Lets be real...can you still support SONY?

[Daddy]

Easy money....

[jah2004]

I really really hate the direction this thing is going. It is a damn shame too, because I would really love to enjoy Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII. I just dont give a damn though, I will never spend $600 on a console. Those 2 titles will be greatest hits probably long before the price of the PS3 drops enough for me to bite.

[tehweezner]

yeah with all the crap surrounding the PS3, i think it might even fail and sony loses their dominance.. but for some reason i feel that it will eventually become the top dog just like PS1 and PS2 did, albeit slower. i don't know many people who will plunk down $600 on a console on launch day..

[Daddy]

The way I see it with blu-ray problems,pricing and first wave titles and hardware issues I cant see SONY taking on Wii and 360...SONY is gonna get tag teamed badly....I see 360 hitting them with R6:Vegas,Splinter Cell double agent,F.E.A.R,Call Of Duty 3,Forza 2,Mass effect and Gears of War all around launch time of PS3 just to name a few...once Halo 3 comes out a few months later into 2007 SONY will be really hurting....especially if 360 does the rumored bundle with arcade points,couple months of LIVE and a game. Not to mention that XBLA will have Texas Holdem & Lumines 2 as some big hitters as well.

[camoor]

I really really hate the direction this thing is going. It is a damn shame too, because I would really love to enjoy Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII. I just dont give a damn though, I will never spend $600 on a console. Those 2 titles will be greatest hits probably long before the price of the PS3 drops enough for me to bite.

I'm more concerned about the quirky independent stuff that used to come out on Playstation, who is going to do that if Sony fails?

Nintendo can only get first-party titles out the door anymore, and M$oft is too focused on either creating the latest graphically-intense FPS or churning out yet another mediocre platformer.

[sarausagi]

I'm more concerned about the quirky independent stuff that used to come out on Playstation, who is going to do that if Sony fails?

Nintendo can only get first-party titles out the door anymore, and M$oft is too focused on either creating the latest graphically-intense FPS or churning out yet another mediocre platformer.


Sony's not going to fail, MINIDISC is still around and for the most part it's practically dead. Microsoft would give up on 360 before Sony gave up the Playstation name.

No matter how revolutionary, or how incredible, a Nintendo console may be, it will always be just that, a Nintendo console.

[Dwapook]

No matter how revolutionary, or how incredible, a Nintendo console may be, it will always be just that, a Nintendo console.
I don't see your point?

[CappyCobra]

I don't see your point?
It's because the Playstation is MORE than a console.... IT'S A COMPUTER! (DUH) :lol:
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/uk-court-of-appeals-says-ps2-is-not-a-computer-181997.php

[DarkNessBear]

Ugh, is everyone in forums a Wii60 cult member?

[Daddy]

Ugh, is everyone in forums a Wii60 cult member?


No just realists......Funny about MS and there strategy....the line up of games coming out in october and november is insane

[furyk]

No just realists......Funny about MS and there strategy....the line up of games coming out in october and november is insane

It would have been nice if the line-up of games coming out over the past summer would have been, you know, actually there. Their July wasn't bad and I'm totally gay for Dead Rising, but it was a real missed opportunity to get some people aboard in the post E3 months, especially considering how bleh the summer was for games. Hurrah for run on sentences.

[Daddy]

It would have been nice if the line-up of games coming out over the past summer would have been, you know, actually there. Their July wasn't bad and I'm totally gay for Dead Rising, but it was a real missed opportunity to get some people aboard in the post E3 months, especially considering how bleh the summer was for games. Hurrah for run on sentences.


Yes run on sentences rule and for the record its great b/c when you are right people love to try and come back but catching grammar instead of posting a response, but hey when your fooked and have no come back i guess you cant say nu uh. Anyway........no summer is ever filled with games since (kids) are off from school and the weather is nice out (yes some kids actually go outside, I know its crazy!) Try Lord Of the Rings Battle for Middle earth 2 as its without a doubt the sleeper hit of the summer! now dead Rising is here and then Saints Row....then the shite storm of games for October/November will steal the rest of your life energy for well into the 1st qauter of 2007

[furyk]

There were a few summers that tried to be filled with games. Square's Summer of Square pops into mind for what they did in 2000, the Summer where they released Threads of Fate, Legend of Dragoon, and Chrono Cross in a three month period. Also the DS had a fairly large push last summer when Meteos and Kirby's Canvas Curse were released a few weeks apart. There aren't a ton of examples, but a number of console games that suceeded in generating buzz over the summer months.

Battle for Middle Earth 2 won't sell anyone on the Xbox 360 because of two facts. It's an RTS which generally flop on the home console, and it's avalible on the PC. Anyone who wants BoME 2 and doesn't have a 360 would most likely have a PC capable of playing the game.

In short, Microsoft blew their best opportunity to get a real lead over the PS3 by all but abandoning the market in the summer months because of traditionally slow sales. Microsoft should have thought about all of those kids not out playing in the sun, but who were home from college or off from high school working for some spending money. Instead, Microsoft is going to take on the PS3 launch with what 5 million 360s sold (a good number, but not a great number) and a system that is dead in Japan. I guarentee you Sony won't sit on the Summer of 07 releasing only three moderately large titles, two of which can be played on the PC.

[dmaul1114]

No. I had a PS1 and have a PS2. I have a Sony TV, Receiver, speaker system, dvd player, cd player and discman currently.

But sony has irked me with the pricing and strategy of the PS3 (and to a lesser extent the PSP) in increasing price, and adding a bunch of non gaming features that are driving the price up that I won't use, that at this point I plan not to buy another sony product period.

[sarausagi]

There were a few summers that tried to be filled with games. Square's Summer of Square pop

Yes, Square's Summer of Adventure, each game came with a mini sound track and if you got all 3 you got a small backpack.

I don't know why people think summer doesn't have any games..in fact, there are more games May - September for me than there are the rest of the year. King of Fighters, Dirge of Cerebrus, XENOSAGA EPISODE III, DDR Super Nova,

And I don't know how "mainstream" gamers can complain, tons of sports games and action games come out during the summer

Plus this summer had a huge console launch [DS LITE] and new greatest hits on both PS2 and PSP...

So I don't know about summers being slow, they're not..

[Daddy]

Yes, Square's Summer of Adventure, each game came with a mini sound track and if you got all 3 you got a small backpack.

I don't know why people think summer doesn't have any games..in fact, there are more games May - September for me than there are the rest of the year. King of Fighters, Dirge of Cerebrus, XENOSAGA EPISODE III, DDR Super Nova,

And I don't know how "mainstream" gamers can complain, tons of sports games and action games come out during the summer

Plus this summer had a huge console launch [DS LITE] and new greatest hits on both PS2 and PSP...

So I don't know about summers being slow, they're not..


Must be the lack of AAA titles.....again think sales numbers, thats what companies are thinking...though it may be a "great game" to a gamer


and to answer the other poster i dont think SONY is gonna do shite, with all the problems they have goin into this there gonna get hit in the face here by MS and kicked in the balls by Nintendo. Also console gamers and PC gamers are usually worlds apart, so have fun upgrading your PC just so you can play a game that a console gamer has no trouble popping in and playing right from the start

[furyk]

Yes, Square's Summer of Adventure, each game came with a mini sound track and if you got all 3 you got a small backpack.

I don't know why people think summer doesn't have any games..in fact, there are more games May - September for me than there are the rest of the year. King of Fighters, Dirge of Cerebrus, XENOSAGA EPISODE III, DDR Super Nova,

And I don't know how "mainstream" gamers can complain, tons of sports games and action games come out during the summer

Plus this summer had a huge console launch [DS LITE] and new greatest hits on both PS2 and PSP...

So I don't know about summers being slow, they're not..

It's not so much that summers are slow, it's just that there's a dearth of games during the rest of the year. There are very few AAA releases over the Summer. The point I was trying to make is that if Microsoft had shipped something, anything significant they'd be in much better shape then they are right now. If they had gotten even something silly like Viva Pinata out, they could have capitalized on what has been a relatively slow summer. Also, every game you mentioned is coming out late August to September when all the kids are back in school. Even though my Poison calendar says it's still Summer then, most of the advantages of launching a game during Summer for the sub-25 year old gamers are gone by that time.

The DS Lite launch was huge, but it relied on previously released titles to drive it, not so much new stuff, and the PSP/PS2 GHs have been out for a while. Hell, the PSP has had a great summer with VP:L, the new Tekken, Loco Roco in Europe, and the MGS: Digital Graphic Novel (cool if you're a fan of the franchise).

Regardless, that's Sony and Nintendo doing something to encourage people to get on board with them. What did Microsoft do that positioned them to win this console war in the (Japan)?

Edit: Too much posting yesterday makes me switch words apparently.

If anything, Sony has taken some major steps to winning the next console war by establishing the PSP as a viable platform and allowing a ton of wireless connectivity with it. Sure, Nintendo has done the same, but they're positioning themself to be first by being everyone's second console this generation. I think a lot of people who are kind of on the fence about the PS3 that bought a PSP because of the great titles this summer are more likely to buy a PS3 now over an Xbox 360. Even though I think the PS3 launch is going to be full of holes and that Blu Ray is a shitty format, I feel that Sony is in a better position to "win" this generation of consoles then they were after E3.

and to answer the other poster i dont think SONY is gonna do shite, with all the problems they have goin into this there gonna get hit in the face here by MS and kicked in the balls by Nintendo. Also console gamers and PC gamers are usually worlds apart, so have fun upgrading your PC just so you can play a game that a console gamer has no trouble popping in and playing right from the start

Not trying to flame you here, but show me one gamer who prefers an RTS on a console to a PC. Also, what new gamers were brought in by Prey? The average first person shooter gamer who would be intereted in Prey already has a PC powerful enough to play Prey or already has an Xbox 360. The only first person shooter at the moment that will bring over PC gamers to the system is Halo 3 and that's at least 16 months away. Microsoft has done nothing so far, besides Elder Scrolls IV (again, another PC game), to prove that it is a console that is viable for anything besides First Person Shooters, sports, and racing games. When the 360 has a few RPGs, truly entertaining platformers (sorry Kameo), or a fighting game with some depth to it, then we'll talk about it as a viable canidate to challenge the PS3. Looking at the release dates, that's going to happen in October but I think it's way too late for Microsoft to get any significant bump from it as the PS3 hype machine will be in full swing and the Wii will be out or out in two weeks.

[Daddy]

Regardless, that's Sony and Nintendo doing something to encourage people to get on board with them. What did Microsoft do that positioned them to win this console war in the US?

