get up early and pack a lunch and a few cans of pop so I can get in early and get work taken care of so I can have a leisurely lunch attempting to listen to their conference.

I'm glad the 360 doesn't include HD DVD support (since now I know that will be my second console thanks to Sony); I'm not going for HD DVD or Blu Ray, but the smartest idea would be getting a standalone combo (BD and HD) player, which will have to exist at some point. No way I'm spending hundreds of dollars on a format that has a chance of dying out very quickly.

I doubt you'll see a combo version. They actually use different lasers. Plus the companies involved would have nothing to gain by producing a combination. Just my opinion.

[Dr Mario Kart]

he cheaper version:
- No built-in Wi-fi
- No HDMI port
- No Memory Stick slot
- No SD card slot
- No Compact Flash slot
- 20GB hard drive

Where is this information from?

[Apossum]

...at the 360's current price. But I'd gladly pay that for a format that has a better chance at being around 2 years down the road.

I guess we'll see which one sticks around (or both) but even with a $100 price drop, the games still don't take advantage of it, which makes all the difference.
And the $500 ps3 is the way to go, so it's still equal.

[daroga]

I've gotta wonder what on earth they were thinking with that controller. You've got to do it all the way or no way. The 3 axis motion sensitivty is pretty crude, it won't offer the fine touch of the Wii, and then taking out the rumble functions, it will be viewed as a step backward by the general consumer. Not different enough to be new, not enough the same to be tried-and-true.

Setting it up in the Dual Shock design is just asking developers to ignore that it has motion sensing capabilites as well. With the Wii you've got to do something with that controller. This? It would be chepaer and easier to just make a normal game--especially when you're looking at highly expensive development costs in the first place.

This'll be an interesting console war. Will the mindless masses with endless back accounts make this a success?

[FriskyTanuki]

Since the other thread seems dead: Where can I watch the Sony press conference? Nobody seems to have it up for viewing. I'd like to watch it tonight if it's possible.

[jer7583]

Not only is the controller the retarded cousin of the Wiimote, they didn't even freaking change the design from the original Dual Shock!! absurd!

[RelentlessRolento]

PSP = Dead?


actually no. Tommorow and the next day is when you'll get alot of PSP meat.

[whoknows]

Not only is the controller the retarded cousin of the Wiimote, they didn't even freaking change the design from the original Dual Shock!! absurd!
Why should they change it? Dualshock is easily up there in one of the best controllers ever...why fix something that isnt broken?

[Kayden]

sicks hundad dollah!? :puke:

[Reality's Fringe]

MAde a new sig for the occassion, kind of big, but it gets the point across. Tonight was gold.

[GizmoGC]

actually no. Tommorow and the next day is when you'll get alot of PSP meat.

Why? Nintendo does 'dual' Console/Handheld confrences...why not Sony? Too much greatness in 2 hours? :lol:

[jalu6]

So, did they announce X-squad 2 as a launch title?

[botticus]

I doubt you'll see a combo version. They actually use different lasers. Plus the companies involved would have nothing to gain by producing a combination. Just my opinion.
Well, you saw VHS/DVD players, so I would envision it as two drives. Certainly it was different as that was a transition between formats, and this is two simultaneous ones, but I'm sure there are plenty of electronics companies that don't care which format wins, especially the crappy ones like Emerson and whatnot. Whether or not it happens, the point is I wouldn't be paying $1000 for a BD player, or even $500 for a HD player, with a chance of the format not lasting.

[GizmoGC]

So, did they announce X-squad 2 as a launch title?

Yeah...along with Fantavision 2.

[Reality's Fringe]

Get that internal 20GB harddrive while you can, fellas. It's a deal that won't last!

[Kayden]

Yeah...along with Fantavision 2.

Did you actually play Fantavision 1? Don't let its first generation and $5 status fool you, its a colorful fun game.

[RelentlessRolento]

Why? Nintendo does 'dual' Console/Handheld confrences...why not Sony? Too much greatness in 2 hours? :lol:

:lol: yeah I guess... PSP is mainly getting very good 3rd party support, so that's my reasoning.

[CappyCobra]

MAde a new sig for the occassion, kind of big, but it gets the point across. Tonight was gold.
Your sig says it will be doing 4d. The 4th dimension is time. So you're saying that the PS3 will have longer load times? Stupendous!8-)

[Grave_Addiction]

The PSP will be fine.

It's the PS3 that everyone needs to worry about.

[trip1eX]

No rumble in the PS3 controller.

[jer7583]

No rumble in the PS3 controller.

QFT

[daphatty]

The PSP will be fine.

It's the PS3 that everyone needs to worry about.

Agreed! I felt like someone ripped out my heart when Kaz announced the PS3 prices. I'm probably going to call my local gamestop in the morning and pre-order one anyway, but I'm not all too happy about it.

[Foolman]

I need some clarification on the PS1 games for PSP. You use a card called the Playstation Card (which retails $50) to buy PS1 games (did they say how many?) to download on to a memory stick. Is that right?

[Reality's Fringe]

Your sig says it will be doing 4d. The 4th dimension is time. So you're saying that the PS3 will have longer load times? Stupendous!8-)

Hey, it was Kutaragi's quote, not mine :lol:

[GizmoGC]

No rumble in the PS3 controller.


Welcome to 50 minutes ago :roll: 8-)

[Mr. Anderson]

Haha, sorry Sony, your fucked.

[peteloaf]

No rumble in the PS3 controller.

I'm probably the only person in the world who thinks that is a GOOD thing...

[GizmoGC]

I need some clarification on the PS1 games for PSP. You use a card called the Playstation Card (which retails $50) to buy PS1 games (did they say how many?) to download on to a memory stick. Is that right?

Must have missed the 25 second blurb on the PSP.
I think the N-Gage conference will be better.

[jer7583]

Haha, sorry Sony, your fucked.

QFT, again.

PARADIGM SHIFT IN INDUSTRY.....NOW

[Genocidal]

At least with the Xbox 360 Core you could upgrade it to be the same as a premium. Not sure how the consumer would be able to add-on the Wifi and card readers for PS3 unless they use some ugly ass external add-on scheme.

[whoknows]

Haha, sorry Sony, your fucked.
Elaborate on how please with valid points on how no one will buy one.

Thanks

[gaelan]

looks like another money maker...for me to ebay on.

[peteloaf]

At least with the Xbox 360 Core you could upgrade it to be the same as a premium. Not sure how the consumer would be able to add-on the Wifi and card readers for PS3 unless they use some ugly ass external add-on scheme.

Bingo! - it's the start of a double edged sword, every bit of crap like this is one less reason for people to avoid PC gaming - the compatibility issue, more computer savy people, more confusing consoles, good news for PC dev's - specifically casual gamers who will just stick to web brower games.

Also how big is Nintendo's bonner right now with the one version of the revolution and the estimated $200-$300 dollar price point?

[Dr Mario Kart]

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[Grave_Addiction]

Agreed! I felt like someone ripped out my heart when Kaz announced the PS3 prices. I'm probably going to call my local gamestop in the morning and pre-order one anyway, but I'm not all too happy about it.

Sony is doing something very similar to what Microsoft did.

They are making their "budget" system so spectacularly shitty that no one will want one and instead will opt to buy the $600 version.

Just imagine what you'll be spending at launch.

- Sony PS3 - $660 (Including tax)
- Extra controller - $40
- A game - $60

- Total - $775 (After taxes)

That is fuckin' insane!!! Sure, these things will sell moderately well when they launch. Maybe they'll even sell out of their initial shipment, but sales will take a nose dive after the holiday season.

Gamers are very irritated that their games have gone from $50 to $60. How do you think the majority will react to their systems going from around $300 to $600?

Sony is playing a dangerous game by pricing the PS3 so high. I think this will come back to haunt them big time. Expect Sony to slash at least $100 off the PS3 within the first six months.

[Grave_Addiction]

Elaborate on how please with valid points on how no one will buy one.

Thanks

Uhhh, how about this one - IT'S FUCKING 600 DAMN DOLLARS!

[Apossum]

the $600 version looks useless to me. it's a little too cutting edge. I don't want a media center that plays music and has a huge HDD. that's what my PC is for. There is no extra gaming enjoyment to be had with HDMI, memory card slots and built in wireless.

one last time: if sony didn't have the 3rd party support and sheer power, i'd be nowhere near this thing.

[daphatty]

http://pages.infinit.net/shadowld/no.gif

This picture speaks volumes!

[botticus]

That is fuckin' insane!!! Sure, these things will sell moderately well when they launch. Maybe they'll even sell out of their initial shipment, but sales will take a nose dive after the holiday season.

Gamers are very irritated that their games have gone from $50 to $60. How do you think the majority will react to their systems going from around $300 to $600?

Sony is playing a dangerous game by pricing the PS3 so high. I think this will come back to haunt them big time. Expect Sony to slash at least $100 off the PS3 within the first six months.
Unfortunately, daphatty (no offense intended here - you just illustrated my point) is the reason they might be able to get away with it. They probably sat in their conference room and said "Well, people will hate $600... but they will pay it anyway!" and laughed all the way to E3. It just depends on how many people will pay the $600. Will it be 100 million? I tend to doubt it.

[whoknows]

http://pages.infinit.net/shadowld/no.gif
You go to www.ytmnd.com too huh?

Uhhh, how about this one - IT'S FUCKING 600 DAMN DOLLARS!
Yeah...thats really not going to stop anyone that wants one. I myself am going for the $500 version since I want it to PLAY games on, not upload stuff off the memory stick and all that.

[Apossum]

that pic is fucking hilarious!!

but seriously, the $599 premium is the new core. but hey, if you like karaoke and need that extra HDMI sharpness and a ton of memory card ports...

[evilmax17]

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/060509ae.pdf

Dunno if it's been posted yet (probably has).

$500 version loses HDMI out, Memory stick slot, and wi-fi capability.

Also, PS3 controllers won't rumble.

[Foolman]

http://pages.infinit.net/shadowld/no.gif

Man, you guys are fast.

[jer7583]

Uhhh, how about this one - IT'S FUCKING 600 DAMN DOLLARS!

QFT.

This will be JUST like the PSP launch. The price will drive away lots of sony fans and systems will linger on shelves for months. Anyone remember that? The store i worked for at the time which was in the middle of a fairly small town on the outskirts of milwaukee had 30+ psp's from about april (or whenever launch was) until well past July, when they were distributed to a few other stores..

[Grave_Addiction]

You go to www.ytmnd.com (http://www.ytmnd.com) too huh?


Yeah...thats really not going to stop anyone that wants one. I myself am going for the $500 version since I want it to PLAY games on, not upload stuff off the memory stick and all that.

How is that not going to stop anyone who wants one? I don't know what kind of fairy land you live in, but the majority of the American population doesn't have the expendable income to go and blow close to $1,000 on a video game system, a controller and a couple of games.

I'm sure many people will want one, but they will not be able to afford it.

Shit, I want a God damn Dodge Viper, but the last time I looked, there's a fucking 1991 Eagle Talon sitting in my driveway. And it ain't getting any prettier.

[crazytalkx]

No rumble=salt in the Wii plagarizing wound

[Apossum]

Okay, let's forget about the price and focus on how the MGS4 and Heavenly Sword trailers looked amazing.

*dodges apples, bottles and other projectiles*

[megaseadramon]

Sony is doing something very similar to what Microsoft did.

They are making their "budget" system so spectacularly shitty that no one will want one and instead will opt to buy the $600 version.

Just imagine what you'll be spending at launch.

- Sony PS3 - $660 (Including tax)
- Extra controller - $40
- A game - $60

- Total - $775 (After taxes)

That is fuckin' insane!!! Sure, these things will sell moderately well when they launch. Maybe they'll even sell out of their initial shipment, but sales will take a nose dive after the holiday season.

Gamers are very irritated that their games have gone from $50 to $60. How do you think the majority will react to their systems going from around $300 to $600?

Sony is playing a dangerous game by pricing the PS3 so high. I think this will come back to haunt them big time. Expect Sony to slash at least $100 off the PS3 within the first six months.


Don't forget to add on an HDTV. Playing the PS3 on a normal TV will just take away from it and make it look like crap.

[daphatty]

Unfortunately, daphatty (no offense intended here - you just illustrated my point) is the reason they might be able to get away with it. They probably sat in their conference room and said "Well, people will hate $600... but they will pay it anyway!" and laughed all the way to E3. It just depends on how many people will pay the $600. Will it be 100 million? I tend to doubt it.

I don't mind being the guinea pig (or in this case the guy everyone points and laughs at) but for the record, besides the fact that I am a Sony fan, I actually have the money to spend on this system. If I could walk into Gamestop tomorrow and pay for it in full I would but alas, I'll be on a plane headed to E3 so the credit card reserve will have to suffice.

