The Difference between the two models!!!! (PS3)

[the3rdkey]

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/060509ae.pdf

499.99 version:

- No built-in Wi-fi
- No HDMI port
- No Memory Stick slot
- No SD card slot
- No Compact Flash slot
- 20GB hard drive

599.99 version:

- Includes everything including HDMI port, built-in Wi-Fi, 60GB hard drive, etc.

Props to OP from GameFAQs.

[halvorsb]

Ok, that makes much more sense than an additional 40GB for $100.

[Ecofreak]

Wow, they really nerfed the less expensive version.

Looks like I'll pick up a PS3 when it drops to around $300 .... in about 3-4 years.

[A7las]

Time to start saving $600...

[Rig]

Woah. I thought we were just paying $100 more for an extra 20 GB. Though, none of those missing features really bother me at this point in time. Maybe in the future I will/would want one with all the extras.

[Ikohn4ever]

dont u need hdmi for viewing some blueray dvds at its true quality?

[whoknows]

wow, I thought it was just the 40gb's I would be missing out on...now it seems like if I dont get the expensive version there isnt any point of me getting a PS3 at all.

[Apossum]

Okay, let's break this down.

--the 20 gig is purely for gaming. You use that space to save games and get DLC. it's what you need to game and can hold a decent amount of songs too. the one obvious disadvantage will be the lack of a memory stick port to put saves on.

--the 60 gig is extraneous. it'll store all that stuff for the one guy who'll get really into the whole karaoke thing and download everything off sonyTunes.


feel free to add.

seems like the difference between Sony and MS' package is that the more expensive version is the useless one ;)

[CheapyD]

thanks...ill add this to the press conference thread.

[the3rdkey]

Okay, let's break this down.

--the 20 gig is purely for gaming. You use that space to save games and get DLC. it's what you need to game and can hold a decent amount of songs too. the one obvious disadvantage will be the lack of a memory stick port to put saves on.

--the 60 gig is extraneous. it'll store all that stuff for the one guy who'll get really into the whole karaoke thing and download everything off sonyTunes.


feel free to add.

seems like the difference between Sony and MS' package is that the more expensive version is the useless one ;)

Did you even look at all the features the 499 one lacks?

[DualD]

And when the cheaper version boots up, instead of a chime or song the machine yells "why are you such a cheap ass? You should have worked move overtime."

[whoknows]

Did you even look at all the features the 499 one lacks?
I agree with Apossum though, if someone is getting a PS3 just for games then the $499 version is the obvious choice. Now that I think about it the only missing feature I would actually use would be the memory stick slot.

[Psykodelik]

Here's a thought. Since both versions carry USB ports. Would it be possible to use one for the mem cards? Logically it could be possible, but any thoughts?

[Ecofreak]

Here's a thought. Since both versions carry USB ports. Would it be possible to use one for the mem cards? Logically it could be possible, but any thoughts?

Or even better, an extral hard drive.

[wbc1228]

I'm going to go broke.

:-(

[Thongsy]

Well if the $499 model would be just for gaming, that would be fine, if you dropped out the blu-ray drive and drop the price the 100-200 dollars and put games on dvd. There is no way I'm getting one till it drops to a reasonable price.

[Apossum]

Did you even look at all the features the 499 one lacks?

yes

- No built-in Wi-fi -- fine by me
- No HDMI port -- don't care, can't afford an hdtv anyway and i wouldn't notice a huge difference (and i'd guess you'd have to buy an expensive HDMI cord seperate)
- No Memory Stick slot -- i won't use it as a media center anyway
- No SD card slot -- ditto
- No Compact Flash slot -- ditto
- 20GB hard drive -- more than enough to store game saves.

if all those features look good to you, then go for it. I just like playing games and watching the occasional DVD. the only reason why i'm considering a ps3 is because my favorite developers are on board with it and not the 360.

[WhipSmartBanky]

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced."

:rofl:

[marten]

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced."

:rofl:

That's not silence....listen carefully:

".........Wii-mote...........Wii-mote......Wii-mote......" :applause:

[Psykodelik]

I forgot, but it is possible to go wireless if you didnt get the $600. But then again, depending how much you pay of the component you're better off getting the $600.

Sorry but what's Wii? That the Nintendo Revolution?