Is this a joke? XBOX LIVE for starters,XBOX LIVE ARCADE....games: GRAW,OBLIVION,COD2,LOTR2,DOA4, what did SONY do for its PS3?...NOTHING but BAD NEWS



If anything, Sony has taken some major steps to winning the next console war by establishing the PSP as a viable platform and allowing a ton of wireless connectivity with it. Sure, Nintendo has done the same, but they're positioning themself to be first by being everyone's second console this generation. I think a lot of people who are kind of on the fence about the PS3 that bought a PSP because of the great titles this summer are more likely to buy a PS3 now over an Xbox 360. Even though I think the PS3 launch is going to be full of holes and that Blu Ray is a shitty format, I feel that Sony is in a better position to "win" this generation of consoles then they were after E3.

First off PSP is garbage....I have one and its collecting dust...you said: "The DS Lite launch was huge, but it relied on previously released titles to drive it, not so much new stuff" WOW, just WOW...thats the exact arguement i would have said about the PSP.....ok when was the first original title on the PSP that wasnt absolute crap that wasnt a Ps game already? Lumines perhaps? Oh and always loved the $30 dollar movies on a 3 inch screen...lol oh thats right that format is dying as well.

Second you think Ps3 is in a good position with what exactly? The price?,The over promised and under-delivered specs? The useless $499 version? Oh the smoke up everyone arse with pre-rendered footage from E3 2005 of Killzone 2 that "disappeared" at E3 2006? Forcing you into an UNAPPROVED format (Blu-ray) Gaint crabs perhaps?[/QUOTE]



Not trying to flame you here, but show me one gamer who prefers an RTS on a console to a PC. Also, what new gamers were brought in by Prey? The average first person shooter gamer who would be intereted in Prey already has a PC powerful enough to play Prey or already has an Xbox 360. The only first person shooter at the moment that will bring over PC gamers to the system is Halo 3 and that's at least 16 months away. Microsoft has done nothing so far, besides Elder Scrolls IV (again, another PC game), to prove that it is a console that is viable for anything besides First Person Shooters, sports, and racing games. When the 360 has a few RPGs, truly entertaining platformers (sorry Kameo), or a fighting game with some depth to it, then we'll talk about it as a viable canidate to challenge the PS3. Looking at the release dates, that's going to happen in October but I think it's way too late for Microsoft to get any significant bump from it as the PS3 hype machine will be in full swing and the Wii will be out or out in two weeks.

Ok im not tryin flame you either but I know RTS is best on PC, but LOTR2 is THE BEST RTS on a console EVER and finally someone did it right. Second who mentioned PREY? Third, and again console and PC gamers are in 2 different catagories and the MAIN differnce is a console isnt upgraded like a pc is so again you have fun spending extra cash to upgrade just to play a game. The cost for PC gaming is too steep in most cases. Again we are talking CONSOLES here not bringing the PC market over to consoles...talkin straight up console vs. console and I dont see hype being enough for anything more than a "gotta have it" surge in the beginning, especially with most of the PS3 titles on 360. Mark my words "I CANT FRIGGIN WAIT FOR BLU_RAY TO LOSE THE FORMAT WAR" the forums will be on absolute fire, i'll guess that blu-ray turns into a storage format for PC but not a movie format standard....or just disappears. I think Nintendo is up in the air and is smart to let the heavy hitters duke it out and let the dust settle.....I wouldnt be surprised to see some one out of the big three turn into the next SEGA and just make games instead of consoles, but im sure thats down the road. To answer about october not being close enough I dont know about SONY being so hot with a $600 tag then tax, at least 1 game and one extra controller or charger kit for the controllers I cant see the $800 going into that when the same games are on Xbox 360 for much less OR you pick up a WII for WAY LESS overall. Again the stupid,uninformed,brand whores and gotta havers will always pay ridiclous amounts for the new consoles good or bad (remember 360 ebay prices?) wether they know about the system or some employee at the store gave them bunk info that hyped them up about it. We are alomst half way through august now and only have about a month and half till october and 2 and 1/2 months till november so I guess we will see.

[Metal Boss]

and the "debate" rages on.

[furyk]

Is this a joke? XBOX LIVE for starters,XBOX LIVE ARCADE....games: GRAW,OBLIVION,COD2,LOTR2,DOA4, what did SONY do for its PS3?...NOTHING but BAD NEWS

Yeah, I meant Japan and typed US.



First off PSP is garbage....I have one and its collecting dust...you said: "The DS Lite launch was huge, but it relied on previously released titles to drive it, not so much new stuff" WOW, just WOW...thats the exact arguement i would have said about the PSP.....ok when was the first original title on the PSP that wasnt absolute crap that wasnt a Ps game already? Lumines perhaps? Oh and always loved the $30 dollar movies on a 3 inch screen...lol oh thats right that format is dying as well.

I agree with you completely. You're misinterupting me saying "success of DS Lite depended on previously released games" followed by "PSP has had a good summer" as two statements that are connected. All I'm saying is that in the absence of a lot of big releases this summer the PSP had a Metal Gear thing come out, Tekken get a brand new game, and Square Enix put out a port of one of the most rarest games from the PS1 generation. The PSP launch was horseshit, like most launches.

Second you think Ps3 is in a good position with what exactly? The price?,The over promised and under-delivered specs? The useless $499 version? Oh the smoke up everyone arse with pre-rendered footage from E3 2005 of Killzone 2 that "disappeared" at E3 2006? Forcing you into an UNAPPROVED format (Blu-ray) Gaint crabs perhaps?

The casual gamer doesn't give a shit about E3. They care about Madden and other stuff you can do with your console. From what they know, Blu-Ray is the next DVD so they can watch movies on their new systems and play next gen Madden online. Sure, they can do it with a 360, but Madden on the PS3 has to be better because the system is more advanced because it costs more. That's their line of thinking. They don't care about the fact that the 360 is on its second generation of games, the developers have had trouble developing for the PS3, or that the system has a bunch of great games for it. When people think about next generation gaming, they still are wondering about when the PS3 comes out even though they can get a 360 right now. Sony is in a good position because of that and that alone.

Ok im not tryin flame you either but I know RTS is best on PC, but LOTR2 is THE BEST RTS on a console EVER and finally someone did it right.

Sorry but like you said, someone did it right finally making it the best RTS on the console by default. It's like winning a foot race against a bunch of legless retards. There's not a lot of competition there. Does it diminsh LOTR 2 as a great game? Hell no. Does one multi-platform game bring in a genre of gamers that everyone who enjoys owns a PC capable of playing it sell any Xbox 360s? Not at all. Strategy titles aren't everyone's cup of tea so unless it's an exclusive or there's a bunch of them on one console, a RTS will never move systems unless it has the name "Craft" after it. Maybe it'll sell a few LOTR fans of the system who hate PC gaming, but by and large, Microsoft won't sell systems with this game. My main point was that this summer, they really should have had a game like that.

Second who mentioned PREY?

Just trying to touch on the big releases of the Summer.

Third, and again console and PC gamers are in 2 different catagories and the MAIN differnce is a console isnt upgraded like a pc is so again you have fun spending extra cash to upgrade just to play a game. The cost for PC gaming is too steep in most cases. Again we are talking CONSOLES here not bringing the PC market over to consoles...talkin straight up console vs. console and I dont see hype being enough for anything more than a "gotta have it" surge in the beginning, especially with most of the PS3 titles on 360.

The major fault of your argument is you ignore who is a console gamer and who is a PC gamer. When one of Microsoft's three major game categories that they release a lot of games on, the first person shooter, has traditionally been one of the PC's strongest genres, you can't ignore it. The 360 is targeting an audience that largely doesn't care about playing FPSes with a control. Some will come on board, but ultimately the cost of upgrading your PC with a new graphics card every four years or so, RAM, memory, and so forth has reached the price it costs to buy an Xbox 360.

Mark my words "I CANT FRIGGIN WAIT FOR BLU_RAY TO LOSE THE FORMAT WAR" the forums will be on absolute fire, i'll guess that blu-ray turns into a storage format for PC but not a movie format standard....or just disappears. I think Nintendo is up in the air and is smart to let the heavy hitters duke it out and let the dust settle.....I wouldnt be surprised to see some one out of the big three turn into the next SEGA and just make games instead of consoles, but im sure thats down the road. To answer about october not being close enough I dont know about SONY being so hot with a $600 tag then tax, at least 1 game and one extra controller or charger kit for the controllers I cant see the $800 going into that when the same games are on Xbox 360 for much less OR you pick up a WII for WAY LESS overall. Again the stupid,uninformed,brand whores and gotta havers will always pay ridiclous amounts for the new consoles good or bad (remember 360 ebay prices?) wether they know about the system or some employee at the store gave them bunk info that hyped them up about it. We are alomst half way through august now and only have about a month and half till october and 2 and 1/2 months till november so I guess we will see.

You've got it down, but I think you're seriously underestimating the brand loyalty towards the PS3.

[Daddy]

and the "debate" rages on.


I like games ....thats it for me..i dont care who actually has them....end of the story for me is i dont like being lied to ala SONY every year their sytem has exsisted ever. I dont like getting ripped off ala SONY price points on PS3 and Duo Cards for PSP. I dont wanna have to be part of a format war ala SONY. Granted MS and Nintendo have done there share but SONY just pisses me off at this point, and i cant see getting a PS3 for anything but MGS4 at this point...this launch is gonna be interesting to say the least

[Daddy]

Plus its not hard with Phil Harrison at SONY constantly caught in lies to think bad about SONY:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103743

[Metal Boss]

Dude, that is your opinion on ps3 launch titles, I see plenty of games that look incredible aside from MGS4. it sounds as if you're asserting that into some kind of general consensus and are on a cruesade to thwart some unholy beast of your imagination. You can just as easily call their "lies" a miscalculation or accident on their part. You can't really say the playstation has had crappy games though and its just the continuation of quality that I'm looking forward too, and what matters really in the long run. I'm not focused on their marketing mistakes.

[Daddy]

Dude, that is your opinion on ps3 launch titles, I see plenty of games that look incredible aside from MGS4. it sounds as if you're asserting that into some kind of general consensus and are on a cruesade to thwart some unholy beast of your imagination. You can just as easily call their "lies" a miscalculation or accident on their part. You can't really say the playstation has had crappy games though and its just the continuation of quality that I'm looking forward too, and what matters really in the long run. I'm not focused on their marketing mistakes.


