The New War: Peter Moore praises Nintendo - taking the fight to Sony

[KaneRobot]

Article (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060511/tc_nm/expo_microsoft_dc;_ylt=AotbbE380L5H0lGvbeoc2wVU.3Q A;_ylu=X3oDMTA3cjE0b2MwBHNlYwM3Mzg-)

"Tell me why you would buy a $600 PS3?" Peter Moore, a Microsoft vice president, said in an interview. "People are going to buy two (machines.) They're going to buy an Xbox and they're going to buy a Wii ... for the price of one PS3."

And the really telling one:

"People will always gravitate toward a competitively priced product -- like what I believe Wii will be -- with innovative new designs and great intellectual property like Mario, Zelda and Metroid," Moore told Reuters.


While he's not telling us anything we didn't already know, and it's easy to see what he's trying to accomplish by saying this, it's still kind of surreal to hear it from one of the main Microsoft guys.

[mackaikai]

I guess he'll be buying a Wiiiiii

[Dr Mario Kart]

It does seem that Microsoft doesnt really consider Nintendo to be all that much of a threat as far as what they want to do. They're almost friendly sometimes. If Nintendo had larger scale, non-gaming aspirations, like living room/media functions, then this would not be the case.

His statements seem fairly accurate, and what we've been saying for a while now. Two machines for the price of one.

[mmn]

And this is the reason that when Nintendo finally decides to do the right thing and get out of the console wars, they'll put all their first party titles on a Microsoft machine.

[KaneRobot]

Someone else in a thread on the Revolution board made a good point earlier: with the Wii you'll get more exclusive stuff and different stuff at a low price, and with the 360 you get almost everything the PS3 does (and some AAA-level stuff it doesn't) at a lower price.

[SpottedNigel]

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5818/bizzarobust1nr.jpg
Can this E3 get any weirder????

[KaneRobot]

Someone needs to make some hasitly-created Photoshop job of the 360 and Wii logos pissing (wii-ing?) on the Sony logo. C'mon kids, everything is better with photoshopped pictures commemorating an occurrence in the gaming industry!

[SpottedNigel]

Make it Nintendo, Microsoft and Calvin pissing on a PS3 logo and you've got a bumpersticker.

[Snake2715]

.......when Nintendo finally decides to do the RIGHT thing and get out of the console wars....?????


Posts that make you go hmmm

[mmn]

Posts that make you go hmmm

Why would that post make you go "hmm"? My opinion is that Nintendo should stop trying to play catch up with their consoles and focus on keeping the lead in the handheld market. That would mean they could put Mario 35, Smash Brothers 12332, and Metroid Prime : Do the Same Stuff Over and Over Again on the 360.

[Dr Mario Kart]

thats extremely delusional thinking for a number of reasons. Maybe later I'll dig up some good editorials on the matter.

Even Nintendo's home console division makes money. As a business they are solid. Just to put this into context, making money is the exact opposite of losing 4 billion dollars. Who is trying to catch up? Does Apple need to leave the market? Their marketshare is so small.

Also, their software and hardware designs are intricately linked. No control over hardware designs fundementally changes the way they do their software design.

[KaneRobot]

Posts that make you go hmmm

If the Wii flops (huh huh) or the Wii is hard (huh huh) to sell....never mind, I'll start over.


I'm not that far off from the mmn post. I've been of the opinion for quite a while now that the best thing Nintendo could do is get an arrangement going with Microsoft where they are still completely independent on the creative end, but they have Microsoft's money and resources behind them. As long as Nintendo was completely comfortable that they weren't being stifled or controlled, I don't see how that would hurt Nintendo in any way, and I also don't see how it WOULDN'T improve their position quite a bit.

They'd still bring out whatever console they wanted, they'd still have whatever goofy/innovative products they wanted. They'd just have MS backing them in the areas they are lacking - promoting their console properly, etc.

Yeah, yeah, I know. "HORRIBLE IDEA" "IT WOULD RUIN NINTENDO." Whatever. Just keep telling yourselves that.

[Snake2715]

This is going to get off topic... But for anyone to go back to the old argument why does Nintendo need help? They have been in business for over 100 YEARS and only 1 quarter was ever not profitable. One quarter in over 100 years.

Get over yourself. If anyone thinks Nintendo needs to stop making consoles and port their games for another console it will never happen. They said it themselves if they cant make a console they are done they will not join someone.

Back on topic.

Microsoft wants Nintendo int he game and they wish the above propostions would come true because it would help them out in everything they are lacking.

So the next best thing is to blast the competion and stay friendly with nintendo and thats whats happening.

[Reality's Fringe]

This is going to get off topic... But for anyone to go back to the old argument why does Nintendo need help? They have been in business for over 100 YEARS and only 1 quarter was ever not profitable. One quarter in over 100 years.



Because people still think that "No.3"= "No-profit," for some reason. And that quarter (if we're talking about the same thing) wasn't unprofitable; their profits slipped.

In regards to this, of course Moore isn't going to try and jump all over the Wii. Nintendo has made it crystal clear that they're not trying to destory Sony or Microsoft. So, what would Moore say? "Ha ha, look at those graphics and that controller! Only 1 processor? We have 3! And what about that crazy controller?!" None of that would make any sense, and it would just make MS look, not only ridiculous, but worried on some level. Besides, with the Ps3 being $600 (unless you want the hyper-emasculated Yugo edition), this is a GOLDEN opportunity to claim that the 360 along with the Wii is the perfect choice. His goal isn't to sell Wiis and be buddy-buddy with Nintendo, it's to get people to not buy a PS3.

[KaneRobot]

Microsoft wants Nintendo int he game and they wish the above propostions would come true because it would help them out in everything they are lacking.

So the next best thing is to blast the competion and stay friendly with nintendo and thats whats happening.

Some of you are misinterpreting the OP. He's not saying that because he "wants to partner with Nintendo" or "wants Nintendo to succeed." He said it because he wants to further cut into the sales of the PS3. That's all there is to it. It was a nice gesture, but you can still see right through it. I just posted it because it was an interesting/strange story.

What does Microsoft "lack" that Nintendo has? Popular franchises? They're building/have built several already. Mainstream appeal? Done. Features that Sony's machine doesn't offer? Check. The love of the internet crowd? Who gives a fuck? They sold more systems than Nintendo, that's what matters.

Oh, I get it. A remote.

[Dr Mario Kart]

They sold more systems than Nintendo, that's what matters.

What matters in business is making money.

[danny-o]

Why would that post make you go "hmm"? My opinion is that Nintendo should stop trying to play catch up with their consoles and focus on keeping the lead in the handheld market. That would mean they could put Mario 35, Smash Brothers 12332, and Metroid Prime : Do the Same Stuff Over and Over Again on the 360.


Your obviously not a fan of these games...so what do you care?

