Sony controller rips off Nintendo

[Strell]

Why was the last thread closed, hmmm?

Don't even pretend that wasn't bullshit.

[KaneRobot]

Sonyyyyy.....what has becomeeee offff youuuuuu.


Five million negative style points to Sony.

[sleepy180]

they closed my topic? WTF. ok i dont want to discuss sony with sony fanboys. i want to discuss sony with nintendo fanboys. thats why i didnt post in the "huge ass ps3 topic"

now let it be lamo

http://emaxsaun.rh.rit.edu/sonwii.jpg

[youruglyclone]

psst...from what I've heard before the end of the conference, they're going to unveil a new name for the ps3 instead of going with the number they're opting for the name Piii...I wonder how they came up with it?


/end sarcasm

[CoffeeEdge]

Fuck Sony.

[Survivor Charlie]

I see the point. I too would like to discuss this without the fan boys creaming their shorts about Sony coping Nintendo.

People are ignoring that it only has 'Six degrees of motion sensoring."

Isn't that significantly more limited then Nintendo Wii?

[Skylander7]

I personally wonder how much Sony is losing per console.. I just don't see how it's possible for the manufacturing costs to be below $500 with the new format. As for innovation.. they do seem to be aiming to be an all-inclusive platform with an "Xbox-live-like" online service and a motion controller like Nintendo's.. Also, it seems as if Sony is flaunting Square support around in the same manner as a crackwhore would with a brand new pair of hooker boots or something.

[TimPV3]

I laughed my ass off at news of internal sensors. They actually one-upped Nintendo since they're internal and not external, man are those Nintendo fanboys going to be pissed.

[chargeup45]

I see the point. I too would like to discuss this without the fan boys creaming their shorts about Sony coping Nintendo.

People are ignoring that it only has 'Six degrees of motion sensoring."

Isn't that significantly more limited then Nintendo Wii?


I have no idea what "six degrees" means, but I was only viewing through a blog.

Anyway, it seems half-assed, at least compared to Nintendo. Something about hovering that controller up and down with two hands just seems very uncomfortable.

[SpottedNigel]

I laughed my ass off at news of internal sensors. They actually one-upped Nintendo since they're internal and not external, man are those Nintendo fanboys going to be pissed.

It can be internal since its only a small fraction of what Wii can do.
I'm just pissed since they started spouting the word innovative after everything they've said about the Revo controller

[jer7583]

It'll probably be used about as much as the "pressure sensitive" buttons on the Dual Shock 2, which is to say kojima and a few others will, but nobody else.

Sony has shown a whole new level of arrogance here. "the next gen does not arrive until PS3.. lol"

[whoknows]

hmmm...do I want to play with nunchucks or a dual shock 2?

[jeffreyjrose]

Fuck Sony.

Agreed.

[Moxio]

Fuck Sony.

We all feel that way.

[SpazX]

I don't see why they decided to spend the extra cash on that when they're already going to be losing tons of money.

[Ikohn4ever]

i guess when they meant that Nintendo isnt their competition, it meant they could just take an idea since they arent competing against them

[jer7583]

hmmm...do I want to play with nunchucks or a dual shock 2?

Nunchucks. They're more fun and you can scare away muggers.

Have fun with Devil May Cry 4. And Metal Gear 4. And Tekken 6. And Virtua Fighter 5. And Final Fantasy XIII, both of them. The PS3 lineup is a big joke.

[PawnTakesKing]

Ah, the air reeks of fanboys...on all sides...

[TimPV3]

My bad on the one-upping part, since it isn't as functional as Revolution. Christ, Sony, steal it right.


DAMNIT I NEED SOME PICTURES

[jer7583]

They should have just called the PS3 controller the Plagiariser.

[TimPV3]

What I don't understand is how it's suddenly motion sensitive. They couldn't have done this to developers overnight and just said hey it's motion sensitive now, they must have been planning this since E3 05.

Fuck, I swore if Sony did this I'd renounce my Sony faith since the fanboy wars are too much for me to take with all the copycat comments but I'm actually enjoying the hilarity of this as much as anybody enjoys the hilarity of Reggie.

[SpazX]

I'll be the first to say it:

Reggie will not be pleased. Necks will be broken and souls will be devoured.

[TimPV3]

I'll be the first to say it:

Reggie will not be pleased. Necks will be broken and souls will be devoured.
$20 says he bites the head off a live PS3 controller.

[Ecofreak]

Strell - chillax. It makes sense about closing down the threads and focusing all the raw, unabated fanboyism into one thread instead of having the fires spread all across CAG.

I'm as pissed as you are, but gotta pick our fights.

[SpottedNigel]

Please, feel free to resort to a personal attack. That makes you look so much more credible.

I also want you to reply to this post with "I called the italics too." Yea ok.

How can you even pretend that wasn't bullshit fanboyism at its finest, when we're dealing with something that is as blatant as copying a competitor?

I guess if they rolled out Sony Live service and had Sony Arcade, you'd be allowed to make a bullshit thread?

No, that would be wrong.

Calm down and put your cock back in your pants. We dont need any more exploded heads this evening.

[botticus]

What I don't understand is how it's suddenly motion sensitive. They couldn't have done this to developers overnight and just said hey it's motion sensitive now, they must have been planning this since E3 05.

Fuck, I swore if Sony did this I'd renounce my Sony faith since the fanboy wars are too much for me to take with all the copycat comments but I'm actually enjoying the hilarity of this as much as anybody enjoys the hilarity of Reggie.
That just means no one will use it. But now they can say "Hay guys! You don't need Kidtendo, we have motion detection! Hip to the max!"

And all this negative energy not directed at Sony seems so wasteful :(

[Rig]

It looked like he had a hard time controlling the plane when he was using the controller. Looked like a lot of effort to get his plane to go where he wanted.

When he said it had a secret, I knew what it was going to be. It is laughable that Sony said earlier they weren't intersted in what Nintendo was doing...

I will laugh if Reggie says something about their (Sony) controller tomorrow...

[Strell]

The censorship is more annoying that Cuntaragi being a shit eating motion sensing stealing goddamn motherfucker.

Someone is going to have to explain to me how either thread was out of line.

Except that they can't.

[Kaijufan]

I have no idea what "six degrees" means, but I was only viewing through a blog.

Anyway, it seems half-assed, at least compared to Nintendo. Something about hovering that controller up and down with two hands just seems very uncomfortable.
I would assume it means it has positive and negative x, y, and z axes.

[Francis]

hmmm...do I want to play with nunchucks or a dual shock 2?

Is there such a thing as a stupid question?

[willardhaven]

Reggie will represent tomorrow, I am sure of that.

[Z-Saber]

It's not a Dual Shock 2. It's a Dual Shock 3ii.

[chargeup45]

I would assume it means it has positive and negative x, y, and z axes.

That makes sense. My guess is that this becomes as marginally important to the PS3 as the Eyetoy was to PS2 (a few standalone games, random others which try to incorporate it). You knew Sony was gonna do this at some point, but I never figured they would be so blatant about trying to work it in before the launch.

This will definitely make Reggie's speech even more awesome, at least.

[Foolman]

I'll be the first to say it:

Reggie will not be pleased. Necks will be broken and souls will be devoured.

Sony will have to pick a new name for the PS3 after Reggie is done kicking it's ass.

[Roufuss]

Nunchucks. They're more fun and you can scare away muggers.

Have fun with Devil May Cry 4. And Metal Gear 4. And Tekken 6. And Virtua Fighter 5. And Final Fantasy XIII, both of them. The PS3 lineup is a big joke.

Wow, sequels to a bunch of hot selling games?

That's one awesome joke.

So funny to see gamers get their panties in a bunch, though.

[Survivor Charlie]

Sony just announced that the standard PS3 controller will include a 3 axis tilt sensor capable of detecting "360 degrees" of motion. The announcement was followed by a quick video, which, to the trained eye, demonstrated the limitations of their thinly veiled attempt to copy Nintendo's innovative Wii controller. They proudly asserted that the device was innovative (yes, but who's innovation?) and blithely pointed out that it requires no external sensors to function.

At what cost does the loss of external sensors come though? In short, the PS3 controller will only detect the tilt of the controller as it is moved. The demonstration showed a guy attempting to fly a plane from the game Warhawk with it. He made exaggerated motions, which turned the plane, but the plane returned to level before he moved the controller back. This is a far cry from the sensitivity of the Wii controller. The sensor bar allows the Wii to detect the precise location and orientation of the Wii controller even when it is not moving. This will enable a much larger range of applications (such as first person shooting to name just one). Of course, the Wii controller also has an accelerometer in the analog attachment as well.
-Planet Gamecube.

After watching the video again, it is clearly bogus. The controller only reconizes tilt. That's hardly on the level with the Wii. It's more like a glorified Power Glove.

[Doylerulez]

Eh, it was bound to happen sooner or later. I still wouldn't drop that much cash to play games, no matter the controller.

[Reality's Fringe]

I made a new sig for the occassion. It's kinda big, but ti gets the point across. enjoy!

[jer7583]

Wow, sequels to a bunch of hot selling games?

That's one awesome joke.

So funny to see gamers get their panties in a bunch, though.

no, sequels to things that we've been playing for the past 10 years, on the same controller we've been using for the past 10 years. It's boring.

"Iwata need not drop the bomb. Sony did it for him"

LOL THX TO TEH HOTT MARIOS

[gofishn]

It honestly looks like something they slapped on at the last minute to steal some of the Wii's thunder. As for tomorrow, consider Sony's ass kicked and name taken...

[Pylis]

Personally, I think that WarHawk or whatever it is looked far more difficult to control with the motion sensitive controller.

[Reality's Fringe]

Umm, didn't you guys listen to the press conference? Damnit, it's a SURPRISING NEW INNOVATION!