Ok, hahahah I like how you didnt name any..... name some then, titles that is that you are looking foward to that your 100% sure wont be on 360? (Dont bother saying Assasins Creed youll see that on 360)

Also marketing is one thing, SONY has ALWAYS lied and hyped up there shite since E3 with PS2 and the "emotion engine" yeah like that ever lived up to the rubber ducky hype....marketing mistakes to me is oops we put a white person on our billboard threating a black person for our PSP ad (which happenined and was pulled), not fooling the average joe by using pre-rendering and making people presume its in game footage (Killzone 2 which actually never showed at E3 2006 b/c they got called on that) or pulling specs out of the system later to get more sales out of people (yes some people dont keep up on the system specs and other things and rely on store employees and rumors and gossip) With all thats gone on the fact that you can defend them calling it a accident is absurd. If I lied to you once or twice you could call it a mistake, if i lied to you almost every single time i told you something would you still think i was credible? I doubt it and thats whats funny about it...another poster in the link i provided about Phil Harrison hit it on the head someone should shut SONY up till the launch that would be the biggest help right now for them

[Daddy]

I agree with you completely

Ah the unfortunate interpretation of the internet, its seems we do agree, i do realize (if you read my post to metal boss on this page) that the public is grossly lied to by SONY and if its retorded after the fact they usually dont even notice it (like the whole KillZone 2 bullshite) kids just remember Oh man KillZone looked so badass...now its no where to be seen. They remember old specs before they were pulled, employees at stores telling them misinformation,SONY as a brand, and Blu ray is new so this system must be banging.The fact its new and so "advanced" and the whole fanboy thing (which should not exsist you like games you play them who cares who makes them, a great game is a great game) I really hope the porn industry picks HD-DVD and that older generation people (the same ones who think a mp3 player and a ipod are 2 different items, like a kleenex and a tissue) see the word DVD in HD-DVD and associate it and help drive out Blu-ray......it would be COMPLETELY insane if Blu-ray gets beat out by HD-DVD for SONY and this system i cant even imagine what they would do?

[omegaweapon7]

I dont get it, if "great games are great games who cares who made them," then why are all your posts obviously anti-sony? god knows sony didnt win the previous console war with advanced engine and honest marketing. alot of the fans like these "great games" which will continue on the ps3, saying Ps3 WILL have those games is merely a logical conclusion. I dont expect zelda is suddenly turn into crap, or halo suddenly turn crappier, so why should I expect the PS2 AAA series to suddenly turn into crap on ps3?

As for psp titles this summer, sony is making progress, they already won the entire racing/sports/FPS/fighting market, nintendo didnt even have a chance there. (did they even bother?)

And this upcoming console war? Next Gen or not, the ps2 is gonna dominate all the awards again, not because of graphical power, not because of OMGSONYLIE to the public, but because of:

FF12
god of war 2
Vakyrie profile 2
OKAMIIII!

[Metal Boss]

The Getaway

Devil May Cry 4

Heavenly Sword

Final Fantasy

Metal gear solid 4

Just for launch titles...

[zewone]

I don't think Final Fantasy 13 or MGS4 will be launch titles... those are the only 2 games I'm gonna actually be mad I won't be able to play. :cry:

[furyk]

The Getaway

Devil May Cry 4

Heavenly Sword

Final Fantasy

Metal gear solid 4

Just for launch titles...

According to the PS3 wiki, here's the list of launch titles:

* Resistance: Fall of Man
* Warhawk
* MotorStorm
* Ridge Racer 7
* Fatal Inertia
* Full Auto 2: Battlelines
* Blade Storm: Hundred Years War
* flOw
* Sonic the Hedgehog
* Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
* Call of Duty 3
* Lair
* Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas
* Need for Speed: Carbon
* NBA Live 07

And here's the list off of IGN:

November 17, 2006 Resistance: Fall of Man
November 17, 2006 Fatal Inertia
November 17, 2006 Genji 2
November 17, 2006 Call of Duty 3
November 17, 2006 Tony Hawk's Project 8
November 17, 2006 EA Sports Fight Night Round 3
November 17, 2006 Bladestorm: The Hundred Years War
November 17, 2006 Madden NFL 07
November 17, 2006 College Hoops 2K7
November 17, 2006 Sonic the Hedgehog
November 17, 2006 NBA Live 07
November 17, 2006 Full Auto 2: Battlelines
November 17, 2006 Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
November 17, 2006 Ridge Racer 7
November 17, 2006 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas
November 17, 2006 Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
November 17, 2006 NHL 2K7
November 17, 2006 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
November 17, 2006 Need for Speed Carbon
November 17, 2006 Warhawk
November 17, 2006 flOw (PS3 Hub Download)
TBA 2006 Mobile Suit Gundam

I was a bit surprised to hear the MGS4 wasn't a launch game myself considering how hard they were pushing it at E3. For me personally, there's nothing really that compelling until Virtua Fighter 5 gets released in Q2 if IGN's dates are to be believed.

[Daddy]

According to the PS3 wiki, here's the list of launch titles:

* Resistance: Fall of Man
* Warhawk
* MotorStorm
* Ridge Racer 7
* Fatal Inertia
* Full Auto 2: Battlelines
* Blade Storm: Hundred Years War
* flOw
* Sonic the Hedgehog
* Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
* Call of Duty 3
* Lair
* Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas
* Need for Speed: Carbon
* NBA Live 07

And here's the list off of IGN:

November 17, 2006 Resistance: Fall of Man
November 17, 2006 Fatal Inertia
November 17, 2006 Genji 2
November 17, 2006 Call of Duty 3
November 17, 2006 Tony Hawk's Project 8
November 17, 2006 EA Sports Fight Night Round 3
November 17, 2006 Bladestorm: The Hundred Years War
November 17, 2006 Madden NFL 07
November 17, 2006 College Hoops 2K7
November 17, 2006 Sonic the Hedgehog
November 17, 2006 NBA Live 07
November 17, 2006 Full Auto 2: Battlelines
November 17, 2006 Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
November 17, 2006 Ridge Racer 7
November 17, 2006 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas
November 17, 2006 Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
November 17, 2006 NHL 2K7
November 17, 2006 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
November 17, 2006 Need for Speed Carbon
November 17, 2006 Warhawk
November 17, 2006 flOw (PS3 Hub Download)
TBA 2006 Mobile Suit Gundam

I was a bit surprised to hear the MGS4 wasn't a launch game myself considering how hard they were pushing it at E3. For me personally, there's nothing really that compelling until Virtua Fighter 5 gets released in Q2 if IGN's dates are to be believed.


Like I said....ONE GAME...RESISTANCE FALL OF MAN....if thats not the next halo that launch is garbage...... oh and maybe lair might turn out good. To answer omegaweapon7...my posts arent anti SONY per say, I just dont think SONY is doing the right things and I dont see any SONY games except Resistance fall of man that would make a sane person spend the $700-800 at launch just to play it....honestly can you? I think COD3 will be pushed back for 360 & PS3 out of this year as well...other than that why not play it on 360 if its so close graphically and to tell you the truth the PS controller has always been my favorite controller ever till the 360 came out....so i really cant justify the PS3 price (at launch) for one game or maybe 2 at best....I think any smart gamer would wait 6 months to a year for all the blu-ray crap and programming crud to die down on PS3 not to mention a big price reduction and a new wave of games before you even touch that system.

PS- Im surprised you didnt know MSG 4 wasnt a launch title....I wouldnt argue about the PS3 as much if it was but its still a hard pill to swallow

[Daddy]

Makes me wonder what will be the system seller if Fall of Man does bad?

[zerolens]

Wasn't Call of Duty the highest selling game for the 360 when it launched? So you could call that the "system seller". Fact is people bought it because it was next-gen. People will buy the PS3 because it's the newest and latest console at the time. Fable 2, Halo 3, etc. is coming down the pipeline just as Metal Gear 4, Final Fantasy 13, etc. will be.

Some people don't care what's out at the present, they want what's newest and latest now and they will wait for the games down the line for what they really bought it for. Everyone has different tastes and the PS3 will have a much bigger selection of eastern games that the 360 will never see.

Somehow people have the money for the 360/Wii combo but say the PS3 is too expensive. It's not about money for those people, it's about worth. Sometimes one console is better than two and I would take a PS2 over an Xbox/Gamecube combo even if price was equal. The PS2 has more games I like than Xbox/Gamecube combined and PS3 could do that again. Just like the 360 will get a lot of exclusives, especially PC games, the PS3 will get a lot of exclusive eastern games.

[furyk]

Wasn't Call of Duty the highest selling game for the 360 when it launched? So you could call that the "system seller". Fact is people bought it because it was next-gen. People will buy the PS3 because it's the newest and latest console at the time. Fable 2, Halo 3, etc. is coming down the pipeline just as Metal Gear 4, Final Fantasy 13, etc. will be.

Some people don't care what's out at the present, they want what's newest and latest now and they will wait for the games down the line for what they really bought it for. Everyone has different tastes and the PS3 will have a much bigger selection of eastern games that the 360 will never see.

Somehow people have the money for the 360/Wii combo but say the PS3 is too expensive. It's not about money for those people, it's about worth. Sometimes one console is better than two and I would take a PS2 over an Xbox/Gamecube combo even if price was equal. The PS2 has more games I like than Xbox/Gamecube combined and PS3 could do that again. Just like the 360 will get a lot of exclusives, especially PC games, the PS3 will get a lot of exclusive eastern games.

Exactly. People bought a 360 not for Call of Duty 2 but to have a 360. The first real system seller for the 360 was Elder Scrolls 4 the same way that the PS3's first real system seller will probably be MGS 4 even if Resistance is awesome. The only brand new IP system seller I can think of in history is Halo.

[camoor]

Like I said....ONE GAME...RESISTANCE FALL OF MAN....if thats not the next halo that launch is garbage......

I think you're forgetting that Genji 2 is an a-shen game with real-time weapon change.

[DarkNessBear]

I think you're forgetting that Genji 2 is an a-shen game with real-time weapon change.
Get over it.

[sarausagi]

Wasn't Call of Duty the highest selling game for the 360 when it launched? So you could call that the "system seller". Fact is people bought it because it was next-gen. People will buy the PS3 because it's the newest and latest console at the time. Fable 2, Halo 3, etc. is coming down the pipeline just as Metal Gear 4, Final Fantasy 13, etc. will be.

Some people don't care what's out at the present, they want what's newest and latest now and they will wait for the games down the line for what they really bought it for. Everyone has different tastes and the PS3 will have a much bigger selection of eastern games that the 360 will never see.

Somehow people have the money for the 360/Wii combo but say the PS3 is too expensive. It's not about money for those people, it's about worth. Sometimes one console is better than two and I would take a PS2 over an Xbox/Gamecube combo even if price was equal. The PS2 has more games I like than Xbox/Gamecube combined and PS3 could do that again. Just like the 360 will get a lot of exclusives, especially PC games, the PS3 will get a lot of exclusive eastern games.

I don't really think everyone who is going around talking about Wii60 is for real. The people who knew they were buying a "Wii" [or Revolution, or Gamecube 2, or whatever] will be happy enough with one console, and the people that already have a 360 will either stick with it or get a PS3 beside it. Especially considering how much game play you can get out of lots of the 360 games...