In all seriousness, I am disappointed in the price, I am disappointed in the lack of rumble, I'm not really thrilled with the whole 4D(nintendo ripoff) controller thing, and I could care less about memory stick ports. The only things that make the $600 version worth purchasing to me are the larger hard drive (which everyone will agree is needed in the 360) and the built-in Wi-Fi.

And don't forget, you are also getting a Blu-Ray player that is probably half the cost of a standalone. While Blu-Ray may not be important to you, it certainly is important to those audio/video-philes who stand to actually SAVE money by purchasing a PS3 instead of a standalone.

[Apossum]

360 premium + Blu-ray = PS3 core.

so funny how something can look featureless, yet the other system sitting right next to it looks like this amazing, full featured deal :roll:

[markholladay]

The Stream is up on Gamespot now.

[Dr Mario Kart]

360 premium + Blu-ray = PS3 core.

so funny how something can look featureless, yet the other system sitting right next to it looks like this amazing, full featured deal :roll:

Its all about options. I dont want a complete home entertainment solution. I just want a basic game machine. I dont want to be forced into buying things with options that I dont need.

I dont want a hard drive, I dont want online play, I dont want media features.

I just want a disc that you stick in and play.

[mykevermin]

I just finished up my second "Free PS3" online pyramid scheme thing last week.

I'll be broken-hearted if they want to send me the watered-down plebian version. Then again, worst-case scenario, I can sell both of the crummy ones for one of the "Tom Selleck" ('coz he's all classy) versions and a few games.

Granted, y'inz who actually preorder it will get it far faster than me (case in point, my stupid pyramid scheme 360 just arrived 3-4 weeks ago).

Is $600 too much? I dunno, we just survived an economic year in which the average American's savings was in the negative - we certainly can't continue to mimic our government like that. We have the bill collectors that they currently lack. Good luck to those of you seeking one around launch.

And fuck off to those dipshits looking at this as a short-term investment strategy. Read a fucking newspaper.

[Roufuss]

And fuck off to those dipshits looking at this as a short-term investment strategy. Read a fucking newspaper.

Because it will work? Because it's a quick way to make a few bucks? Because there are idiots out there who are too lazy to wait in line at launch, and will gladly pay a premium to have it shipped to their house from someone else?

[js1]

To Reality's fringe , your sigs are fucking awesome!:applause: I like the one you just made ,and the previous one.

Now about sony, I'm not surprised the the ps3 is 600.00, but I'm very dissapointed that they went the 360 route and have two systems, and the they just flat out copied nintendo, and to a lesser extent xbox 360.

I think the systems will sell at 600, but not too long after the holidays, until some good games start to come out for it.(or the big sequals DMC4, RE5, MGS4 FFXIII etc..)

I think they will(have to) do something like a small $10-20.00 price drop(nickel and dime em' baby!) , when a AAA title comes out like MGS4.

I love gaming, and sony has had great systems(for the games/I've personally had too many problems W/sony hardware)

But I cannot see myself paying that kind of money for a game console/blu-ray player, It's not that I don't want the ps3(MGS4 is one of my most wanted games period!) But I literally can't afford something that high!(with bills, kids, etc..) I still need to get a nice HDTV first.

So I will have to wait a few years and wait and see, and in the meanwhile , I will keep enjoying my ps2, ds etc..

And I am very interested to see what nintendo has instore with the Wii,if it's just as awesome(game wise) as the DS I'm sold!(because I know the price won't be six fucking hundred dollars!)

[Apossum]

Its all about options. I dont want a complete home entertainment solution. I just want a basic game machine. I dont want to be forced into buying things with options that I dont need.

I dont want a hard drive, I dont want online play, I dont want media features.

I just want a disc that you stick in and play.


yeah, same here. but all the 3rd party games I like happen to be on this asshole-zaibatsu's console. it is possible to be a gamer who likes newer, prettier graphics, tight gameplay and not a hardcore nintendo fan. It's hard to conceive with everything being completely polarized in the gamer community, but it happens. my comment was to put it into perspective for those who think the $500 version is missing anything necessary for it to perform nicely as a game console.

And off to those dipshits looking at this as a short-term investment strategy. Read a fucking newspaper.

okay...and you had to do 2 ps3 special offers for what good reason? ;)

meh, this thread is hopeless...the wii presentation will be more fruitful. good night cag!

[gaelan]

did they say anything about blu ray games or movies? did they mention their launch line up or the online service?

[Chris in Cali]

The state of gaming is kind of getting sad now. Nintendo really does have the right idea with the Wii, all this other stuff is just getting out of control.

[$hady]

Major Details Revealed!

Launch Date & Price
Nov 17th USA
20gb - $499
60gb - $599

Nov 11th JAPAN
20gb - 59800yen
60gb - retailers set price

The cheaper version:
- No built-in Wi-fi
- No HDMI port
- No Memory Stick slot
- No SD card slot
- No Compact Flash slot
- 20GB hard drive


Controllers are motion sensitive and look like PS2 controllers



:drool::hot: $500 for the CHEAP version!??

I'll just have a 360, GC, DS then re-buy myself a PS2 near the PS3 launch and probably a Wii. No way i'll pay $500 for another system. UNLESS I win one like I did my 360, if I do win one i'll sell it right away for this price! :cry:

[seanr1221]

600.00 eh? I'll get a PS3 when PS4 comes out at that rate.

[XxFuRy2Xx]

This is TOTAL weaksauce. I can't believe they got rid of the rumble function, it's an industry standard by now. I rather have the vibrating function than those retarded motion sensors. I am definitely re-thinking my purchase after discovering this.

[daroga]

For anyone who wants a little compairson of the DualShock3 and the Wiimote, IGN's got ya covered:

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/705/705870p1.html

[RelentlessRolento]

For anyone who wants a little compairson of the DualShock3 and the Wiimote, IGN's got ya covered:

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/705/705870p1.html

good comparison.

[sweetcags]

hmm.. so everyone thinks that ps3 wont be out like the xbox360s on the first day? because i dont want to pre-order a ps3 if i dont have to.

[RelentlessRolento]

MGS4 goodness in good resolution:

http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=1743

[Dr Mario Kart]

hmm.. so everyone thinks that ps3 wont be out like the xbox360s on the first day? because i dont want to pre-order a ps3 if i dont have to.

no, it will be. 2 million for a worldwide launch is tiny. So is 4 million by the end of the year. 2 million would be enough for just North America.

[dafoomie]

If I can buy a 360 and a Revolution for what a PS3 costs, I won't have a difficult decision to make in November.

[RelentlessRolento]

just as a note to MGS4: Otacon looks even more badass than before and Meryle just went up in the hotness scale.

[crazytalkx]

just as a note to MGS4: Otacon looks even more badass than before and Meryle just went up in the hotness scale.

The new trailer.......wow.......just wow, seriously no other word for it...damn PS3 price....hurts me that much more.

[secretvampire]

Jesus. Welcome to third place, Sony. I am not a fanboy, and I love the PS2, but I will be waiting for a price drop on the PS3 and I haven't done that for a console in a looooong time. They just fucking blew it all around.

[RelentlessRolento]

Jesus. Welcome to third place, Sony. I am not a fanboy, and I love the PS2, but I will be waiting for a price drop on the PS3 and I haven't done that for a console in a looooong time. They just fucking blew it all around.


more like 2nd place... M$ did a worse job last year than sony this year.

[gunm]

The pricetag effectively locks me out of any hope of getting a PS3 (not that the wife would tolerate me getting another game system anyways).

[Zoglog]

It seems some people don't realize how new Bluray technology is...............

bottom line is, if you think it's too expensive, stop whining and just don't buy it. I personally find it not so bad for the price. The only negs i've seen so far is that they've kept the same analog format and the cost from 20 to 60gb is way too expensive. Besides that I don't mind paying 500 for a damn Blu ray player that can play Ps3 games =p.

[Grave_Addiction]

It's hilarious how Phil Harrison blasted Microsoft for shipping two SKUs, and now look what Sony is doing.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=11209

[joeposh]

:rofl: at the ending song. Cheesy Chemical Brothers, oh you ;)

Oh the irony... "dig your own hole" indeed

[Zoglog]

Most people who are whining about the price are just people who can't afford the console. Otherwise why would they care so much? And the people whinning about how they are ripping off the wii? wii ripped it off gyroscopic mice which were here long before. Hell they ripped touchscreen from PDAs =p. Who cares..............................

Anyway apparently you people don't realize that expensive gadgets don't die easily because they are expensive (and especially not ones with such huge market share and popularity). Just think about Hyundai --> Lexus =p.

[RelentlessRolento]

It seems some people don't realize how new Bluray technology is...............

bottom line is, if you think it's too expensive, stop whining and just don't buy it. I personally find it not so bad for the price. The only negs i've seen so far is that they've kept the same analog format and the cost from 20 to 60gb is way too expensive. Besides that I don't mind paying 500 for a damn Blu ray player that can play Ps3 games =p.

Well, as the internet has proven, when any news about something big there's bound to be tons of bitching.

But I think you said it pretty good: if you want new technology, you gotta pay for it. Plus, the price is pretty damn good. It's cheaper than a high end graphical computer and is even more powerful. Also, it's pretty much an entire entertainment system in a small package.

[secretvampire]

Most people who are whining about the price are just people who can't afford the console. Otherwise why would they care so much? And the people whinning about how they are ripping off the wii? wii ripped it off gyroscopic mice which were here long before. Hell they ripped touchscreen from PDAs =p. Who cares..............................

Anyway apparently you people don't realize that expensive gadgets don't die easily because they are expensive (and especially not ones with such huge market share and popularity). Just think about Hyundai --> Lexus =p.
That is the stupidest arguement ever. Sony hardly has a history of producing "Lexus" hardware, in fact they have a terrible reputation. I can afford one just fine but I'm not a fucking moron with my money.

[Grave_Addiction]

It seems some people don't realize how new Bluray technology is...............

bottom line is, if you think it's too expensive, stop whining and just don't buy it. I personally find it not so bad for the price. The only negs i've seen so far is that they've kept the same analog format and the cost from 20 to 60gb is way too expensive. Besides that I don't mind paying 500 for a damn Blu ray player that can play Ps3 games =p.

First off, we have a right to whine. It's what we gamers inherently do.

Secondly, while the PS3 as a Blue Ray player is cheap, it's insanely expensive as a video game console. Because of this, it will turn off many potential PS3 buyers who are looking at it for its gaming abilities.

Who knows, maybe all the people who are looking for cheap Blue Ray players will pick up the slack for the gamers who refuse to spend $500-$600 on a new console.

However, I just don't see this happening. While the HD industry is booming, I don't think it's at a point right now to successfully support $600-$1,000 movie players.

[Dr Mario Kart]

We can do both whining about it AND not buying it. In fact, that will be just the case for many.

[Zoglog]

small correction, 600 for a damn blu ray player, apparently according to the PDF u need to buy the 600 for the HDMI. I guess that explains the price difference. If they support DVI through the multi AV I might still consider the 500. But likewise bluray players are still on preorder for 999.

I find it amusing how it went from 2 HDMI back down to 1 HDMI. Oh sony you dumb bastards =) Always goin back.

and Secret vampire even though many of us realize how shitty Sony products are, they still have strong brand name recognition for quality.

[seanr1221]

Yes it is a cheap Blu-ray player, but how ready is the typical American for Blu-Ray?

The difference between DVD and VHS was obvious. However, imagine the casual person trying to figure out Blu-ray.

"So like...the disk holds more? And movies will be clearer...but I will have to get a new TV? Why can't I just go out and buy a dvd player for 70.00 instead again?"

I just dont see Blu-ray OR HDdvd taking off with the casual audience any time soon.

[CoffeeEdge]

fuck SONY.

[cheapbrass]

Sony's price point is BRILLIANT. There is bound to be shortages when the system initially comes out. Simple economics. Demand will be greater than supply. Yes, even at a $600 price point. Look at all the ebayers that are able to sell new systems (ie. when ps2 & xbox360 came out) at approx the same $600 price. Once the initial fervor dies down and all the buyers who's price point is $600 have purchased a PS3...then sony drops the price a bit...and plays the same game again...until the PS3 finally settles in at a reasonable price for the average consumer.

[jer7583]

PS3- For extreme videophile nerds to get a cheap blue ray player and play some games

360- for mainstream gamers who want good graphics but not paying $600 for a PS3. Also for the Online gaming crowd.

Wii- For the true gamers looking for a fun, unique, gaming only experience.

This is what it's going to boil down to.

[Genocidal]

If the general public sees Sony dropping prices fast and often, what will they think? I'd imagine something along the lines of "this product is a failure" which will steer people away from a purchase.

[Zoglog]

Yes it is a cheap Blu-ray player, but how ready is the typical American for Blu-Ray?

The difference between DVD and VHS was obvious. However, imagine the casual person trying to figure out Blu-ray.

"So like...the disk holds more? And movies will be clearer...but I will have to get a new TV? Why can't I just go out and buy a dvd player for 70.00 instead again?"