[Kayden]

:lol:

"You dishonor your famary and shame your ancestors by buying anything less than the best."

And when the cheaper version boots up, instead of a chime or song the machine yells "why are you such a cheap ass? You should have worked move overtime."

[Apossum]

instead of a PS3 splash screen, you just get this:

http://www.hwsw.hu/kepek/szemely/kutaragi_ken.jpg

[CaptPete]

dont u need hdmi for viewing some blueray dvds at its true quality?

I don't think so.

I thought that most (all?) of the BluRay content suppliers said that they wouldn't turn on the `Image Constraint Token' to make your player downconvert for a couple years. There are still a lot of people with older HDTVs that only have component imputs.

[PenguinMaster]

I guess I'll be buying a 360 this year. I do care about the HDMI outputs (though I don't have an HDTV yet) and I definatly care about the Wi-fi. But even $500 is far too expensive for me.

[Chacrana]

Well there's really no way I won't get the PS3, but the launch titles are really what matter to me. I know I'll end up getting the more expensive model though simply because it has the HDMI capability.

[jcp4322]

where can i watch this, nobody has it up?

[gaelan]

did they mention games, blu ray content or online service?

[Ender]

I must admit, I am disappointed. $499 and $599 are really expensive, Blu-ray or not. I mean, at some point I'll definitely get a PS3. But not at launch, I'm sure. With this price point, it looks like the only next-gen bandwagon I'll be jumping on at launch will be Nintendo's.

The exclusion of HDMI output from the cheaper version is definitely a strategic move by Sony. You will have to drop the extra $100 to get a full-fledged Blu-ray player, which is crap. The cheapest version should include everything needed to make full use of the packaged technology, while the more expensive version should just add extras. This situation, however, is really a low-ball move, because it makes you choose between getting a gaming PS3 only, or a media-centric PS3. Geezus, $600......that's double the launch price of this generation. Ridiculous.

[Spoon_si]

the $100 difference is worster the the 360 package...

can they just skip blue-ray format & give everything else for $499

[mackaikai]

I don't think so.

I thought that most (all?) of the BluRay content suppliers said that they wouldn't turn on the `Image Constraint Token' to make your player downconvert for a couple years. There are still a lot of people with older HDTVs that only have component imputs.

you need that for 1080p
regular component cables will only give you 1080i

[dafoomie]

If the extra features on the $599 version were superfluous, they would have been better served going with one SKU, even if they kept a feature or two and launched at $549.

The HDMI port is a very big deal. Without it, the Blu-Ray player will be crippled. The studios have the option to make their movies play in a lower resolution unless its in HDMI, and while a few studios have commented that they won't use that initially, that is the key word here, initially. Its an optional feature, but so is Macrovision, and everyone and their mother uses that on their DVD's. Warner Brothers and Universal have indicated that they will definitely use it on their movies. Fox, Sony, and Disney will not use it right away.

What is the point of Blu-Ray when image quality won't be better than standard DVD? Standard, progressive scan DVD is 852x480. Blu-Ray with image constraint enabled is 960×540, not really any better. Certainly nothing compared to HD. You're better off just using a standard DVD player and not paying extra for Blu-Ray movies which won't look better.

[zindsoros]

I wonder whats going to be on the market a few years from now. That is, I wonder if MS/Sony are going to keep with the 2 different versions of their consoles or if at some point they are going to phase out the cheaper versions and have the only choice for buying new be the more expensive version. Either way 500 is still way more than I can spend on a system when I need to get a car ><.

[MrMaddness]

What pissed me off the most, is Ken Katuragi and that stupid fucking smirk on his face when they were showing off the PS3 controller.

That, and that they didn't even bother to say there was an actual difference in SKUs. Isn't that bait and switch? I can't wait to see what Reggie and Peter have to say tomorrow.

[epobirs]

All just so they can say the PS3 is under $500. Never mind the originally promised feature set if it lets the spokesholes make that claim.

[terribledeli]

That, and that they didn't even bother to say there was an actual difference in SKUs. Isn't that bait and switch?

Sony isn't going to actively voice that you're getting screwed over with the cheaper model. Microsoft's PR claimed that these watered consoles are for those only interested in the games. I imagine Sony will do the same.

Personally, I would have prefered them to take out the blu-ray player and offer a game console for $400.