I can see though, lots of people [us on the "cheap" a/v people especially..and on the cheap in A/V still means a few hundred dollars on equipment] getting a 360 and a PS3, I can honestly see the HD-DVD 360 and PS3 blu-ray being my most viable options for high definition programming [movies plus games] for the next two or three years. The most I've paid for a reproduction unit is $200 and that was a 5 SACD/DVD changer with progressive scan component outs puts, coaxial/optical/six channel analog outs. I can't see myself paying $500 for a one disc HD-DVD player and $1000 for a one disc Blu Ray player...

However, if $1000 is going to get me a Blu Ray player, a HD-DVD player, two multimedia power houses, and the two major next generation gaming consoles, then yes, it's QUITE worth my money because they'll pretty much be the center of my media set up. Especially considering that 360 can do mp3/windows stuff and PS3 will be able to play import games, import movies, and SA-CD's. Plus the fact I'll have the best games of the generation, I won't be missing out on anything by having a PS3/360 and no Wii.

[camoor]

However, if $1000 is going to get me a Blu Ray player, a HD-DVD player, two multimedia power houses, and the two major next generation gaming consoles, then yes, it's QUITE worth my money because they'll pretty much be the center of my media set up. Especially considering that 360 can do mp3/windows stuff and PS3 will be able to play import games, import movies, and SA-CD's. Plus the fact I'll have the best games of the generation, I won't be missing out on anything by having a PS3/360 and no Wii.

You are the demo Sony is going for. I'm just wondering if they overestimated the size of this market, or stopped to figure that these early adopters might already have some of this tech, and hence wouldn't need it in their PS3.

Also I don't think it plays HD-DVD - I think that's the point of Sony putting BluRay in.

[Daddy]

You are the demo Sony is going for. I'm just wondering if they overestimated the size of this market, or stopped to figure that these early adopters might already have some of this tech, and hence wouldn't need it in their PS3.



Exactly they are looking for some high end demo and its just not enough of the market...the only reason id would want one at launch is b/c its the newest thing....not b/c it has any games i really NEED at this time

[Daddy]

Wow SONY is gay as can be:

PS2 gets pretty in pink in Europe
A pink PS2 is set for launch at Leipzig Games Convention, amid rumours of a price cut for the standard console in the UK.
By Staff, GameSpot UK
Posted Aug 21, 2006 5:00 am PT

More Images (3) »
Sony Computer Entertainment Europe announced the latest member of the PlayStation family on Monday--a limited-edition slimline PlayStation 2 in pink.

The new console is set to hit store shelves on November 8, and will only be available from retail outlets in Europe. The new console will be shown off for the first time at the Games Convention in Leipzig, Germany, later this week.

The console will come with two matching pink analogue controllers, and a pink 8MB memory card.

SCEE said that "the decision to produce a pink console reflects the growing and diverse demographic that PlayStation 2 has developed." SCEE credited franchises such as Buzz!, SingStar, and other "socially interactive" titles for these demographic changes.

On the decision to launch the new colour, Dan Hill, the PlayStation 2 European brand manager, said: "The Pink PlayStation 2 is funky, fresh, and fashionable, and will further broaden the console's continuing popularity and relevance with a fun new twist."

This isn't the first time that Sony has released a new colour to try and inject life into its six-year-old console. The slimline version has been available in both silver and white--as well as the original black--while the original version was released, in various different territories, in Aqua Blue, Midnight Blue, gold, light yellow, silver, Ocean Blue, Zen Black--both of which were translucent--Sakura Pink, Snow White, and Super Red.

The Xbox 360 has so far escaped wholesale colouring, but the original Xbox was available, at various times in various territories, in at least eight colours.

In other PS2 news, UK trade magazine MCV is reporting that the standard slimline PS2's price will be cut to £95 later this week, but this has not yet been officially confirmed by Sony.



http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/news/08/21/newpinkps2_screen001.jpg

[Daddy]

Ummm now a matching PSP in pink...lol

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media/sony-paints-the-town-pink-with-its-psp-this-october-195771.php

[VanillaGorilla]

With everything we know now from Phil Harrison lies to missing components and empty promises does anyone think SONY will end up in a good position? I STILL cant understand why everyone who wants a PS3 is happy about a Blu-Ray player being included...I mean its a combo electronic device (BIG NO-NO) if your PS3 breaks then your movie player is broken too...who the hell buys combo devices? Old people do.....thats about it
Wasn't the PS2 a combo device? And a whole hell of a lot of people bought one of those, not just old people.

You people need to stop crying and bitching about all the business aspects, and just enjoy the games. Did the fact that PS2's break on regular occassions, and that none of the games achieved "Toy Story" level graphics, did that stuff ever ruin your fun with the PS2? Executives lie, big companies want your money, that's business, that's life, everyone does it, so get over it.

[Daddy]

Wasn't the PS2 a combo device? And a whole hell of a lot of people bought one of those, not just old people.

You people need to stop crying and bitching about all the business aspects, and just enjoy the games. Did the fact that PS2's break on regular occassions, and that none of the games achieved "Toy Story" level graphics, did that stuff ever ruin your fun with the PS2? Executives lie, big companies want your money, that's business, that's life, everyone does it, so get over it.


Actually by the time it was a combo device, DVD had been out for quite sometime...in this case blu-ray is a baby and an unconfirmed format....comon use comon sense when firing back in an arguement

[DarkNessBear]

Wasn't Call of Duty the highest selling game for the 360 when it launched? So you could call that the "system seller". Fact is people bought it because it was next-gen. People will buy the PS3 because it's the newest and latest console at the time. Fable 2, Halo 3, etc. is coming down the pipeline just as Metal Gear 4, Final Fantasy 13, etc. will be.

Some people don't care what's out at the present, they want what's newest and latest now and they will wait for the games down the line for what they really bought it for. Everyone has different tastes and the PS3 will have a much bigger selection of eastern games that the 360 will never see.

Somehow people have the money for the 360/Wii combo but say the PS3 is too expensive. It's not about money for those people, it's about worth. Sometimes one console is better than two and I would take a PS2 over an Xbox/Gamecube combo even if price was equal. The PS2 has more games I like than Xbox/Gamecube combined and PS3 could do that again. Just like the 360 will get a lot of exclusives, especially PC games, the PS3 will get a lot of exclusive eastern games.

Seriously... the PS2 is STILL releasing amazing titles to this day, where as Xbox and Gamecube both stopped. People don't take that into effect however, they all just purchase what ever looks good to them in the now.

I've seen what the PSone could do and the PS2, and what they did was never stop releasing great titles all the way up to the very end... and thats why I feel so strongly about the PS3, they can easily do it again. Sony knows the Power of exclusive, Microsoft does not. Thats why all there games eventually release on the PC...

[ValkyrieVF-1S]

Wow SONY is gay as can be:

PS2 gets pretty in pink in Europe
A pink PS2 is set for launch at Leipzig Games Convention, amid rumours of a price cut for the standard console in the UK.
By Staff, GameSpot UK
Posted Aug 21, 2006 5:00 am PT

More Images (3) »
Sony Computer Entertainment Europe announced the latest member of the PlayStation family on Monday--a limited-edition slimline PlayStation 2 in pink.

The new console is set to hit store shelves on November 8, and will only be available from retail outlets in Europe. The new console will be shown off for the first time at the Games Convention in Leipzig, Germany, later this week.

The console will come with two matching pink analogue controllers, and a pink 8MB memory card.

SCEE said that "the decision to produce a pink console reflects the growing and diverse demographic that PlayStation 2 has developed." SCEE credited franchises such as Buzz!, SingStar, and other "socially interactive" titles for these demographic changes.

On the decision to launch the new colour, Dan Hill, the PlayStation 2 European brand manager, said: "The Pink PlayStation 2 is funky, fresh, and fashionable, and will further broaden the console's continuing popularity and relevance with a fun new twist."

This isn't the first time that Sony has released a new colour to try and inject life into its six-year-old console. The slimline version has been available in both silver and white--as well as the original black--while the original version was released, in various different territories, in Aqua Blue, Midnight Blue, gold, light yellow, silver, Ocean Blue, Zen Black--both of which were translucent--Sakura Pink, Snow White, and Super Red.

The Xbox 360 has so far escaped wholesale colouring, but the original Xbox was available, at various times in various territories, in at least eight colours.

In other PS2 news, UK trade magazine MCV is reporting that the standard slimline PS2's price will be cut to £95 later this week, but this has not yet been officially confirmed by Sony.



http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/news/08/21/newpinkps2_screen001.jpg


Let me guess, you believe that girls don't play games either?

btw, this has nothing to do with the ps3.

[Daddy]

Of course girls play...if you get the chance play with slaughterbitch on XBL...she rocks. If a ps2 and PSP are pink then yeah PS3 will come in pink...just like a motorola razr...lol

[Daddy]

Seriously... the PS2 is STILL releasing amazing titles to this day, where as Xbox and Gamecube both stopped. People don't take that into effect however, they all just purchase what ever looks good to them in the now.

I've seen what the PSone could do and the PS2, and what they did was never stop releasing great titles all the way up to the very end... and thats why I feel so strongly about the PS3, they can easily do it again. Sony knows the Power of exclusive, Microsoft does not. Thats why all there games eventually release on the PC...

Ummm xbox is done b/c 360 is actually out...just like any system dies out with a fizzle except maybe ports in the end when the next gen is comin out..comon. Thats how they push you into the next system for that company, I need a better example then what you presented....again ill get a PS3 so dont think I bash SONY for the wrong reasons...its hard to justify $600 and 1-2 games and 1-2 extra controllers + tax.....so at about $850-1000 for an unapproved format (blu-ray) and a launch system (bugs/crashes) thats just plain stupid move comon, how can you not see that?

PS- If you do buy PS3 at launch remind me to sell you some overpriced stuff off of EBAY thats shiny and new since you apparently for for that....lol

[furyk]

Ummm xbox is done b/c 360 is actually out...just like any system dies out with a fizzle except maybe ports in the end when the next gen is comin out..comon. Thats how they push you into the next system for that company, I need a better example then what you presented....again ill get a PS3 so dont think I bash SONY for the wrong reasons...its hard to justify $600 and 1-2 games and 1-2 extra controllers + tax.....so at about $850-1000 for an unapproved format (blu-ray) and a launch system (bugs/crashes) thats just plain stupid move comon, how can you not see that?

PS- If you do buy PS3 at launch remind me to sell you some overpriced stuff off of EBAY thats shiny and new since you apparently for for that....lol

Criticize Sony all you want, but they support their sytems well after they become marked "last gen". Microsoft's outright abandoment of the original Xbox is downright criminal.