[KaneRobot]

What matters in business is making money.

And if Nintendo is happy "making money" but having the least marketshare, bless them. It makes for a cute story if nothing else.

[Dr Mario Kart]

And if Microsoft is happy throwing away 4 billion dollars to be only marginally ahead, thats cute too.

[Dr Mario Kart]

and no one's franchises has the power of Nintendo's. Thats really their whole point.

[Mr Unoriginal]

That would mean they could put Mario 35, Smash Brothers 12332, and Metroid Prime : Do the Same Stuff Over and Over Again on the 360.


This argument is going to hold less and less water I think. Sure Mario has been in a million games, but it has been over the course of 20+ years, 7 consoles, etc. Franches by Sony like Sly, Ratchet and Clank, Jak, and GTA have already had 3 games each in only one generation on one console.

[Reality's Fringe]

And if Nintendo is happy "making money" but having the least marketshare, bless them. It makes for a cute story if nothing else.

From that article you just posted:

"Sony currently dominates the worldwide video game market with a 66 percent share, while Microsoft and Nintendo each hold 17 percent, according to Strategy Analytics."

So, from your arguement, they just blew 4 Billion trying to tie with Nintendo.


That being said, Sony is going ot have to do something hot to combat the fact that you can get 2 systems for the price of theirs.

[mmn]

Your obviously not a fan of these games...so what do you care?

I'm a fan of Microsoft, and I know if they had those franchises they would easily be the winners of the console wars.

Just because I'm not a fan doesn't mean I don't understand their appeal and impact on the gaming community.

This argument is going to hold less and less water I think. Sure Mario has been in a million games, but it has been over the course of 20+ years, 7 consoles, etc. Franches by Sony like Sly, Ratchet and Clank, Jak, and GTA have already had 3 games each in only one generation on one console.

Seems to me Sly, Ratchet and Clank, Jak, and GTA have sold quite a few more systems than Mario and Metroid have over the last couple of generations. Also, some argument could be made that Nintendo pretty much develops and designs its own franchises from the ground up, so they couldn't possibly have time to put out 3 Metroids, 3 Marios, and 3 Zeldas during one generation of consoles. The Sony franchises you mention are all developed by groups that can focus on those specific games.

But you're right. Every console has its share of sequels. I just get annoyed seeing people rip on Sony and Microsoft for it and ignore Nintendo doing the same thing.

[KaneRobot]

and no one's franchises has the power of Nintendo's. Thats really their whole point.

Funny, I thought GTA was a far more powerful. Halo ain't too shabby either. I must be living in some alternate universe.

You guys living in the 80's need to wake up. Mario is still a big name, but he's not the all-powerful highfather anymore....except to you guys. You know, you guys supporting the console with the least marketshare.

God damn, Microsoft is spending money to make money. Any elementary level person in the business world could tell you that's what you have to do. Microsoft can afford to lose that money to get their brand established, so they do. You guys think MS losing that money bothers them when they know their console has momentum now? It doesn't bother THEM anymore than it bothers Nintendo that they are bringing up the rear.


See what you guys got me off on here? I don't even hate Nintendo, I LIKE THEM.

[Grave_Addiction]

And this is the reason that when Nintendo finally decides to do the right thing and get out of the console wars, they'll put all their first party titles on a Microsoft machine.

Blashphemer!!!

If Nintendo got out of the console business, innovation in the gaming industry would be almost non-existant.

[javeryh]

What matters in business is making money.

Exactly. Nintendo isn't going anywhere.

[mmn]

Blashphemer!!!

If Nintendo got out of the console business, innovation in the gaming industry would be almost non-existant.

What the hell is innovative? Using a STYLUS and a second screen? Having a controller that has technology that was done 7 years ago on the PC?

I get that they're trying different stuff, and good for them. But to claim adding a second screen and using a stylus or a motion sensing controllter is more innovative than something like Xbox Live is just insane.

[shipwreck]

Okay, this thread is less about what Peter Moore said and more about what mmn said. And it's worse off because of it.


Back on topic.

Microsoft seems to making the right moves and saying all the right things to really claim a huge share of the market here in the U.S.

Maybe they have just been thinking the exact same thing as I have, but I know I'm going to just be a 360 & Wii household for quite a few years this generation.

[Scorch]

Oh boy.. could you imagine if MS and Nintendo made friends? I think that's cool though, they don't see Nintendo as a threat so they're being friendly towards them. How awesome would it be if they were friendly enough to borrow licenses and whatnot? Master Chief and Joanna Dark vs. Snake and Banjo Kazooie in Super Smash Bros.? You heard it here first, folks..

[KaneRobot]

What the hell is innovative?

QFT.

Are you guys just pulling these empty, meaningless comments from one source? Like some Wikipedia for Nintendo fans? Nintendo was dragged kicking and screaming into the modern era. The only reason they went to disc-based media and finally got off their ass on internet play was because they HAD to.

Nintendo is a good example of being focused on two extremes with nothing to fill it out in the middle. They are last to adopt new technology and have the least powerful console....but then throw something completely new out there.

I might buy Nintendo's new offering, but it definitely won't be on launch day as I'm wary of how this is all going to play out. I do love the DS though, so they've won me over there.

This is the last I'm going to say about it, as we've went too far off course. So if any Nintendo fan wants "the last word," go nuts. However, it's a little ridiculous to say mmn's post made stuff worse...if anything, moving it to the general board made it worse. This was going to happen eventually, you can't mention two consoles in one thread without something being touched off.

To bring it back around to the topic: I hope what Moore is speculating on is what winds up happening, as I think Sony has become far too arrogant and lazy to be the main representative of the industry.

I propose a Wii board vs. 360 board Uno tournament to settle this shit. Or not.

[Strell]

The level of stupid in this thread is enough to blow up planets.

Planets populated by kittens.

[javeryh]

Maybe they have just been thinking the exact same thing as I have, but I know I'm going to just be a 360 & Wii household for quite a few years this generation.

It's a no-brainer. If what people are saying is true about the relative equality in terms of power between the 360 and PS3 then there's almost no reason to buy a PS3 until it comes WAY down in price (and this is coming from a huge HD supporter who can't wait for high definition DVDs to be the norm). With the 360 (which continues to surprise me - Uno and the Lost Planet demo are a blast this week) and the Wii there will be way too many great games to play even without the PS3...

[Dr Mario Kart]

GTA isnt even pure first party, or we wouldnt be seeing any of them outside of the PS platform.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best_selling_video_games

Lets look at something that I like to call, Distribution. Look at the top selling games for all of the current gen systems.

Look at where the 1st/2nd party exclusives are. For the Gamecube, they cannabalize the top 10. 3rd parties are actually AFRAID of competing with Nintendo's internal software. This is a problem.