[savestheday888]

instead of a PS3 splash screen, you just get this:

http://www.hwsw.hu/kepek/szemely/kutaragi_ken.jpg


He looks like a man that bought a 3DO.

[Masterkyo]

The-magicbox website list PlayStation 3 w/ 60GB HDD - US$550 instead $600. I think gamespot is misleading a little.

[Ikohn4ever]

The-magicbox website list PlayStation 3 w/ 60GB HDD - US$550 instead $600. I think gamespot is misleading a little.

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/3251/dsc24570fn.jpg

[RedvsBlue]

Wow, that kind of sucks. At least with the Core 360 you could eventually add on all the stuff that came in the premium 360 (except the silver accents). In the PS3's case, you buy the cheaper one, you're getting F'd in the A permanently.

[Vinny]

So they'll have the same SKUs... wow... can't see the reason behind that.:roll:

[peteyrose]

Okay, let's break this down.

--the 20 gig is purely for gaming. You use that space to save games and get DLC. it's what you need to game and can hold a decent amount of songs too. the one obvious disadvantage will be the lack of a memory stick port to put saves on.

--the 60 gig is extraneous. it'll store all that stuff for the one guy who'll get really into the whole karaoke thing and download everything off sonyTunes.


feel free to add.

seems like the difference between Sony and MS' package is that the more expensive version is the useless one ;)

What? Seriously, wow.

[Apossum]

What? Seriously, wow.


i forgot, memory card slots are important for....pictures and songs or something. and so is 1080p, which your tv can't do. don't forget the extra 40 gigs for karaoke songs off of sony's iTunes service. must have more more more useless shit :lol: :roll:

people get presented with 2 charts with prices and they automatically think the cheaper one is infinitely inferior...maybe sony isn't so dumb after all.
Look at the 360 core-- no hard drive. it's completely useless. That is inferior. Now look at the PS3 core-- it's same thing as the premium 360-- a 20 gig HD and hook ups, all you need to enjoy games on it, thus no reason to pay an extra $100.

is that hard to understand? you get bells and whistles for $100 more, but you don't need any of that crap to play a game. maybe i'm underestimating the public appeal of extraneous crap...

[RedvsBlue]

i forgot, memory card slots are important for....pictures and songs or something. and so is 1080p, which your tv can't do. don't forget the extra 40 gigs for karaoke songs off of sony's iTunes service. must have more more more useless shit :lol: :roll:

Yeah but the problem is you'll buy a cheaper model PS3 in '06 when 1080p is in a very few number of TVs. 3 years later when EVERY TV has 1080p, your stuck back in 2006 with no way to upgrade. Poor move Sony, poor move.

[dafoomie]

I just realized this.


If I'm correct, no memory stick = no connectivity to your PSP. No downloading original PS1 games off the internet to your PSP for you. No Riiiiiige Racer! And as far as I know, the cheap PS3 is always the cheap PS3, whereas you can just slap a hard drive into the core and its a premium 360.

[mietha]

I can't seriously believe this many people are even considering buying this POS. I'm sorry, for a PS3 WITH ONE GAME it will cost over 725 fucking dollars. I guess the people that spent $1200 on ebay for a 360 won't mind paying that, but unless you are loaded, that is just absurb. Fuck, if I was going to spend that kind of money on a console, I'd go buy a Neo Geo. At least that would have lasting value. If the PS3 ever drops to say, $200 or so, I would probably pick one up, but since the PS4 (if such a thing ever actually exists) will probably be out by then, there most likely wouldn't be much point at that time. I don't really see the point in dropping THAT much more on a PS3 if you already have a 360. It has a VERY marginal amount of more processing power, but since the vast majority of games are going to be released on both systems, the PS3 will just be using the 360 version anyway. To each his own I guess, but I just don't see it. I was at least looking forward to nintendo's system until they changed the name to the most god-awful name in the history of gaming... I'm just wondering if microsoft's gyroscope controller will beat the PS3 to market. My guess is yes, because you KNOW they are going to make one now.

[dmes65]

Damn sony is copying off of Microsoft and Nintendo. I'm glad there being creative here. No thanks Sony I will support M$ and Nintendo this round.