[Survivor Charlie]

It responded only to the tilt. Watch the video. It didn't matter how wide he was swinging his arms... the plane centered itself only when he TILTED the controller.

This is such a farce. I was stunned at first, now I'm just disgusted. "We don't rush unfinished products" says the company that gave us the PS2 that dies if exposed to air and the PSP with a defective button that's standard with each machine.

[whoknows]

Nunchucks. They're more fun and you can scare away muggers.

Have fun with Devil May Cry 4. And Metal Gear 4. And Tekken 6. And Virtua Fighter 5. And Final Fantasy XIII, both of them. The PS3 lineup is a big joke.
How is DMC4, MGS4, Final Fantasy 13, VF5, and Tekken 6 make it a "joke". Name a different console with a better lineup.

[Z-Saber]

It's a joke because it's nothing new. Our industry will die if we rehash everything ad nauseum.

[Reality's Fringe]

It's a joke because it's nothing new. Our industry will die if we rehash everything ad nauseum.

but...but, Dante will have much more realistic HAIR...and TATS, baby!

[whoknows]

It's a joke because it's nothing new. Our industry will die if we rehash everything ad nauseum.
I'm pretty sure he is being serious judging from his recent posts...

[Z-Saber]

but...but, Dante will have much more realistic HAIR...and TATS, baby!
I. Need. $600. Now.

[TimPV3]

Well this is an interesting article...

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3blog.html?topic_id=24600407

[Ikohn4ever]

How is DMC4, MGS4, Final Fantasy 13, VF5, and Tekken 6 make it a "joke". Name a different console with a better lineup.


what the hell do u mean by lineup, this isnt a launch lineup, we have no idea when any of these games are coming out. Heres a lineup, Zelda, Mario, PunchOut, Metroid Prime 3, Kid Icarus, etc. I am sure all of these are coming out eventually and that would be a better lineup.

[daroga]

I posted a few things in the PS3 thread, but I still can get over this...

Sony doesn't know who they are or what they're doing. Should they do HD with Microsoft? Motion Sensing with Nintendo? Aw, hell, do them both, combine the prices and there you go!

Stupidity, plain and simple. I'd like to know how much their losing on each console.

[whoknows]

what the hell do u mean by lineup, this isnt a launch lineup, we have no idea when any of these games are coming out. Heres a lineup, Zelda, Mario, PunchOut, Metroid Prime 3, Kid Icarus, etc. I am sure all of these are coming out eventually and that would be a better lineup.
Hey, I took what he said and called it a lineup just like him. I know they arent coming out at launch or probably anytime near launch, but they are still coming out, and to call those games a joke is pretty asinine IMO.

[botticus]

Well this is an interesting article...

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3blog.html?topic_id=24600407
Decent point, but I'm pretty sure a 7 year old Logitech gamepad was not the reason Sony put motion detection in their controller.

[Reality's Fringe]

Well this is an interesting article...

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3blog.html?topic_id=24600407


The tech isn't the point, it's the context. Sony is always saying how Nintendo means nothing to them, and they don't matter. Suddenly, their super secret awesome innovation for the nex-gen is a watered -down version of what Nintendo is doing? That's some bad storytelling, period. It wouldn't matter if Nintendo slapped a giant rubber dick on their controller; if Sony shoved one onto theirs it'd be some copy-cat shit, plain and simple.

[jer7583]

I was always told cheaters never prosper. Too bad that doesn't work in the real world.

Sony's like the big slob fat kid that sits next to you in grade school and never does any homework, but cheats off your test and gets by.

Nobody ever told sony that that shit catches up with you. Their time is over, as of now.

[Foolman]

RF's signature is so accurate. Nintendo doesn't even need to try to steal the show.

[Z-Saber]

The tech isn't the point, it's the context. Sony is always saying how Nintendo means nothing to them, and they don't matter. Suddenly, their super secret awesome innovation for the nex-gen is a watered -down version of what Nintendo is doing? That's some bad storytelling, period. It wouldn't matter if Nintendo slapped a giant rubber dick on their controller; if Sony shoved one onto theirs it'd be some copy-cat shit, plain and simple.
Sony's dick would be flacid, as opposed to Nintendo's rockhard, uncut... you get the picture.

[chewster777]

Geez, I'm a big fan of Sony AND Nintendo, but this is just dumb. They'll make Nintendo look like it's copying them when they show off the Wii. Ugh. Stealing ideas this quickly just isn't cool, Sony. Well, at least it's too late for the 360. :)

[daroga]

$10 says Sony took apart a copy of Kirby's Tilt 'n' Tumble and threw it into a DS shell.

[Strell]

Sony's dick would be flacid, as opposed to Nintendo's rockhard, uncut... you get the picture.

NO I DO NOT. PLEASE CONTINUE.

[Survivor Charlie]

At $599.99, I already know a lot of people who've crossed out PS3 on their wish lists. It's just too damn much money for a *VIDEO GAME* System. Ask 3DO.

That's what it should be called. The Sony Playstation 3DO.

[Robobandit]

I don't think Nintendo has anything to worry about from the dualshock 3.

Plus, we should see some awesome Reggie action tomorrow at the nintendo press conference

[Brak]

We should make a list of what Sony hasn't ripped off.

List:


--

And that, ladies and gentlemen, was the list.

[Z-Saber]

I never vehemently hated Sony until tonight. I'll still play with my PS2, and probably get a PS3 once it's down to $200 or less, but darn it, they MADE me hate them.

[daroga]

Ok, this is slightly off topic, but the $500 console won't have HDMI, right?

Isn't that needed to play their super-duper Blu-Ray movies?

[SpazX]

Ok, this is slightly off topic, but the $500 console won't have HDMI, right?

Isn't that needed to play their super-duper Blu-Ray movies?

I think that was a rumor and it was dispelled.

[javeryh]

I think Sony's dominance is coming to an end... they don't know what the fuck they are doing... jack of all trades, master of none...

[hohez]

When Sony announced the PlayStation 3 at last year's E3, one of the most impressive parts of the machine was its specs. The console was a gearhead's dream with three Ethernet parts, two HDMI ports, six USB ports, and a host of other features. Many wondered how Sony could pack so much into a sleek box and still price the system competitively.
How things have changed in a year.
According to the latest specifications released by Sony, the PS3 now only comes with one Ethernet port and four USB ports. Also, the lack of a second HDMI port means that the dual-screen setup running 1080p function that was shown off last year is no longer a possibility.
The PlayStation 3 will come in two configurations, one will have a 20GB hard drive and the other will have a 60GB hard drive. However, losing 40GB isn't the only downgrade with the 20GB version. The 20GB version, priced at $499, will not have Memory Stick, SD, or Compact Flash inputs, Wi-Fi capabilities, or any HDMI output.
The new motion-sensitive controller, included standard in both the 20GB and 60GB models, will lack a feature that was present in the PlayStation 2's DualShock 2 controller--vibration. Citing the new "six-degree," a statement from Sony says "vibration itself interferes with information detected by the sensor."
The removal of vibration could also have something to do with the lawsuit won (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145853.html) by Immersion Technologies, which sued Sony for copyright infringement based on the rumble feature in PlayStation controllers. Microsoft faced a similar suit, but settled out of court.


http://www.gamespot.com/news/6149552.html

Confirmation from Gamespot about the redone specs and whats missing and what isnt. No controller vibration = fail.

[javeryh]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6149552.html

Confirmation from Gamespot about the redone specs and whats missing and what isnt. No controller vibration = fail.

What is this, 1995?

[SpazX]

Really? No vibration? Will the Wii controller have vibration? That's one of those things that really added to the effect imo.

[Survivor Charlie]

So in other words, Sony completely decided to lie during the conference by saying the only difference was the size of the harddrive. $500 buys you something horrificly stripped down. I bet none of the industry magazines talk about that little nugget too much. I'm sure EGM is still throbbing over the pre-rendered videos.

[Foolman]

Many wondered how Sony could pack so much into a sleek box and still price the system competitively.

Hahaha.

[jer7583]

Yes, the Wiimote has rumble.

[daroga]

Really? No vibration? Will the Wii controller have vibration? That's one of those things that really added to the effect imo.
http://www.revolutionfanboy.com/2006/04/26/nintendo-of-canada-confirms-force-feedback/

[Quatli]

bah, Sony is beginning to piss me off more and more. If it wasnt for that damn Hideo Kojima I would cut all ties completely. Too bad the 'six-degrees' will most likely end up a gimmicky feature used in a few niche games. I wouldn't worry about it, it seems pretty clear that its a last-minute addition to steal some of Wii's thunder... I hope people call them on this. What a douchebag move.

[Z-Saber]

I just watched the Warhawk segment. And Nintendo has nothing to worry about. Not at all.

If anything, Sony should start worrying.

Granted, the 360 is going to be the underdog, trash-talked system of this generation, but admittedly coming out first will prove to be a good strategy for them. Their console is inferior to both Sony's and Nintendo's products, but is significantly cheaper than the PS3 and by the time the Wii comes out, it will likely drop to a similar price. I actually think Microsoft thought this through.

Nintendo's cheap and awesome console looks set to pwn up.

But Sony... well... they've got uberleet graphics. And a $600 price tag.

[SpazX]

I asked since it kinda made sense that the vibration could interfere with the motion detection and the wii controller has some of the same stuff inside it. If there's a way to make both work then of course it's just sony's cop-out explanation (I would find it hard to believe that they would take out vibration just to have the tilting feature anyway, so it's all just a cop-out).

[daroga]

For a little look on how the DS3 is not any competition for the Wiimote:
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/705/705870p1.html

[Z-Saber]

What time is the Nintendo conference and where can I watch it?

[Survivor Charlie]

It's so patheticly stripped down you have to wonder why they even bothered.