Now look at PS2/XBOX. Its the exact opposite case. 3rd party stuff is all over the top 10. Thats the point. Sure, there are massively huge hits like Halo, but 3rd parties do not fear 1st/2nd parties like they do from Nintendo.

[Reality's Fringe]

The level of stupid in this thread is enough to blow up planets.

Planets populated by kittens.

It must be that lack of marketshare.

[botticus]

Microsoft predicted on Tuesday it will have 10 million Xbox 360 consoles in the market before Sony launches the PS3.
:-s I was guessing they'll be a good 3 million ahead by November, maybe a bit more since, they sold 1.2 million through March. But 10 million? That's almost as many Xbox's as they've sold in 4.5 years (14 million domestically, compared to 11 million GameCubes, for the record ;) ).

Interesting though not unexpected marketing ploy. I wouldn't mind if those two got along in a PR sense. I'll probably end up with a 360 and Wii by the time the next generation rolls around, so works for me.

[shipwreck]

:-s I was guessing they'll be a good 3 million ahead by November, maybe a bit more since they sold 1.2 million through March. But 10 million? That's almost as many Xbox's as they've sold in 4 years.

Interesting though not unexpected marketing ploy. I wouldn't mind if those two got along in a PR sense.

I was thinking they've already shipped/sold close to 3 million already, but so many numbers have been thrown around by so many companies lately that maybe I'm mistaken. (I think that's the worldwide number though).

[botticus]

I was thinking they've already shipped/sold close to 3 million already, but so many numbers have been thrown around by so many companies lately that maybe I'm mistaken.
That's the most official number I've gotten, which was in the TIME article about the Rev. 33 million for the PS2, just so all the numbers are out there.

I guess part of it is if they use the Sony method of "shipped" or the consumer method of "sold."

[shipwreck]

That's the most official number I've gotten, which was in the TIME article about the Rev. 33 million for the PS2, just so all the numbers are out there.

I guess part of it is if they use the Sony method of "shipped" or the consumer method of "sold."

Well shipped/sold is pretty close to the same number at this point (well other than the 200,000 they shipped to Japan). (Again I'm not sure if that 200,000 number is correct, but my brain spit it out there for some reason).

If they start heavily advertising Gears Of War and Halo 3, I think they could get within a couple million of that 10 million number by November.

[KaneRobot]

The level of stupid in this thread is enough to blow up planets.

Planets populated by kittens.

Yeah, what we need to smarten this place up is another "OMG SONY STOLE NINTENDO'S CONTROLLER!" thread.

[Strell]

Yeah, what we need to smarten this place up is another "OMG SONY STOLE NINTENDO'S CONTROLLER!" thread.

I know.

I mean, another whole thread? That would make...what, three? And that's being generous by counting the closed one. If that were to happen, we'd be approaching approximately one-thousandth of the number of bullshit topics in non-Nintendo forums.

[Apossum]

nobody's buying Nintendo ever. marketshare is something Sony and Microsoft are wasting money on in hopes of making as much profit in the future as Nintendo is now, plain and simple.


On topic: very kind words from Moore-- but he doesn't like Nintendo, he just hates Sony.

[jpuma1]

this thread is funny. starting as a microsoft head's comment's article and reverting straight back to bickering over the pros and cons of each console. I love it! :bouncy:

But to echo most people's sentiments, Microsoft is just doing anything it can to pull market share away from Sony.

But to also repeat what I've said in other threads, No one is going anywhere, even Nintendo. I wouldn't even put Nintendo in the same category as Microsoft and Sony. They're trying to create completely different videogames. Let Sony and Microsoft bicker and spend their money trying to grab exclusives, because every game that comes out for the Wii will be exclusive to them, just because of the new gameplay possibilities offered by the tech.

and i can't resist:

I get that they're trying different stuff, and good for them. But to claim adding a second screen and using a stylus or a motion sensing controllter is more innovative than something like Xbox Live is just insane.

I'm sorry, but anything that Nintendo has come out with in the last few years, DS, touch screen, etc, is a helluva lot more innovative that Xbox Live. Playing videogames online wasn't invented by the Xbox.

[trip1eX]

Ms will be very polite with Nintendo because they want to buy them and have been rebuked in the past.

[TC]

Moore is right in my case. I've got a 360 and my next will be the Wii. It comes down to cash flow. The PS3 is the odd man out until there is a significant price reduction. I just can't afford to support all three right now.

[mmn]

Okay, this thread is less about what Peter Moore said and more about what mmn said. And it's worse off because of it.

Is it? Because I haven't seen any name calling yet. Just people having a discussion. IF it turns into "OMFG MY CONSOLE > URS" thread, then by all means, close it. But right now I think everyone is doing a pretty decent job posting their opinions in a civilized manner.

Playing videogames online wasn't invented by the Xbox.

And a touch screen and motion sensing technology wasn't invented by Nintendo.

Just like MS did with Live, Nintendo took good ideas that they knew worked and implimented it into their gaming systems. Risky? Sure. Clever? I'll give you that. But its not nearly as innovative as N-fans like to say it is.

[NeoFrank1]

I guess I'll never understand how people (aka fanboys) can claim that XBOX Live is innovative. To me, it's less revolutionary and more evolutionary. It's basically the "yeah, no shit" next step in gaming. Consoles have been trying to get gamers to play together online for a while now, it's just that M$ finally implemented it well in Xbox Live.

[defiance_17]

I guess I'll never understand how people (aka fanboys) can claim that XBOX Live is innovative. To me, it's less revolutionary and more evolutionary. It's basically the "yeah, no shit" next step in gaming. Consoles have been trying to get gamers to play together online for a while now, it's just that M$ finally implemented it well in Xbox Live.

While I agree with you, the same could be argued for Nintendo. I think most people would claim the "ultimate" goal for video games in general is fully-implemented virtual reality. The Wii's features are just another step closer to this.

[jpuma1]

Just like MS did with Live, Nintendo took good ideas that they knew worked and implimented it into their gaming systems. Risky? Sure. Clever? I'll give you that. But its not nearly as innovative as N-fans like to say it is.

But if I'm not mistaken, prior to Xbox Live, people were already playing videogames online at high levels, laddering, team battling and such, on PC games like Diablo, Starcraft, Everquest, and Counter Strike. I don't really see how XBox live added anything to the experience, save for probably being able to talk during battle, instead of typing.

I don't remember touch screen technology ever being implemented into gaming on this level, as well as double screens, or motion sensing technology, save for people probably playing solitare on their PDAs.

[mackaikai]

Moore is right in my case. I've got a 360 and my next will be the Wii. It comes down to cash flow. The PS3 is the odd man out until there is a significant price reduction. I just can't afford to support all three right now.