I just dont see Blu-ray OR HDdvd taking off with the casual audience any time soon.

plenty of people have HDTVs and they are quite affordable. The problem is the gap in quality. with bluray you're esentially skipping from VGA (640x480) when a movie is in 4:3 straight the 1080p. a 1080p bluray will look leaps and bounds better than a DVD even on a 1366x768 TV. even 1080p lcd tvs are mildly cheap. The westinghouse 42" 1080p LCD TV w/ HDMI and 2 DVI's is 2499. By next year it'll be around 1499 at most. a 37" 1080p LCD you can get now for 1299. This is all of course unless you want to go off and buy an Aquos or a Sony Bravia. Either way the technology is becoming more and more affordable. CRTs are already way low in price. one of my coworkers got a 37" CRT HDTV for only 400. Not bad. Either way this is all early adoption and there are plenty of early adopters out there. And with a price like 600 where I get the ps3 and blu ray in 1 combo, it's enough to make a median consumerist like me jump the fence.

[Grave_Addiction]

small correction, 600 for a damn blu ray player, apparently according to the PDF u need to buy the 600 for the HDMI. I guess that explains the price difference. If they support DVI through the multi AV I might still consider the 500. But likewise bluray players are still on preorder for 999.
I really don't understand the arguement that the PS3 is a good deal because stand alone Blu Ray players cost $1,000. Think about it for a second.

IT'S $1,000 FUCKIN' DOLLARS FOR A MOVIE PLAYER!!!! It's so insanely overpriced that only dumbshits would buy one anyway.

Who gives a shit if you save a few hundred bucks by buying a PS3? You're still paying way too much damn money for a piece of equipment from a company who doesn't exactly have a glowing track record for hardware quality.

I can understand from a business standpoint why Sony is pricing their system high. They just don't want to lose too much money.

But from a consumer standpoint, I think it's priced way out of the average gamer's budget.

How does Sony plan to get a stranglehold on the hardware market by outpricing themselves out of competition? Especially when a high-end Xbox 360 is $200 cheaper than a high-end PS3. Plus, Microsoft has plenty of time to slash a good $50 off the 360's price tag.

I think the PS3 is going to be a massive failure for Sony. Yes, it will sell as a Blu Ray player, but it will not, and I mean will not, sell enough to rival the Xbox 360 or Wii in terms of numbers.

And what will happen if and when Nintendo and Microsoft have millions and millions of more systems in gamer's homes? Third-party developers are going to leave Sony with their pants down and their dick in their hands, because that's the exact same thing the developers did with Nintendo.

The developers will flock to whichever system has the highest market share.

With Sony overpricing themselves out of the average gamer's budget, it's just not plausible that they will outsell Microsoft or Nintendo. And when that happens, it will start a domino effect that could ultimately lead to Sony leaving the hardware industry.

[Zoglog]

PS3- For extreme videophile nerds to get a cheap blue ray player and play some games

360- for mainstream gamers who want good graphics but not paying $600 for a PS3. Also for the Online gaming crowd.

Wii- For the true gamers looking for a fun, unique, gaming only experience.

This is what it's going to boil down to.

No that's what your own opinion is.

You don't have to be an extreme videophile to enjoy 1080p movies. Also you forget Final Fantasy is enough to get some people to save up to get it. 360 is good not only for mainstream people but also for the FFXI MMO crowd in Japan who don't have PCs. Also there are plenty of people who are hardcore gamers who like the 360. Calling the Wii for true gamers is rediculous. The whole purpose of wii is to call in casual gamers and sorry to say NOT so "unique" gaming expeirence. Also you forgot the Wii attracts more younger audiences with the pokemon franchise and lower price point. there are plenty of "true gamers" out there that would prefer the play the wii in HD. Your generalizations reek of fanboyism

Also if anyone noticed MS' recent stock prices after the quarterly report losses due to the cost for 360 propogation..... Sony is in much worse financial shape after taking a big beating in the CE area.

"Value" is relative people.

[Ma12kez]

I just got home and this is awesome news to finally have a confirmed launch date. Thanks Cheapy!

[Grave_Addiction]

Sony's price point is BRILLIANT. There is bound to be shortages when the system initially comes out. Simple economics. Demand will be greater than supply. Yes, even at a $600 price point. Look at all the ebayers that are able to sell new systems (ie. when ps2 & xbox360 came out) at approx the same $600 price. Once the initial fervor dies down and all the buyers who's price point is $600 have purchased a PS3...then sony drops the price a bit...and plays the same game again...until the PS3 finally settles in at a reasonable price for the average consumer.

If you believe that for even two seconds, I feel sorry for you. The public relations backlash that is sure to happen in the coming days, weeks and months is no where near worth what you suggested.

[jer7583]

Sony leaving the hardware industry is a bit presumptuous, considering their current lofty position, but there's no way they're going to be 1st in anything this coming generation.

The real question is will they fall to just 2nd, or will they drop to 3rd place? I think the 360 has fulfilled PS3's place in the market much better and for lower cost. It all depends on the success of the Wii.

[Grave_Addiction]

Sony leaving the hardware industry is a bit presumptuous, considering their current lofty position, but there's no way they're going to be 1st in anything this coming generation.

The real question is will they fall to just 2nd, or will they drop to 3rd place? I think the 360 has fulfilled PS3's place in the market much better and for lower cost. It all depends on the success of the Wii.

I didn't say they'd leave the hardware industry if the PS3 failed. I said it could start the wheels turning for it to happen.

[jer7583]

No that's what your own opinion is.

You don't have to be an extreme videophile to enjoy 1080p movies. Also you forget Final Fantasy is enough to get some people to save up to get it. 360 is good not only for mainstream people but also for the FFXI MMO crowd in Japan who don't have PCs. Also there are plenty of people who are hardcore gamers who like the 360. Calling the Wii for true gamers is rediculous. The whole purpose of wii is to call in casual gamers and sorry to say NOT so "unique" gaming expeirence. Also you forgot the Wii attracts more younger audiences with the pokemon franchise and lower price point. there are plenty of "true gamers" out there that would prefer the play the wii in HD.



You are living in a FANTASY world if you think many people will pay for a new player, a new TV, and new movies to watch sharper versions of movies.

And yes, the Wii is for people who, wether they know it or not yet, are looking for a pure gaming experience. The 360 is a mixture of multimedia, gaming, and online functions.

And boiling the Wii down to the pokemon franchise is generalization and fanboyism. Thanks for playing.

[jer7583]

I didn't say they'd leave the hardware industry if the PS3 failed. I said it could start the wheels turning for it to happen.

true. Not like sony's arrogance would allow them to reverse the path they're on once they see their decline. They will charge ahead and tell gamers what they want to the bitter end.

[Zoglog]

Sony still holds the major franchise exclusives for Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, God of War, Gran Turismo, and Grand theft auto.................

Thinking they're just going to dissapear because the console is expensive is just naive. For a bunch of people who like to tout that it's "about the games"...... you sure are ignoring that factor.

And boiling the Wii down to the pokemon franchise is generalization and fanboyism. Thanks for playing.

And unlike you my challenged friend, I did not make it a 1 line say for all. It was only one of the aspects I pointed out in wii. If you want to challenge me go ahead and show me that pokemon game not for nintendo. My friend works for pokemon and is staffing the Nintendo press conference... HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. Your defensiveness for somone who calls the wii anything potentially kiddy is an obvious indication

[Grave_Addiction]

Sony still holds the major franchise exclusives for Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, God of War, Gran Turismo, and Grand theft auto.................

Thinking they're just going to dissapear because the console is expensive is just naive. For a bunch of people who like to tout that it's "about the games"...... you sure are ignoring that factor.
The last time I checked, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy and Grand Theft Auto weren't Sony exclusives.

[Zoglog]

The last time I checked, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy and Grand Theft Auto weren't Sony exclusives.

"major franchise exclusives "

I thought u'd be able to understand but I guess I have to clarify. by exclusive I mean they get it exclusively for launch. Where is MGS3 for xbox or nintendo? I'm sorry but Twin snakes does not replace MGS3 or 4. Neither does FF Crystal Chroni compete directly with FFX or FFXII. Do you see the point =p? And getting GTA a year after it's already been on the Sony console....... there you go ;)

GTA 4, MGS4, and FFXIII have all only been announced ONLY for the PS3,

existing market share and ongoing relationships are a powerful thing.

[Apossum]

cag is just going to be all out flame wars for the next week or two, isn't it?

[dafoomie]

I really don't understand the arguement that the PS3 is a good deal because stand alone Blu Ray players cost $1,000. Think about it for a second.

IT'S $1,000 FUCKIN' DOLLARS FOR A MOVIE PLAYER!!!! It's so insanely overpriced that only dumbshits would buy one anyway.
I think for that reason, HD-DVD will win out if either one does, but they could both fail. HD-DVD is much cheaper, you can buy a standalone today for $500, PC drives are slated to be around $100. Plus, HD-DVD movies will play on standard DVD drives, obviously not in HD, but you wouldn't even have to have separate releases, just release it in HD-DVD and it'll work in a standard DVD player. When the consumer wants a new player down the line, they have a lot less of their movie collection to replace.

Thats the other thing that'll jeopardize this whole thing. People don't want to replace their movie collections. VHS to DVD was a major shift, VHS casettes had become very expensive themselves, DVD movies were cheaper in many cases.

I just don't see people throwing away their DVDs like they did with their VHS tapes, no matter how much Toshiba or Sony want it.

[Grave_Addiction]

cag is just going to be all out flame wars for the next week or two, isn't it?

Honestly, I don't think it's too bad. Everyone has pretty much kept their cool with their fellow CAGs, and have directed their anger appropriately. Hopefully, this continues and doesn't get ugly.

[seanr1221]

Thats the other thing that'll jeopardize this whole thing. People don't want to replace their movie collections. VHS to DVD was a major shift, VHS casettes had become very expensive themselves, DVD movies were cheaper in many cases.

I just don't see people throwing away their DVDs like they did with their VHS tapes, no matter how much Toshiba or Sony want it.

QF freakin T

This is the point I was trying to make to you Zog.

[Roufuss]

cag is just going to be all out flame wars for the next week or two, isn't it?

Worse then GameFAQ's... people are so stupid with their blind system loyalty.

Play games, not systems... tommorrow, if Nintendo throws down a price for the Wii, it will just be pages of "LOL SCREW SONY WII FOR 200 ROFLZZZ"

I mean, this shit happens every year... people flamed the DS when it was first announced, people ragged all over Microsoft... I don't think any of you are business majors, or know more about the business then the people at Sony, so what's the point of all this? Sure, $500 is a big number, but I'm pretty sure they didn't just pull it out of their ass.

[shipwreck]

Holy shit, the PS3 is going to take forever to drop to a reasonable price for most people. I wonder if there are any figures out there for how many PS2's sold for $300, $200, $150, etc. When this thing is half off it's still going to be the launch price of the PS2! That completely astounds me.

I wasn't planning on buying one at launch, but this pushes back my likely purchase date by quite a bit.

[marten]

Worse then GameFAQ's... people are so stupid with their blind system loyalty.

Play games, not systems... tommorrow, if Nintendo throws down a price for the Wii, it will just be pages of "LOL SCREW SONY WII FOR 200 ROFLZZZ"

I mean, this shit happens every year... people flamed the DS when it was first announced, people ragged all over Microsoft... I don't think any of you are business majors, or know more about the business then the people at Sony, so what's the point of all this? Sure, $500 is a big number, but I'm pretty sure they didn't just pull it out of their ass.

Agreed...they've probably got modeling done for "projected" Blu-Ray in the market come November 2k6, costs vs. the system, and probably how much they can afford to lose per console vs. how much they'll be making per game/accessory.

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if they modeled it a bit after the 360 in terms of loss per unit, and that's what justified the price.

[Apossum]

Honestly, I don't think it's too bad. Everyone has pretty much kept their cool with their fellow CAGs, and have directed their anger appropriately. Hopefully, this continues and doesn't get ugly.


i dunno, gamers are out for blood. everyone's summing each other up and trying to get across that they have the "right" opinion. last year, ms announces their system and everyone wanted them dead. now it's the ps3's turn. if the Wii dominates and Nintendo repeats their N64 mistake somehow, it'll be their turn :lol:

[spoo]

Honestly, I don't think it's too bad. Everyone has pretty much kept their cool with their fellow CAGs, and have directed their anger appropriately. Hopefully, this continues and doesn't get ugly.

I agree CAG is no where as ugly as it was last year with the Xbox 1.5 vs batarang wars. CAG has been civil for the most part this year. One thing all cags can agree on is wanting a cheap ass console. Getting a 360 and Wii for the price of PS3 is crazy.

Also what I don't get about the 2 SKU, can the $500 PS3 be upgraded to become = to the $600 SKU? I can't see being able to upgrade the card readers, HDMI, and the HDD is internal? Also does the PS3 have PS2/PS1 MC slots?