But the fucked up part is Sony had said, roughly one hour before they debuted the tilt-functions, that Sony didn't use "gimmicks."

That's what pisses me off about Sony. They have CONTEMPT for gamers. Contempt. They think throwing in some last minute, obviously tacked on features will appease the masses, then they have the nerve to accuse gamers of being ignorant to not realize the brilliance of their half-assed designs. Defective PSP button, anyone?

[FoeHammer]

complete douchebag move.

[Z-Saber]

I'm going to bed a happy man because when I wake up, Wii will have changed the world.

[jkam]

It's really not even funny anymore. Any gamer who doesn't realize that Sony has and will continue to copy Nintendo time and time again is living in a bubble. Regardless of innovations made by any company (Logitech, M$, etc.) Nintendo has always taken what's available and made it better by doing two things:

1. Creating software that works with whatever new feature absoutely flawlessly.

2. Making that software fun.

All in all innovation is great but what good is it without quality software to back it up? With sony they've added something to their controller but to me they don't contain the imagination to make it into something more than a fly by night attempt to steal Nintendo's thunder. Lame.

[jer7583]

the sad thing is that the mass market latches onto the tard sony version of nintendo's innovations, because of the name recognition and image.

[FoeHammer]

surely the masses will see through this.

[SpazX]

I can't think of a reason for them to bother with this other than these 2:

1. They want people to think the controller can do what the Wii controller can do. They can fool people that don't actually try the Wii (I think this one for marketing of course, but also that crazy deceptive demonstration makes me think this).

2. They couldn't put the vibration into their controller so they had to stick something in there to make it seem like they weren't downgrading it (a possibility because of the immersion lawsuit).

Maybe some of both, but they certainly didn't do it for games since merely adding tilt isn't good for much. If Nintendo can put vibration plus sensors in their controller I don't see Sony's "we can't put both, so we're leaving out vibration" as a valid reason (plus it makes no sense to take out vibration for something that probably 5 games will use well).

[sying]

BluRay is the new Disc Read Error

[Survivor Charlie]

LMAO, it sounds like some of the kiosks at the E3 'event' had problems and crashed several times.

Welcome to amature hour, seriously.

[cochesecochese]

Ye of little faith. You must realize the important thing to take away from all this: Sony has just validated everything Nintendo has been saying all along.

The graphics are amazing, yes. Technology is great. But the gameplay needs a kick in the pants. Tomorrow's going to be interesting.

[undyingforce5]

they closed my topic? WTF. ok i dont want to discuss sony with sony fanboys. i want to discuss sony with nintendo fanboys. thats why i didnt post in the "huge ass ps3 topic"

now let it be lamo

http://emaxsaun.rh.rit.edu/sonwii.jpg

nice picture...im gonna use that as part of my sig on another board

my only question is what Goldeneye sequal did Sony kinda of steal from Nintendo

thanks

[Dr Mario Kart]

LMAO, it sounds like some of the kiosks at the E3 'event' had problems and crashed several times.

Welcome to amature hour, seriously.

Source?

[CoffeeEdge]

The more I think about it, the more I realize how great this is!

Sony just GAVE the show to Nintendo! Seriously!

It's backfiring horribly. The show is a good as won by Nintendo. Awesome.

[RAMSTORIA]

i really dont care either way...

but to trade out rumble for a cheap tilt mechanism obviously because of nintendo... thats just dumb

[RedvsBlue]

So now it seems as if the PS3 is the result of a night of drunken sex between the 360 and the Wii.

[Vegan]

OMG you could tilt your controller to roll your Katamari LOLOLOL

[Skelah]

ugh i dont want another remote control its what turns me off of nintendos next system as it is that thing should be an extra type of controller u can buy like an eyetoy.

I want a gamepad this is very disapointing.

One word comes to mind tho thinking of nintendo probly shocked and scared OWNED.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Gamespot's Warhawk Impressions:
http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3story.html?sid=6149597&pid=928383


The game's running at a nicely smooth frame rate, and there are pretty good-looking particle effects and heat wash. The game's got good-looking clouds, water, and other environmental details too. Overall, it's a nice looking game that already seems to play well, even though the development team only recently incorporated the new controller's motion sensors. We're looking forward to seeing more of this one in the future.

[R1V3R5]

ugh i dont want another remote control its what turns me off of nintendos next system as it is that thing should be an extra type of controller u can buy like an eyetoy.

I want a gamepad this is very disapointing.

One word comes to mind tho thinking of nintendo probly shocked and scared OWNED.

What the hell are you talking about? The PS3 has a regular controller! The image on the first page is a modified image of the Wii controller to mock Sony. How the hell is Nintendo owned by a fucking silver ps2 pad?

[RonnieWrecked]

i can't believe sony is still using the same controller design from 10 or however many years ago.

am i the only person that hates the design?

[2Fast]

i can't believe sony is still using the same controller design from 10 or however many years ago.

am i the only person that hates the design?

I honestly thought they'd try to copycat the 360 controller's trigger buttons and analog stick placement. I never thought the Dual Shock controller was all that great anyway; just a SNES pad with analog sticks and an extra set of shoulder buttons.

[Dr Mario Kart]

just a SNES pad with analog sticks and an extra set of shoulder buttons.

YES! There are people that just dont see the resemblance. I really dont get it.

[RonnieWrecked]

YES! There are people that just dont see the resemblance. I really dont get it.

haha, i've never noticed that before. it seems like the only difference is the d-pad design and the start/select buttons are tilted.

and i'm sure they're roughly the same thickness too.

[dafunkk12]

YES! There are people that just dont see the resemblance. I really dont get it.
I was considering making one of my speeches for my class about the whole SNES-CD/PSX thing. One part was going to be about the PlayStation controllers, notably inferring how Sony was trying too hard to make sure their controller wasn't such an obvious SNES pad rip-off. Shapes instead of letters or even PC-style numbers? That's just unnatural! Segmented D-pad?! Making the start button look like a Play button?

Anyway, we can't really call this new controller a DualShock 3 because, well, the shock's gone. So...DualTilt 1?

[spoo]

Sorry if this is allready posted in this thread but didn't Sony copy MS controller?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004Z729/sr=1-38/qid=1147158005/ref=sr_1_38/102-9037799-6527351?%5Fencoding=UTF8

[dafunkk12]

Sorry if this is allready posted in this thread but didn't Sony copy MS controller?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004Z729/sr=1-38/qid=1147158005/ref=sr_1_38/102-9037799-6527351?%5Fencoding=UTF8
Yeah, apparently someone on Gamespot posted something about MS and Logitech already having made tilt-sensing controllers.

I remember playing with this thing a long time ago and after hearing about Sony's "surprising new innovation" immediately thought of it. I thought it came with Motocross Madness 2, though. Wow, shows how old I am. If anyone else remembers, the demo kiosk for this controller had a little submarine type game that was programmed onto a grid of LED lights.

[Demolition Man]

God is Sony so full of BS. "The next gen doesn't start until the PS3." Give me a break... wake me up when Nintendo takes back the King Of The Video Game Mountain. Its going to happen. I guarantee it.

[Ma12kez]

Well, at least it's not a batterang. However, it was uncalled for to call their new controller: "innovative.":shame:

[Francis]

It's weird how many people jokingly said Sony would steal the Wiimote idea.

Or were they not joking?

[Dr Mario Kart]

It's weird how many people jokingly said Sony would steal the Wiimote idea.

Or were they not joking?

There is a reason Nintendo is paranoid about showing their stuff. Sometimes its extreme, but its certainly not completely unfounded.

[Oops! I did it again.]

It can be internal since its only a small fraction of what Wii can do.
I'm just pissed since they started spouting the word innovative after everything they've said about the Revo controller

Yup. PS3's remote is cool but doesn't exactly steal Nintendo's thunder. Nintendo still appears to have the whole shabang in that department and PS3 having slight motion detection does not change that. I think it's great, personally. I'm really a fan of this new type of controlling so if Sony can do a VERY watered down version of it well, I'll totally enjoy it...but I know Nintendo is really going to rock it, and I know Wii will be THE console of choice when it comes to this new gaming experience.

Don't let it bother y'all too much! :) Wii will still be it's own thing, regardless of PS3 having a couple of the same features. Wii will have it's own thing going with it's own games that take SO MUCH MORE advantage of these unique features. Two totally different consoles doing different things.

[Oops! I did it again.]

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/705/705870p1.html

I don't know if anyone has posted that, but it's a pretty good look at why Sony's move really is not that big of a deal when it comes to the Wii's impact. As I was saying above, Wii has so much more capabilities than pure tilting - and developers have already started taking advantage of all Nintendo has to offer. Also, I'm sure Nintendo will acknowledge Sony's move today and point out, again, exactly why Wii is still THE console of choice when it comes to this interactive type of gaming. Tilting really is not a big deal at all, though yeah it does seem like a rip-off considering their timing.

[SpottedNigel]

...That horrible confrence wasnt a dream? Wow....

[daroga]

...That horrible confrence wasnt a dream? Wow....
Nope, it happened.

This all makes even less sense and is more pathetic after a night's sleep.

[Monsta Mack]

You know, the Wii name is starting to stick. Even though I wasn't very fond of it a few days ago.

I am fully with Nintendo now after this outright BS Sony is pulling. I plan on getting a Wii before I even touch a PS3 at this rate.

I hope Reggie rips Sony a new one later today.

[evanft]

I'll buy one for $200 in 5 years so I can play VF5, MGS4, etc.

[daroga]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/09/anatomy-of-shame-dual-shake-vs-wiimote/

[KaneRobot]

God is Sony so full of BS. "The next gen doesn't start until the PS3." Give me a break... wake me up when Nintendo takes back the King Of The Video Game Mountain. Its going to happen. I guarantee it.