EXACTLY what's in my head

plus if nothing goes wrong, i'm getting my free ps3 from freepay :D

[Snake2715]

Is it? Because I haven't seen any name calling yet. Just people having a discussion. IF it turns into "OMFG MY CONSOLE > URS" thread, then by all means, close it. But right now I think everyone is doing a pretty decent job posting their opinions in a civilized manner.



And a touch screen and motion sensing technology wasn't invented by Nintendo.

Just like MS did with Live, Nintendo took good ideas that they knew worked and implimented it into their gaming systems. Risky? Sure. Clever? I'll give you that. But its not nearly as innovative as N-fans like to say it is.


I thought you were done? Or was it your evil twin? ... .")

Seriously though the Microsoft Sidewinder wasnt a pre Wii controller, neither was the gyroscopic Atari 2600 controller from 20 years ago. The Wii is a much better than those. Now if your talking the new PS3 controller that mimics the old Microsoft controller, while trying to mimic the Wii controller thats another story.

They implemented online play a long time ago to back in the Nes days... did Microsoft copy them? No. Live is a great feature, but to say that Microsoft wants to Buy Nintendo BUT Microsoft has nothing to gain from its purchase is beyond foolish.

You dont buy or even want to buy something that wont benefit you. Nintendo does have the biggest franchises still. Halo might have a record day for its second title but overall nintendo is leaps and bounds ahead numbers sold wise. The other thing to consider is japan and the older non gaming crowd as they remember Nintendo and the name still has impact there.

Anyway.

[mmn]

I thought you were done? Or was it your evil twin? ... .")

Seriously though the Microsoft Sidewinder wasnt a pre Wii controller, neither was the gyroscopic Atari 2600 controller from 20 years ago. The Wii is a much better than those. Now if your talking the new PS3 controller that mimics the old Microsoft controller, while trying to mimic the Wii controller thats another story.

They implemented online play a long time ago to back in the Nes days... did Microsoft copy them? No. Live is a great feature, but to say that Microsoft wants to Buy Nintendo BUT Microsoft has nothing to gain from its purchase is beyond foolish.

You dont buy or even want to buy something that wont benefit you. Nintendo does have the biggest franchises still. Halo might have a record day for its second title but overall nintendo is leaps and bounds ahead numbers sold wise. The other thing to consider is japan and the older non gaming crowd as they remember Nintendo and the name still has impact there.

Anyway.

Done? What are you talking about?

And I NEVER said Microsoft would BUY Nintendo. My exact quote was : "And this is the reason that when Nintendo finally decides to do the right thing and get out of the console wars, they'll put all their first party titles on a Microsoft machine". I'd imagine Nintendo would still be its own company, considering they'll never get out of the handheld market, if they ever did decide to put their first party games on another system.

You're right. The Wii controller is better than the Sidewinder and the old school Atari controller. But, again, they took an existing idea and improved on it, just like Microsoft did with Live, just like Sony did with the EyeToy, etc etc etc. The Wii controller is an evolution of motion technology as much as Xbox Live is an evolution of online technology.

And how can you just disregard Halo 2's record sales like it was meaningless? You can't possibly be comparing all the copies Nintendo has sold of Mario games combined with all the Halo sales, are you? Because y'know, that's a tad unfair considering Mario had a 20 year head start.

[the3rdkey]

I hate to say this but it is true. No one is a real gamer unless part of their heart belongs to Nintendo. I always own all the systems but I can honestly say I played more GCN than Xbox and PS2.

Feel free to troll away but I am right!

[jpuma1]

But, again, they took an existing idea and improved on it, just like Microsoft did with Live, just like Sony did with the EyeToy, etc etc etc. The Wii controller is an evolution of motion technology as much as Xbox Live is an evolution of online technology.

I hate to interject in what seems to be a conversation between two people, but can someone explain to me how XBox live improved upon online play? I don't see how they added anything to playing online, other than actually just offering xbox players the chance to play online.

[thorbahn3]

The last time I saw Microsoft saying something nice about Nintendo came from Ed Fries in EGM years ago. Oddly enough, Ed was never heard from again shortly after.

[Snake2715]

Done? What are you talking about?

And I NEVER said Microsoft would BUY Nintendo. My exact quote was : "And this is the reason that when Nintendo finally decides to do the right thing and get out of the console wars, they'll put all their first party titles on a Microsoft machine". I'd imagine Nintendo would still be its own company, considering they'll never get out of the handheld market, if they ever did decide to put their first party games on another system.

You're right. The Wii controller is better than the Sidewinder and the old school Atari controller. But, again, they took an existing idea and improved on it, just like Microsoft did with Live, just like Sony did with the EyeToy, etc etc etc. The Wii controller is an evolution of motion technology as much as Xbox Live is an evolution of online technology.

And how can you just disregard Halo 2's record sales like it was meaningless? You can't possibly be comparing all the copies Nintendo has sold of Mario games combined with all the Halo sales, are you? Because y'know, that's a tad unfair considering Mario had a 20 year head start.

Must have been your evil twin kaneRobot that said that then. I feel what your saying is right. However. Online was done on the systems before. Nes, Genesis, Dreamcast, Computers. Touch screen, motion contollers were not. They may have been by a thrid party but not right out of the box like Nintendo was doing.

As far as the sales go I guess Halo could catch Nintendo in 20 years but the sad truth is it really depends on what happens to the buying publics tastes. The market is flooded with FPS titles. So we will see.

[shipwreck]

I hate to interject in what seems to be a conversation between two people, but can someone explain to me how XBox live improved upon online play? I don't see how they added anything to playing online, other than actually just offering xbox players the chance to play online.

You've never played on Live have you? There's a reason everyone hopes Sony's online service is going to be similar.

[mmn]

I hate to interject in what seems to be a conversation between two people, but can someone explain to me how XBox live improved upon online play? I don't see how they added anything to playing online, other than actually just offering xbox players the chance to play online.

Well, I was going to add the word "console" next to online, but it just didn't flow as well. I get that PCers have been going online using the same type of features Xbox Live has for years now, but console gaming is what we're discussing here.

[jpuma1]

Well, I was going to add the word "console" next to online, but it just didn't flow as well. I get that PCers have been going online using the same type of features Xbox Live has for years now, but console gaming is what we're discussing here.

Ok. that's cool. I'm less confused now. However, that leads me to my next question. Weren't you the one who compared the Wii controller to the Sidewinder, which was a PC controller?


If we truly are only keeping with talking about consoles only, then

You've never played on Live have you? There's a reason everyone hopes Sony's online service is going to be similar.

This is valid. Live does have the first best online service for consoles. However, if we are mixing in apples and oranges, then 1) yes, I play Halo and Fight Night all the time on Xbox live, and 2) Xbox live is nothing different than Battle.net for Blizzard games, or going online to play Counter Strike in 2000.

[Mookyjooky]

Anyways, I think everyone needs to get a coke and smile and relax.