[Daddy]

Criticize Sony all you want, but they support their sytems well after they become marked "last gen". Microsoft's outright abandoment of the original Xbox is downright criminal.


Ok we will see what games come out on PS2 in 8 months to a YEAR from PS3 besides ports...bahba you must be kidding...name some Ps1 original awesome AAA titles that came out A YEAR AFTER the launch of PS2 that were not ports

[DarkNessBear]

Ummm xbox is done b/c 360 is actually out...just like any system dies out with a fizzle except maybe ports in the end when the next gen is comin out..comon. Thats how they push you into the next system for that company, I need a better example then what you presented....again ill get a PS3 so dont think I bash SONY for the wrong reasons...its hard to justify $600 and 1-2 games and 1-2 extra controllers + tax.....so at about $850-1000 for an unapproved format (blu-ray) and a launch system (bugs/crashes) thats just plain stupid move comon, how can you not see that?

PS- If you do buy PS3 at launch remind me to sell you some overpriced stuff off of EBAY thats shiny and new since you apparently for for that....lol

Do you ever post something that isn't a mindless rant?

Ugh, Summers over. Time for you to go back to Middle School.

[zewone]

What games for PS2 are you looking forward to that come out next November?

[furyk]

Ok we will see what games come out on PS2 in 8 months to a YEAR from PS3 besides ports...bahba you must be kidding...name some Ps1 original awesome AAA titles that came out A YEAR AFTER the launch of PS2 that were not ports

Well remakes:
-Final Fantasy Orgins (the FF 1/2 remake)
-Castlevania Chronicles
-Final Fantasy Chronicles

Originals:
-Dragon Warrior VII
-Arc the Lad Collection
-DDR Konamix
-Syphon Filter 3
-Mega Man X6
-Tales of Destiny II

Should I go on?

As for what's coming out past November for the PS2 (according to IGN):

-God of War II
-Persona III
-Dawn of Mana
-Rogue Galaxy
-Singstar
-Stuntman 2
-Victorious Boxers 2

Not to mention that the last really good Xbox game that came out before the 360 launch were all ports of PC games (Half Life 2/Doom: Resurrection of Evil) or reworked versions of previously released games (Fable: The Lost Chapters). To say that Sony abandoned the PS1 and will abandon the PS2 the way Microsoft did with the original Xbox runs right in the face of reality.

Simply put, the PS2 will have a few original titles brought out a year after the PS3 is launched and then it'll get a progressive stream of games that never got brought over in the first place for a budget price. I could see some anime games, Zombie vs Ambulance, the Japanese Transformers game, and all sorts of other quirky stuff being released for the PS2 in 2008.

[Daddy]

Well remakes:
-Final Fantasy Orgins (the FF 1/2 remake)
-Castlevania Chronicles
-Final Fantasy Chronicles

Originals:
-Dragon Warrior VII
-Arc the Lad Collection
-DDR Konamix
-Syphon Filter 3
-Mega Man X6
-Tales of Destiny II

Should I go on?

As for what's coming out past November for the PS2 (according to IGN):

-God of War II
-Persona III
-Dawn of Mana
-Rogue Galaxy
-Singstar
-Stuntman 2
-Victorious Boxers 2

Not to mention that the last really good Xbox game that came out before the 360 launch were all ports of PC games (Half Life 2/Doom: Resurrection of Evil) or reworked versions of previously released games (Fable: The Lost Chapters). To say that Sony abandoned the PS1 and will abandon the PS2 the way Microsoft did with the original Xbox runs right in the face of reality.

Simply put, the PS2 will have a few original titles brought out a year after the PS3 is launched and then it'll get a progressive stream of games that never got brought over in the first place for a budget price. I could see some anime games, Zombie vs Ambulance, the Japanese Transformers game, and all sorts of other quirky stuff being released for the PS2 in 2008.

Ok when i say ports i should clarify games that arent also on the nbext gen system (why buy stuntman 2 on ps if its on ps3 for example? To qoute you "quirky" isnt exactoly the kind of game i want to keep my system alive...point is all games do end up budget in a bin at EB/gamestop b/c the system is dying or dead....we have all seen the infamous yellow sticker games at eb in the bin in front of the counter like "buy me" im a dying system....why drive a pinto when you can be in a beamer.....you are correct about the abondonment in some sense but with the next gen its a big leap for PS2 graphically (and we know the kiddies love that) so dont look for the HUGE support you think its gonna get...

PS- God of War 2 is the only decent title on the PS2 future list by most standards

[Daddy]

Do you ever post something that isn't a mindless rant?

Ugh, Summers over. Time for you to go back to Middle School.


Please fanboy I can smell you through my PC....go compare images on a tv at curcuit city again and tell me how the pic looks different...hahabhbah

[furyk]

Ok when i say ports i should clarify games that arent also on the nbext gen system (why buy stuntman 2 on ps if its on ps3 for example? To qoute you "quirky" isnt exactoly the kind of game i want to keep my system alive...point is all games do end up budget in a bin at EB/gamestop b/c the system is dying or dead....we have all seen the infamous yellow sticker games at eb in the bin in front of the counter like "buy me" im a dying system....why drive a pinto when you can be in a beamer.....you are correct about the abondonment in some sense but with the next gen its a big leap for PS2 graphically (and we know the kiddies love that) so dont look for the HUGE support you think its gonna get...

So you essentially ignored all of the great games that came out for the PS1 after the PS2 launch... ok then. It's not that huge of a leap as it was from the PSX to the PS2, Genesis to Saturn, etc etc. There's a lot more things that can be done with a PS3 then a PS2, but there'll still be a major market for the PS2 inthe US. Furthermore, considering the Wii is on a comparable tech level with the PS2, you'll see a surprising number of Wii/PS2 releases well into 2008.

The other thing you're ignoring is the fact that so many people are still buying PS2s. That means one of three things. They either had a GC/Xbox and decided to finally get on the PS2 wagon, they're rebuying the system, or they have sat out of this generation until the PS2 hit a reasonable price for them (and this was a good two years after the PS1 had been dead). Without question, the jump to a PS3 will be much more of a financial investment then it was to jump from a PS1 to a PS2. It is retarded for Sony to abandon the PS2 when they saw what consumers did with the PS1.

PS- God of War 2 is the only decent title on the PS2 future list by most standards

Let's just ignore the fact that you pretty much disregarded the PS1 titles that were all announced after the PS2 launch. Tell Japan that none of those titles look that good when the Persona series is in the same stratosphere of hype that Dragon Quest, Pokemon, and Final Fantasy are in. Plus, the Mana series has always had a strong following in both the United States and Japan.

Furthermore, consider the games that haven't been announced. All of the sports games will still sell well no matter how big the advantage of Madden 08 is on the PS3. I wouldn't be shocked to see a Final Fantasy VII/IX compilation followed by an FF VIII/Chrono Cross compilation the way Square did at the end of the PSX's life cycle. Furthermore, look at the companies that have come out and said they won't be making PS3 games until the cost comes down. They're not all hopping over to the 360 to pump out King of the Fighters after King of the Fighters.

The PS2 won't be abandoned the way the Xbox was. The high price/cost of development/support from Sony ensures that.

P.S. Please read your posts before posting them. You're making yourself look like a half blind baboon made retarded from all of the glue it sniffed with your seemingly random keymashings.

[Daddy]

Please i didnt ignore your list I said PS2 will fade in the wind after time passes by like all systems, retake a look at your titles by the way I said ORIGINAL every title you named is a sequel not one ORIGINAL TITLE hell some even on their 6 or 7 installment...perhaps you interpreted what I said wrong. I do agree that wii and ps2 will be going for a while due to price point let alone other factors but with a price on ps3 at $600 without tax,games or add ons you must be in the "I gotta hve it at launch" demographic if we are talkin PS3.

As far as your qoute "P.S. Please read your posts before posting them. You're making yourself look like a half blind baboon made retarded from all of the glue it sniffed with your seemingly random keymashings." Perhaps it is you who isnt reading or your too hopped up on PS fanboyism to notice it I have owned every system but neo geo (price point cough cough) and have nothing against any of them. Ps2 did just fine and will do so for a while but ALL systmes end up in yellow sticker land and EVERYONE is on the hunt for some new games ORIGINAL titles and BC from future consoles so you dont HAVE to go back and repurchase an old system. Im so tired of continuing franchises for games I like the new stuff not same thing over and over while granted you had some top notch stuff like RE4 or hopefully MGS4 for a series it ended up on a new system from once it started and was quite some time later. I dont want mario 24235252, tekken 3535235 or even halo 254525235 (named all 3 big companies.) unless its soo amazing it surpasses the original by ten fold or re works the genre.

It seems the futher a franchise goes the more NOOBED out the game gets lets take Halo2 for example or GRAW.....halo2 i dont even have to say why its noobed out and GRAW, well used to be one shot kills and 1st person only...but then cry babies made that go away. Now look at future titles like Splinter Cell with its ghost spy locations so you can see where your going (took all the excitement of escaping away in the dark) or mercs with unlimited ammo...why? B/c people say the game isnt balanced or its too hard...original titles for this reason alone make it crucial for new fresh stuff. Im a gamer plain and simple dont care what system, again want a good price,good product and services, and good games. Nintendo makes it easy for a non gamer to play games (good to have around) Xbox has the online (great for FPS/RTS and content). I will WAIT to see what PS3 is ACTUALLY BRINGING to the table besides Blu-ray to differentiate itself from the pack without jackin everyone elses ideas. Not that thats bad (hey its business) but comon as a gamer Im looking for new stuff in this industry, its just too bad WE ARE THE ONES who have to get caught in a fight for FORMATS and ENTERTAINMENT HUBS in the living room when the main thing we want is GREAT GAMES ...nuff said

[sarausagi]

Please i didnt ignore your list I said PS2 will fade in the wind after time passes by like all systems, retake a look at your titles by the way I said ORIGINAL every title you named is a sequel not one ORIGINAL TITLE hell some even on their 6 or 7 installment...perhaps you interpreted what I said wrong. I do agree that wii and ps2 will be going for a while due to price point let alone other factors but with a price on ps3 at $600 without tax,games or add ons you must be in the "I gotta hve it at launch" demographic if we are talkin PS3.

As far as your qoute "P.S. Please read your posts before posting them. You're making yourself look like a half blind baboon made retarded from all of the glue it sniffed with your seemingly random keymashings." Perhaps it is you who isnt reading or your too hopped up on PS fanboyism to notice it I have owned every system but neo geo (price point cough cough) and have nothing against any of them. Ps2 did just fine and will do so for a while but ALL systmes end up in yellow sticker land and EVERYONE is on the hunt for some new games ORIGINAL titles and BC from future consoles so you dont HAVE to go back and repurchase an old system. Im so tired of continuing franchises for games I like the new stuff not same thing over and over while granted you had some top notch stuff like RE4 or hopefully MGS4 for a series it ended up on a new system from once it started and was quite some time later. I dont want mario 24235252, tekken 3535235 or even halo 254525235 (named all 3 big companies.) unless its soo amazing it surpasses the original by ten fold or re works the genre.

