"Anti-Microsoft console" stigma gone.....?

[KaneRobot]

Yes indeed, Microsoft DOES make the XBox. Makes it the best fucking system of the current generation, that is! BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Seriously, the moron's now-locked thread had me thinking back to the first year or so of the console's life. Every single person I knew personally who "hated" the XBox when it came out because of who/what it represented eventually gave in and bought one (sometimes ashamedly, which made it even funnier) because they couldn't resist the lure of XBox Live and/or hardcore-darling franchises like Shenmue and Jet Set Radio.

I don't think the anti-MS sentiment hurt the XBox at all, outside of maybe right at launch time...and even then, the damage was minimal.

Is there really anyone so outdated and biased that they are refusing to buy an XBox or a 360 because they hate Microsoft? Not buying it because you prefer a competitor's product is one thing, but avoiding it just because you hate Microsoft yet yearn for the games seems really strange. Furthermore, who here legitimately hates Microsoft anyway? "THEY MAKE TERRIBLE PRODUCTS." Funny, the vast majority of people seem satisfied with Windows even if it does have drawbacks. "THEY ARE EVIL!" What a well-rationed, thoughtful response that is. "THEY ARE BAD FOR THE INDUSTRY!" Yes, look how XBox Live has flopped miserably and failed to inspire any other companies to use its concept. Witness how a hard drive is a relic of a bygone era, never to be seen again. Weep at the failure of internet gaming over broadband. Yes, look back on these mere footnotes and gaming history and mourn the complete failure of Microsoft's XBox.

I don't give a fuck who makes what as long as the games are good. I've never established a love for one company's brand so much that I wouldn't ditch it for a different one if they impressed me more in the next generation. The industry would probably be a lot better off if everyone did the same thing.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I think my situation is the polar opposite of yours. I think I only know one person who has an xbox 1. No one I know has a 360. They're also primarily computer/linux geeks who hate Microsoft with a fiery passion.

[RedvsBlue]

I never hated Microsoft as a company. I was a little miffed when the first XBox came out because I didn't like them pushing their way into the video game market. I was wrong though. I got an XBox a year after launch and it was my favorite console up until I got my 360.

Its all in personal preference and mine tends to lean toward the types of games that XBox typically has.

[radjago]

I never hated Microsoft as a company. I was a little miffed when the first XBox came out because I didn't like them pushing their way into the video game market. I was wrong though. I got an XBox a year after launch and it was my favorite console up until I got my 360.

Its all in personal preference and mine tends to lean toward the types of games that XBox typically has.
I felt the same way about Sony when they came into the market with the Playstation, especially after the horrible games they had produced in the 16-bit days as Sony Imagesoft, like Cliffhanger and Last Action Hero. Back then big media companies like Sony, Viacom, Virgin, and Time Warner saw games as an expanding profitable market and invaded the market with horrible FMV games based on horrible movies.

Microsoft was different because they had already developed and published quality games on the PC, so I didn't really have any problems with them crossing over. I remember the first time I played Halo for a few minutes. I didn't think there was anything really great about shooting aliens down a corridor. After giving it a run-through on co-op with a friend later, I learned how much fun it could be and how good the game really was.

[terribledeli]

I never hated Microsoft, as a company.

I was skeptical of the Xbox because it seemed to be a house built on a FPS and Oddworld. I'd even say up to late 2002, there was nothing on the console really worthwhile to me. Then Microsoft really pulled out the stops.

[vherub]

I was wary of MS, if only because they have had some poor 1.0 versions of product. Additionally, I did not, and still do not want as much convergence as some of these companies are pushing for. I want a gaming system to play games rather than function as some entertainment hub. When the Xbox first started taking form, it was unclear how focused MS would be on gaming.
Happily, they remain quite focused on the gaming aspect.

[fwacce]

Yes indeed, Microsoft DOES make the XBox. Makes it the best fucking system of the current generation, that is! BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Seriously, the moron's now-locked thread had me thinking back to the first year or so of the console's life. Every single person I knew personally who "hated" the XBox when it came out because of who/what it represented eventually gave in and bought one (sometimes ashamedly, which made it even funnier) because they couldn't resist the lure of XBox Live and/or hardcore-darling franchises like Shenmue and Jet Set Radio.

I don't think the anti-MS sentiment hurt the XBox at all, outside of maybe right at launch time...and even then, the damage was minimal.