No it won't.

They will be respected and honored guests within Microsoft's kingdom, however...as opposed to Sony, who will not be permitted within a mile of the castle and be forced to live in the wastelands by itself.

One thing we do agree on - Sony is primed for a fall.

[Puffa469]

No it won't.

They will be respected and honored guests within Microsoft's kingdom, however...as opposed to Sony, who will not be permitted within a mile of the castle and be forced to live in the wastelands by itself.

One thing we do agree on - Sony is primed for a fall.

How do you suppose the 360 will take the next gen crown without winning Japan? In 5 years I see the 360 as the 'System of a thousand FPS's'. Well, that and Madden.

[willardhaven]

The great thing about the Wii is that we can use the wavebird on it, perhaps even with the new games.

[Z-Saber]

The great thing about the Wii is that we can use the wavebird on it, perhaps even with the new games.
You can use the Wavebird on Gamecube games. I don't see it happening with Wii games.

[javeryh]

I just finished watching the Sony conference - the fucking balls on those guys is unbelievable.

Still, since the motion sensors were an obvious last minute add on I do not see how it would be comfortable to move around and press buttons at the same time.

[scottman]

When I first saw this thread, I actually thought Sony showed a black wiimote like on the first page. THAT would have been balls.

Their blatant copycat move will probably make me hold off on getting a ps3 even longer now, (as if the $600 price tag wasn't deterrent enough). And it does nothing to undo their "evil empire" reputation. But still, I have to say it was a clever move to differentiate themself from the xbox360 and steal some of Nintendo's thunder at the same time. I'm sure MS will introduce an add-on controller for their system soon. They've been around for years for PCs already. Nothing innovative there. There are tons of games that would benefit from this (GT with steering, ace combat flying, etc...). They should have thought of this on their own a long time ago. Let's hope most people see through the charade instead of thinking it's the same as what's in the Wii.

[jer7583]

does anyone care about the PS3 anymore after Nintendo and MS's amazing showings today?

[2poor]

does anyone care about the PS3 anymore after Nintendo and MS's amazing showings today?

What the fuck is the ps3?

[RedvsBlue]

does anyone care about the PS3 anymore after Nintendo and MS's amazing showings today?
One thing's for sure, they're going to have one HELL of an uphill battle at this point. It seems as if the price point was a huge hit and Nintendo's and Microsoft's shows just added insult to injury. Its almost like Sony is trying to combine both of those 2 systems into 1 but it seems pretty inferior to each in each way, well except graphics anyway.

[Rig]

does anyone care about the PS3 anymore after Nintendo and MS's amazing showings today?

I do. PS3 is expensive as hell, but I'd rather have a PS3 over a 360.

Wii > PS3 > 360

[botticus]

Well, at EB everyone was stoked about the Wii, liked what MS put out today, and laughed about the PS3 (all except the one guy who was going to a BD player anyway, so its cheap for him). But if the PS3 is going to try to make money on this by being a BD player, good luck. If the games don't sell, that's no good.

[RedvsBlue]

Well, at EB everyone was stoked about the Wii, liked what MS put out today, and laughed about the PS3 (all except the one guy who was going to a BD player anyway, so its cheap for him). But if the PS3 is going to try to make money on this by being a BD player, good luck. If the games don't sell, that's no good.

I gotta believe Sony's still taking quite a loss on each system so if they don't sell plenty of games the lifespan of the PS3 could end up being quite short.

[-Never4ever-]

So we go from the "Boomerang" to the Dual Shock 2, only now wireless with tilt funtions? Meh.

And here I thought M$ was going to be the one to drop the E3 ball . . .

[botticus]

So we go from the "Boomerang" to the Dual Shock 2, only now wireless with tilt funtions? Meh.

And here I thought M$ was going to be the one to drop the E3 ball . . .
MS had it easy. Their system was already out, so it was really just throwing out some new developments, new games, etc. They could have easily not been the most exciting as a result, but it'd be hard for them to have a BAD E3. Nintendo's was really make or break, but obviously it worked.

[zewone]

I like how this steals the thunder away from Pretendo's "exclusive" motion sensing controller, but more then likely it will be hardly used and look stupid compared to Pretendo's Wangmote (which is pretty hard to do).

[botticus]

I wonder if someone (^?) missed the conference today.

[jimbodan]

Seems to me like Sony cares more about trying to win the BLU-RAY war then they do about the console war.

[whoknows]

does anyone care about the PS3 anymore after Nintendo and MS's amazing showings today?
I do.

PS3 > Wii > 360 for me.

The Wii controller is used exactly as I thought it would be, and I couldn't care less about Halo 3.

MGS4 is really the best (console exclusive) game shown so far IMO.

[soonersfan60]

Yeah, apparently someone on Gamespot posted something about MS and Logitech already having made tilt-sensing controllers.

I remember playing with this thing a long time ago and after hearing about Sony's "surprising new innovation" immediately thought of it. I thought it came with Motocross Madness 2, though. Wow, shows how old I am. If anyone else remembers, the demo kiosk for this controller had a little submarine type game that was programmed onto a grid of LED lights.

There was also a Nintendo licensed controller for the original NES machine called GAMEHANDLER. It was released in 1991 and had motion sensing technology in it. The controller was also expandable, and had add-ons planned that expanded its functionality with many of the features that are popular today (including rumble feature and extra private screen--a la the GBA to GC connection).

Dane.

[screwkick]

Death to Sony and the Playstation!

[Blind the Thief]

I do.

PS3 > Wii > 360 for me.

The Wii controller is used exactly as I thought it would be, and I couldn't care less about Halo 3.

MGS4 is really the best (console exclusive) game shown so far IMO.

I'm more excited about Wii than anything, but as far as single best game...MGS4, hands-down. MGS3 is one of my all-time favorite games, so I was already anticipating this...but WOW. The trailers are amazing.

[Foolman]

It sucks that MGS4 can't come close to justifying the price.

And I thought this was interesting: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/09/dual-shake-functionality-tacked-on-at-last-minute/

I know a lot of people have been guessing that, but actually hearing it from a developer is just plain sad.

[Reality's Fringe]

It sucks that MGS4 can't come close to justifying the price.

And I thought this was interesting: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/09/dual-shake-functionality-tacked-on-at-last-minute/

I know a lot of people have been guessing that, but actually hearing it from a developer is just plain sad.

Ha, did anyone really think that this was like, in the works for a while? IT SENSE MOTION! Time to go 4D fellas!

[whoknows]

I'm more excited about Wii than anything, but as far as single best game...MGS4, hands-down. MGS3 is one of my all-time favorite games, so I was already anticipating this...but WOW. The trailers are amazing.
I'm not saying I'm not excited about the Wii, its just that Nintendo isnt being truly innovative with it yet and really using it. So far its just meh things IMO. I am excited though to see if something new is shown about it since I think the idea is really good, Nintendo just needs to really run with it. I will buy it though once they start bringing the really innovative and exciting ways to use it though (or when the Kojima game comes out which will most likely fill the need for innovation).

[trq]

I'm more excited about Wii than anything, but as far as single best game...MGS4, hands-down. MGS3 is one of my all-time favorite games, so I was already anticipating this...but WOW. The trailers are amazing.

Agreed. I just loved MGS3 to friggin' bits, and it pains me that I'm going to have to wait so long for a PS3 price drop to play it. But Kojima is freaking nuts about the Wii, so I have to hope that as one of the few third-party developers who had advance knowledge of the controller, he has something waiting in the wings.

[scottman]

I'm not saying I'm not excited about the Wii, its just that Nintendo isnt being truly innovative with it yet and really using it. So far its just meh things IMO. I am excited though to see if something new is shown about it since I think the idea is really good, Nintendo just needs to really run with it. I will buy it though once they start bringing the really innovative and exciting ways to use it though (or when the Kojima game comes out which will most likely fill the need for innovation).

Have you watched any of the videos yet? They have made motion-sensing versions of everything from swordfighting and grapple-hook link to samus shooting to tennis to something that looked like pilotwings to madden to somehow controlling mario. I doubt they would mess up mario or metroid mechanics. About the only thing they haven't hinted at yet is some "pleasure your wiimote" game.

[Strell]

About the only thing they haven't hinted at yet is some "pleasure your wiimote" game.

And let's face it. We're all going to do that anyway, regardless of if there's an official game for it or not.

[whoknows]

Have you watched any of the videos yet? They have made motion-sensing versions of everything from swordfighting and grapple-hook link to samus shooting to tennis to something that looked like pilotwings to madden to somehow controlling mario. I doubt they would mess up mario or metroid mechanics. About the only thing they haven't hinted at yet is some "pleasure your wiimote" game.
Yes, I've watched them. The sword fighting reminded me of that Star Wars arcade game where you fight Darth Vader with a lightsaber. I'm not saying what is being done is bad, I'm just saying it could go so much further and it should be. If Nintendo is taking the risk with the Wii, they really need to make it something amazing IMO.

[I AM WILLIAM H. MACY]

Sony's scam artists bitches deserve to fail.

Viva la next-gen! Out with the Sony, in with Nintendo and Microsoft!

But who should replace Sony? I vote Sega, their systems rules.

[willardhaven]

I can say I was bored to tears during the Sony conference, and my favorite systems for the past 2 generations have been PS1 and PS2.

I think Nintendo is set to do something great to the industry this fall.

The Wii controller just seems like something that they put a lot of effort and design into, whereas the PS3 controller looks like it was a mock up made last week.

I think they could have done a much better job with PS3 by making a wireless non-tilting controller, with a console around the power of the 360, with a small HD and a very easy development kit, giving it the ability to play PS1-PS3 games would have sold it for a lot of people.

[RedvsBlue]

Sony's scam artists bitches deserve to fail.

Viva la next-gen! Out with the Sony, in with Nintendo and Microsoft!