It seems the futher a franchise goes the more NOOBED out the game gets lets take Halo2 for example or GRAW.....halo2 i dont even have to say why its noobed out and GRAW, well used to be one shot kills and 1st person only...but then cry babies made that go away. Now look at future titles like Splinter Cell with its ghost spy locations so you can see where your going (took all the excitement of escaping away in the dark) or mercs with unlimited ammo...why? B/c people say the game isnt balanced or its too hard...original titles for this reason alone make it crucial for new fresh stuff. Im a gamer plain and simple dont care what system, again want a good price,good product and services, and good games. Nintendo makes it easy for a non gamer to play games (good to have around) Xbox has the online (great for FPS/RTS and content). I will WAIT to see what PS3 is ACTUALLY BRINGING to the table besides Blu-ray to differentiate itself from the pack without jackin everyone elses ideas. Not that thats bad (hey its business) but comon as a gamer Im looking for new stuff in this industry, its just too bad WE ARE THE ONES who have to get caught in a fight for FORMATS and ENTERTAINMENT HUBS in the living room when the main thing we want is GREAT GAMES ...nuff said

Daddy, the fact stands that you've spent weeks bashing the PS3 in a 16 page thread, instead of playing your X-BOX and its wealth of "original games" or saving up for your Wii.

I don't think anything else needs to be said.

[Daddy]

Daddy, the fact stands that you've spent weeks bashing the PS3 in a 16 page thread, instead of playing your X-BOX and its wealth of "original games" or saving up for your Wii.

I don't think anything else needs to be said.

Actually if you read through the pages it isnt all bashing in fact why not try reading my post that you qouted which not only says systems dont matter but games is whats important, I named MGS and Guitar hero as well as God of War....ive owned PS2 and will be getting a Ps3....just not stupid enough to buy it at launch.....man, try reading, especially if your gonna qoute someone. Also try looking at the poll...the numbers speak for themselves- right now its 401 to 80.

[furyk]

As far as your qoute "P.S. Please read your posts before posting them. You're making yourself look like a half blind baboon made retarded from all of the glue it sniffed with your seemingly random keymashings." Perhaps it is you who isnt reading or your too hopped up on PS fanboyism to notice it I have owned every system but neo geo (price point cough cough) and have nothing against any of them. Ps2 did just fine and will do so for a while but ALL systmes end up in yellow sticker land and EVERYONE is on the hunt for some new games ORIGINAL titles and BC from future consoles so you dont HAVE to go back and repurchase an old system. Im so tired of continuing franchises for games I like the new stuff not same thing over and over while granted you had some top notch stuff like RE4 or hopefully MGS4 for a series it ended up on a new system from once it started and was quite some time later. I dont want mario 24235252, tekken 3535235 or even halo 254525235 (named all 3 big companies.) unless its soo amazing it surpasses the original by ten fold or re works the genre.

Look....you totally missed my point which is that you type like a fucking moron. I don't give a shit if you've owned every system and every goofy controller ever made. The simple fact of the matter is that your posts are rambling pieces of shit even without the discussion of content. Run them through a fucking spell checker or something.

Beyond that, I'm not hopped up on Sony fanboyism. I'm hopped up on trying to give asshole console fanboys like you and Darkness Bear a dose of reality. Recently though, he has put a bit more thought and perspective in his posts while you've done nothing but troll the PS3 forums. I don't give a shit if you plan on buying every game for the PS3 eventually or if you just think every PS3 game is a retread. NEWS FLASH!!!! That's what gaming is today on every system. Even when a company like Namco or Nintendo tries to do something totally wacky like Pac Pix or Kirby Canvas Curse, it's with previously made IPs. Even the original games that get released today are pretty traditional ideas. Who hasn't thought of a game of fighting tons of zombies in a mall (Dead Rising) or tactical mech fighting (Chromehounds). You're faulting Sony specifically for something that is wrong with the game industry across the board.

So please, don't take this as a PS3 is super wicked awesome post. I hate the PS3, it's too damn expensive. The same can be said about the Xbox 360 for me. I refuse to pay more then $200 for a console. Take this post as a request. If you're going to be critical about something, please remove your head from your ass and look in a mirror to see how shit stained your face is before going after fanboys.

[Daddy]

Look....you totally missed my point which is that you type like a fucking moron. I don't give a shit if you've owned every system and every goofy controller ever made. The simple fact of the matter is that your posts are rambling pieces of shit even without the discussion of content. Run them through a fucking spell checker or something.

Beyond that, I'm not hopped up on Sony fanboyism. I'm hopped up on trying to give asshole console fanboys like you and Darkness Bear a dose of reality. Recently though, he has put a bit more thought and perspective in his posts while you've done nothing but troll the PS3 forums. I don't give a shit if you plan on buying every game for the PS3 eventually or if you just think every PS3 game is a retread. NEWS FLASH!!!! That's what gaming is today on every system. Even when a company like Namco or Nintendo tries to do something totally wacky like Pac Pix or Kirby Canvas Curse, it's with previously made IPs. Even the original games that get released today are pretty traditional ideas. Who hasn't thought of a game of fighting tons of zombies in a mall (Dead Rising) or tactical mech fighting (Chromehounds). You're faulting Sony specifically for something that is wrong with the game industry across the board.

So please, don't take this as a PS3 is super wicked awesome post. I hate the PS3, it's too damn expensive. The same can be said about the Xbox 360 for me. I refuse to pay more then $200 for a console. Take this post as a request. If you're going to be critical about something, please remove your head from your ass and look in a mirror to see how shit stained your face is before going after fanboys.


Bahbahba, well guess you havent stalked me long enough to know I prefer the way I type b/c kiddies like yourself attack grammar when they have no real comeback....

If you think Dead Rising isnt original its probably b/c YOU NEVER PLAYED it...well that is due to the fact you cant own any system over $200. Perhaps since your not willing to move into the next gen till...hmmm lets see $200 ill go with end of 2007 maybe beginning of 2008 maybe you should hop back to the PS2 & Xbox forums instead of in here since you wont be joining any of us anytime soon..lol. You apparently make fun of my typing yet I dont bother making fun of the fact you cant read (hell my typing should help you there) you keep saying im a fanboy so I typed out that ive owned every system (look up definition of fanboy) in a calm manner and stressed how it sucks that we as gamers are cought in a format war . You also seem to be pretty angry there chief and while i dont agree with Darkness Bear I highly doubt hes ever gonna get me all pumped up and get me cursing at him like some sort of geek drinking to much red bull (insert your name here)

I think its time you moved to another thread as your anger has gotten the best of you and you have no arguement here and your comebacks are lame. You never answered the sequel vs. original question I posed to you instead you freaked out when you got burned on it, attacked grammar and me personally....just again showing your inability to discuss a topic and argue your opinion...you got worked and cried like a little Halo2 kiddie on Xbox Live and you are the kind of person who ruins online experiences....I am happy to say im Extremely happy none of us will be seeing you on PS3 or 360 anytime soon....WhooooHoooooo.

Anyway im done with you, back to topic....

[furyk]

*words*

Again, missing the point (BTW, way to get'em champ with finally writing a post that doesn't use the word "qoute", sadly, only an e for effort since your rambling post still is spelled like a retard choking on paste). I'm glad you prefer looking like a jackass rather then trying to represent yourself as someone who doesn't have his head firmly lodged up his ass. You're doing a heck of a job with it. As someone who probably didn't do so hot on the critical reading section of the SATs (or the Wal-Mart application for that matter), let me break it down for you realllllllllllly sllllllllllooooowwwwllllly. I'll try and keep from avoiding words that aren't said on the Jerry Springer show, but excuse me if I slip a big word or two in.

I have played Dead Rising, and it is a ridiculous amount of fun. The simple fact of the matter is that it's a sandbox game with zombies which really isn't that original. It rips off Dawn of the Dead and fuses it with GTA. I'm not saying it's a bad game. In fact, it's the second most fun I've had with a game all year. It combines two of my favorite things in the world, senseless and hillarious violence and zombies. To consider Dead Rising an original game though is an utter fallacy of logic since it's not. It takes two well loved concepts and simply fuses them together. Is it the first game to ever do that? Sure, but that doesn't mean it's an original concept. It's implimentation of the concept is original, but we've seen a ton of violent sandbox games before.

Which brings me to the point of sequels vs originals. Just because a game is consider a sequel doesn't mean it's any less original then any other given game. Take Mario 64 for example. We've seen several thousand Mario games before this one, but it was the first game to really nail 3D for an audience who didn't have a Saturn. Take a look at Grand Theft Auto 3 then which was the fourth GTA game (5th if you count the director's cut of the original GTA as another game). What GTA 3 did for gaming was revolutionary even though it was based on, mobs and Italian stereotypes. Your point of "wares the original games PS2?" is pretty much a failure considering there have been less then ten games on the 360 so far that aren't sequels, multi-platform releases, or movie tie-ins, Dead Rising, The Outfit, two flight sims, 99 Nights, Chromehounds, Kameo, and Table Tennis.

The simple fact of the matter is that rather then see this point in the post that I originally made, you chose to focus on numbers and praising a system rather blindly over another system that you haven't played yet. As someone who camped out for a 360 the night it launched and sold it because there was very little that appealed to me (not to mention the absurd prices it was going for on Ebay), I'd rather not be lectured by someone who started gaming with a PS1 about where I should and shouldn't be posting. My refusal to pay no more then $200 for a console is a matter of no video game system I've ever seeing being worth more then $200, not an issue of means. If the 360 or the PS3 can prove it's worth more then $200 to me in entertainment value, I'll pick one up.

Edit: And my dislike of you stems much more from you being a troll for the PS3 forums (despite claims of I ownz0r every system ever made) which pretty much every neutral poster can attest to is pretty much why I'm not a fan of your ramblings. The idiot speak certainly helps make it easier though.

Edit #2: "I am the best Ghost Recon player ever. Period. The Best. I know over a million glitches. I will demolish you 1 vs. 6. I helped Ubi make this game. I know it all. Yeah baby, can't touch this! I get laid every night. I'm a hog with the ladies, you know it, check me mackin it on tha phone, you can't hang wit the S0ZE, no sensors, no O-I-C-dubayew, check in you noobie, you're gonna get stompped."

As long as I'm complaining about you, please do your clanmates a favor and at least make it sound like you have thought about completing the 4th grade (note: not the 4th grade of l337h4X0rn00bpwN4g3 3k001, the 4th grade with reading and adding).