Is there really anyone so outdated and biased that they are refusing to buy an XBox or a 360 because they hate Microsoft? Not buying it because you prefer a competitor's product is one thing, but avoiding it just because you hate Microsoft yet yearn for the games seems really strange. Furthermore, who here legitimately hates Microsoft anyway? "THEY MAKE TERRIBLE PRODUCTS." Funny, the vast majority of people seem satisfied with Windows even if it does have drawbacks. "THEY ARE EVIL!" What a well-rationed, thoughtful response that is. "THEY ARE BAD FOR THE INDUSTRY!" Yes, look how XBox Live has flopped miserably and failed to inspire any other companies to use its concept. Witness how a hard drive is a relic of a bygone era, never to be seen again. Weep at the failure of internet gaming over broadband. Yes, look back on these mere footnotes and gaming history and mourn the complete failure of Microsoft's XBox.

I don't give a fuck who makes what as long as the games are good. I've never established a love for one company's brand so much that I wouldn't ditch it for a different one if they impressed me more in the next generation. The industry would probably be a lot better off if everyone did the same thing.


lol you guys are way too easy.

[Michaellvortega]

I felt the same way about Sony when they came into the market with the Playstation, especially after the horrible games they had produced in the 16-bit days as Sony Imagesoft, like Cliffhanger and Last Action Hero. Back then big media companies like Sony, Viacom, Virgin, and Time Warner saw games as an expanding profitable market and invaded the market with horrible FMV games based on horrible movies.

Microsoft was different because they had already developed and published quality games on the PC, so I didn't really have any problems with them crossing over. I remember the first time I played Halo for a few minutes. I didn't think there was anything really great about shooting aliens down a corridor. After giving it a run-through on co-op with a friend later, I learned how much fun it could be and how good the game really was.


Ditto! I HATED HALO when I tried it a Funco Land ,and then later at a friends house I reluctantly played Co-op with him and BAM I fell in love with Halo, even better yet by the time I bought a Xbox they came out with the control S.

[Pylis]

The only people who still hate the XBox because it's made by Microsoft are the losers at Gamefaqs. Seriously, every poll about "Are you going to buy an XBox/XBox 360" ends with 50% of everyone voting that they'll never touch the system.

[repetske]

I've always thought it was funny how Americans have this huge anti-Microsoft sentiment, yet embrace the Japanese mega-corp known as Sony. It's also funny how the Japanese reject the foreign system (Xbox), while we (Americans) have no trouble buying the Playstation. I think part of the reason for the Xbox's lack of success in Japanese is Microsoft's fault for still not catering to their preference in games, but they are also fighting an uphill battle since they are an American company.

[RedvsBlue]

I felt the same way about Sony when they came into the market with the Playstation, especially after the horrible games they had produced in the 16-bit days as Sony Imagesoft, like Cliffhanger and Last Action Hero. Back then big media companies like Sony, Viacom, Virgin, and Time Warner saw games as an expanding profitable market and invaded the market with horrible FMV games based on horrible movies.

Microsoft was different because they had already developed and published quality games on the PC, so I didn't really have any problems with them crossing over. I remember the first time I played Halo for a few minutes. I didn't think there was anything really great about shooting aliens down a corridor. After giving it a run-through on co-op with a friend later, I learned how much fun it could be and how good the game really was.

...and look where Sony is now. I don't remember having as much negative sentiment against Sony but I was pretty pissed when they were starting to mop the floor with the console I owned (Saturn).

I've always thought it was funny how Americans have this huge anti-Microsoft sentiment, yet embrace the Japanese mega-corp known as Sony. It's also funny how the Japanese reject the foreign system (Xbox), while we (Americans) have no trouble buying the Playstation. I think part of the reason for the Xbox's lack of success in Japanese is Microsoft's fault for still not catering to their preference in games, but they are also fighting an uphill battle since they are an American company.

That's part of the reason why I like my Xbox and 360. I enjoy supporting American companies when I can. I own a Ford. Its not that I hate other companies but I just like to support American companies when I can. That doesn't mean that I will avoid spending money on products from foreign owned companies but rather that its just an edge when I'm looking at similar products.

[eldad9]

If it helps, I don't own an xbox. I do own a PS2 and a GC. Maybe I'll buy an xbox (1) at some point, though I doubt it; if I do, it will have to be used or very very cheap, and I won't buy new games.

I know how this company behaves, and I don't want it to have any of my money. That's all.

[Machine]

"I know how this company behaves, and I don't want it to have any of my money." That has to be the most flawed argument there is. Sony and Nintendo behave exactly the same as Microsoft. You're kidding yourself if you think any differently.

[itspaidgasterblaster]

While I own the xbox, and the 360 I only see it as limited appeal to my taste. I love playing call of duty 2, dead or alive 4, elder scrolls. For the most part it seems that they only want FPS and sports. What about stradegy or rpgs. I know blue dragon, arm enchant, lost odessy they all look top quality and i'm glad the 360 is getting more variety but for every elder scrolls or lost odessey there is a call of duty 2, PD0, King Kong, Quake 4, Far cry, and Condemmed. I hope the 360 puts out more rpgs and stradegy games. If a product gets most of the control in a determined market it might be because they know what consumers mainly desired and not cater to a niche market. While any company might do illegal stuff, it does not make them outsiders. If you guys think Sony or Nintendo are above MS then i think its pointless to discuss the issue.