[Roufuss]

i dunno, gamers are out for blood. everyone's summing each other up and trying to get across that they have the "right" opinion. last year, ms announces their system and everyone wanted them dead. now it's the ps3's turn. if the Wii dominates and Nintendo repeats their N64 mistake somehow, it'll be their turn :lol:

Hey, don't forget the DS announcement. "DUAL SCREENS?? IT IS SO STUPID, I ONLY NEED ONE SCREEN, NINTENDO IS DUMB"

[seanr1221]

People just get defensive. I guess no one wants to see the system they invested money into die off due to lack of popularity.

[Genocidal]

Also what I don't get about the 2 SKU, can the $500 PS3 be upgraded to become = to the $600 SKU? I can't see being able to upgrade the card readers, HDMI, and the HDD is internal? Also does the PS3 have PS2/PS1 MC slots?

Probably impossible for your first point, and unless specs have changed, no for your second one.

[Apossum]

Hey, don't forget the DS announcement. "DUAL SCREENS?? IT IS SO STUPID, I ONLY NEED ONE SCREEN, NINTENDO IS DUMB"


OMG PSP, NINTENDO ALREADY WON LOLS

OMG PLAYSTATION, NINTENDO ALREADY WON LOLZ

OMG XBOX, SONY ALREADY WON LOLZ

OMG NES THE VIDEO GAME MARKET CRASHED A FEW YEARS AGO LOLZ

:lol:

[spoo]

Probably impossible for your first point, and unless specs have changed, no for your second one.
:cry: Nope not buying one for a long time now :cry:

[2Fast]

Fanboyism is quite lame indeed, everyone thinks their shit don't stink. I can't say I'm thrilled by the PS3 news however.

[Roufuss]

People just get defensive. I guess no one wants to see the system they invested money into die off due to lack of popularity.

Why get defensive though? If you are buying it at launch, there is at least one game, to you, that justifies that purchase. And with the big three, I don't think any of them are just going to give up on their system and pull a Sega (but still, even the DC had an amazing library of games).

I mean, its hilarious to see people slamming Sony, rushing to the aid of Nintendo, and vice versa... here's a news flash, these companies don't give a shit about you and how you're "defending their honor". You're just dollar signs and marketing gimmicks to them.

I think it's just merely jealousy, because people would probably like to play the games that Sony is showcasing (like MGS 4 and FF 13) but don't want to spend the money to do it. I think the games look awesome, I'll get a ps3, I'll get a Wii too, and if 360 ever gets a game I want I'll get one of those too. Anyone with an ok job can save $500 by November if they really wanted a PS3.

I'm into the games themselves, I could care less about the companies behind the systems.

[marten]

I think it's just merely jealousy, because people would probably like to play the games that Sony is showcasing (like MGS 4 and FF 13) but don't want to spend the money to do it. I think the games look awesome, I'll get a ps3, I'll get a Wii too, and if 360 ever gets a game I want I'll get one of those too. Anyone with an ok job can save $500 by November if they really wanted a PS3.

I'm into the games themselves, I could care less about the companies behind the systems.

Speaking of the games, I shut off the broadcast right before they announced the price...did they mention anything about ballpark figure for the games?

[Roufuss]

Speaking of the games, I shut off the broadcast right before they announced the price...did they mention anything about ballpark figure for the games?

Not yet... I'm thinking $60 probably, but it would be real nice if they decided to still go with $50. It's doubtful, though.

Actually, everyone with a brain should hope Sony and friends goes with $50 games, because that will hopefully force Xbox 360 games to drop from $60 to $50.

[Apossum]

Speaking of the games, I shut off the broadcast right before they announced the price...did they mention anything about ballpark figure for the games?


great question. I'm not expecting anything less than $60, but $50 would be a pleasant surprise.

[marten]

Not yet... I'm thinking $60 probably, but it would be real nice if they decided to still go with $50. It's doubtful, though.

I have this gut feeling we'll be looking at $70 games. Reasoning behind that is this: They'll mark them high, even though a good portion of them should be on DVD (think back to what they said about CD based PS2 games at launch), just so they can recoup their costs when they start putting them on more expensive BD discs.

[shipwreck]

Sony's got to make up the loss they are taking on these systems. Bet your sweet ass that the games will be $60.

[spoo]

For anyone who wants a little compairson of the DualShock3 and the Wiimote, IGN's got ya covered:

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/705/705870p1.html
Thanks for the link but I also just read that the DualShock 3 is without shock??

[seanr1221]

Why get defensive though? If you are buying it at launch, there is at least one game, to you, that justifies that purchase. And with the big three, I don't think any of them are just going to give up on their system and pull a Sega (but still, even the DC had an amazing library of games).

My best guess is it comforts people to feel like the one system they chose is superior to the others, and they will have no buyers remorse for what they spent money on.

[Sulik2]

Wow I thought $500 would be max and no double system. Instead we get 2 systems, $500 min and a $600?!? system.

Sony is pricing this for a blueray player not a game system. Problem is that in the long term its the games that make you money and win the war, not bluray. There is a serious question here of whether or not Sony out pricing the gamers with this system. The small hardcore gamer nitch isn't what makes you money, which is the only gamers who will buy this at launch at this price.

It really is funny, the only way sony's game system is going to succeed is if the people are ravenous to adopt blueray. As it really seems they aren't, not much interest in HDDVD or Blueray it seems. Seriously whats the adoption rate of 1080p hdmi TVs that blueray pushes so hard? Sony has had a 10 yr run of dominance, and history seems to show thats about when there is a major shift in the game industry. This could spell the end of Sony as the #1 in gaming. To much money for a game player, to much invested in people wanting a new format other than DVD. However, if people are ready to adopt a new standard, Sony will mop the floor. Its an interesting gamble, Sony thinks they are, M$ doesn't. We will see what pays off. Heck, nintendo could even be the big winner, maybe its the HD era in general that people arent ready for.

[Richlough]

I think I missed the part when they announced which Yaroze titles are coming out .:rofl:

[FriskyTanuki]

I finished watching the Sony conference and I cannot wait for the PS3. Eight Days, the Naughty Dog game, Warhawk, Metal Gear Solid 4, Assassin's Creed, VF5, Tekken 6, Virtua Tennis 3, Lair, Heavenly Sword, Hot Shots Golf, Resistance to Man and Ridge Racer 7 looked very nice. The controller looks nice and sleek and the new tilt functionality should be a nice addition to these games.

QF freakin T

This is the point I was trying to make to you Zog.
Nobody is forcing you to sell off your DVD collection. You can do whatever you want with it, keep it, sell it, get new stuff on Blu-Ray, whatever you want. People seem to overlook this option too easily.

[Sulik2]

Sony still holds the major franchise exclusives for Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, God of War, Gran Turismo, and Grand theft auto.................


Hate to break it to you but GTA wasn't exclusive for Sony. They thought it was, but M$ and Rockstar found a loophole.

I would argue Halo franchise, Ninja Gaiden franchise, Forza driving, Bioware RPGS, Oblivion are all up to equaling the best in exclusives the PS3 has to offer. FF always sells a ton, but to me linear menu driven, random battle full Japanese games are getting a little old. Give me innovation in RPGS any day.

Plus, what new franchises are really looking exciting on PS3 so far? We won't really be able to answer that until after E3, but Too Human, Gears of War, Lost Planet, Blue Dragon, heck even fable, are looking like they have a chance to become excellent franchises for 360.

Basically, to me the stage seems set, between the cost of system, lack of innovation, losing exclusives, like GTA or even Metal Gear Solid (on Xbox and Gamecube), that Sony could lose #1 this generation. They still are the favorite but there is a chance Nintendo or M$ could step in and steal it.

[seanr1221]

I...never said people had to go off and sell their dvd's.

However, what I did say was that people wont move to Blu-Ray and HDdvd like they went from VHS to DVD.

[marten]

Nobody is forcing you to sell off your DVD collection. You can do whatever you want with it, keep it, sell it, get new stuff on Blu-Ray, whatever you want. People seem to overlook this option too easily.

I think people are looking past another obvious point. Considering how cheap upscaling DVD players are, Sony would be stupid not to drop a Faroudja chip into the PS3 to upscale DVD's to 720p/1080i. Not everyone will want to convert to Blu-Ray, and they'd be smart to bank on that fact and still make a hell of a dvd player out of their..."media entertainment center", or whatever in the hell Kaz called it.

[racthamp]

wouldn't it be sweet if Nintendo wii would cost $150... that would totally put a mud hole in sony's @$$... well for me.. will defenitely get wii at luanch.. 360... once it hit less than $200 same with Sony... probably have to wait for a long time.. :)

[extremep]

Holy shit. I thought it was April Fool's or something, how did Sony manage to screw up in so many ways? 2 SKUs (much worse than the 360 - the console hardware is actually different in this case), half-assed Wii ripoff controller (and they had to remove vibration capability), $500-$600?? And people thought the $300-$400 Xbox 360 bundles were a bad idea. Steve Ballmer is pissing his pants with excitement.

[FriskyTanuki]

Hate to break it to you but GTA wasn't exclusive for Sony. They thought it was, but M$ and Rockstar found a loophole.
What loophole? Contracts expire and that's why we saw GTA on the Xbox. No loopholes or anything. Sony just signed exclusive agreements for six months or so with Rockstar.

I would argue Halo franchise, Ninja Gaiden franchise, Forza driving, Bioware RPGS, Oblivion are all up to equaling the best in exclusives the PS3 has to offer. FF always sells a ton, but to me linear menu driven, random battle full Japanese games are getting a little old. Give me innovation in RPGS any day.
Have you seen FFXII? No more random battles and the battle system doesn't solely rely on the menus. Add Sony's platforming series (of which we know Ratchet and Clank will make the PS3 jump) and their other franchises that will make the jump (Hot Shots Golf, Ape Escape, Killzone, and others) and you've got solid well-rounded support just from Sony (Not including FF, MGS, and GTA).

Plus, what new franchises are really looking exciting on PS3 so far? We won't really be able to answer that until after E3, but Too Human, Gears of War, Lost Planet, Blue Dragon, heck even fable, are looking like they have a chance to become excellent franchises for 360.
We don't know what are franchises just yet, but the titles from Naughty Dog and Insomniac look very promising, as well as Eight Days, Heavenly Sword, and Lair look like good candidates for future franchises.

Basically, to me the stage seems set, between the cost of system, lack of innovation, losing exclusives, like GTA or even Metal Gear Solid (on Xbox and Gamecube), that Sony could lose #1 this generation. They still are the favorite but there is a chance Nintendo or M$ could step in and steal it.
Sony didn't lose Metal Gear Solid as an exclusive, the GC game was a remake of a 6 or 7 year old title and the Xbox version of Substance wasn't handled very well to give future multi-platform installment a good outlook. We won't know what will happen with the "Console War" until after these systems launch and have some time to bud (at least a year). Making predictions now is just stupid and most likely makes you seem fanboy-ish. Just go for the console(s) you are eagerly anticipating and be happy.

[Richlough]

I'm extremely underwhelmed by that press conference .

[FriskyTanuki]

I...never said people had to go off and sell their dvd's.

However, what I did say was that people wont move to Blu-Ray and HDdvd like they went from VHS to DVD.
You don't have to replace you collection was the main point of it. The change to Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will be nothing like VHS to DVD since there is a choice and you're not forced to get rid of one to have the other.

[Kendal]

I have had an erection for over 4 hours, the commercial said I should call?

[FriskyTanuki]

Holy shit. I thought it was April Fool's or something, how did Sony manage to screw up in so many ways? 2 SKUs (much worse than the 360 - the console hardware is actually different in this case), half-assed Wii ripoff controller (and they had to remove vibration capability), $500-$600?? And people thought the $300-$400 Xbox 360 bundles were a bad idea. Steve Ballmer is pissing his pants with excitement.
How is it worse? Does the loss of an SD card slot ruin the gaming experience you could've had? Having an HDD is both versions is vastly better than the something or nothing choice the Xbox 360 had at launch, and with the hard drives being removable, there's not much difference between the two besides how big you want your hard drive. The stuff that's taken out in the cheaper version is mostly extra stuff that isn't a game-changing difference, though the lack of HDMI could be a pain for our HD TV owners who want a PS3. The lack of SD, Memory Stick, and Compact Flash slots can be remedied with the fact that the PS3 will have USB slots, as I'd think many of the devices using those types of memory also allow transferring of data over USB cables as well, thus having on the system is not as necessary as it may seem.

Since when is vibration the end all/be all of controller functions? I've played dozens of hours on my Wavebirds and didn't miss the vibration one bit. It's a willing sacrifice to have the wireless and montion-sensors in the controller with no obvious changes in size or shape. And the prices were all a matter of the tech inside, as a Blu-Ray drive, Cell chip, RSX chip (or whatever form it takes), and standard hard drives only lead to a $200 increase on a system where the hard drive came with only one of the 2 versions.