But who should replace Sony? I vote Sega, their systems rules.

That might create some kind of paradox or something because Sony is the new Sega.

[62t]

ZOMG Nintendo ripped off Microsoft
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2740/3c22c5971ke.jpg

[RedvsBlue]

ZOMG Nintendo ripped off Microsoft
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2740/3c22c5971ke.jpg

It isn't quite as obvious as Sony's knock off of the home button though...

[Z-Saber]

More like they ripped off browsers.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I heard they stole the idea of buttons.

[RedvsBlue]

God I love how people will never admit that its possible that Nintendo "borrowed" an idea from another company.

[botticus]

God I love how people will never admit that its possible that Nintendo "borrowed" an idea from another company.
That's not the point. When technology is adapted in further iterations that fit your needs, that's how things work and progress is made (analog stick, trigger buttons, etc).

When you release a controller, everyone hates it, and a competitor releases a totally different kind of controller, then 6 months later your controller is basically the same as it used to be, with similar technology to that of your competitor thrown on with no other goal than to just have it there, that's just pathetic.

If Sony had gyroscopic technology in the PS4, and actually PLANNED TO USE IT, this wouldn't really be a discussion.

[Strell]

God I love how people will never admit that its possible that Nintendo "borrowed" an idea from another company.

Man. That's like saying modern airplanes rip off the Wright brothers.

I love how people like to bash Nintendo under false pretenses and act like they have a damn point to begin with.

I mean, those fuckers use plastic too. Holy shit, they are ripping all KINDS of people off.

[RedvsBlue]

That's not the point. When technology is adapted in further iterations that fit your needs, that's how things work and progress is made (analog stick, trigger buttons, etc).

When you release a controller, everyone hates it, and a competitor releases a totally different kind of controller, then 6 months later your controller is basically the same as it used to be, with similar technology to that of your competitor thrown on with no other goal than to just have it there, that's just pathetic.

Actually I agree that Sony ripped off Nintendo BUT on the same hand Sony and Nintendo suddenly got the bright idea to add a home button to the controller after the 360 used the guide button so brilliantly. Both posts after mine commenting on that picture seem to refute that fact though because Nintendo never copies anyone else, they invent everything afterall.

Man. That's like saying modern airplanes rip off the Wright brothers.

I love how people like to bash Nintendo under false pretenses and act like they have a damn point to begin with.

I mean, those fuckers use plastic too. Holy shit, they are ripping all KINDS of people off.

My god, did I EVER bash Nintendo?!?! See this is why you Nintendo fanboys get a bad wrap, because you always jump on anyone's criticism about Nintendo and turn it into the fact that they're bashing Nintendo.

[Dr Mario Kart]

buttons are universal enough that you really cant STEAL them. Now going to a menu by pushing a button. Thats also everywhere, including on actual TV remote controls.

I'm not really familiar with Microsofts implementation of a button going to menu's thats so well done.

[botticus]

My god, did I EVER bash Nintendo?!?! See this is why you Nintendo fanboys get a bad wrap, because you always jump on anyone's criticism about Nintendo and turn it into the fact that they're bashing Nintendo.
I blame battered-wife syndrome... it's been going on for years. :-(

[Strell]

What's even the point of saying something like that to begin with then? "Well XX used YY back in the day. When shit was real."

What would even be the point of saying it? It IS a criticism.

And besides, we're not calling it an invention. We're calling it making it useful and placing it in a context that works. That's the fucking difference. Power Glove didn't work. Wiimote does.

Nintendo is the only fucking company that can do something different AND get rained on for it. Everyone else is just content to give us vanilla ice cream and tell us "well this year we added MORE sugar."

[RedvsBlue]

buttons are universal enough that you really cant STEAL them. Now going to a menu by pushing a button. Thats also everywhere, including on actual TV remote controls.

I'm not really familiar with Microsofts implementation of a button going to menu's thats so well done.

Ok, going to a menu by pressing a button is everywhere BUT tell me which gaming company had it before Microsoft?

What's even the point of saying something like that to begin with then? "Well XX used YY back in the day. When shit was real."

What would even be the point of saying it? It IS a criticism.

And besides, we're not calling it an invention. We're calling it making it useful and placing it in a context that works. That's the fucking difference. Power Glove didn't work. Wiimote does.

Nintendo is the only fucking company that can do something different AND get rained on for it. Everyone else is just content to give us vanilla ice cream and tell us "well this year we added MORE sugar."

Criticism is NOT the same thing as bashing.

[Roufuss]

And besides, we're not calling it an invention. We're calling it making it useful and placing it in a context that works. That's the fucking difference. Power Glove didn't work. Wiimote does.

Um... none of us have even used the Wiimote, so saying it works is kind of a large stretch. Sure, it looks great in the presentations, but I'm not going to say it "works" until the day I'm holding one in my hand trying it out for myself. For all we know, the Wiimote could be the world's biggest gimmick and fail miserably... doubtful, but its a possibility.

Even Power Glove probably seemed cool in Nintendo's early conferences. Hell, it looked to reinvent Punch Out... kind of.

[Strell]

Power Glove can't compare to Wiimote for several reasons. First, it's not integral to the experience. Second, Nintendo didn't make it. Third, no developers are frothing at the mouth at the Power Glove, and none of them ever did.

Ok I had fun with that terrible comparison.

Critcism is still casting something in a bad light. I'd sure hate to believe that forum boys know more about the Wiimote than everyone who has actually used it, but thankfully logic has no place on the Interweb, thereby affirming this idea.

And yea, I realize I can't say anything until I've used it myself. But I'm willing to hedge a bet when it's been almost universally applauded. I realize that is a hard, difficult, and complex concept for some people to understand, who are much more content to simply say "wtf that's not innovative tv remotes NFTW."

[Dr Mario Kart]

Um... none of us have even used the Wiimote, so saying it works is kind of a large stretch. Sure, it looks great in the presentations, but I'm not going to say it "works" until the day I'm holding one in my hand trying it out for myself.

Not absolutely everything requires personal verification. And really, its not even practical to get personal verification for everything, I'm not saying you're wrong for doubting though.

There are certain people in the development community whose opinion I hold in high regard. If Hideo Kojima or Suda 51 for example, tell me how magical it is, then pending my own verification, I choose to believe them.

[SpazX]

Everybody settle down.... back in the days sony was real....


Oh yeah and that's what I call a duck!

[botticus]

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3story.html?sid=6149724&pid=930752

One more positive hands-on review (though I'm hoping they dump the batteries and get a charger for the final version, even though I've only had to change my WaveBird batteries once in two years).

[Dr Mario Kart]

Many games, especially RPGs, have menus. Buttons, when pushed, will go to these menus. Clearly, if there is a particular menu outside of any games that needs to be accessible all the time, then a button needs to be set aside for this. Thats why TV remotes have menu buttons. I see where you are coming from with all this, but I think its too much of a stretch.

[vherub]

The classic controller configuration (which looks pretty solid, imo) certainly could be used for those traditional games that benefit from more buttons.
But keep in mind the paucity of the buttons for handhelds games and they can handle most tasks put upon them by good developers.

[Reality's Fringe]

Here's the deal:

For the better part of a year, Nintendo fans have been putting up with an insane amount of asinine bullshit from the general gaming community.
"OMG, it's a tv remotes lol!"
"ha ha powerglove thing. no one wants thbat, motion is too hard and tireing rofl"
"No HD, what the fuk is that! Ghey!"
"ha ha lols it's like only 2 times gamecube! ^_^"
It's like you can't even talk about Nintendo without people trying to (ironically) label you a "FANBOY" (which is a shitty term that has lost all meaning, by the way). I mean, it's bad enough that the DS is getting more acclaim than the PSP, right? Seriously, people can't stand the thought of that, so they take it out on something that is still conceptual.
Suddenly, E3 rolls around and Sony whips out its massive conference. They have to have something awesome up their sleeve to combat stupid little Nintendo. I mean, Nintendo is "ghey and lame and for kidz," right? They keep rehashig the same franchises over and over again, right? Well, Sony is able to change all that. They lower the lights and whip out their first game which is...GRAN TURISMO; the same game they showed when the Ps2 was young (honk!). Well, what next? FFXIII! That's a far step from all of Nintendo's rehashing, init? I mean, it's not a traditional Final Fantasy like X or something, it's got guns and action...like, well Final Fantasy Derge of Cerberus. Tekken 6, Ridge Racer 7, Virtual fighter 5, MGS4 (which was their "Ace in the hole" the last time they showed the Ps3), the new Getaway; but at least it's not Kiddy mario or something! Then at the end of the conference, Sony is totally about to destroy the old Nintendo convention with something new. It's a card up the sleeve, something to distinguish it from all the other consoles. What could it be? What new thing could they add to distinguish the Ps3? Motion sensing. The 4D phenomena was the "kiddy lamez lol" idea that Nintendo was using all along, only much, much, much shittier.
Now Nintendo has the big dick at E3, and is getting good press. Everyone who mocked the Wii is trying to save face by pulling out bullshit reasoning anywhere they can, or giving backhanded compliments so they can pretend to be this cool, level-headed dude. You can scream "POWERGLOVE" all you want, but it just doesn't work that way. If anything, Sony's 4D is the new POWERGLOVE with its half-assed controller based tilt detection.

Grammar is for the weak.