[Dr Mario Kart]

All companies do not behave the same way. That whole mess with the EA workers, it doesnt happen exactly like that everywhere. Not every game hardware maker has a history in OS software, nor do they have histories in getting sued for among other things, monopoly stuffs.

[eldad9]

"I know how this company behaves, and I don't want it to have any of my money." That has to be the most flawed argument there is. Sony and Nintendo behave exactly the same as Microsoft. You're kidding yourself if you think any differently.

Just to take one random issue: are Sony and Nintendo to blame for all the spam I get, that's sent from zombified windows machines?

[radjago]

All companies do not behave the same way. That whole mess with the EA workers, it doesnt happen exactly like that everywhere. Not every game hardware maker has a history in OS software, nor do they have histories in getting sued for among other things, monopoly stuffs.
New York State vs. Nintendo of America.

In 1991 New York State's Attorney General sued Nintendo, claiming they have an illegal monopoly on the video game market. Nintendo agrees to give each customer a $5.00 certificate good on any licensed NES game.

[Dr Mario Kart]

thats hardly a history. Even Sony has the occasionally Immersion type affair, but no one is consistently in some sort of pending legal affair like Microsoft. I havent kept up with it lately, but I know with certainty that there is at least one, and probably a multitude of pending cases involving them this very day.

[eldad9]

It's not just lawsuits (and even if it was, we could look at how microsoft's funding SCO's completely baseless lawsuit in an attempt to slow down Linux migration).

[mbstuff]

Bill Gates does a lot of good with his money. He might be the most efficient charity spender in history. He just does a tremendous amount of good with his foundation helping people, and I don't begrudge him his money. Well, not too much.

[Machine]

Sony's history includes the recent Rootkit DRM disaster, a class action suit regarding Playstation 2 defects, format wars over Beta and Blue-Ray (as well as failed formats like the Mini-disk), fictional movie critics being used in advertisements, and many other things.

[RedvsBlue]

Sony's history includes the recent Rootkit DRM disaster, a class action suit regarding Playstation 2 defects, format wars over Beta and Blue-Ray (as well as failed formats like the Mini-disk), fictional movie critics being used in advertisements, and many other things.

...and yet Microsoft is still seen as the more "evil empire." Funny how things work huh?

[KaneRobot]

...and yet Microsoft is still seen as the more "evil empire." Funny how things work huh?

It's all bullshit. Every company is "evil" by the standards people set for themselves. It's just a matter of whether they choose to recognize it or not.

lol you guys are way too easy.

lol u phail @ making teh valid point gtfo losar

[Javery]

I never owned an Xbox and I don't feel like I missed out on a thing. It just didn't offer me the games I wanted to play (I have a GCN and PS2). I do have a 360 though - mainly for Xbox Live and XBLA - there aren't any exclusive franchises on the 360 that I bought the system for but since Sony is coming in at $700 I won't be buying the PS3 - I'll be getting a Wii at launch...

[terribledeli]

Not buying a game company's product because their practices is a little bizarre. Of all the things I could protest, games are the bottom of the ladder.

I know its totally awesome to stick it to a company you hate, but I'd rather just play a game for the sake of playing. Not base some sort of personal philosophy around it.

[Xevious]

I was a PC gamer for awhile. I used to play shooters all the time.

Well, it got to a point that my computer was getting to old and the shooter system requirements were getting higher and higher with every release. So thats why I went for an Xbox. Playing shooters on the Xbox isn't as much fun as a PC but its easier on the pocket book.

[RedvsBlue]

I was a PC gamer for awhile. I used to play shooters all the time.

Well, it got to a point that my computer was getting to old and the shooter system requirements were getting higher and higher with every release. So thats why I went for an Xbox. Playing shooters on the Xbox isn't as much fun as a PC but its easier on the pocket book.
Bingo. The Xbox and the 360 are basically for people who generally enjoy the PC gaming experience and games but don't want to spend $300-$400 every 1-2 years to upgrade their computer and "keep up."

[eldad9]

Sony's history includes the recent Rootkit DRM disaster, a class action suit regarding Playstation 2 defects, format wars over Beta and Blue-Ray (as well as failed formats like the Mini-disk), fictional movie critics being used in advertisements, and many other things.

Just because somebody sues you, that doesn't mean you're evil. If you said something like "knowingly selling defective consoles" that would be one thing, but being sued?

All the rest concern's Sony's media divisions, which have little to do with the the playstation except the name.

[eldad9]

It's all bullshit. Every company is "evil" by the standards people set for themselves. It's just a matter of whether they choose to recognize it or not.