[neudog]

With everything we know now from Phil Harrison lies to missing components and empty promises does anyone think SONY will end up in a good position? I STILL cant understand why everyone who wants a PS3 is happy about a Blu-Ray player being included...I mean its a combo electronic device (BIG NO-NO) if your PS3 breaks then your movie player is broken too...who the hell buys combo devices? Old people do.....thats about it


Do you own a PS2?

[CYRiX]

With everything we know now from Phil Harrison lies to missing components and empty promises does anyone think SONY will end up in a good position? I STILL cant understand why everyone who wants a PS3 is happy about a Blu-Ray player being included...I mean its a combo electronic device (BIG NO-NO) if your PS3 breaks then your movie player is broken too...who the hell buys combo devices? Old people do.....thats about it
wtf?

[SpeedyG]

Do you own a PS2?
Or a 360? And let us not forget that the Wii will be a DVD player as well.... So umm yea... Only old people buy Combo Devices.

[yester]

Criticize Sony all you want, but they support their sytems well after they become marked "last gen". Microsoft's outright abandoment of the original Xbox is downright criminal.

well, that is true. Sony offered the PS1 over the lifespan (got a year ago discontinued, i think). But softwareside was nothing what Sony contributed to the console. They just let a door open for budget gamers.

I am pretty sure that the PS3 will get some good games (besides of MGS4&FFXIII), but it is still a bitter pil to swallow. And i am not convinced that the removal of the rumble-feature will a benificial factor to the overall gaming experience with the new motion-feature.

I will not purchase a PS3 until some good (must have classics) are released. Overall i consider my Gamecube still as the best funconsole with the overall best gamingexperience.

On the other hand, i really noticed that the XBox360 does not really have a lot of kid titles. Which is actually bad, especially for parents who want some good titles for 6-13 year olds.

[furyk]

well, that is true. Sony offered the PS1 over the lifespan (got a year ago discontinued, i think). But softwareside was nothing what Sony contributed to the console. They just let a door open for budget gamers.

I am pretty sure that the PS3 will get some good games (besides of MGS4&FFXIII), but it is still a bitter pil to swallow. And i am not convinced that the removal of the rumble-feature will a benificial factor to the overall gaming experience with the new motion-feature.

I will not purchase a PS3 until some good (must have classics) are released. Overall i consider my Gamecube still as the best funconsole with the overall best gamingexperience.

On the other hand, i really noticed that the XBox360 does not really have a lot of kid titles. Which is actually bad, especially for parents who want some good titles for 6-13 year olds.

Well the 360 does have Viva Pinata as one of it's two big holiday titles, and that more then anything seems to be a sign that Microsoft through Rare is reaching out to developers and saying, E games are fine even though the console has been marketed as a Teen and older console. Viva Pinata's success might make it the single most important game for the 360 so far. In my opinion, Viva Pinata might end up being the most crucial title to the success or failure of the 360 worldiwide, even more so then Elder Scrolls IV, Dead or Alive IV, Dead Rising, or Perfect Dark Zero.

As far as Sony not developing games for the consoles, that's very true. What Sony did do though is continue to make PS1s well after the console was considered a viable platform. The fact that up until recently that I could go into a Best Buy and still buy a PS1 with an LCD screen was just as much a good faith gesture to developers in saying that our console will be on store shelves longer then anyone else's as it was for Sony trying to draw blood from a stone. Personally, I believe that if the Wii can remain a viable platform, a bunch of Wii games will get ported with a traditional control scheme to the PS2 since Sony was so good about keeping the console in stores even though nobody was really selling "new" games.

As far as the PS3 goes, I'm not sold on it at all either. The system has the promise of big games, but big series can misfire just as easily as they can produce another hit (Devil May Cry 2/MGS 2 anyone?). The facts are that the PS3 is the most expensive way to game this generation and therefore, it has to have the highest burden of proof in terms of what its offering. No one game or the promise of one game will sell me on a PS3.

Typically, my litmus test is if a system has five games or so I really want, I'll pick it up. With the Gamecube it was Luigi's Mansion, Super Smash Bros Melee, Wrestlemania XVIII (remember, this was the new No Mercy), Eternal Darkness, and I think Wave Race. With the Dreamcast, it was Sonic Adventure, Power Stone, NFL2K, Marvel vs Capcom (which was originally supposed to be a launch title), and Soul Calibur. DS it was Super Mario 64 DS, Meteos, Kirby Canvas Curse, Wario Ware Touched, and Feel the Magic. PSP, Me and My Katamari, Luminese, the Mega Man games, and Darkstalkers. So on and so on. The PS3 has two titles I'm really interested in at the moment: Resistance: The Fall of Man and Virtua Fighter 5. If those games are hits and three or so other games surprise me, then I'll pick up the system when fiscally able. The PS3 obviously has an uphill battle to fight as it has to offer enough exclusive games that people are really into (or someone who really wants the extra stuff).

As far as rumble...well I've always thought rumble was kind of dumb. It's cute but I can see a bunch of different opportunities and new doors opened with the six degrees of motion feature. After the initial shoehorning of the movement into games, I think we could get some really interesting uses of it. Still, the PS3 has a lot of good games to make before someone can buy it with a substantial amount of confidence in what they'll be playing now as opposed to what they'll be playing later (a hump that I think Microsoft just made it over with Chromehounds, Dead Rising, and the recent full realization of downloadable demos).

[yester]

Well the 360 does have Viva Pinata as one of it's two big holiday titles, and that more then anything seems to be a sign that Microsoft through Rare is reaching out to developers and saying, E games are fine even though the console has been marketed as a Teen and older console. Viva Pinata's success might make it the single most important game for the 360 so far. In my opinion, Viva Pinata might end up being the most crucial title to the success or failure of the 360 worldiwide, even more so then Elder Scrolls IV, Dead or Alive IV, Dead Rising, or Perfect Dark Zero.

As far as rumble...well I've always thought rumble was kind of dumb. It's cute but I can see a bunch of different opportunities and new doors opened with the six degrees of motion feature. After the initial shoehorning of the movement into games, I think we could get some really interesting uses of it. Still, the PS3 has a lot of good games to make before someone can buy it with a substantial amount of confidence in what they'll be playing now as opposed to what they'll be playing later (a hump that I think Microsoft just made it over with Chromehounds, Dead Rising, and the recent full realization of downloadable demos).

Actually, i was reading about that game (Viva Pinata that is). Maybe that is something what appeals to a younger autience.
But i was more wondering why Microsoft does not promote also games in general for younger players. I think that it is really a bad thing as far as it goes for new console.

That Sony excluded the rumble-feature is ok. But the promotion it is to give you a active experience clouds a little the truth.
Everybody knows that Sony just don't want to pay Immersion. As a customer, i feel fooled and betrayed. For many games you take the rumble granded.
True, the motionsensoning is a nice feature, but so far we do not even know what games will take advantage over that technology.
And Nintendo proofs that it is possible to combine both features in one experience. Motion + Rumble + Speaker. Wow...
To clear it up. I really enjoyed the PS2 with (my favorite games) like MSG, FF, ICO, DQ8.... but Sony mutates to something i only thought Microsoft was capable.
I am pretty sure that some folks will poor their savings (or last Dollar) in the console.
Or to put it the other way, some folks will be excluded from the experience, which i think is sad. A console is about playing freaking games and not watch movies and listen to music.
I wonder how much the PS4 will cost. 1200$?

In the end, it will depend on the games and if there will be enough first party titles to show the true power of the machine. And that what the PS3 is about. The power of the Cell CPU and the graphics.

But i wonder, if the PS3 will be even available at Nov. 17, since they did not start producing them so far. Which makes me believe that they actually modify the console prior to production.

[Daddy]

Again, missing the point (BTW, way to get'em champ with finally writing a post that doesn't use the word "qoute", sadly, only an e for effort since your rambling post still is spelled like a retard choking on paste). I'm glad you prefer looking like a jackass rather then trying to represent yourself as someone who doesn't have his head firmly lodged up his ass. You're doing a heck of a job with it. As someone who probably didn't do so hot on the critical reading section of the SATs (or the Wal-Mart application for that matter), let me break it down for you realllllllllllly sllllllllllooooowwwwllllly. I'll try and keep from avoiding words that aren't said on the Jerry Springer show, but excuse me if I slip a big word or two in.

I have played Dead Rising, and it is a ridiculous amount of fun. The simple fact of the matter is that it's a sandbox game with zombies which really isn't that original. It rips off Dawn of the Dead and fuses it with GTA. I'm not saying it's a bad game. In fact, it's the second most fun I've had with a game all year. It combines two of my favorite things in the world, senseless and hillarious violence and zombies. To consider Dead Rising an original game though is an utter fallacy of logic since it's not. It takes two well loved concepts and simply fuses them together. Is it the first game to ever do that? Sure, but that doesn't mean it's an original concept. It's implimentation of the concept is original, but we've seen a ton of violent sandbox games before.

Which brings me to the point of sequels vs originals. Just because a game is consider a sequel doesn't mean it's any less original then any other given game. Take Mario 64 for example. We've seen several thousand Mario games before this one, but it was the first game to really nail 3D for an audience who didn't have a Saturn. Take a look at Grand Theft Auto 3 then which was the fourth GTA game (5th if you count the director's cut of the original GTA as another game). What GTA 3 did for gaming was revolutionary even though it was based on, mobs and Italian stereotypes. Your point of "wares the original games PS2?" is pretty much a failure considering there have been less then ten games on the 360 so far that aren't sequels, multi-platform releases, or movie tie-ins, Dead Rising, The Outfit, two flight sims, 99 Nights, Chromehounds, Kameo, and Table Tennis.

The simple fact of the matter is that rather then see this point in the post that I originally made, you chose to focus on numbers and praising a system rather blindly over another system that you haven't played yet. As someone who camped out for a 360 the night it launched and sold it because there was very little that appealed to me (not to mention the absurd prices it was going for on Ebay), I'd rather not be lectured by someone who started gaming with a PS1 about where I should and shouldn't be posting. My refusal to pay no more then $200 for a console is a matter of no video game system I've ever seeing being worth more then $200, not an issue of means. If the 360 or the PS3 can prove it's worth more then $200 to me in entertainment value, I'll pick one up.

Edit: And my dislike of you stems much more from you being a troll for the PS3 forums (despite claims of I ownz0r every system ever made) which pretty much every neutral poster can attest to is pretty much why I'm not a fan of your ramblings. The idiot speak certainly helps make it easier though.