[apokalipze2]

Too much money. Include tax, games and you're easily going to see the price balloon up to $800.00 That too fuckin' much. I'll just stick with my 360 and buy a Wii as my second console

[dpatel]

The HD version of the MGS4 teaser is already up

http://gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1743

[HumanSnatcher]

Too much money. Include tax, games and you're easily going to see the price balloon up to $800.00 That too fuckin' much. I'll just stick with my 360 and buy a Wii as my second console

My thoughts exactly. Even if games are at 50 bucks a pop, you're gonna want more than one game, an extra controller or two. Lets also not forget that if you own an HD set with something that also uses the HDMI jack, you might need to buy HDMI switch, el cheapo ones from MonoPrice start at 30 bucks, but I honestly don't think I could trust that. By the time you get everything needed you could almost go buy a second HDTV. Shit, I could spend that on totally upgrading my PC and get graphics equal or better probably.

And I'm sorry FriskyTanuki, but not everyone must be geting paid like you to go down on Sony execs, because thats what it sounds like to me. Didn't you're you're mother tell you not to speak with a full mouth??

And 1080P....fuck that. To have 1080P on a hi def set is about a 300 to 500+ extra option...

[FriskyTanuki]

And I'm sorry FriskyTanuki, but not everyone must be geting paid like you to go down on Sony execs, because thats what it sounds like to me. Didn't you're you're mother tell you not to speak with a full mouth??
I love this. I love how far you went to call me a fanboy. I wonder why? Because the PS3 is all that was shown today? No, maybe tomorrow I'll be very excited about the Wii and you can be right there to tell me to stop sucking Miyamoto's cock. Encore! Encore!

[HumanSnatcher]

I'm not disputing the the games themselves. I mean I'd love to get my hands on MGS4. My problem and it seems a lot of others are the same in that the price is too god damn mother fuckin high! I can see it now: little Johnny tells mommy he wants a PS3 for xmas. Mommy find out how much it is, and she tells little Johnny that he can either have a PS3 for xmas or the rest of the family can eat for the next few months. Ultimatly, it still comes down to the haves and the have nots

[Genocidal]

I love this. I love how far you went to call me a fanboy. I wonder why? Because the PS3 is all that was shown today? No, maybe tomorrow I'll be very excited about the Wii and you can be right there to tell me to stop sucking Miyamoto's cock. Encore! Encore!

HEY. STOP SUCKING MIYAMOTOS COCK. YOU HAVE TO GET IN LINE AND WAIT YOUR TURN LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, DONT THINK THAT YOURE SOME HOT SHIT THAT CAN CUT THE LINE. :booty:

[FriskyTanuki]

HEY. STOP SUCKING MIYAMOTOS COCK. YOU HAVE TO GET IN LINE AND WAIT YOUR TURN LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, DONT THINK THAT YOURE SOME HOT SHIT THAT CAN CUT THE LINE. :booty:
I know, but just because I'm in line, it doesn't mean I can't be told to stop doing what they say I'll be doing. How about if I go for one of the guys that worked on Smash Brothers?

[trip1eX]

The PS3 conference did not impress. I'm in no hurry to shell out $600 for the thing. I don't care much about hi-def movies at this point.

But as often happens folks overreact to things. The $600, while expensive, nets you a Blu Ray player. Basically you're getting a Blu-Ray player for $200 more than a 360. Not bad when you see the price of Hi-Def DVD players at Best Buy.

A bit different tho compared to when the PS2 launched. DVd players were just hitting the mainstream back then and folks could see the value in picking up the PS2 since they were planning on getting a DVD player. I don't think mainstream joe right now is thinking about picking up a hi-def player.

So at this while Blu Ray might be a big bonus it's not something that's on mainstream consumers' minds much. It probably won't be for another year or two. That's when the advantage of having a hi-def DVD player will kick in.

[Dr Mario Kart]

This reminds me of the following saying:

When men go shopping, they SPEND money. When women go shopping, they SAVE money.

[Genocidal]

I know, but just because I'm in line, it doesn't mean I can't be told to stop doing what they say I'll be doing. How about if I go for one of the guys that worked on Smash Brothers?

That would be acceptable. You might want to wear a bib though.

[HumanSnatcher]

not to mention grow some facial hair to cover the stretch marks lol

[Kendal]

Too much money. Include tax, games and you're easily going to see the price balloon up to $800.00 That too fuckin' much. I'll just stick with my 360 and buy a Wii as my second console

I would rather a have Blu-Ray player that plays an asston of games I already own, than a Xbox 360 that doesn't even have games on HD-DVDs. The fact that Sony went with Blu-Ray as a format for games is a statement that they are backing it and will support it for years to come. It costs money to have nice things, PS3 is no exception. So the base model is $100 more than a 360, but comes with next-gen DVD format. The top tier model is $200 more and has HDMI 1080p which is going to become the standard in the coming year(s) of HD. Microsoft's answer is a HD-DVD add-on that will brong the price up over the cost of a PS3 basemodel most likely and still not utilize the drive for games in said format? This is an investment, not a toy for 3 years and then ditched. PS3 is going to be my second system and Wii as my main one(I love Nintendo), but I am getting a PS3 asap. This reminds me of the VHS Vs. Beta. I just hope the masses back the better and stronger Beta(Blu-Ray) this time and not the cheaper lesser quality VHS(HD-DVD). I can't believe I am defending a Sony system that costs more than my first car.

Anyway, I am excited about the connectivity gimmicks with the PSP and PS3. that F1 thing looks sweet. I wonder if you have two if you can use both and both side mirrors? That would be sweet. The controllers are sweet too. Yeah they are a blatant ripoff from the Wii, but isn't that expected? From a purely graphical side, the games look impressive. With the Blu-Ray format, I can't wait to see how much content that will be put on those discs. I thought I was only going to be happy with the news from Nintendo tomorrow. I am going to go watch cops and then fall asleep dreaming of my PS3 and Wii sleeping with me in my bed. So happy. :D

[FriskyTanuki]

That would be acceptable. You might want to wear a bib though.
Sounds like a plan.

[HumanSnatcher]

To be honest after seeing the thing about connecting a PSP to the PS3 to have a rear view mirror in that F1 game, I could care less. I mean, if you have the money for a HDTV with 1080p, then its probably a very good size set. Now with all the sscreen space, theres more than enough room to have a rear view mirror on the TV itself. To me it seems as absurd as when people "oooo'd and ahhhed" to when they first rolled out the 360 feature of when you switch from horizontal to vertical or vice versa that the "ring of light" changed position for what controller is connected to which position

[62t]

Also there will be disc player that can play both blu ray and HD-DVD. There is a good chance both will be sticking around. After all we are still stuck with 3 or 4 flahs memory.

[radjago]

PSP-PS3 connectivity could have interesting uses.

A rear-view mirror is not one of them. It's just impractical.

[Professor Oreo]

I don't give a shit about blu-ray or hd-dvd. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that they're aren't even any tv's on the market that will accept a 1080p source signal. There are tv's that output 1080p, but none that accept 1080p in... not even sony's own super badass sxrd tv's.

[HumanSnatcher]

I don't give a shit about blu-ray or hd-dvd. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that they're aren't even any tv's on the market that will accept a 1080p source signal. There are tv's that output 1080p, but none that accept 1080p in... not even sony's own super badass sxrd tv's.

Um, how can it output it, if it can't accept it? There are sets on the market that can do 1080p, but they cost at least 400 or 500 (IIRC) more than one that can go as high as 1080i. It'll be a while before satelite and cable can catch up, as thats over two million pixels. Pushing that much data thru the pipeline is gonna cause loss in other areas of service for the consumer.

[Professor Oreo]

Um, how can it output it, if it can't accept it? There are sets on the market that can do 1080p, .

read about it. http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11246_7-6388574-1.html

[radjago]

Wow I thought $500 would be max and no double system. Instead we get 2 systems, $500 min and a $600?!? system.

Sony is pricing this for a blueray player not a game system. Problem is that in the long term its the games that make you money and win the war, not bluray. There is a serious question here of whether or not Sony out pricing the gamers with this system. The small hardcore gamer nitch isn't what makes you money, which is the only gamers who will buy this at launch at this price.

It really is funny, the only way sony's game system is going to succeed is if the people are ravenous to adopt blueray. As it really seems they aren't, not much interest in HDDVD or Blueray it seems. Seriously whats the adoption rate of 1080p hdmi TVs that blueray pushes so hard? Sony has had a 10 yr run of dominance, and history seems to show thats about when there is a major shift in the game industry. This could spell the end of Sony as the #1 in gaming. To much money for a game player, to much invested in people wanting a new format other than DVD. However, if people are ready to adopt a new standard, Sony will mop the floor. Its an interesting gamble, Sony thinks they are, M$ doesn't. We will see what pays off. Heck, nintendo could even be the big winner, maybe its the HD era in general that people arent ready for.
Depending on the features it has, pricing it as a Blu-ray player, it's a good price. Pricing it as a game system alone, I agree that it's too much, but the market will bear it. At that pricing, they will still sell out as many units as they can produce for probably at least the first year. After production is ramped up and supply starts to exceed demand, then Sony can work on sweetening the deal with pack-ins, promotional offers, or price drops. What should concern Sony the most is finding ways to reduce their cost per system produced. If they are selling at a loss, then it should be their first priority to work to a point where that is no longer true.

Sony has the most to lose in this generation. Not only as a console gaming platform, but as a company. Microsoft and Nintendo both have stockpiles of cash that can cushion nearly any financial blow they could sustain. Even if their platforms failed, they would still have other business ventures to keep them afloat. The R&D costs for the PS3 alone were enough to seriously affect the company's finances. Add to that the costs of production, marketing, and any other costs associated with bringing it to retail, and you have a seriously big bill. If either PS3 or Blu-ray tank, then Sony will be under a huge financial burden. If both fail it could mean the end of the company as it exists today.

[Zoglog]

I don't give a shit about blu-ray or hd-dvd. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that they're aren't even any tv's on the market that will accept a 1080p source signal. There are tv's that output 1080p, but none that accept 1080p in... not even sony's own super badass sxrd tv's.

i've had a 1080p set since last August.....

http://zoglog.clearlyseen.net/photos/sceptretv/IMG_1707.jpg

only 1080p content I can get is compressed WMV9 clips and the WMV9 ver on the T2 Extreme edition DVD.

http://zoglog.clearlyseen.net/photos/sceptretv/IMG_1709.jpg

That's why Blu ray is coming.

[HumanSnatcher]

read about it. http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11246_7-6388574-1.html

That article is 6 months old. Things can change drasticly in 6 months time. More importantly, why ask a question to which you know full well what the answer is?

[psiufoxx2]

Sony has the most to lose in this generation...If either PS3 or Blu-ray tank, then Sony will be under a huge financial burden. If both fail it could mean the end of the company as it exists today.QFT.

[Genocidal]

Nothing was said about this supposedly packed in Linux, was it?

[mykevermin]

okay...and you had to do 2 ps3 special offers for what good reason? ;)

Under the false assumption that you'll wade through the morass of posts and read this, it has to do with the fact that I only got my 360 3-4 weeks ago (though I finished all the requirements in November 2005). The first one I completed was for the same company, so I said "to hell it it" (indeed!) and did the other, more reliable one.

[Monsta Mack]

Oh gheeze.
I am going to have the first 41 pages still, but...

$599 to get a fully fuctional system? It was already bad enough to spend $399 on the 360 and I was happy with that, but I don't plan on buying a ton of Blu-Ray DVDs so this price point puts the system a good 3+ years away before purchasing. I'm sure my friends will buy it if they want to see blu-ray that bad, but I for one will not.

Then again, I bet a ton of loyal Sony fans will be purchasing this one at launch, and the eBay profit should be pretty high. I know there are alot of Sony zealots around so I doubt Sony is going to go under, just not saturate the market as fast as they would like to.

[pop311]

I thought you guys would like this (For those of you who know about YTMND)
http://chunkps3.ytmnd.com/

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Wow, looks like every Xbox fanboy was right.

The PS3 IS going to be an overpriced flop.

There is no way a $599 and $499 price point is going to fly with the market. C'mon, really, that's just ridiculous.

With the 360 being $200 less across the board and going on second generation games at launch and third generation games by the time the PS3 has more than 5 million on the market the difference between the two is not going to be that great to justify that kind of price difference.

Someone over there is on crack.

EDIT: I think Nintendo is going to end up looking like an absolutely visionary company this generation. A lot of people are going to say no fucking way to Sony and Microsoft at $400-600 consoles and $60 games. Gaming is not that kind of cash intensive hobby to the average gamer.