Note to Nintendo Fanboys: Nintendo HAS some awesome 1st party games. They always have, and always will. They are the "Disney" of the gaming industry. Alot of the popularity comes from awesome games, but alot comes from nostalgia. Dont tell me you dont see Nintendo Riding the Nostalgia wave all the way to the bank. How else would they of gotten people to buy another Tetris? Nintendo IS AWESOME. I'm not a fanboy, and I know this to be true. But get a grip, please. Gyroscopes and light gun technology is about as innovative as handheld touch screen technology. It was around for a loooong time via PC and PDA before it was made cool. "Innovation" is the keyword, but what we're really talking about is "polish". They polished old technology that no one cared about anymore, and made it awesome. I commend Nintendo for making what always seemed cool, more than just a secondary peripheral. Let us not forget about online, so far, I havent seen multiplayer online for anything. That could be a nail in a coffin. And Fanboys, please... before the DS came out, even experts thought that nintendo was going the way of Sega. They pull profit from not losing money on systems, and having awesome 1st party titles can only go so far... look at Sega.

Note to Xbox Fanboys: Yes, XBL is AWESOME. I really think that the other 2 systems will have a VERY hard time catching up to them. But the MS has only a few 1st party titles, cause they're new. Nintendo has been in the game for 20+ years. Thats going to take a while. But the Xbox 360 has an awesome headstart and these games look awesome and the Xbox 360 will have pretty much all the great 3rd party games. The PS2 was the weakest in graphics, but the 1st one out the gate, it helped them immencely. It just shows that people dont care about graphics as much as you think. Halo 2 in my opinion is one of the most polished games in the industry, I hope that more companies just start using Halo 2's online lobby system. Really, though why buy a PS3 when you get all you really need with a 360? Metal Gear isnt THAT great and it'll probably come out on the wii or 360 anyways in the end.

Sony Fanboys: Have fun waiting for your system to catch up to the bullshit graphics, and I love how they're so worried they had to steal some of Wii's thunder. Sony f*cked up BIG TIME, on this one. And EVERYONE knows it. If you pay $700 for a gaming system, you honestly need to re-evaluate your life.

Thats:

1/2 an Engagement ring
2 Courses at a Community College
1/2 A plane ticket to Japan or something else equally awesome.
2 Car Payments.
1 cheap Laptop
A set of cookware that will last you the rest of your life.
Taking someone you care about to New York.

$700? Christ.

I'm no fanboy, I just look at all the systems equally. Nintendo ISNT that innovative, but they ARE awesome. Microsoft ISNT that evil, cause from last console wars they're the only ones who actually tried. And Sony is becoming a joke, and Metal Gear is NOT a system seller. If Square decides to make the same games for Xbox 360 - all sony has left exclusive thats a system seller is Gran Turismo... and if Forza 2 + wireless racing wheel comes out first, they might not even have that.

In short, I'm an anti-fanboy, I just HATE one company. =)

[shipwreck]

Ok. that's cool. I'm less confused now. However, that leads me to my next question. Weren't you the one who compared the Wii controller to the Sidewinder, which was a PC controller?


If we truly are only keeping with talking about consoles only, then



This is valid. Live does have the first best online service for consoles. However, if we are mixing in apples and oranges, then 1) yes, I play Halo and Fight Night all the time on Xbox live, and 2) Xbox live is nothing different than Battle.net for Blizzard games, or going online to play Counter Strike in 2000.

I think the whole thing comes down to you can't say that Live isn't innovative because similar things have been done on the PC, but at the same time say that a touch screen and motion sensing is innovative when they've been done on the PC.

Who the hell cares anyway, the whole purpose of people expanding on others ideas is to try and give us the best experience possible. It's usually not the first company that innovates something that nails it down. It's usually the nth company down the road that finally turns the innovation into what the innovator could have only dreamed and gives the consumers what they want. The true innovators usually have a decent idea, but don't execute it to it's best potential.

[javeryh]

A set of cookware that will last you the rest of your life.

I thought this said "A set of cockware that will last you the rest of your life" and I've been laughing to myself for 5 minutes.

Nice post though and I feel pretty much the exact same way you do. I can afford $700 but there's no way in hell I'm going to spend it on a video game system when I can buy a Wii and 10 games for the same price (I already own a 360 already). Sony really effed this up.

[Mookyjooky]

Must have been your evil twin kaneRobot that said that then. I feel what your saying is right. However. Online was done on the systems before. Nes, Genesis, Dreamcast, Computers. Touch screen, motion contollers were not. They may have been by a thrid party but not right out of the box like Nintendo was doing.

As far as the sales go I guess Halo could catch Nintendo in 20 years but the sad truth is it really depends on what happens to the buying publics tastes. The market is flooded with FPS titles. So we will see.

I didnt know that the Nes and Genesis were online right out of the box! Damn!

[daroga]

I didnt know that the Nes and Genesis were online right out of the box! Damn!
you had to use the SECRET yellow and white cords. None of that sissy RF switch stuff ;)

[shipwreck]

I didnt know that the Nes and Genesis were online right out of the box! Damn!

Not that it fucking matters, but the Xbox wasn't either.

[Mookyjooky]

Not that it fucking matters, but the Xbox wasn't either.

Well, I didnt put Dreamcast with that - because it had a 56k built in. Just like the Xbox's broadband. I'm pretty sure a majority of people here put the Xbox online the day they set it up for the 1st time.

In fact, I really dont remember Nintendo having X-band, like Genesis and Snes did. Did it really go online?

[shipwreck]

Well, I didnt put Dreamcast with that - because it had a 56k built in. Just like the Xbox's broadband. I'm pretty sure a majority of people here put the Xbox online the day they set it up for the 1st time.

In fact, I really dont remember Nintendo having X-band, like Genesis and Snes did. Did it really go online?

Xbox Live didn't officially launch until a year after the system was out, but I guess you are right in saying "majority of people" since I'm sure more people bought it after the first year.

What was this topic about again?

[Mookyjooky]

What was this topic about again?

Jesus - and how his love fills me entirely. Like a Sausage.

[Snake2715]

In short, I'm an anti-fanboy, I just HATE one company. =)

I like that.

[TC]

Xbox live is nothing different than Battle.net for Blizzard games, or going online to play Counter Strike in 2000.

After sitting in front of a computer half the day at work. I'll never be able to come home and play a computer game.

[daroga]

In fact, I really dont remember Nintendo having X-band, like Genesis and Snes did. Did it really go online?

I'm unclear on whether the NES had anything like that, but the Famicom sure did. They had their own little pre-internet going over there with that system, completel with online shopping and such. I'll see if I can find the link about it...

[Puffa469]

I'll preface this by saying Im not a fanboy of any company. I have all the current/last gen consoles and have plenty of games I enjoy on each.

I'll get a Wii for Nintendo first party stuff no doubt.