[RedvsBlue]

Here's the deal:

For the better part of a year, Nintendo fans have been putting up with an insane amount of asinine bullshit from the general gaming community.
"OMG, it's a tv remotes lol!"
"ha ha powerglove thing. no one wants thbat, motion is too hard and tireing rofl"
"No HD, what the fuk is that! Ghey!"
"ha ha lols it's like only 2 times gamecube! ^_^"
It's like you can't even talk about Nintendo without people trying to (ironically) label you a "FANBOY" (which is a shitty term that has lost all meaning, by the way). I mean, it's bad enough that the DS is getting more acclaim than the PSP, right? Seriously, people can't stand the thought of that, so they take it out on something that is still conceptual.
Suddenly, E3 rolls around and Sony whips out its massive conference. They have to have something awesome up their sleeve to combat stupid little Nintendo. I mean, Nintendo is "ghey and lame and for kidz," right? They keep rehashig the same franchises over and over again, right? Well, Sony is able to change all that. They lower the lights and whip out their first game which is...GRAN TURISMO; the same game they showed when the Ps2 was young (honk!). Well, what next? FFXIII! That's a far step from all of Nintendo's rehashing, init? I mean, it's not a traditional Final Fantasy like X or something, it's got guns and action...like, well Final Fantasy Derge of Cerberus. Tekken 6, Ridge Racer 7, Virtual fighter 5, MGS4 (which was their "Ace in the hole" the last time they showed the Ps3), the new Getaway; but at least it's not Kiddy mario or something! Then at the end of the conference, Sony is totally about to destroy the old Nintendo convention with something new. It's a card up the sleeve, something to distinguish it from all the other consoles. What could it be? What new thing could they add to distinguish the Ps3? Motion sensing. The 4D phenomena was the "kiddy lamez lol" idea that Nintendo was using all along, only much, much, much shittier.
Now Nintendo has the big dick at E3, and is getting good press. Everyone who mocked the Wii is trying to save face by pulling out bullshit reasoning anywhere they can, or giving backhanded compliments so they can pretend to be this cool, level-headed dude. You can scream "POWERGLOVE" all you want, but it just doesn't work that way. If anything, Sony's 4D is the new POWERGLOVE with its half-assed controller based tilt detection.

Grammar is for the weak.

Where's the crybaby picture when you need it?

I mean come on, aren't you being a bit melodramatic about this? With the epic retelling of it you'd think you were talking about a struggle for civil rights or women's sufrage. Calm down already.

"We shall over come"

[62t]

Ok, going to a menu by pressing a button is everywhere BUT tell me which gaming company had it before Microsoft?




Actually PSP have the home button before x360.

[RedvsBlue]

Actually PSP have the home button before x360.

It doesn't do the same thing. All the PSP button does is give you an option to end the game and return to the main menu. The 360 menu button gives you options inside the game without ending your session.

[62t]

Sony Didn't steal the Sensor idea from Nintendo...It was from Microsoft!

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=7097

[coltcannon]

Anyone look closely at the Wii hardware press pics? The connector for the sensor bar looks like a NES plug.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/91122885@N00/144061270/
Peace
coltcannon

[basketkase543]

Here's the deal:

For the better part of a year, Nintendo fans have been putting up with an insane amount of asinine bullshit from the general gaming community.
"OMG, it's a tv remotes lol!"
"ha ha powerglove thing. no one wants thbat, motion is too hard and tireing rofl"
"No HD, what the fuk is that! Ghey!"
"ha ha lols it's like only 2 times gamecube! ^_^"
It's like you can't even talk about Nintendo without people trying to (ironically) label you a "FANBOY" (which is a shitty term that has lost all meaning, by the way). I mean, it's bad enough that the DS is getting more acclaim than the PSP, right? Seriously, people can't stand the thought of that, so they take it out on something that is still conceptual.
Suddenly, E3 rolls around and Sony whips out its massive conference. They have to have something awesome up their sleeve to combat stupid little Nintendo. I mean, Nintendo is "ghey and lame and for kidz," right? They keep rehashig the same franchises over and over again, right? Well, Sony is able to change all that. They lower the lights and whip out their first game which is...GRAN TURISMO; the same game they showed when the Ps2 was young (honk!). Well, what next? FFXIII! That's a far step from all of Nintendo's rehashing, init? I mean, it's not a traditional Final Fantasy like X or something, it's got guns and action...like, well Final Fantasy Derge of Cerberus. Tekken 6, Ridge Racer 7, Virtual fighter 5, MGS4 (which was their "Ace in the hole" the last time they showed the Ps3), the new Getaway; but at least it's not Kiddy mario or something! Then at the end of the conference, Sony is totally about to destroy the old Nintendo convention with something new. It's a card up the sleeve, something to distinguish it from all the other consoles. What could it be? What new thing could they add to distinguish the Ps3? Motion sensing. The 4D phenomena was the "kiddy lamez lol" idea that Nintendo was using all along, only much, much, much shittier.
Now Nintendo has the big dick at E3, and is getting good press. Everyone who mocked the Wii is trying to save face by pulling out bullshit reasoning anywhere they can, or giving backhanded compliments so they can pretend to be this cool, level-headed dude. You can scream "POWERGLOVE" all you want, but it just doesn't work that way. If anything, Sony's 4D is the new POWERGLOVE with its half-assed controller based tilt detection.

Grammar is for the weak.


I feel what you're saying. I think that Sony has really found themselves in an ugly position amongst gamers. As Desi Arnaz would say, they have a lot of 'splainin to do to try and convince gamers why their premium system is worth almost $700 (after taxes).

[Apossum]

besides, it's not like the powerglove, it's more like the U-force :lol:

[Tromack]

I laughed my ass off at news of internal sensors. They actually one-upped Nintendo since they're internal and not external, man are those Nintendo fanboys going to be pissed.

The nunchaku part of the Nintendo controller does everything that the Sony controller does. The wii-mote does things that the sony controller can not hope to. So, it looks like Nintendo wins.

[dafunkk12]

http://www.planetgamecube.com/media.cfm?artid=2533&MedTID=1&medtndx=22056

Guys, that Home button was always there. But now it has a picture of a house.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Anyone look closely at the Wii hardware press pics? The connector for the sensor bar looks like a NES plug.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/91122885@N00/144061270/
Peace
coltcannon

Looks like a GC controller plug to me.

[Dr Mario Kart]

random idea. instead of the triggers on the nunchuck, there shouldve been a SCROLL WHEEL.

that would be neat.

[javeryh]

random idea. instead of the triggers on the nunchuck, there shouldve been a SCROLL WHEEL.

that would be neat.

Or better yet, a trackball on the end of it. :D

[Reality's Fringe]

Where's the crybaby picture when you need it?

I mean come on, aren't you being a bit melodramatic about this? With the epic retelling of it you'd think you were talking about a struggle for civil rights or women's sufrage. Calm down already.

"We shall over come"

Melodrama? No, I could've made it way more melodramatic. It's nothing epic, I'm not pounding my keyboard with a red face and eyes full of tears (but man, that would be sweet), it's just reality. People are excited about Nintendo again, and certain people (for whatever reason) can't take it. Do I delight in it? A little, in the same way I'd delight in my favorite team winning the playoffs after everyone said they suck. It's just that you read all this crap that's full of a bunch of backhanded compliments from people who think they're tricking everyone by trying to pull out this "well,actually, Sony didn't copy anybody it's *insert random product that has nothing to do with the current situation*." It's ok if you don't like Nintendo, just don't pretend that you just "think they can do a little better, I mean, it's good, but come on." That doesn't fly because it doesn't address what you think is wrong. Saying something general like "Well, it just didn't blow me away" means nothing because of the massive amount of things that could do that. If Mario jumping out of the Wii and making scat porn with your neighbor is what it takes to "blow you away"; yeah, Nintendo's showing wouldn't do much

[Foolman]

Red vs Blue has a point. But didn't the free hand remote already have a home button? They still could have taken the idea in the time between E3 05 and TGS 05, since it seems easy enough to implement. The home button is such a small thing that I'm not sure if it is really stealing or if it is just standardizing.

[MarioColbert]

Despite the fact that I came in late for this discussion, I'd like to be friendly and remind the Wii opposition about what they are up against:

Your mission, above and beyond all, is to change the minds of these insolent fools. Your mission is to tell them THE TRUTH. The truth, in this case, is that Nintendo games are not only not fun, but actually anti-American.

Mario, for example, condones monarchy, and uses a memeber of the proletariat to save a memeber of the Royal Family. If that isn't good enough for you, the game also envelops the idea of EVOLUTION, personified by the presence of Dinosaurs, which as you all know are not in the Bible.

Nintendo fans seem to rejoice in the fact that they are excited about a new system that they are interested in obtaining and enjoying. DO NOT LET THEM DO THAT. If you are an American, it is not only your right, but also your mission, to manifest your masculine supremacy. Do not forget: America is at war, and Nintendo is anti-American. If Nintendo will somehow have good sales, the war in Iraq will be lost, and these liberals (like Maddox) will prance with glee at the sight of another cartoony and childish (which means not fun and not good) Zelda game.

Shame on you, Nintendo crowd. Shame.

[botticus]

Best first post ever.

[javeryh]

Best first post ever.

That was pretty good - even used an SAT word in there...

[sarausagi]

All I wanted to see was FFXII, Xenosaga E3, and the new DDR games..has anyone even cared? No. I think I just might get a 360 and spend my days playing Phantasy Star Universe, Dead or Alive, and Dance Dance HD.

Seriously though, if you guys really believe Nintendo won't turn this into a gimmick, you're -kidding- yourselves. Nintendo's had the chance to make great things out of every possible add on to a console or gaming system...need I go on

NES
-
Power Glove
R.O.B.
Action Pad

SNES
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Mouse and Pad
Super Scope
Satellaview

N64
-
Nintendo 64 Microphone
Nintendo 64DD
Transfer Pack 64

Virtual Boy was its own system...and it failed.

Gamecube hasn't seen as many gimmick accesories, though the Gameboy link cable was HYPED and ended up being compatible with just ONE GAME and using it would cost your about $200 dollars if you didn't already have multiple Gameboys and copies of the same game...