[HumanSnatcher]

I thought you guys would like this (For those of you who know about YTMND)
http://chunkps3.ytmnd.com/

Dude, you're the man now dog for posting that!!! :applause: :applause: :applause:

[slidecage]

Launch Date & Price
Nov 17th USA
20gb - $499
60gb - $599

there is no chance in hell i will get one

400 was my tops.


XBox 360 core 300 Major 400 and a year worth a games and maybe a price drop

compare that to this 500 and 600
and

compare to the Nintendo 249 (guessing)

good luck selling those PS3 systems after xmas (only fan boys will buy them at this price and EXPECT major shortages- can you say 2000 on ebay)

seems my ps2 will have to do until 2008 (when the systems should fall to 299 or below)

[shipwreck]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with the $500 version you also lose the PSP-PS3 connectivity since there is no wifi. I'm guessing this will probably be remedied somehow by offering a wifi adapter, but that will be something else you will have to buy to try and make the "core" version closer in functionality to the $600 version.

[botticus]

Seems the biggest issue with the two versions is that, as that Sony guy mentioned last year, is the market confusion. Sure, the cheaper version might have everything you need, but will the average person know this? Or will they say "I don't want the cheap version, but I don't want to spend more for the expensive version, so I guess I won't get either." Maybe Nintendo will bail Sony out and also offer two SKUs.

[starman9000]

Nov. 17th is my birthday. Maybe my wife will lose her sanity and hook me up.

[Monsta Mack]

A simple solution to piss off Sony, I think I posted something similiar of this nature before.

Buy a PS3, or better yet wait a long time and buy a used PS3. Although buying a new PS3 will net Sony a LOSS.

Then, wait for Gamestop/EB to start stocking used PS3 games. That will only be like a three week or so wait. Buy the games you want used.

Accessories? You won't be needing them right away anyways with your controller and HD. But you can buy these used down the line as well.

What do you get? Well your only one person, but if you can get all your friends to go the used route, then Sony won't be gaining a dime off you.

I did the same with the PS2 when it came to new/used games. I waited till a majority of the games were $19.82 or less or bought them new, and most of my accessories were either clearance or used. I bought a few games at high price points (Growlanser, Suikoden) to support the third party companies, and I saved my cash for the higher priced 360 games and DS titles. I rather have Sony have as little money of mine as possible.

[rockhero]

A simple solution to piss off Sony, I think I posted something similiar of this nature before.

Buy a PS3, or better yet wait a long time and buy a used PS3. Although buying a new PS3 will net Sony a LOSS.

Then, wait for Gamestop/EB to start stocking used PS3 games. That will only be like a three week or so wait. Buy the games you want used.

Accessories? You won't be needing them right away anyways with your controller and HD. But you can buy these used down the line as well.

What do you get? Well your only one person, but if you can get all your friends to go the used route, then Sony won't be gaining a dime off you.

I did the same with the PS2 when it came to new/used games. I waited till a majority of the games were $19.82 or less or bought them new, and most of my accessories were either clearance or used. I bought a few games at high price points (Growlanser, Suikoden) to support the third party companies, and I saved my cash for the higher priced 360 games and DS titles. I rather have Sony have as little money of mine as possible.

Dude are you nuts? Obviously Sony's product is something you enjoy and find entertaining/worthwhile, yet you sit around trying to think up ways to screw the company?

[radjago]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with the $500 version you also lose the PSP-PS3 connectivity since there is no wifi. I'm guessing this will probably be remedied somehow by offering a wifi adapter, but that will be something else you will have to buy to try and make the "core" version closer in functionality to the $600 version.
I hadn't thought of that, but you're probably right. There could be a way to hook it up by the USB data cable or by a USB wifi adapter.

Does the PSP support Bluetooth?

[Monsta Mack]

Dude are you nuts? Obviously Sony's product is something you enjoy and find entertaining/worthwhile, yet you sit around trying to think up ways to screw the company?

Dude are you nuts? Obviously Sony's product is way overpriced and something that is second rate/a cheap imitiation of other products, yet you claim I *should* sit around trying to think up of ways I should support this company?

[cdeener]

Well, for those that want to see that conference who didn't see it live if you have a free Gamespot Membership you can download it or stream it now from their site:
http://www.gamespot.com/e3/index.html

[evanft]

Soo....12:30, eh?

[graf1k]

That article is 6 months old. Things can change drasticly in 6 months time. More importantly, why ask a question to which you know full well what the answer is?
As of right now, there are very few TVs in the the US that take a 1080p signal. There are plenty of TVs that up sample 1080i signals to 1080p internally, and then display them as such, but it's not the same thing. Of course, in 6 months there WILL be plenty more.



As for the price point, there are a couple things to remember when comparing the PS3 price to the 360 eBay shennanigans. First of all, the 360 was the lone new console on the market at the time, and the first of the 'next-gen' of gaming. Second, there was a shortage. Some people do really stupid things when there is a shortage that they wouldn't normally do. Third, at the time, the 360 had zero competition. Even it's shittiest games still looked quite a bit better than Xbox or PS2 games. Sony however, will have both the 360 and Wii to compete with, and by Novemember 360 games will be pretty much on their second generation and will be looking very good. I haven't seen the video of the PS3 trailers that were shown last night yet, but unless they look substantially better, I don't know how many people are going to pay $100-200 more for the PS3, especially as from what I've seen none of the launch titles are blowing too much wind up ANYBODIES skirt (sure MGS4 and FFXXXXIIII, but you know those at least a year out, probably 18 months to 2 years). Also, a comparison to the PS2 launch I don't think it valid in some respects. I don't think the demand for a 'cheap' Blu-Ray player is as high now, or will be in 6 months, as demand was for a 'cheap' DVD player was back when the PS3 launched. And like I've said, for the majority of people, a Blu-Ray player will mean needing a new TV to enjoy it. That's starting to be an expensive proposition for a lot of people.

In the end, PS3 just had to show up to win Japan, and they will, even with all the problems I talked about. It's just how it is, although I think depending on the Wii's price point and launch titles, Nintendo might take a lot of Sony's launch winds away and may hurt them long term in Japan (i.e. taking some of their market share, if only >5%). In the US however, I see it being much tighter. Your average consumer has no brand loyalty and unless the PS3s games look $200 better than 360 games, I think they are going to have problems with the high end market, while cheap asses and people that like alternative type games go with the Wii. The only people I see definitely sticking with the PS3 are JRPG fans.

What really gets me is that if the $500 PS3 indeed does not have HDMI, what the fuck is the point of it? As to my knowledge, it is not possible to get 1080p over component cables because A) it requires too much bandwidth, and B) that copyright holders aren't going to allow it because they think it's another in the many 'analog loopholes' to pirate the software. So, for $500 I get a PS3 that won't play my games at max resolution, and the Blu-Ray player is basically fucking useless? Sounds great to me. And I say the Blu-Ray player is useless because even if Sony would let games over component cables at 1080p, there is no way in hell Hollywood is going to follow suit. Blu-Ray discs from Sony might not downsample to 480p, but that doesn't mean Blu-Ray discs from every other studio won't. And lets assume it's just 720p they downsample to. What the fuck is the point of 1080p Blu-Rays if you watch them at 720p unless you want to pay $600 for a game system. At least the 'core' 360 has the same function as a premium. This is like 2 seperate consoles in my mind (the $500 PS3 v. the $600 PS3 that is).

[jkam]

Here comes the Sony bandwagon and they just lost a wheel...

If M$ is smart the day the PS3 hits store shelves they should run a promotion for $50 off on a 360. Hmmm.... $600 or $350.

The PS3 is full of features I could care less about.

The 360 is starting to look real good for my RE5 fix.

If this thing has DRE's I can only imagine the backlash.

How many sequels can the PS3 boast?

Sony's time is over this gen.

[Ivanhoe]

yawns.

For 500dollars you will get everything the 360 has plus Blueray dvd ability for only 100 dollars more then the 360 (399 vs 499 = 100)


And when a price is announced for the HD DVD add on for 99-199 bucks for the 360 then it will be exactly the same price as ps3.

and id MUCH rather have a ps3 then xbox anything. Its all about games and sony has them.

[cdeener]

yawns.

For 500dollars you will get everything the 360 has plus Blueray dvd ability for only 100 dollars more then the 360 (399 vs 499 = 100)


And when a price is announced for the HD DVD add on for 99-199 bucks for the 360 then it will be exactly the same price as ps3.

and id MUCH rather have a ps3 then xbox anything. Its all about games and sony has them.

The thing you have to realize is that HD-DVD will be an add-on and it isn't forced upon us like Blue-Ray will be with Sony. Another thing you have to realize is how many people you know will want to re-purchase movies they already own on DVD to watch them in a new format? You will have to pay twice as much for a movie then some movies might not even come out in the new format just like the conversion from VHS to DVD.

[rockhero]

Dude are you nuts? Obviously Sony's product is way overpriced and something that is second rate/a cheap imitiation of other products, yet you claim I *should* sit around trying to think up of ways I should support this company?

If it was second rate/a cheap imitation of other products then you should be fine without it. Obviously you enjoy the playstation enough that you need to have one, it just seems strange to me to turn this into negativity towards Sony.

[Daddy]

Bhahaha...i'd love to do my "Told You So routine" but theres no need to, I posted that all Sony does is copy and they have done that, I posted that they would shoot themselves in the foot and they have....they ALWAYS lie, promise big and take things back...they have done all of that too. This system is a joke, Sony was quote last years as saying, "You can't have HD without HDMI" when they were bashing MS and 360.... and there is no Hdmi in the cheap verison? Thats just too funny...so lets see they take out all the goodies in the $500 version so thats pointless all together, they show trailers of games which is a waste of space, they play warhawk (the guy playing looked like a fookin retard..abhaba) which could run visually the same on 360, they copy the Xbox Live and Marketplace,the Nintendo controller style,the 2 different SKU's (which again is worthless bc they are like having 2 different systems since one is sooo stripped down) this whole thing is too funny....all I get is Metal Gear and Tekken oh and Virtua Fighter which all of them are on version 4 or 5 already. The system is $635 bucks after tax w/o any games or extras.....no thanks...I see most people getting a 360 and spending the extra $100 bucks for a add-on Hd-Dvd drive. I am very glad Sony did all this, as expected they have sprung a very big leak in there boat.

[evilmax17]

Microsoft responds:

http://1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150550

"Leadership," is what Shane Kim, director of Microsoft Game Studios, said when asked to summarize Microsoft's press conference (which gets underway at 11:30 a.m. PST this morning) in one word. Leadership might be what the video game (http://1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150550#) industry is about to need, too, considering Sony's somewhat flaccid performance at yesterday's pre-E3 (http://e3.1up.com/) event. The game industry leader announced a price point (http://1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150516) for its next-generation platform.

"It's pretty tough to tell gamers that the next generation begins with us [Sony (http://1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150550#)] when the price point is a couple hundred dollars higher than ours," Kim said. He is referring to the $499/$599 price points for Sony's two PS3 SKU's compared with Microsoft's $299 and $399 price points. While his responses were measured and careful, one has to suspect that Kim and Chris Satchell, general manager of the game developer group at Microsoft, were pleased to see Sony's strategy.

Sony's incorporation of a "Marketplace"-style online system, armed to the teeth with microtransaction possibilities is even more excessive than Microsoft's (http://1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150550#) existing Marketplace. The demonstration showed several weapons that could be purchased for Warhawk (http://1up.com/do/gameOverview?cId=3140598) -- whether or not this holds true in the online infrastructure's final iteration won't be clear until the Nov. 17 launch date. Despite the similarities, Microsoft isn't concerned with its online success, "Nothing we heard today indicates that Sony is in a position to catch us in the online space," Kim said. Kim also said to expect some telling new figures about the Xbox Live usage statistics at today's press conference.
But don't think Microsoft is content with Sony aping their Marketplace and the Wii's controller (Sony unveiled a controller that offered six degrees of movement in a space as a control-scheme, drawing immediate Wii comparisons).

"Being a gamer first and foremost," said Chris Satchell. "I felt bad for gamers at the lack of innovation from the leaders (Sony)." But will the rest of the game industry think that Sony isn't leading the game industry into the next generation as its PS2 sales figures should dictate? Sony's fall launch will officially enter them in the next-gen console war up against a Microsoft corporation that has a chance to gain momentum with today's press conference (and a Nintendo looking to start a new generation (http://1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150307) in gaming (http://1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150550#)). Sony has given Microsoft a window of opportunity with a full year on the release calendar and its pricing scheme -- but will Microsoft capitalize? Can Nintendo's Wii controller appeal to the mainstream consumer? This morning's press conferences might shed some light on that -- check back.

[Daddy]

Yeah Sony has never been innovative...they are salesmen pretending to videogame guys...they just promise,copy and steal....nobody is selling me a bag of magic beans....all I keep thing is after tax a PS3 and one game is $700...no thanks

[dafoomie]

EDIT: I think Nintendo is going to end up looking like an absolutely visionary company this generation. A lot of people are going to say no fucking way to Sony and Microsoft at $400-600 consoles and $60 games. Gaming is not that kind of cash intensive hobby to the average gamer.
Absolutely, somebody at Nintendo is a genius. Everybody is going to pick up the Rev as their 2nd console, especially since you can probably get one and a 360 for what the PS3 costs. I'll pick one up on launch day if its $199.