And I'll get a second console. 3 days ago I woulda told you it was gonna be a PS3.... but now Im not sure. Cos for $700 Sony can kiss my ass. ($700=PS3+tax+game)

The thing is, that doesnt automatically switch my choice to a 360. Why?

Cos they have no Japanese support. My favorite games are Japanese developed ones, the rpgs, the weird quirky stuff from Atlus, and NIS. Will there be anything like this on the 360?

So far all Ive seen on the 360 is:

- FPS's - I'll play these on my PC where they control well thank you.
- Racing games - I can only play soo many of these
- Sports games - no thanks
- Licensed Movie games - no thanks
- Urban themed GTA clones - no thanks

And all I really see coming for the 360 is more of those type of games. Theres never going to be a Katamari Damacy, or a Disgaea, or an Ico on the 360.

So as of right now, I only plan on getting a Wii. Which sucks, cos I want the other systems too. But I need PS3 to be cheaper, and I need the 360 to be accepted in Japan... and it looks like neither of these two things is going to happen.

Im not a fanboy, Im just a gaming fan in general, and right now Im a very sad and dissapointed one.

[Snake2715]

After sitting in front of a computer half the day at work. I'll never be able to come home and play a computer game.

If you had it hooked to your tv in front of your couch you could!

[itspaidgasterblaster]

I'll preface this by saying Im not a fanboy of any company. I have all the current/last gen consoles and have plenty of games I enjoy on each.

I'll get a Wii for Nintendo first party stuff no doubt.

And I'll get a second console. 3 days ago I woulda told you it was gonna be a PS3.... but now Im not sure. Cos for $700 Sony can kiss my ass. ($700=PS3+tax+game)

The thing is, that doesnt automatically switch my choice to a 360. Why?

Cos they have no Japanese support. My favorite games are Japanese developed ones, the rpgs, the weird quirky stuff from Atlus, and NIS. Will there be anything like this on the 360?

So far all Ive seen on the 360 is:

- FPS's - I'll play these on my PC where they control well thank you.
- Racing games - I can only play soo many of these
- Sports games - no thanks
- Licensed Movie games - no thanks
- Urban themed GTA clones - no thanks

And all I really see coming for the 360 is more of those type of games. Theres never going to be a Katamari Damacy, or a Disgaea, or an Ico on the 360.

So as of right now, I only plan on getting a Wii. Which sucks, cos I want the other systems too. But I need PS3 to be cheaper, and I need the 360 to be accepted in Japan... and it looks like neither of these two things is going to happen.

Im not a fanboy, Im just a gaming fan in general, and right now Im a very sad and dissapointed one.



My thoughts exactly on the 360, while i own the console it does not fill that hole that most likely PS3 will be able to fill. I don't care about Hala 1,2 or 3. I have halo 2 and I didn't think it was so awesome, btw I had fun with it and i played live on it until i got my 360 and now i mainly play call of duty 2. MS is trying to get more RGP's and thats a good start. I will get the wii because Nintendo first party titles are so much fun to play. I will get PS3 because it has a lot of variation and hopefully it will keep doing just that. Sure its expensive, but if i want to play hd movies i only have 3 choices. 1. buy an hd-dvd player, 2 get the add on from MS or 3 just get a ps3. I will not pay 200 for an add on, also why would i buy a hd-dvd player or blue ray player when i can get that in ps3 plus i'll be able to play all the games from ps and ps2. I bought an hd tv for games and movies so hopefully the ps3 catches on and blue ray will be the standard, otherwise i might have to buy the ms add on.

[jpuma1]

I think the whole thing comes down to you can't say that Live isn't innovative because similar things have been done on the PC, but at the same time say that a touch screen and motion sensing is innovative when they've been done on the PC.

Who the hell cares anyway, the whole purpose of people expanding on others ideas is to try and give us the best experience possible. It's usually not the first company that innovates something that nails it down. It's usually the nth company down the road that finally turns the innovation into what the innovator could have only dreamed and gives the consumers what they want. The true innovators usually have a decent idea, but don't execute it to it's best potential.

I think I'm being slightly misunderstood a little. I always understood that it's always the 5th or 6th guy that does something great with the technology. The only problem is, I don't see that the XBL did anything innovative with online playing. I see the XBL as just a port, if you will, of the online playing experience off of PCs. Battle.net for consoles, if you will.

But with the DS, and Touch Screen, I'd never seen touch screen technology used in games the way it's used in Advance Wars or Metroid Hunters. The same kinda goes with the Wii controller, although it's way to early to tell with that thing cause noone's played it yet.

[shipwreck]

I think I'm being slightly misunderstood a little. I always understood that it's always the 5th or 6th guy that does something great with the technology. The only problem is, I don't see that the XBL did anything innovative with online playing. I see the XBL as just a port, if you will, of the online playing experience off of PCs. Battle.net for consoles, if you will.

But with the DS, and Touch Screen, I'd never seen touch screen technology used in games the way it's used in Advance Wars or Metroid Hunters. The same kinda goes with the Wii controller, although it's way to early to tell with that thing cause noone's played it yet.

We just see things differently which is fine. Really nothing more can come from this discussion.

[defiance_17]

I'll preface this by saying Im not a fanboy of any company. I have all the current/last gen consoles and have plenty of games I enjoy on each.

I'll get a Wii for Nintendo first party stuff no doubt.

And I'll get a second console. 3 days ago I woulda told you it was gonna be a PS3.... but now Im not sure. Cos for $700 Sony can kiss my ass. ($700=PS3+tax+game)

The thing is, that doesnt automatically switch my choice to a 360. Why?

Cos they have no Japanese support. My favorite games are Japanese developed ones, the rpgs, the weird quirky stuff from Atlus, and NIS. Will there be anything like this on the 360?

So far all Ive seen on the 360 is:

- FPS's - I'll play these on my PC where they control well thank you.
- Racing games - I can only play soo many of these
- Sports games - no thanks
- Licensed Movie games - no thanks
- Urban themed GTA clones - no thanks

And all I really see coming for the 360 is more of those type of games. Theres never going to be a Katamari Damacy, or a Disgaea, or an Ico on the 360.

So as of right now, I only plan on getting a Wii. Which sucks, cos I want the other systems too. But I need PS3 to be cheaper, and I need the 360 to be accepted in Japan... and it looks like neither of these two things is going to happen.

Im not a fanboy, Im just a gaming fan in general, and right now Im a very sad and dissapointed one.

I'm with you 100%. I have little to no interest in most of the testosterone-fueled, American-developed games that dominate the Xbox/Xbox 360. I like all types of games, but I need more than sports and FPS titles. I was very excited when Blue Dragon was announced, but we'll see how it pans out.