That's like saying every individual is evil. That is, it's a stupid and completely incorrect generalization.

[shipwreck]

Just because somebody sues you, that doesn't mean you're evil. If you said something like "knowingly selling defective consoles" that would be one thing, but being sued?

All the rest concern's Sony's media divisions, which have little to do with the the playstation except the name.

So, you'll separate out Sony's divisions, but not Microsoft's? Seems fair.

[fwacce]

lol u phail @ making teh valid point gtfo losar


I have no idea what that means, but thanks for creating this thread. It's been very entertaining. MS fanboys are so cute.

[whoknows]

I had an Xbox 1 for about 2 months and then sold it...I played Halo and was insanely dissapointed. KOTOR fixed that dissapointment though.

Only 1 person I know though has an Xbox and he doesnt play it at all, in fact he is currently trying to sell it.

[thamaster24]

I have no idea what that means, but thanks for creating this thread. It's been very entertaining. MS fanboys are so cute.

It's people like you that make gaming fun for everyone! YAY!!!

[BustaUppa]

I had a stupid anti-XBOX bias for a while. But I sure did have fun with 4-player Halo. And I had a growing resentment over always getting the SECOND-best version of a multiplatform title. And, damn, they had like, a lot of games that I wanted (including lots of those nerd street cred titles like the Dreamcast sequels).

Finally I bought a box in late 2004. My XBOX collection ended up being my fastest-growing game library EVER. I've got over 50 games for it now, and that's a lot for me. I think the only console I have more games for is the PS1, and you can chalk that up to tons of $2-$3 used games I bought years after the system was done.

Hey, I'm a proud owner of a PS2, GameCube, and Dreamcast, so I can say without bias that the XBOX is a damn fine system. I'm so glad that I got it. And LIVE is awesome.

[cjclifford]

I was anti-Xbox when it was first released. Not because I had the hate on for Microsoft or anything, I just couldn't see Microsoft becoming a major player in the video game console market like Nintendo and Sony. And wasn't that about the time Sega pulled the plug on the Dreamcast and dropped out of the console market? It just seemed like the market couldn't support three systems and I figured, being "the new guy," the Xbox wouldn't make it.

I bought an Xbox christmas 2004, even registered on these forums to try and sell some stuff to pay for it (which turned out horribly I might add). My friend (known here as jdangerc) kept hyping Halo and Halo 2 telling me about the system link parties he had. Eventually I caved and bought one (he did the same thing to me with PS2 and GTA).

Now I have a 360 and I'm loving it. Looking forward to the Wii this November as well.

[depascal22]

I was the first of my friends to try out the Xbox and now I've got all my best friends playing. Xbox Live is the best thing to happen to gaming since the arcade.

[mercilessming]

I know more people who didn't care for consoles but did want the xbox because Microsoft made one. I myself had only gotten an xbox because of a used deal from someone, then turned around and sold it because, because Xbox seemed big on FPS and my computer with keyboard/mouse is so much better at FPS, and DOA fighters I didn't like, I am a Soul Calibur Fan Boy and something with the controls on the xbox version just wasn't there for me. But to say one thing about Xbox at the beginning was it didn't following in the PS2 mode of have GTA and its clones, I know that has changed but at one time the xbox seemed more unique. Of course ninja gaiden was good but I like prince of persia better, POP was cross platform.

I guess all in all Xbox and PS2 had its few games that were great but I wanted atleast 1 great game a year and with Computer I got that plus with the copetition Nintendo I also got a more Franchise Platformers not avaialable anywhere and not so cloned on consoles.

I wish microsoft would have positioned the Xbox to be less of a cross platform (meaning easy porting pc/xbox) and more of if you want these games FPS/RTS go windows pc if you want Fighter/Arcade Racers etc get an xbox. How many big time FPS gamers don't have the good computers rigs to play the good FPS, Why would I want to play DOOM 3 or Half Life on the console?

They Had Ninja gaiden great action game, buy exclusive rights to something like Rayman (make a exclusive kid friendly franchise platformer), Get a racers that had REAL muscle cars (because no really does that anymore), Balance is the key, Nintendo Gamecube launched with not enough titles now the wii will deliever in the first year almost all the franchises that is to much. give customers 5 unique quality game style game a year.

[dafoomie]

People like to champion Nintendo as this great little underdog, but don't forget that they abused their monopoly in the late 80s/early 90s. If you wanted to publish a game for the NES, you could not make games for other systems, period. Nintendo also threatened retailers that carried anything but Nintendo products. Bad news for Atari and Sega, until the courts ruled that illegal. If Microsoft did that with Windows, everyone would rightfully be shitting bricks about it.

They're all out to make money here. Don't get caught up in ideology, just buy the one that has the games you want, or best suits your needs.