[mietha]

i forgot, memory card slots are important for....pictures and songs or something. and so is 1080p, which your tv can't do. don't forget the extra 40 gigs for karaoke songs off of sony's iTunes service. must have more more more useless shit :lol: :roll:

people get presented with 2 charts with prices and they automatically think the cheaper one is infinitely inferior...maybe sony isn't so dumb after all.
Look at the 360 core-- no hard drive. it's completely useless. That is inferior. Now look at the PS3 core-- it's same thing as the premium 360-- a 20 gig HD and hook ups, all you need to enjoy games on it, thus no reason to pay an extra $100.

is that hard to understand? you get bells and whistles for $100 more, but you don't need any of that crap to play a game. maybe i'm underestimating the public appeal of extraneous crap...

I don't think you've been paying much attention to the consumer base at large. This isn't 1995 anymore. Extraneous crap is what EVERYTHING is about. I mean, fuck, why does the video ipod even exist? It has, what, a 1.5 inch screen? But people buy it... for a large price... in large quantities. The bells and whistles are part of what makes the 360 so great, and I REALLY wish the HD had been larger than 20 gigs to start with.

[Ugamer_X]

I just realized this.


If I'm correct, no memory stick = no connectivity to your PSP. No downloading original PS1 games off the internet to your PSP for you. No Riiiiiige Racer! And as far as I know, the cheap PS3 is always the cheap PS3, whereas you can just slap a hard drive into the core and its a premium 360.
USB sound familiar?

[Apossum]

I don't think you've been paying much attention to the consumer base at large. This isn't 1995 anymore. Extraneous crap is what EVERYTHING is about. I mean, fuck, why does the video ipod even exist? It has, what, a 1.5 inch screen? But people buy it... for a large price... in large quantities. The bells and whistles are part of what makes the 360 so great, and I REALLY wish the HD had been larger than 20 gigs to start with.

that's true.

than consider my original posts a plea for cheapass sanity.

[CouRageouS]

Whats the deal with backwards compatibility? Any word on that? What I really want to know is how the PS3 will take my PS2/PS1 memory card saves. If I could go from the PS2 USB port to the PS3, that would be sweet to move all my saves from my PS2 HDD. Though it seems its going to be harder than that. My guess is that theres going to be some sort of PS2 memory card reader add-on that will cost me $29.99.

[dafoomie]

USB sound familiar?
The Sony press conference indicated that memory sticks would be used for this purpose.

I don't see the point of even having a slot for it on the PS3 if they could just do that. PSP's are all anyone uses those for. If those are going to be the standard memory cards for PS3, then that makes the cheap system even worse for not having one,

[Dr Mario Kart]

Yeah but the problem is you'll buy a cheaper model PS3 in '06 when 1080p is in a very few number of TVs. 3 years later when EVERY TV has 1080p, your stuck back in 2006 with no way to upgrade. Poor move Sony, poor move.

I think it'll be more than 3 years, but anyway, after a while, it'll be a more common standard on the NEXT generation of consoles, which will be backwards compatible. So this situation where you have no way upgrade doesnt come up, because you're going to be buying another system in the next...5-7 years anyway.

[Genocidal]

Whats the deal with backwards compatibility? Any word on that? What I really want to know is how the PS3 will take my PS2/PS1 memory card saves. If I could go from the PS2 USB port to the PS3, that would be sweet to move all my saves from my PS2 HDD. Though it seems its going to be harder than that. My guess is that theres going to be some sort of PS2 memory card reader add-on that will cost me $29.99.

Sony's said in the past that your PS1 and PS2 saves were a lost cause. Of course, they also said that they were only going to launch one model of PS3, so take that for what you will.

[RedvsBlue]

I think it'll be more than 3 years, but anyway, after a while, it'll be a more common standard on the NEXT generation of consoles, which will be backwards compatible. So this situation where you have no way upgrade doesnt come up, because you're going to be buying another system in the next...5-7 years anyway.

1080p is where 480p was 3-4 years ago. Now, you pretty much can't buy a TV that doesn't have 480p.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Of course, they also said that they were only going to launch one model of PS3

I remember reading all about how they thought dual SKUs were a bad idea with the 360 and they were going to go with a unified, single package. That was the first thing I thought of when they made the announcment earlier, was how it was a dirty lie.

[Dr Mario Kart]

1080p is where 480p was 3-4 years ago. Now, you pretty much can't buy a TV that doesn't have 480p.