And whoever made the argument of there being no reason to get a PS3...why did anyone buy the original Xbox? You could get almost every exclusive title that was worth a damn on the PC, and the PS2 had dozens upon dozens of top-shelf exclusives. Millions of people still went with the Xbox, and millions will get a PS3, despite you or I not seeing the point.

There's no way GTHD will be a bigger system seller than MGS4. I haven't heard or read any positive response to GT--it's all been FFXIII or MGS4.

[mmn]

why did anyone buy the original Xbox? You could get almost every exclusive title that was worth a damn on the PC

People constantly use this as an argument but forget that a PC costs THOUSANDS to get a game running properly and isn't as easy to use as a console. Not only that, but most people prefer to sit on the comfort of their own couch and use their nice big HDTVs and surround systems to play video games on.

Plus, a lot of games that ended up going to PC were on Xbox first.

[Mookyjooky]

There's no way GTHD will be a bigger system seller than MGS4. I haven't heard or read any positive response to GT--it's all been FFXIII or MGS4.

PS2:

Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_3:_A-Spec) (PS2 - 14.36 million)
Gran Turismo 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo) (6.25 million)

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_3:_Snake_Eater) (3.75 million)
Metal Gear Solid 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_2) (5.59 million)

PS1:

Gran Turismo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_%28game%29) (10.84 million)
Gran Turismo 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_2) (9.34 million)

Metal Gear Solid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid) (6.6 million)

By Franchise:

Metal Gear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_%28series%29) (17 million)

Gran Turismo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_%28game%29) (43.7 million)


I remember when the PS2 wasnt out yet, and people were creaming over the Metal Gear 2 trailer. But as you can see, GT3 sold almost 3 times as much.

People constantly use this as an argument but forget that a PC costs THOUSANDS to get a game running properly and isn't as easy to use as a console. Not only that, but most people prefer to sit on the comfort of their own couch and use their nice big HDTVs and surround systems to play video games on.

Plus, a lot of games that ended up going to PC were on Xbox first.

Exactly, not only that... really - how many games went from Xbox exclusive to PC?

Morrowind? Halo 1?

Ummm, yeah.

[BustaUppa]

XBL is awesome, I hope Nintendo rips it off and makes it better.

Ripping things off and making them better is how we get awesome stuff!

n64 had their analog stick (which PC's had for years omg!!!!), which was brittle and kinda crappy IMO, but it was a huge development for console gaming.

Then Sony "ripped it off" and put TWO sticks of much higher quality on the dual shock controller. OMG, ripoff, blah blah... but if you want to go that route, you could say nintendo ripped off the "handles" on the n64 controller from the original PS1 design. Which was sort of a ripoff of the SNES controller, but with the handles.

It's all cyclical, everyone rips off from everybody, the crap gets left behind and the good stuff gets apapted by the next company who decides to rip it off. Ain't a damn thing wrong with that... it's how a lot of the stuff we hold dear came to be.

Not sure what point I'm trying to make, except that it's silly to argue about who stole what from who (except MAYBE for that PS3 controller due to the sheer audacity of it, lol). But it doesn't matter who does something first, only who does it best.

[Tyga24]

Nice move by Moore to give props to the Wii and also taking shots at Sony in order to promote the 360. There is truth to what he says about being able to purchase the 360 and the Wii for the price of the PS3. I haven't taken the plunge yet into the next generation mainly because I don't have time to play the current backlog of games that I have or the money to invest in the games/system right now, but I'm really not as interested to go out and pick up any console with all of the hysteria, sellouts, pricing, and potential problems that tend to occur during the initial launch of a system.

The trouble that MS will have with the 360 is the dislike of the system in Japan (do you think it's because MS is an American company whereas Sony & Nintendo are Japanese?). Maybe that's why when people think of the Xbox they only think about FPS's, racing games, and sports titles because that's what American based studio's are most popular for. It's nice that they have Team Ninja behind them and now have Square and some other companies, but I hope that MGS4 and some other RPG's will also be released for the system. Sony will continue to be the juggernaut of the industry because of the unrivaled support it has from what seems like every publisher. I'm wondering what Nintendo's marketing campaign is going to be like from now till the launch of the Wii because I think that will be the key for them to attract those consumers they're trying to reconnect with.

[Blind the Thief]

OMFG! I know what you're up to, Moore! You want to buy Nintendo!


WATCH OUT, REGGIE! IT'S A TRAP!







...worst thread ever. I hate E3 season.

[Tyga24]

After typing all of that a few post ago, I forgot what I was wanting to mention. I wonder when Moore made those comments if he was aware that Rare, a Microsoft owned company, is developing a DS game for Nintendo.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6150672.html

[mmn]

(do you think it's because MS is an American company whereas Sony & Nintendo are Japanese?).

Actually, that's exactly what it is.

Exactly, not only that... really - how many games went from Xbox exclusive to PC?

Morrowind? Halo 1?

Ummm, yeah.

Fable, Halo 2 (when Vista is released, supposedly), Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2 (can't remember if they were released the same time as the Xbox versions or after), Jade Empire (http://jade.bioware.com/pc/ ... is it still coming out?), Crimson Skies, Sudeki, Full Spectrum Warrior, Riddick : Escape From Butcher Bay, TOCA Race Driver 2, Top Spin, and I'm sure there are others I can't remember. I could be wrong on some of those.....hopefully I got them right, though.

[defiance_17]

I remember when the PS2 wasnt out yet, and people were creaming over the Metal Gear 2 trailer. But as you can see, GT3 sold almost 3 times as much.

GT3 was a much bigger jump from GT2 than GTHD is from GT4.



Exactly, not only that... really - how many games went from Xbox exclusive to PC?

Morrowind? Halo 1?

Ummm, yeah.

Fable? KOTOR? And my PC is a four-year old machine not built for gaming. I played both Halo and KOTOR just fine.
Ninja Gaiden is the only notable exclusive--go to gamerankings.com and search the top 50 Xbox titles versus the top 50 PS2 games. And who cares about Forza when the PS2 has GT4, right (someone made the opposite argument earlier)?
I'm simply pointing out that claiming "there's no reason to own a PS3" is ignorant, at best. For $700+, no; the titles they are offering are not worth that amount. I think some of you are way too quick to write them off, however.

[Roufuss]

Fable, Halo 2 (when Vista is released, supposedly), Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2 (can't remember if they were released the same time as the Xbox versions or after), Jade Empire (http://jade.bioware.com/pc/ ... is it still coming out?), Crimson Skies, Sudeki, Full Spectrum Warrior, Riddick : Escape From Butcher Bay, TOCA Race Driver 2, Top Spin, and I'm sure there are others I can't remember. I could be wrong on some of those.....hopefully I got them right, though.

You forgot:

Doom 3
Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil
Dreamfall: The Longest Journey
Half Life 2
Sid Meier's Pirates
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
Myst IV: Revelation
Syberia 2

Some of those went PC exclusive ---> Xbox exclusive, if I recall correctly.