Somebody please just admit, a sleeker Wavebird with a few more standard buttons coming as a pack in would have been such a better choice. The "Wiimote" is based on attachments, are you just going to keep buying them? You'll need at the very least the nunchuck and the console pad [the little Dual Shock/SNES pad] and sooner or later there will be add on after add on after add on. Fringe games will still require additonal controllers: dance pads, arcade sticks, percussions, microphones, etc. Traditional games will still work better with traditional controllers.

And like it or not, Sony could release the PS3 without the remote add on, without a hard drive, without Blu Ray, without HDMI, without memory card slots, and it will still sell, more than Wii, more than 360. Furthermore, when MGS4, FFXIII, and GT5 come out: you will all want one. Pile on the Blu Ray support, add in the backwards compatibility with PS2 and PS-One, plus the fact that in the end PS3 will still have every type of game imaginable, except nifty little motion sensing ones, you'll come on out. Next gen you'll still be wanting to play Street Fighter, SNK games, shoot em ups, obscure RPG's, music games, and Katamari like titles.

Besides, in the end, everything is the same. Swinging your hand to hit a tennis ball, slashing forward to swing a sword, twitching your hand to shoot a gun. You think this will bring indifferent teenage girls and grandmas to video games? They already think Mario is uncool, what makes you think being able to swing a pointy stick is going to change that?

Nintendo will live only through DS. And I'm just mad because I've wanted to see a little Xenosaga on TV and G4's just been showing their hosts talk about nothing for three hours and orgasming over a remote controller.

Edit: I'd just to add, I would have loved to see something like 64DD, the GB transfer pack, or the SuperScope take off. Those "gimmicks" were groundbreaking at their time and firsts for any console. I laugh when I think my relatively new dance pads are technology Nintendo invented 20 years ago. But with all those innovations, what have they done? Just 7 Mario Party games and a new Zelda every four years. Yet Microsoft took the hard drive [64DD] and did something huge with it. They pulled off LIVE [Satellaview] perfectly. Sony and Microsoft both did the microphone/headset justice. Konami took the NES action pad and created a worldwide phenomenon with it. I'd be willing to bet Sony or Microsoft could take a watered down Wiimote and actually make money off it, while Nintendo will just have to come up with a new Zelda to keep the fanboys happy. Ultimately, Nintendo's biggest success has 2 buttons and a rudimentary D-Pad. It's hard to keep it simple with hard drives, HD displays, and network cards flying around, but Nintendo says it's just about the games? Prove it, get rid of the remote, stick to a standard controller, and hit up a dozen solid launch titles [first party] and get Capcom, Square-Enix, Konami, Namco, and EA to actually care this time around and you might just find yourself in first place, at least second.

[Strell]

I love idiots!

Remember kids, you TOO can write a big long post, and STILL prove you're devoid of any shred of intelligence!

[Foolman]

Nintendo will live only through DS.

If the remote is a gimmick that is destined to fail, then so is the DS.


And I'm just mad because I've wanted to see a little Xenosaga on TV and G4's just been showing their hosts talk about nothing for three hours and orgasming over a remote controller.
Common sense would dictate they are showing more of the Wii because it is a CONSOLE and more people are interested than people that are interested in Xenosaga III. If you're mad, go blow of steam somewhere else.

[sarausagi]

If the remote is a gimmick that is destined to fail, then so is the DS.


Common sense would dictate they are showing more of the Wii because it is a CONSOLE and more people are interested than people that are interested in Xenosaga III. If you're mad, go blow of steam somewhere else.

"If the remote is a gimmick that is destined to fall, then so is the DS"

But that's not true, stylus technology has already been proven, it's been a hit and a money maker and a solid interface all people are familiar with through PDA's, cell phones, laptops, PC tablets, point of sale computers, and all sorts of appliances. The transition to gaming was only natural and it is as intuitive and flexible as a two buttoned mouse.

Even the media friendly blogs are posting evidence that this is old technology that never took off. A similar controller is for sale at BIG LOTS for $9.99, it uses motion sensors and gyroscopes to do what Wiimote is doing. People buy it cheap and still throw it away. A bigger example is XAVIX, both Circuit City, Best Buy, and the Shop at Home channels pushed it big, did it succeed? NO. Was it fun? For FIVE minutes.

I'm pretty much frustrated because the E3 scene this year is a Nintendo jerk off circle. There's about, hmm, fifty good games at E3 that you can play within months. I'm much more concerned with those.

[dastly75]

It seems the bet is on, will the Wii succeed. Some say no , others say yes. We shall see!

[Foolman]

Both technologies are proven to work. It's the software that ends up delivering. The DS had crap software for the longest time, but the Wii is already starting to show promising software. I'd say the Wii is definitely going to have a better launch than the DS.

Why the games that are coming out in a couple months aren't getting covered is an easy question to answer. We have already seen them!

[SpottedNigel]

"If the remote is a gimmick that is destined to fall, then so is the DS"

But that's not true, stylus technology has already been proven, it's been a hit and a money maker and a solid interface all people are familiar with through PDA's, cell phones, laptops, PC tablets, point of sale computers, and all sorts of appliances. The transition to gaming was only natural and it is as intuitive and flexible as a two buttoned mouse.

Even the media friendly blogs are posting evidence that this is old technology that never took off. A similar controller is for sale at BIG LOTS for $9.99, it uses motion sensors and gyroscopes to do what Wiimote is doing. People buy it cheap and still throw it away. A bigger example is XAVIX, both Circuit City, Best Buy, and the Shop at Home channels pushed it big, did it succeed? NO. Was it fun? For FIVE minutes.

I'm pretty much frustrated because the E3 scene this year is a Nintendo jerk off circle. There's about, hmm, fifty good games at E3 that you can play within months. I'm much more concerned with those.
The Sony controller and the cheapo PC controller are not the same. This is much closer to being a PC mouse, another object that has been a proven success.

Also comparing a PC controller to the Wii-mote (what MS and others said) and saying that the PC remote did very little and fell by the wayside is a moot point since PC's do not have a controller packed in every box.

Xavix, like the N-Gage, failed due to price. If Xavix was cheap and available at wal-mart, then it would have been huge. If N-gage was priced as a handheld, not a full-featured phone, it would have been at least somewhat viable for longer then it was. Wii is a lesser piece of computing hardware and will be priced accordingly.

EDIT: "Somebody please just admit, a sleeker Wavebird with a few more standard buttons coming as a pack in would have been such a better choice." Like hell I want more god-damned buttons. Might as well use a damn keyboard (or Z-Board!)

[sarausagi]

Both technologies are proven to work. It's the software that ends up delivering. The DS had crap software for the longest time, but the Wii is already starting to show promising software. I'd say the Wii is definitely going to have a better launch than the DS.

Why the games that are coming out in a couple months aren't getting covered is an easy question to answer. We have already seen them!

I think the real question to ask is this

Which Zelda will you buy?

Gamecube Twilight or Wii Twilight?

I think a poll answering that would reflect people's true feelings about Wii.

[Foolman]

I'll actually be getting the Wii Twilight Princess. I'm not seeing how one game can "reflect people's true feelings about the Wii." Twilight Princess wasn't even intended for the Wii.

[SMMM]

I think the real question to ask is this

Which Zelda will you buy?

Gamecube Twilight or Wii Twilight?

I think a poll answering that would reflect people's true feelings about Wii.

Wii Twilight, unless the GCN version came out first, then I would buy it again.

[Strell]

Well first off, your post is the result of angst. So that almost completely releases it from being logical, rational, or valid. But I'll bite anyway because I'm a little bored atm and don't have a terrible amount to do. I know this is a trap for all intents and purposes, but oh well.

So let's take away some of your weak arguments:
Power Glove - Not made by Nintendo, so that doesn't count. Isn't integral to the system, so no one gave a shit about it. Ahead of it's time and had terrible execution.

Power Pad - an initial foray into alternative input methods, and proved successful for some part. Didn't really take of, but did it's job.

R.O.B. - Yes, a gimmick, purely. But like the Power Glove, not integral to the experience and therefore not comparable to Wii.

Mouse - Sega did this as well and it went nowhere. Doesn't completely absolve Nintendo but it goes to show that console gaming isn't built very well for PC interfaces. At the time it was unveiled, PC gaming itself wasn't even using a mouse all that much. So I'm not sure why you'd bring this up.

Super Scope - A balls-out attempt to extreme-ify light guns. Marginally successful at best.

Satellaview - Only in Japan, was somewhat successful, and outlasted Xband. One of the first somewhat successful attempts at "internet" gaming on a home console.

N64 Mic - Hmmm. Birth of DC's mic, further integrated into GC, and a solid basis on the Xbox. Seems like it's been integral to gaming on a measurable level.

Transfer Pac - Only meant to do one thing, and it did it remarkably well.

64DD - A failure on all levels, but still served a purpose.

Virtual Boy - Same as 64 DD.

You're missing one big thing though. With the exception of the VB, *NONE* of these things had an entire console based around them. So compare apples to oranges all you want.

I think the point I'm trying to make here is that you fail to realize that all of these things have been utilized either by Nintendo or by their competitors in some form or fashion. The great thing about failures is that they always end up becoming valuable R&D. It's called experience, and the only time it is a total failure is when you can't learn from it. Additionally, you can argue that this is evident of Nintendo taking lots of risks and attempting to help their fanbase enjoy peripherals and games to their utmost potential. Why else would the Transfer Pac even exist, if not to allow gamers the all-important ability to move data between consoles? And this leads to things later on like GC-GBA cables, which will be furtherd in the Wii-DS wireless connections.

In other words, it might fail on some levels, but it prevails at later stages. The only way this stuff remains a detriment is if Nintendo still used them and refused to upgrade the technologies and techniques available on their console.