I cant say that I've shopped for TVs lately, but it cant be THAT scarce. When my TV goes out, I'm going to buy someones used Standard Def TV off craigslist for like $20. I still use COMPOSITE VIDEO. Because thats how much I care.

[RedvsBlue]

I remember reading all about how they thought dual SKUs were a bad idea with the 360 and they were going to go with a unified, single package. That was the first thing I thought of when they made the announcment earlier, was how it was a dirty lie.

Don't forget the fact that the boomerang was the final design with only the possibility of "slight modifications" being made to it before launch. :rofl: Sony really seems like they are changing their entire plan for the PS3 every 2 months.

[KingDox]

Yeah but the problem is you'll buy a cheaper model PS3 in '06 when 1080p is in a very few number of TVs. 3 years later when EVERY TV has 1080p, your stuck back in 2006 with no way to upgrade. Poor move Sony, poor move.

Yeah, your going to care about the HDMI output in a few years. Sony wants to sell this thing for 10 years. I'm sure you going to care about the video quality in 2016. But maybe your "core" PS3 will break and you'll have to get a second one like so many people did with the PS2. You can make your 2nd PS3 the HDMI enabled one. So maybe you shouldn't worry about it.

[RedvsBlue]

Yeah, your going to care about the HDMI output in a few years. Sony wants to sell this thing for 10 years. I'm sure you going to care about the video quality in 2016. But maybe your "core" PS3 will break and you'll have to get a second one like so many people did with the PS2. You can make your 2nd PS3 the HDMI enabled one. So maybe you shouldn't worry about it.

So basically it shouldn't be a concern because you should plan on buying more than 1 PS3 anyway?!?!

[Genocidal]

I can't believe that anyone still believes anything said by Sony anymore. They say the PS3 will last 10 years now, but I'll be surprised if there aren't rumblings of a PS4 come 2010.

[Sulik2]

Time to start saving $600...

You could or for that same amount you could get:
Xbox 360 Premium
Play n Charge kit
Elder Scrolls 4
Call of Duty 2
Geomety Wars

Should be about the same after tax as just the PS3 system, and you can enjoy HD gaming for the next 6 months before PS3 is out. Those are just the 3 best 360 games out righ now, more are coming btween now and PS3 launch.

Don't get me wrong, I will get a PS3 eventually. But no game system is worth $600 before games, you can build a decent pc for that much and play a tremendously larger game library for the same amount, and have a pc you use for other stuff, or get a sweet load out for a 360. Sony is selling the PS3 as a cheap blu-ray player, not a game system.

[Dr Mario Kart]

We are the masters of finding cheap games. I honestly dont see myself spending more than $600 over the entire lifespan of the Wii, including hardware.

[CouRageouS]

Sony's said in the past that your PS1 and PS2 saves were a lost cause. Of course, they also said that they were only going to launch one model of PS3, so take that for what you will.
Really? Fuck man, I had the intention that the PS3 will replace my PS2 in my current setup. I've spent time, money, and energy building my collection of PS2/PS1 games and I can't even have my fucking saves anymore? They better do something about this.

[Chris in Cali]

I'll get the PS3 when the premium can be had for $199, until then I I'll be happy with my 360, and Wii.

[Skelah]

whats the situation of the games there pricetag?

if there going above 50 or 60 bucks im not gonna be able to get one of these for a very long time cause thats simply way to much money.

[Kendal]

wow, I thought it was just the 40gb's I would be missing out on...now it seems like if I dont get the expensive version there isnt any point of me getting a PS3 at all.

Kind of like the Xbox 360 models.

[doubledown]

I cannot believe they would NOT include the HDMI port on both. I thought Blu-Ray needed this for true HD quality.

[Ivanhoe]

xbox prem 399
xbox hd add on - 99-199 dollars.

= 499-599 for 360 with HD dvd playability.and 20gig hdd.

ps3 core
499
plays blue ray dvds.
20 gig hdd


price seems the same to me.


I dont like the idea of getting forced blueray technology.
but for about 100 bucks for it? its well worth it.

[doubledown]

xbox prem 399
xbox hd add on - 99-199 dollars.

= 499-599 for 360 with HD dvd playability.and 20gig hdd.

ps3 core
499
plays blue ray dvds.
20 gig hdd


price seems the same to me.


I dont like the idea of getting forced blueray technology.
but for about 100 bucks for it? its well worth it.