Mechassault is really just a dumbed down Mechwarrior as well, imo.

In addition, I think Morrowind was released at the same time for PC and Xbox, and the expansion packs came on the PC first, so Morrowind is far from an Xbox exclusive ---> PC exclusive... more like the other way around.

[Matrix2k3]

And this is the reason that when Nintendo finally decides to do the right thing and get out of the console wars, they'll put all their first party titles on a Microsoft machine.

Why would that be "the right thing"? It seems like Nintendo is going to be the strongest its been for a while going into this generation, why would they drop out of the competition?

[Morpheus]

You can thank GAF for these, since I snagged them from there:

http://www.strangereaction.com/imagehost/albums/userpics/10031/wii60-3.jpg

http://www.strangereaction.com/imagehost/albums/userpics/10031/wii60-4.jpg

Comes in two flavors. So you too can show your console pride.

[Kendal]

Why would I want to buy an Xbox when there is nothing that iterests me. It is only a good buy if there is something it has to offer. Peter Moore's logic is flawed. So when HD-DVD is all the rage like he thinks it is going to be, the add-on is going to make the price point the same as a PS3 most likely. So this price point thing is moot. I know it is all system propaganda and I am glad Nintendo is getting their props, I just like to point out loop holes in logic while creating more on my own.

[GizmoGC]

Peter Moore and Reggie could be roomates in a sitcom...maybe on Fox? Could be funny!

[Purple Flames]

Peter Moore and Reggie could be roomates in a sitcom...maybe on Fox? Could be funny!

But knwing FOX then it would get canceled after 6 episodes, while The Simpsons gets picked up for season 37.

[Metal Boss]

I won't be getting a 360, for the price of a ps3 I could get some heavy duty upgrades for my pc.

MGS4 is tempting though...

[dafoomie]

People constantly use this as an argument but forget that a PC costs THOUSANDS to get a game running properly and isn't as easy to use as a console. Not only that, but most people prefer to sit on the comfort of their own couch and use their nice big HDTVs and surround systems to play video games on.

Plus, a lot of games that ended up going to PC were on Xbox first.
Theres another part of it that people ignore. Who makes 360? Microsoft. Who makes Windows? Microsoft.

In the coming years, Vista and 360 are going to be more integrated. They're bringing Xbox Live to Vista, having some games like Shadowrun and Huxley support both PC and 360 users, and not just separately. Eventually, that'll be the norm for games released on both platforms. Live Arcade is coming to PC, too. And thats before we even get into the Live Everywhere project.

Whether its on 360, or PC, or both, MS wins either way. Besides, the PC platform doesn't really compete with the consoles, its almost a completely separate market.

[daroga]

Theres another part of it that people ignore. Who makes 360? Microsoft. Who makes Windows? Microsoft.

In the coming years, Vista and 360 are going to be more integrated. They're bringing Xbox Live to Vista, having some games like Shadowrun and Huxley support both PC and 360 users, and not just separately. Eventually, that'll be the norm for games released on both platforms. Live Arcade is coming to PC, too. And thats before we even get into the Live Everywhere project.

Whether its on 360, or PC, or both, MS wins either way. Besides, the PC platform doesn't really compete with the consoles, its almost a completely separate market.
I do hope that Microsoft can breathe some life into the PC gaming industry. I don't like MMORPGs nor am I cazy about realisitic WWII FPSs. Thus, by and large, PC gaming is dead to me. :(

[jpuma1]

I do hope that Microsoft can breathe some life into the PC gaming industry. I don't like MMORPGs nor am I cazy about realisitic WWII FPSs. Thus, by and large, PC gaming is dead to me. :(

There's always RTS. Starcraft still kicks major ass!:bouncy:

[daroga]

There's always RTS. Starcraft still kicks major ass!:bouncy:
I used to be a big RTS guy... then I realized I sucked at all of them. ;)

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Your forgetting the best PC game to date: Streets of Fire!

[mykevermin]

It does seem that Microsoft doesnt really consider Nintendo to be all that much of a threat as far as what they want to do. They're almost friendly sometimes. If Nintendo had larger scale, non-gaming aspirations, like living room/media functions, then this would not be the case.

This isn't a VHS/Beta war. People own multiple consoles. He's simply recognizing that fact rather than trying to act willfully ignorant of well-known consumer behavior. I'm sure they'd like to have a larger market share than Nintendo in the coming generation, and that if N exceeds MS' market share, the tone will change.

In the meantime, for a system that will retail, at most, for $250, and have dozens of revamped and proven franchises as well as classics and innovation (not to mention be very little threat to XBL or the XBLA), it's hard to deny that everyone wants one.

Additionally, I think there's a psychological element to it, that Moore's trying to make people think of the 360 and Wii in one price range, and the PS3 in another. Mathematically, the 360 is the precise midpoint between the Wii and PS3, but fact's ain't shit but an obstacle to a marketer.

[evanft]

You can thank GAF for these, since I snagged them from there:

http://www.strangereaction.com/imagehost/albums/userpics/10031/wii60-3.jpg

http://www.strangereaction.com/imagehost/albums/userpics/10031/wii60-4.jpg

Comes in two flavors. So you too can show your console pride.

Sigged.

[jer7583]

Why would that post make you go "hmm"? My opinion is that Nintendo should stop trying to play catch up with their consoles and focus on keeping the lead in the handheld market. That would mean they could put Mario 35, Smash Brothers 12332, and Metroid Prime : Do the Same Stuff Over and Over Again on the 360.

This kind of thinking stagnates the industry.

If nintendo wasn't in hardware, there would be no Wii, no innovative new control style, and very little for myself and many others to look forward to except a $600 overpriced peice of junk.

Nintendo will live forever. They are what gaming is about. Sony is not.

[KaneRobot]

If Microsoft is REALLY intent on sticking it to Sony in every way possible, MS should have Bungie do a Halo game for the DS. Not an FPS, but something that would actually take advantage of the system's capabilities. It would still sell like a motherfucker just due to name alone. Plus, knowing Bungie, it would probably be awesome.


You can thank GAF for these, since I snagged them from there:

http://www.strangereaction.com/imagehost/albums/userpics/10031/wii60-3.jpg

http://www.strangereaction.com/imagehost/albums/userpics/10031/wii60-4.jpg

Comes in two flavors. So you too can show your console pride.

Those are neat. Thanks.

I'm liking where this is going. Even with Nintendo and MS fans not getting along, they still know who the "real enemy" is or whatever. Nintendo and MS are both moving towards the progression of gaming; Nintendo more at the base level, trying to bring in non-gamers with a "whoa, what's this thing?" approach, and MS trying to make the most out of internet capability and trying to bring in non-gamers with a "I can play my games with friends anywhere" approach.

Sony is just content to copy whatever the other two do first.