They have positioned themselves brilliantly in this marketplace. Gamecube was almost the same way, but even now I don't feel compelled to pick one up, just not enough games I'd kill for, and most of those are on Dreamcast anyway, at least imports.

[evilmax17]

Kutragi says PS3 is too cheap!

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/706/706133p1.html

[dafoomie]

What really gets me is that if the $500 PS3 indeed does not have HDMI, what the fuck is the point of it? As to my knowledge, it is not possible to get 1080p over component cables because A) it requires too much bandwidth, and B) that copyright holders aren't going to allow it because they think it's another in the many 'analog loopholes' to pirate the software. So, for $500 I get a PS3 that won't play my games at max resolution, and the Blu-Ray player is basically fucking useless? Sounds great to me. And I say the Blu-Ray player is useless because even if Sony would let games over component cables at 1080p, there is no way in hell Hollywood is going to follow suit. Blu-Ray discs from Sony might not downsample to 480p, but that doesn't mean Blu-Ray discs from every other studio won't. And lets assume it's just 720p they downsample to. What the fuck is the point of 1080p Blu-Rays if you watch them at 720p unless you want to pay $600 for a game system. At least the 'core' 360 has the same function as a premium. This is like 2 seperate consoles in my mind (the $500 PS3 v. the $600 PS3 that is).
Blu-Ray will downsample to just slightly above 480p, which means it will either be scaled down to 480p, or scaled up to display at 720p. But, practically its only marginally better than 480p. Theres really no point at all in buying Blu-Ray if you can't use HDMI to watch them in their full resolution, thats the only advantage Blu-Ray offers over DVD.

Sony, Disney, and Fox are going to not put that flag on their movies, at least initially, but Universal and Warner are.

[dafoomie]

Kutragi says PS3 is too cheap!

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/706/706133p1.html
I'm still waiting to plug into the Matrix with Toy Story graphics.

[Grave_Addiction]

And I'm sorry FriskyTanuki, but not everyone must be geting paid like you to go down on Sony execs, because thats what it sounds like to me. Didn't you're you're mother tell you not to speak with a full mouth??

And 1080P....fuck that. To have 1080P on a hi def set is about a 300 to 500+ extra option...

And so it begins.

[Grave_Addiction]

My big problem with all this is that several developers have said there is little to no difference between games running on the 360 and PS3. If that's the case, then you have to look at the features the PS3 has over the 360 in order to warrant a purchase.

Is an SD slot, wifi, 60 gb hdd and a few other odds and ends worth an extra $200?

[munch]

:rofl: $1000+ to play video games :rofl: Yeah right!

[RedvsBlue]

yawns.

For 500dollars you will get everything the 360 has plus Blueray dvd ability for only 100 dollars more then the 360 (399 vs 499 = 100)


And when a price is announced for the HD DVD add on for 99-199 bucks for the 360 then it will be exactly the same price as ps3.

and id MUCH rather have a ps3 then xbox anything. Its all about games and sony has them.

Ahh but if you want FULL blu-ray support you have to spend $599 because the $499 model doesn't have an HDMI output and you need HDMI in order to display the picture in 1080p. Therefore the $499 model's maximum resolution is 720p, which is the same as what it is for the Xbox 360. So its actually $200 more for the PS3 with full blu-ray dvd compatability.

[slidecage]

man i lost the freaking link and cant find the page now. was sort of funny on how they see the PS3 price in years

2006 system 600 bucks
2008 system 400-500
2010 System 200-300
2012 system 100-200

with ps 4 coming out sometime between 2012-2014


if their guesses are right, it wouldnt be till 2012 till i have a PS3 OUCH

[Dr Mario Kart]

Isnt 2012 when the world ends according to the Mayan calendar?

[mykevermin]

:rofl: $1000+ to play video games :rofl: Yeah right!

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/4914/alienware1ap.th.jpg (http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alienware1ap.jpg)

[botticus]

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/4914/alienware1ap.th.jpg (http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alienware1ap.jpg)
At least with that all my home computing needs for the next 5 years would also be set.

I suppose if the PS3 can recognize a keyboard and mouse, surf the web, use AIM, run Office programs, and PC games, then I would bite for $600.

[mykevermin]

I suppose if the PS3 can display porno and play WoW, then I would bite for $600.

Fix'd to apply to the average computer user. ;)

[Apossum]

My big problem with all this is that several developers have said there is little to no difference between games running on the 360 and PS3. If that's the case, then you have to look at the features the PS3 has over the 360 in order to warrant a purchase.

Is an SD slot, wifi, 60 gb hdd and a few other odds and ends worth an extra $200?


I was trying to squint during the conference and the graphics on some of those looked really good. Especially FFXIII, which I presume was real time since it had the fight menus and all. I'm not so sure that those can be done on the 360 with its dual layer dvds.


Ahh but if you want FULL blu-ray support you have to spend $599 because the $499 model doesn't have an HDMI output and you need HDMI in order to display the picture in 1080p. Therefore the $499 model's maximum resolution is 720p, which is the same as what it is for the Xbox 360. So its actually $200 more for the PS3 with full blu-ray dvd compatability.

I'm sure blu-ray has some benefits at lower resolutions.

[evilmax17]

I was trying to squint during the conference and the graphics on some of those looked really good. Especially FFXIII, which I presume was real time since it had the fight menus and all. I'm not so sure that those can be done on the 360 with its dual layer dvds.
Some of those trailers were deceiving. For example, look at Eight Days (i think, the one with the tanker truck crashing.) That included a HUD too, but it kept breaking away to cinematic shots (so there's no way it was in game). There might've been a few seconds of actual gameplay (if even), but the trailer was crafted in such a way as to trick the casual viewer.

[Grave_Addiction]

Isnt 2012 when the world ends according to the Mayan calendar?

Well, shit. Look who has to come in and raid on everyone's parade. Those damn Mayans are good for nothing I tell you ... NOTHING!!!!

[Grave_Addiction]

Some of those trailers were deceiving. For example, look at Eight Days (i think, the one with the tanker truck crashing.) That included a HUD too, but it kept breaking away to cinematic shots (so there's no way it was in game). There might've been a few seconds of actual gameplay (if even), but the trailer was crafted in such a way as to trick the casual viewer.

I was thinking the exact same thing. A lot of the games looked gorgeous, but it seemed like the developers made the FMVs to make it look like actual gameplay.

Bad Sony, bad!

I do want to state for the record, however, that I'm in no way a Sony-basher. I love the PS3 and all of its abilities, but I'm just very bitter about its price tag. I think Sony is making a mistake by alienating their target audience way too much.

[graf1k]

Just watching the conference video from Gamespot.

Gran Turismo HD - Dispite being 1080p and 60FPS, it didn't look that amazing. Like GT4 with PGR3-esque graphics.

Lair - Looks good.

Hotshots Golf - Are you kidding me? That's worth a spot in your trailer reel? Ouch.

Getaway - It LOOKS okay. How it plays we shall never know.

Afrika - Looks like a safari to me. Not exactly stimulating gameplay.

Monster Kingdom - I have no idea what the game is about or anything. Graphically it looks on par with first getn 360 games.

Eight Days - Looks awesome. It looked like it was real pre-recordered gameplay but no Killzone shennanigans. Pretty impressed with that one.

New Naughty Dog Game - Graphically it looks pretty impressive (if that's just pre-recorded gameplay) but gameplay wise it looks like Tomb Raider with a guy. I guess that's fine, just nothing too innovative.

Resistance - Eh.

Tekken 6 - Looked stupid, but that's my opinion as an ex-Tekken fan.

Virtua Fighter 5 - I'm officially excited for this one, although it alone and MGS4 isn't going to make me buy a system.

MGS4 - Obviously looks fucking awesome, although the trailer didn't blow me away as much as the MGS2 or MGS3 trailers did back then. Goddamn it, port it Kojima!

[lionheart4life]

Isnt 2012 when the world ends according to the Mayan calendar?

And according to former Phillies catcher Darren Daulton.

Considering that a lot of people pay hundreds of dollars above retail on Ebay and other sites at a systems launch, I don't think $600 for this is too bad. I'm not sure if the extra features really warrant another $100, I don't really care about WiFi since I already have the wires run to get my systems online, and I probably won't have an HDMI TV any time soon. I think I will just wait a year and see how things shape up. The PS3 could be a complete disaster or the clear frontrunner by that time.

[Roufuss]

Hotshots Golf - Are you kidding me? That's worth a spot in your trailer reel? Ouch.


Hotshots Golf is amazing... it definately deserves a spot on any trailer reel.

[graf1k]

Difference of opinion I guess.

[Backlash]

If that's the case, then you have to look at the features the PS3 has over the 360 in order to warrant a purchase.


Or the actual games themselves. There's nothing on the 360 yet that I want to play, as I don't really play FPS and that seems to be its strength so far. That said, I don't know what PS3 games are coming out that I'll want, but we'll see. Maybe I won't get either O_o (j/k)

[Grave_Addiction]

Considering that a lot of people pay hundreds of dollars above retail on Ebay and other sites at a systems launch, I don't think $600 for this is too bad.
I'll say it again. A very small minority of the overall gaming populace actually overspent on an Xbox 360 and bought one on ebay.

A few thousand dumbasses who overpay for a product is no way to measure whether or not the majority of gamers will pay almost two times what they are accustomed to for a system at launch.

[Midnite]

Sony will still win and here's why - Metal Gear, Final Fantasy , and Japan. I know I won't pay $600+ dollars to play these two series. To me Final Fantasy has really gone down hill plus all the old guys that helped establish Final Fantasy are a part of Mistwalker now, Enix is trying to milk the cow for all its worth.

Metal Gear looks good but was it a video or actuall game play, Gran Turismo didn't look that impressive compared to PGR3. Seriously, can Sony come up with anything new and original, hey that marketplace looks neat and that motion sensor crap looks fun, let's steal it.

[jalu6]

I agree with Stuka. Forget about the blu-ray and all that garbage. What are the games like?

I bought Genji for $10 at best buy last week. Its a fun game, but does the sequel look $650 better? MGS4 of course looks amazing, but again, you can wait until the inevitable MGS4: Awesometacular editon shows up a year later. I'm not against getting a PS3. I'm positive down the line I will own one. But at launch? Pure crazy talk.

Want to know the difference between $400 and $600?

$400 = I want to play Call of Duty 2, Oblivion comes out soon and I know there will be some cool games down the line, so I may as well get one now.

$600 = You had better prove to me that these games will make me wet my pants before I buy one of these things.

[Backlash]

Why does everyone hate the fact that Sony is copying Nintendo (motion controller) and MS (Marketplace)? Would you rather those two technologies, which seem like great ideas, not be part of the PS3?

YEah they didn't come up with it, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't use some version of it. You don't see factories still hand-assembling manufactured items just b/c Ford cam up with the assembly line and they didn't (or whoever it was, I forget). Shit, Nintendo should include a Marketplace and MS should get a motion sensitive controller out there, IMO.

[Puffa469]

FUCK YOU SONY! For DOUBLING the price of your new console by shoe-horning in some fucking bullshit DVD technology I dont want or need.

"Oh but its soo cheap for a blueray player..."

I dont care if a standalone blueray player costs $10 grand. I still dont want one in my VIDEO GAME CONSOLE!

I'll be getting a Wii and thats it for the next couple years. Its a shame tho, cos Im sure that blueray woulda looked sweet tho on my 32" CRT Super low rez TV. :roll:

Sony's hurting overall as a company, and their idea to save themselves is to take bad ideas from their consumer electronics division and poison their videogame console with them???

For the $700 (PS3+tax+1 game) I would need to spend on a PS3, I can buy at least FORTY current gen games... :bomb:

[Javery]

Most people who are whining about the price are just people who can't afford the console. Otherwise why would they care so much?

This is completely untrue. I really want a PS3 because it looks sweet and I love videogames. I'm not rich or anything but I can drop $1,000 on something and not think twice about it but there's no way in hell I'm paying $600 ($700 when you consider tax and a game) for it. It's just too expensive. I'll probably try and pick up two or three for eBaying purposes but that's about it...

Sony might still be the market leader this generation and I'll probably help them out in a few years when the PS3 drops in price but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a more even split between everyone this time around...

[Midnite]

Why does everyone hate the fact that Sony is copying Nintendo (motion controller) and MS (Marketplace)? Would you rather those two technologies, which seem like great ideas, not be part of the PS3?

YEah they didn't come up with it, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't use some version of it. You don't see factories still hand-assembling manufactured items just b/c Ford cam up with the assembly line and they didn't (or whoever it was, I forget). Shit, Nintendo should include a Marketplace and MS should get a motion sensitive controller out there, IMO.