PS3 core = NO HDMI, which may have conflicts with some Blu-Ray movies. Please add $100.

[slidecage]

can you record tv programs with this system

hell even if you could turn in your PS2 system you would still have to come up with 500 bucks to upgrade.

I think when the ps2 came out you was only looking at a 150 upgrade.

good luck selling these sony you will need it. There isnt one game coming out that i want to play. Unless i over looked i didnt see any RPGS and dont expect to see any within the first 6 months to year . RIGHT?

[shipwreck]

If I'm thinking about this correctly, since the $500 version doesn't have wifi, that means there is no out-of-the-box PSP-PS3 connectivity. You would either have to buy a wifi adapter of some sort or possibly connect the two with a USB cable.

[DCriminal]

PS3 core = NO HDMI, which may have conflicts with some Blu-Ray movies. Please add $100.

This is the kicker that no one is paying attention to: Copy protection. Doubledown mentions it in passing, but I think it deserves to be highlighted a bit more. There is no way for the component interface to be HDCP compatible. Why is this important? To play most Blueray movies in High Definition, you will have to use the HDMI port. HDMI is HDCP compatible, while component and DVI are not.

Long story short: If you want to play Blueray DVD's in High Def (anything above 480p) on your HDTV, you will need to buy the $599 "premium" version.

[cdeener]

This is the kicker that no one is paying attention to: Copy protection. Doubledown mentions it in passing, but I think it deserves to be highlighted a bit more. There is no way for the component interface to be HDCP compatible. Why is this important? To play most Blueray movies in High Definition, you will have to use the HDMI port. HDMI is HDCP compatible, while component and DVI are not.

Long story short: If you want to play Blueray DVD's in High Def (anything above 480p) on your HDTV, you will need to buy the $599 "premium" version.

This is one of the reasons I think Sony is shooting itself in the foot because they are using a technology that hasn't fully been proven yet and they want everyone to jump on the Blu-ray bandwagon. If this doesn't do well it spells doom for Blu-ray as a disk format.

It looks to me that Sony is trying to take the only department in its company that is making money into another department that loses money every quarter by using this with Blu-ray. I will give credit to MS for at least starting out with the DVD technology of today so if HD-DVD doesn't take off they can stick with what they have now but in the case of Sony they are putting all of their eggs in one basket and hoping that it will catch on.

[doubledown]

Also, to comment on the HDMI thing. CURRENTLY, you can get a 1080i/720p picture through Component with HD-DVD players, but studios may limit this soon....so, your precious HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player may just be an overpriced DVD player that only can do 480p. Which sucks to those with OLDER HDTV's.

[evilmax17]

Do both versions have PS1/PS2 memory card slots?

[DCriminal]

Also, to comment on the HDMI thing. CURRENTLY, you can get a 1080i/720p picture through Component with HD-DVD players, but studios may limit this soon....so, your precious HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player may just be an overpriced DVD player that only can do 480p. Which sucks to those with OLDER HDTV's.

EXACTLY. Thanks for the clarification.

If anyone thinks that this won’t be the case, think again. Publishers (like Sony) and movie studios (like Sony) are paranoid about copy protecting their content when it comes to high definition. HDMI and Blueray were created to alleviate these concerns.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Do both versions have PS1/PS2 memory card slots?

eh? I thought that such slots were not confirmed to be in ANY version.

[Ivanhoe]

Do both versions have PS1/PS2 memory card slots?


no

[evilmax17]

eh? I thought that such slots were not confirmed to be in ANY version.
That's bad times.

[b3b0p]

You could or for that same amount you could get:
Xbox 360 Premium
Play n Charge kit
Elder Scrolls 4
Call of Duty 2
Geomety Wars

Should be about the same after tax as just the PS3 system, and you can enjoy HD gaming for the next 6 months before PS3 is out. Those are just the 3 best 360 games out righ now, more are coming btween now and PS3 launch.

Don't get me wrong, I will get a PS3 eventually. But no game system is worth $600 before games, you can build a decent pc for that much and play a tremendously larger game library for the same amount, and have a pc you use for other stuff, or get a sweet load out for a 360. Sony is selling the PS3 as a cheap blu-ray player, not a game system.
Except there is one problem, there are no games on Xbox 360 I want or that have been announced.