The point about the GBA-GC link only working with one game is false on a million and one levels, to the point where I don't even feel the need to defend it. That's just brash fanboyism speaking at its most raw.

As for the Wiimote itself, I highly doubt we'll see more than a few addons. And whereas MS or Sony would need to fashion a controller from scratch, Nintendo can just put them in a shell. That kind of modability is amazing, and follows an object-oriented like programming design. Instead of plunking down $200 for a Steel Batallion controllers, you can create a 20-30 dollar dock and get the exact same thing. Whether or not this happens remains to be seen, so maybe you'd like to stop being so close-minded about it?

In fact, the ultimate irony about your post is that you talk at length about a fringe game - DDR - and yet dismiss it as well. I don't know if that's the hip thing all the hep cats do these days, but how can you complain about something that radiates PURELY around the idea of getting non-gamers into the gaming industry?

Traditional games work with traditional controllers, and guess what, Nintendo knows that too. I don't know how you managed to miss A) a conventional shell, B) the conventional controller, and C) the fact that SSBB will have both motion and regular controls.

I'm not sure what kind of point you are trying to make by saying we want to play MGS4. I'd worry about any gamer that wouldn't. On top of that, what Sony COULD do is release a system that is somewhat less powerful, without the fluff, and sell it for less than 400 bucks. But they'd rather shove their own proprietary medium down our throats and tell us we want it, that we'll pay through the ass for it, and at the end of the day after we've spent 700 bucks, we'll FINALLY get to play MGS4. I wonder what happens if MS comes knocking on Konami's door and tells them to port it, and then proceeds to hand them a billion bucks. What happens to your argument then? If they can do it with GTA4 - which is an even larger franchise - then I'm pretty sure they could pull anything they want. No exclusitivity, but damn sure some ports.

Your comments about how the motion stuff is not worth it flies in the goddamn face of A) almost every developer comment, B) the 6+ hour long lines at E3, and C) seemingly every last preview and hands-on report that has come down the line. Again, what is ironic is that you talk a lot about DDR, which aims to do the same - get people playing who don't. The controller will do that, whether you like it or not. What the DS has started will be continued.

Finally, the whole thing about how Konami took Nintendo's archaic technology and used it in such a radical way is valid. So maybe, then, you'd like to tell me about the last time Konami had money, time, and people to invest in making a damn console? There's no way to say Nintendo would think up the same concepts as Katamari and DDR. But at the same time, when you have time and energy to devote to new methods of gameplay, you'll damn sure hit gold every once and a while. You know, kind of like how Nintendo has made a whole new goddamn interface for their next console.

You then take this to mean "well Sony or MS could make money of it." Which is completely right. They've taken almost everything Nintendo has done in the past and made money off it. So what is your goddamn point? I mean, why else does MS suddenly say they need more family friendly games? Why does Sony add in motion control? BECAUSE IT'S COMMONPLACE IN ALL INDUSTRIES TO COPY WHAT IS SUCCESSFUL. I mean, really, Sony! Connecting a portable to a console? What a fucking RADICAL idea!

Your post reeks of trendy Nintendo bashing, really.

[Namelessloser]

id take Wii Twilight, i want to play it to its fullest potential :)

[botticus]

Yeah, if we're actually taking a poll, I'll go for the Wii version if I had to choose. I may very well take both. Cause I'm a sucker.

Let's just make it official:
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93954

[Z-Saber]

I voted. As of now, the poll is 10:1 in favor of the Wii.

Someone spoke too soon... :D

[Reality's Fringe]

*edit* Screw it. On the internet, no one can hear reason.

[Brak]

There's no doubt that Sony is desperately trying to swipe Nintendo's ideas, but this was an interesting read:

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2006/05/09/sony-steals-motion-idea-but-not-from-nintendo/

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3blog.html?topic_id=24600407

(I thumbed through a few pages in this thread, so I apologize if this was posted already)

[RedvsBlue]

There's no doubt that Sony is desperately trying to swipe Nintendo's ideas, but this was an interesting read:

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2006/05/09/sony-steals-motion-idea-but-not-from-nintendo/

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3blog.html?topic_id=24600407

(I thumbed through a few pages in this thread, so I apologize if this was posted already)

Yeah great idea Sony, you get your asses handed to you in a lawsuit brought by Immersion about your controllers not too long ago so what do you do? Create a controller that blatantly rips off yet another company...

[chargeup45]

There's no doubt that Sony is desperately trying to swipe Nintendo's ideas, but this was an interesting read:

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2006/05/09/sony-steals-motion-idea-but-not-from-nintendo/

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3blog.html?topic_id=24600407

(I thumbed through a few pages in this thread, so I apologize if this was posted already)

I actually wasn't aware of that until the gamespot blog mentioned it... anyway, the Sidewinder is worth mentioning, but when I try to imagine what Sony was thinking when they threw this idea together, I dont think they're thinking "damn, that sidewinder thing was crazy, we've gotta get that into the DS3 somehow".

[FriskyTanuki]

Yeah great idea Sony, you get your asses handed to you in a lawsuit brought by Immersion about your controllers not too long ago so what do you do? Create a controller that blatantly rips off yet another company...
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/708/708601p1.html

"he noted that Sony had actually wanted to use the motion sensor technology in the PSP."

[Lobsterjohnson]

To paraphrase Sarausagi's comment,

"Who cares about technology and innovation when I can play the same old games with better graphics?! P.S. I'M BUYING PS3 BTW I'M RICH!!!!!"

Oh wait...a Dragon Quest is coming to the Wii...

[RedvsBlue]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/708/708601p1.html

"he noted that Sony had actually wanted to use the motion sensor technology in the PSP."

No way, if they had done that that PSP would have had the potential to be a lot more popular that it is. I can't imagine it would have added much to the price, Way to fumble that one sony...

[FriskyTanuki]

No way, if they had done that that PSP would have had the potential to be a lot more popular that it is. I can't imagine it would have added much to the price, Way to fumble that one sony...
Have you not seen how cramped the tech inside the PSP is without it? It would've meant a larger system and the size that the PSP is at right now is about perfect for the system. Games that can use motion tech can include their own sensor (like Mercury).

What's up with Nintendo's Super Dual Shock?

http://www.hardgame2.com/img/noticias/Eventos/E3_2006/wii_classic_controller.jpg

[RAMSTORIA]

To paraphrase Sarausagi's comment,

"Who cares about technology and innovation when I can play the same old games with better graphics?! P.S. I'M BUYING PS3 BTW I'M RICH!!!!!"

Oh wait...Dragon Quest is coming to the Wii...

no its not. its a spin off.

[RedvsBlue]

Have you not seen how cramped the tech inside the PSP is without it? It would've meant a larger system and the size that the PSP is at right now is about perfect for the system. Games that can use motion tech can include their own sensor (like Mercury).

What's up with Nintendo's Super Dual Shock?

http://www.hardgame2.com/img/noticias/Eventos/E3_2006/wii_classic_controller.jpg

Yeah I remember them talking about Mercury coming with a motion sensor that plugs into the USB. Then it was going to be sold seperately shortly after launch and that was the last they mentioned it.

[SpazX]

What's up with Nintendo's Super Dual Shock?

http://www.hardgame2.com/img/noticias/Eventos/E3_2006/wii_classic_controller.jpg

Looks like it was designed with the virtual console in mind. Playing genesis, nes, snes, turbografx, what have you would be a bitch if the d-pad was lowered like on gamecube and xbox controllers.

While it might be possible for games to be made for the Wii that use this controller, that's clearly not what Nintendo intends. Besides, they could always just use the gamecube controller if they want games to be made for Wii using traditional controls.

[Vegan]

What's up with Nintendo's Super Dual Shock?

http://www.hardgame2.com/img/noticias/Eventos/E3_2006/wii_classic_controller.jpg

It covers every prior Nintendo control scheme, including the N64 and Cube. It would've been nice to have the Z button on the underside, though. Ocarina of Time through the VC will be a bitch.

[FriskyTanuki]

It covers every prior Nintendo control scheme, including the N64 and Cube. It would've been nice to have the Z button on the underside, though. Ocarina of Time through the VC will be a bitch.
I know that. I'm talking about the obvious likeness to Sony's dual analog stick design. With everyone here going nuts over "ripoffs," I was surprised this wasn't mentioned at all. Plus, the setup reminds me of the RetroCon controller.

[Vegan]

Is there a more practical way they could've emulated the C-stick/C-buttons? This way, they're filling that need, AND making it possible for developers to make dual-analog games if they want to.

I don't know if it's Nintendo bias talking, but the Classic Controller seems more like a solution than a ripoff, while the PS3 controller seems more like a ripoff.

[jkam]

I know that. I'm talking about the obvious likeness to Sony's dual analog stick design. With everyone here going nuts over "ripoffs," I was surprised this wasn't mentioned at all. Plus, the setup reminds me of the RetroCon controller.

No one mentioned it because its blatantly obvious that the dual shock was a direct copy of the SNES pad with two analog sticks thrown on it. Two analog sticks that were put on after the N64 controller came out.

[SpazX]

I know that. I'm talking about the obvious likeness to Sony's dual analog stick design. With everyone here going nuts over "ripoffs," I was surprised this wasn't mentioned at all. Plus, the setup reminds me of the RetroCon controller.
Well obviously if you have two analog sticks, one accessible to each hand, as well as a d-pad, you're going to have to have it either the GC/xbox way or the dual shock way, there's no other way to do it unless the right stick is switched with the buttons, which is dumb.

Since the controller is probably made mostly for virtual console it's going to feature the d-pad as the main way to move and therefore it gets the top spot. It is very much like the retrocon, except the retrocon of course went more for an NES controller than SNES. That makes sense when that's exactly what they were trying to do with the controller: make it like the SNES controller but with more buttons and