Everyone knew Sony was going to steal these ideas but just the way Katarugi delivered his speech it made it sound like like we have something that's never been done before and then he gives us what the Wii remote does. I mean thats lacking when your trying to hype up your new console.

[Roufuss]

Why does everyone hate the fact that Sony is copying Nintendo (motion controller) and MS (Marketplace)? Would you rather those two technologies, which seem like great ideas, not be part of the PS3?

YEah they didn't come up with it, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't use some version of it. You don't see factories still hand-assembling manufactured items just b/c Ford cam up with the assembly line and they didn't (or whoever it was, I forget). Shit, Nintendo should include a Marketplace and MS should get a motion sensitive controller out there, IMO.

Nintendo is including a marketplace... the Virtual Console.

[jalu6]

I'll be getting a Wii and thats it for the next couple years. Its a shame tho, cos Im sure that blueray woulda looked sweet tho on my 32" CRT Super low rez TV. :roll:

This is why i love talking to everyone I know from Jersey City. :)

[basketkase543]

All I know is that right now I'm getting my teaching credentials, am incredibly poor and want to get married soon. There's no room in my budget for a $700 gaming system.

[jalu6]

Most people who are whining about the price are just people who can't afford the console. Otherwise why would they care so much?

Awesome, guy. Why didn't you just come out and say "You just don't like the PS3 because you're too poor."

Check the URL, jackass. Did you mix up your bookmark with www.trustfundgamer.com?

[mykevermin]

All I know is that right now I'm getting my teaching credentials, am incredibly poor and want to get married soon. There's no room in my budget for a $700 gaming system.

If it can be negotiated with your fiance, three syllables: Re - Gi - Stry. C'mon, you don't need no fuckin' coffee cream saucer to match your service platters and butter covers. You need 1080p.

On another note, did Sony's announcement about the "virtual marketplace" indicate that stuff could be bought and downloaded while connected to the console (like XBLA), or did this talk about "Playstation Cards" indicate that you'd be going into a store to buy digital downloadable content?

[Roufuss]

Awesome, guy. Why didn't you just come out and say "You just don't like the PS3 because you're too poor."

Check the URL, jackass. Did you mix up your bookmark with www.trustfundgamer.com?

Is it really that hard to save up $50 a month? It's not like you have to drop $500 on the system next week, or do it all at once. Just budget it out.

Most people here drop $100 every two weeks on some clearance sale buying shitty titles they'll never play, just drop some of that into a savings account instead.

[Dogpatch]

Looks like I am waiting on a price drop. $600 is a good chunk of change. I enjoy all my systems (even my Virtual Boy :) ) and will buy all the next gen systems. Just can not bring myself to pay that much for one system. Even with Blu-ray, I'm just not going to shell out that much. I want a video game system. I did not buy a PS2 or Xbox to play movies. It is a nice benefit though.

Seems like the industry is pushing more and more the limits of what gamers want to spend. It's good that they are pushing tech and making more colorful, complex games for us. Is bigger always better though?

Edit: No problems affording one. Just hate to walk up and put down that much on a system. Not counting the games and whatever.

[Midnite]

Is it really that hard to save up $50 a month?

Yes it is with gas prices going up. The $50-$100 a month that I was putting away has turned into $25/month if I'm lucky.

[Puffa469]

This is why i love talking to everyone I know from Jersey City. :)

Oh like Seacaucus is any better! lol

Im a newlywed living in a 1bdr apt saving up for a house or condo. Sony can lick me!

[jalu6]

Is it really that hard to save up $50 a month? It's not like you have to drop $500 on the system next week, or do it all at once. Just budget it out.

Most people here drop $100 every two weeks on some clearance sale buying shitty titles they'll never play, just drop some of that into a savings account instead.

I wasnt saying that I couldn't afford one with proper budgeting and financial displine. I was implying that his comment was a pretty fucked up thing to say to someone.

[Daddy]

Oh like Seacaucus is any better! lol

Im a newlywed living in a 1bdr apt saving up for a house or condo. Sony can lick me!


IN NJ? Good luck...this house market is tanking now and is overpopulated with listings....you better go the condo/townhouse route....either way what you pay compared to what you get is HORRIBLE

[Puffa469]

Believe me I know ALL about it. Im still a couple years away from seriosly looking for anything tho, so hopefully the market will crash hard and I can grab something for way cheaper than what Im seeing now.


IN NJ? Good luck...this house market is tanking now and is overpopulated with listings....you better go the condo/townhouse route....either way what you pay compared to what you get is HORRIBLE

[lpj8]

I think 499.99 is pretty high for a gaming machine. Sure, the graphics will be sweet, and I'm sure the games are going to be there. I have no doubt that i'll eventually get a system when the price drops.

But $533 (499.99 plus tax) plus another $60 or so is a LOT of money to spend at one time for a game system. Heck, there are only a few things in which I'd spend that much money on (Car, House, maybe TV). However, when I think about it a different way, if I keep and enjoy a PS3 for 4 years thats about $10 a month which is less than I pay for cable. But this doesn't include the costs associated with games and accessories.

The price of the system will probably closely mirror the cost of Blueray players at the time. So if you are in the market for one of those, the Ps3 could potentially be a great deal. Few people have the 1080p sets to fully take advantage of blueray's capabilities, but a lot of people would apprecate movies in 720p.

I have the money, but I guess gaming just isn't worth monetarily that much to me. I'd rather spend it on some Ps2 games that I never got around to playing. There are a lot that I missed.

[Dkellar]

Wow, I was hoping for a $399 system. Oh well, I'll wait for a price drop. Plus I'll probably be playing mostly PS1 and PS2 games on it instead of PS3.

[schultzed]

Is it really that hard to save up $50 a month? It's not like you have to drop $500 on the system next week, or do it all at once. Just budget it out.

Most people here drop $100 every two weeks on some clearance sale buying shitty titles they'll never play, just drop some of that into a savings account instead.

My game budget? $60/month tops . . . that that's for quality titles (still waiting for Burnout Revenge to be $15 after GCC at BB)

This is why I have loaded up on cheapass games . . . I can easily wait 2 years to get in on the PS3. Just to let the price of titles drop alone.

Not only are you getting a $600 game system but you have nothing but full-price games to play. Fuck that!

I can afford the newer systems, I just don't see the need for them yet.

I still haven't opened "Bard's Tale" along with 20 other games.

[TC]

Did they mention anything about a Tivo like function that makes the larger hard disk more useful?

[jalu6]

Did they mention anything about a Tivo like function that makes the larger hard disk more useful?

youll almost never see that. Sony is too piracy crazy

[basketkase543]

youll almost never see that. Sony is too piracy crazy

They had a ps2 version in Japan that had DVR.

[RelentlessRolento]

I can say that coded arms seems liek it may have potential.

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/826/826975/vids_1.html

[trq]

Setting it up in the Dual Shock design is just asking developers to ignore that it has motion sensing capabilites as well. With the Wii you've got to do something with that controller. This? It would be chepaer and easier to just make a normal game--especially when you're looking at highly expensive development costs in the first place.

Agreed. I predict the gyroscopes will be used about as much as the pressure-sensitive buttons are used on the PS2 controller; Sony will primarily have this functionality just to say they have it, which will be enough to convince the soccer moms and 13-year-old fanboys that it's the high-quality version of the feature. Because you sure as hell ain't aiming in a FPS with that piece.

[RelentlessRolento]

just as a notice: ign has a almost all the video teasers from the conference for download now.

[Sulik2]

What loophole? Contracts expire and that's why we saw GTA on the Xbox. No loopholes or anything. Sony just signed exclusive agreements for six months or so with Rockstar.


Have you seen FFXII? No more random battles and the battle system doesn't solely rely on the menus. Add Sony's platforming series (of which we know Ratchet and Clank will make the PS3 jump) and their other franchises that will make the jump (Hot Shots Golf, Ape Escape, Killzone, and others) and you've got solid well-rounded support just from Sony (Not including FF, MGS, and GTA).


We don't know what are franchises just yet, but the titles from Naughty Dog and Insomniac look very promising, as well as Eight Days, Heavenly Sword, and Lair look like good candidates for future franchises.


Sony didn't lose Metal Gear Solid as an exclusive, the GC game was a remake of a 6 or 7 year old title and the Xbox version of Substance wasn't handled very well to give future multi-platform installment a good outlook. We won't know what will happen with the "Console War" until after these systems launch and have some time to bud (at least a year). Making predictions now is just stupid and most likely makes you seem fanboy-ish. Just go for the console(s) you are eagerly anticipating and be happy.

Your right I did kinda sound fanboy-ish there and didn't really make my point to well. Just for me, the games on the PS3 don't really excite me much, just seem like been there done that. You made some good points as well, and maybe after E3 there will be some games that interest me.

My big deal with the PS3, though, is it is being sold as a Blu-ray player not a game system. They will sell every system they have at launch cause of hardcore gamers, but after the first 6 months what casual gamer is going to have a 1080p hdtv, desperately wants to replace their dvd collection, and is going to spend well over $500 to do it, when they can spend a lot less and just get a game system from M$ or Nintendo? When the casual gamer just wants a game system in the first place? Sony is leaning really heavy on blu-ray and I just don't see people running out to buy PS3 for blu-ray the way they went out and bought PS2 and wanted the dvd player with it as well. Thats my big issue with PS3. I want a game system, not a blu-ray player. I will pick up PS3 probably at $300. Which is about right to me for a game system that I am not really that excited about.

[Zoglog]

dunno bout you but I thought heavenly sword looked like a whole lot of fun. the PS3 seems to have incredible animation quality. But then again the video feed was a bit small, guess i'll find out in 2 days. Good that the wii and ps3 both will be playable

[Javery]

There's a huge difference is being able to afford a PS3 and actually buying a PS3. It's just too expensive for what amounts to yet another video game system...

[jer7583]

Sony got destroyed today. They look like fools.

[Roufuss]

Sony got destroyed today. They look like fools.

Ok, you keep posting variations on the same thing in all the threads now... are you 15? Are you mentally handicapped?

Grow up, please.

We get it, you don't like Sony, please, just shut the fuck up.

EDIT: Used the wrong word.

[TC]

youll almost never see that. Sony is too piracy crazy

I had to ask. $600 with Tivo would have been sweet.

[MadFlava]

So any word if this thing is going to be region encoded for the games or will it be like PSP where you can play import games on it but the UMD's are still region encoded. I hope Sony takes the PSP route because I will get a PS3 so I can play all those import PS1 and PS2 titles they never bring over here.

[Roufuss]

So any word if this thing is going to be region encoded for the games or will it be like PSP where you can play import games on it but the UMD's are still region encoded. I hope Sony takes the PSP route because I will get a PS3 so I can play all those import PS1 and PS2 titles they never bring over here.

Its region free, I think.

[spoo]

Its region free, I think.
PS3 games are region free but it is up in the air how the PS3 will handle PSX/PS2 games.

[crazytalkx]

Sony got destroyed today. They look like fools.


Agreed, although the Metal Gear Solid 4 trailer just realllllllllly fucking made me pee my pants.

[evilmax17]

IGN: Sony fails with press conference

http://insider.ign.com/teasers/706/706263.html

[jer7583]

Ok, you keep posting variations on the same thing in all the threads now... are you 15? Are you mentally handicapped?

Grow up, please.

We get it, you don't like Sony, please, just shut the fuck up.

EDIT: Used the wrong word.

I don't like $600 game systems, that's all. Good day.

[evilmax17]

Damn the PS3 got fat.

Last year's E3 - left
This year's E3 - right

It may weigh more than the original Xbox.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2948/ps2point52xw.jpg

[Javery]

IGN: Sony fails with press conference

http://insider.ign.com/teasers/706/706263.html

insiders only...

[botticus]

Damn the PS3 got fat.

Last year's E3 - left
This year's E3 - right

It may weigh more than the original Xbox.

Apparently they realized they needed fans and vents.

[Strell]

Yes but.

HOW BIG IS THE POWER SUPPLY?

/obvious

[Dr Mario Kart]

I already read somewhere that it is much heavier than the xbox1. xbox 1 was like between 3 and 4 kg. PS3 is over 5, supposedly.

[RedvsBlue]

Yes but.

HOW BIG IS THE POWER SUPPLY?

/obvious

Well let's see, its supposed to be more powerful and looks like it has more fans than the 360. That power supply is going to be HUGE!!!

[Backlash]

I never really understood why anyone cares about the weight, even with the original xbox. Are you carrying it around all day? Even if you are, "oh noes! 10 pounds! Can't...lift....it" It's nice to be a little smaller, but these aren't any bigger than stereo receivers, dvd players, all the other stuff in your entertainment center, etc.

The only thing it could possibly affect is shipping costs, if you need to send it somewhere or order online, I guess.