[MadFlava]

With the confusing 2 model scheme for PS3 and Xbox 360, I think they have open the door wide open for Nintendo in this next generation. If Nintendo can deliver Wii at a much reasonable price, line up some great games, get good 3rd party support, and deliver the promise of access to the entire Nintendo library, then Wii has a really good shot of challenging Sony and MS.

[happy]

I wasn't planning to get anything until prices drop, but if Wii is $200 and can play gamecube games I may get it. Been thinking of buying a cube anyway so I'd shell out another 100 for the Wii. As far as 360, even $400 is a ton and the thing has few games that seem remotely interesting (actually just oblivion)

[Walt Jay]

What I don't like is that I can't "build" a core system into a premium one if I wanted to since I can't add inputs like I could a HDD. There are too many differences between the two that can't be added on later for me to even consider the $499 model. But, $599 and $60 for one game plus tax is going to be ~$716 for me. Yikes!

[mmercer13]

I think Sony just shot themselves in the foot. 600.00 is A LOT of money and that's not even with tax, a game, extra controller, etc. I've always bought my consoles on launch day but that is just TOO MUCH money to spend. I'm technically not a cheapass either when it comes to these things. There is no doubt they'll sell it out because of early adopters but after that point with a 360, that may be cheaper, and the Wii on the shelf. This should be much more interesting than anticipated. Sony may have just priced themselves out of this for awhile.

[Xevious]

I'm sorry...$600 is too much. I have a million other things to spend $600 on. Also to factor in the price of $60 games. Maybe if I wait a year the price might come down.

[kittenkya]

well sony ps3 won't be number 1 in system wars plus I buying ps3 to way to
high for me I be getting nintendo wii and x-box360 instead like someone
said sony shot themself in foot so will take the crown mircosoft of nintendo

[Sarang01]

Also, to comment on the HDMI thing. CURRENTLY, you can get a 1080i/720p picture through Component with HD-DVD players, but studios may limit this soon....so, your precious HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player may just be an overpriced DVD player that only can do 480p. Which sucks to those with OLDER HDTV's.

Speaking of 1080p, is it confirmed that future HD-DVD's will be able to do this res. because I'll take a 2 disc HD-DVD set with an SED that has better PQ over a 1 disc Blu-Ray that would have worse.
Also has Sony confirmed all region backwards compatibility or what? Because if this can play imports I'll jump on the $600 one. Fuck buying a PS3 game on launch day I'll just buy some nice import PS2 games and enjoy myself.

[Fire]

$600 fucking insane. Period. Won't be buying it anytime soon. Waiting for multiple multiple price drops.

[draven80]

kinda off topic, but anyone catch the history of video gaming special? at the end, the guy was like, PS10, run hologram program # xxx, like star trek. point is, relating to the whole "PS3 will be around for 10 years", BS, i give it 3.

[Masterkyo]

Now, how much the cost of the PS3 game ?? it'll $50 or $60 ??

[pinoy530]

To play most Blueray movies in High Definition, you will have to use the HDMI port. HDMI is HDCP compatible, while component and DVI are not.

Long story short: If you want to play Blueray DVD's in High Def (anything above 480p) on your HDTV, you will need to buy the $599 "premium" version.

DVI is HDCP compatible. Granted, not all HDTVs with DVI are hdcp compliant, but its not like the analog component cables that cant have the copy protection.

If you have a dvi that is hdcp compliant you can get full resolution on image constrained discs, you'd just need a dvi-hdmi cable.

[Fire]

This is one of the reasons I think Sony is shooting itself in the foot because they are using a technology that hasn't fully been proven yet and they want everyone to jump on the Blu-ray bandwagon. If this doesn't do well it spells doom for Blu-ray as a disk format.

It looks to me that Sony is trying to take the only department in its company that is making money into another department that loses money every quarter by using this with Blu-ray. I will give credit to MS for at least starting out with the DVD technology of today so if HD-DVD doesn't take off they can stick with what they have now but in the case of Sony they are putting all of their eggs in one basket and hoping that it will catch on.

Agreed. QFT

[Fire]

Do both versions have PS1/PS2 memory card slots?

Sadly no at the moment. This is another absurd item of the PS3. How do you have full backwards compatability but no slot or anything when this has been such an integral part of previous systems.

[Milkyman]

how am i gonna play guitar hero on ps3?