Edit #2: "I am the best Ghost Recon player ever. Period. The Best. I know over a million glitches. I will demolish you 1 vs. 6. I helped Ubi make this game. I know it all. Yeah baby, can't touch this! I get laid every night. I'm a hog with the ladies, you know it, check me mackin it on tha phone, you can't hang wit the S0ZE, no sensors, no O-I-C-dubayew, check in you noobie, you're gonna get stompped."

As long as I'm complaining about you, please do your clanmates a favor and at least make it sound like you have thought about completing the 4th grade (note: not the 4th grade of l337h4X0rn00bpwN4g3 3k001, the 4th grade with reading and adding).


You have no brain power what so ever...its too funny you type slowly and still are retarted? Lets see, you played Dead Rising (not at your house b/c you dont own any system over 200 bucks) and say "To consider Dead Rising an original game though is an utter fallacy of logic since it's not." Right ok b/c there are so many games just like it, go over to the 360 forums and type that one in and see what happens.

Original and sequel...lets see- original as in #1 & sequel as in anything in that is in the SAME SERIES as in #2 and up. You seem to be utterly retarded at this point and say "considering there have been less then ten games on the 360 so far that aren't sequels, multi-platform releases, or movie tie-ins" Okay so now movie tie-ins & multi-platforms releases are considered sequels? You are just plain dumb at this point. Multiplatforms in this case would be what PC? Oh yes and then youll say you own a PC even though it is the highest price of any system console considering its consistant need for upgrades and video cards...brilliant arguement Mr. $200 jackarse.

Oh and you edits are great, what didnt feel your garbage post was strong enough so you had to comeback twice, am I making you lose sleep? Again edit 2 is especially for people like you and stems from playing online in games like GR or Halo 2 with little kids who think they are great,exploit and cheat possible or just whine, cry or try to aviod the fact they have just been burned and resort to bitching instead of backing their stuff up...you being in the last part b/c instead of typing an arguement you just try to burn me but consistantly fail...hahahah. Your edit one...well try going here: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104088 (CAG 360 forum) where im bashing on DLC, making your trolling PS3 part bunk, again nice try stick to topic loser.

[Daddy]

Or a 360? And let us not forget that the Wii will be a DVD player as well.... So umm yea... Only old people buy Combo Devices. and for nuedog and cyrix


Ugggg, sorry but you have to read back quite a few pages....the PS2 was out and stand alone DVD players were under 100 bucks at that point even at walmart...in this case with PS3 its a combo device b/c its cheaper to buy the PS3 than a stand alone Blu-ray player which are out ,but they are $1000 bucks

[Daddy]

Actually, i was reading about that game (Viva Pinata that is). Maybe that is something what appeals to a younger autience.
But i was more wondering why Microsoft does not promote also games in general for younger players. I think that it is really a bad thing as far as it goes for new console.

That Sony excluded the rumble-feature is ok. But the promotion it is to give you a active experience clouds a little the truth.
Everybody knows that Sony just don't want to pay Immersion. As a customer, i feel fooled and betrayed. For many games you take the rumble granded.
True, the motionsensoning is a nice feature, but so far we do not even know what games will take advantage over that technology.
And Nintendo proofs that it is possible to combine both features in one experience. Motion + Rumble + Speaker. Wow...
To clear it up. I really enjoyed the PS2 with (my favorite games) like MSG, FF, ICO, DQ8.... but Sony mutates to something i only thought Microsoft was capable.
I am pretty sure that some folks will poor their savings (or last Dollar) in the console.
Or to put it the other way, some folks will be excluded from the experience, which i think is sad. A console is about playing freaking games and not watch movies and listen to music.
I wonder how much the PS4 will cost. 1200$?

In the end, it will depend on the games and if there will be enough first party titles to show the true power of the machine. And that what the PS3 is about. The power of the Cell CPU and the graphics.

But i wonder, if the PS3 will be even available at Nov. 17, since they did not start producing them so far. Which makes me believe that they actually modify the console prior to production.

Sweet some one with a brain! This comment is exactly what I mean i agree on all levels....like i posted up top trying to be reasonable till furyk decided to go back to being retarded. Anywho like I said not to bash SONY but too many things stick out BESIDES the price of the console to me one being what you said "That Sony excluded the rumble-feature is ok. But the promotion it is to give you a active experience clouds a little the truth. Everybody knows that Sony just don't want to pay Immersion. As a customer, i feel fooled and betrayed." Another is E3 in which more than industry people attend (yes BB or Eb or Gamestop employees using their status to get in) and then spread insane rumors like the infamous Killzone 2 footage (which was horrible prerendered material) but sure enough it worked making people think OMG did you see the in game graphics!... just to make it go bye bye at the next E3. PHil harrison lying left and right or even Kaz who just seems to be crazy at this point. Or im forced into a format with PS3 with Blu-Ray before I even know if its gonna be the winner?

So far all companies have there share of bad garbage but MS and Nintendo seem to be doing the right things (as far as lying to the public, you wouldnt buy a product from anybody else that got caught lying this much would you?) and at least keeping a good image. MS keeps showing in game footage of games (basically mocking the whole pre-rendered SONY strategy) and Nintendo is going all out and trying motion sensing. Again I'll be getting a PS3 but not for a long time.

[camoor]

You have no brain power what so ever...its too funny you type slowly and still are retarted? ... You seem to be utterly retared at this point ... You are just plain dumb at this point.

:applause:

;)

[Daddy]

:applause:

;)


Glad you agree but you spelled retarded wrong ;)

[furyk]

*more words*

So you proceed to call me "retared" for, you know, saying you troll. Oh, I also said you proceed to pull out an example where your point of "bashing" the 360 is saying "I don't think developers should put out costumes or maps on day 1 when they could be included in the game". The sky is blue, cake is delicious, and people enjoy having sex because it feels good. Please, if you're going to attack my intelligence look at your own postings. I don't care your justification, it makes you look hypocritical. Also, one example of you posting a topic is like a child molester working a soup kitchen Thursday nights. Your history of posting on the PS3 forum has been at very least flamebait.

Unlike you, I'm not going to make a topic for flamebait on the 360 forum simply to prove a point. Dead Rising is a great game, it isn't original. That simple. Once again, you're confusing originality with "goodness". There are plenty of incredibly original games (Killer 7) that end up sucking. I have no problem with Dead Rising being GTA with zombies, but when you boil it down, Dead Rising can be easily be put under a catch all as GTA with zombies (and more weapons). I don't post on the 360 forums simply because there's nothing that has come out on the system that I'm interested in besides Dead Rising, Viva Pinata and Amped 3. It's astounding I know. I don't post on a forum for a system I probably won't buy until it drops to around $200 and has more then three games I want to play.

As far as mentioning ports and movie tie-ins as opposed to sequels I just wanted to put out a catch all so you don't complain about leaving such great games like King Kong and Gun as being original titles (not sequels). If you want to make the conversation about simply sequels, then go ahead and we can talk about how games like Snood and the Urbz (spin-off /= sequel, right) praising them about their originality. The only non-sequel that I didn't bring up that was a 360/PC duel release was Prey, BTW.

Why is this grouping of ports in with sequels important? The biggest criticism against the PS3 launch line-up (and the 360) has been that the majority of the games are only better looking versions of what's already out every where else (and in terms of EA games, the games are typically watered down). A port from the PS2/GC/Xbox will not sell me or any gamer not obsessed with Madden on a system. Simply put, the 360 is lacking in titles I can't get anywhere else.

I'm glad you're willing to bring up the point that I don't want to spend more then $200 on a system. I'm much happier having 4 to 6 games before you even have your system. That's why I don't plan on getting a PS3 and that's why I sold my 360 after I realized that. There's a ton of things to say is wrong with Sony, but honestly, to criticize the price of the PS3 when you're passing on 2 360 games, a controller and a few months of Live, I find that hypocritical. The 360 at $400 with it's relative lack of exclusive A titles isn't really that much different then buying a PS3 with it's lack of exclusive A titles plus "free" internet, full backwards compatability, and a Blu-Ray player. That's why I find your posts hypocritical more then any other reason.

If you're going to call me a fanboy, at least do it for a system that I actually plan on buying before 2008. I'm not trying to defend Sony; I'm trying to show how stupid some fanboys are in trying to paint any system, Wii, PS3, or 360 in an unrealistic light. Since Sony is the company that most consistently is being attacked these days (rightfully so in many, many cases) it comes off like I like Sony. Personally, I hate Sony as they killed my favorite company of all time (along with bad business practices). It's just that there are enough games on the PSP and PS2 that I enjoy that justifies me in buying the system. The 360 hasn't reached that point yet because I don't care for FPSes and Racing games (which is where most of their best titles are concentrated). The PS3....well... it has only one game announced I give a shit about (Virtua Fighter 5).

And please, to try and dictate a conversation about "Do you like Sony" back to the original topic is hillarious. You can't pigeonhole a conversation back to whatever it is you want to talk about since it's no longer a Sony bashfest like you want it to be. Also the post you were so happy about was a relatively civil response to something I posted. The only postings in this thread that go without any reasons behind them are yours which are no better then name calling. At least when I'm name calling, it's included in the middle of an actual post.

Glad you agree but you spelled retarded wrong ;)

......he was quoting you to mock you.....

[Daddy]

Uhh thats all rambling, and amounts to the topic .... Can you still support SONY in which you said "Personally, I hate Sony as they killed my favorite company of all time (along with bad business practices)." which is what you should have said all along...if you havent caught on between my typing and posting pink versions of PSP its just nudging fanboys so if you arent one you shouldnt mind so much. Either way its still boils down to the games.... so console wise, sure you could pick up games on each system or a PC, but get used to it b/c it boils down to money (what else) and publishing houses are gonna whore it up and send out games on everything with these next gen systems, so again its all a matter of preference and pricing as we move foward. Sorry but to agree with you on some kind of front I cant justify any game being worth the price just to own a system. In Sony's case ill go with Resistance being the ooooo and aaaaahhhh launch title that makes up alot of gamers minds about purchasing the system. One funny point about that game is the "40 players online" which id have to see to believe without either being a huge level or a laggy fookfest nightmare. I guess in the end the only thing SONY offers different from the competition is BLU-RAY, but do we really want blu-ray let alone ready for it? Be ready for 360 & PS3 DLC of tv or movies and maybe even games on these platforms if not the next ones at the latest...it just seems you cant just play games anymore

[MadFlava]

The only thing I would want a PS3 for is if it can upconvert all my PS1 and PS2 games to play on my HDTV. None of the exclusive games interest me at the moment, and I not even remotely interested in Blu-Ray or any HD DVD technology. The $500 to $600 price point is the killing point for me. I'm not being biased because I thought the $400 price point for 360 was high too. It would be great to wait for a price drop on the 360 but I want the best version of Winning Eleven Soccer 10 that's coming out and it looks like I'll have to shell out for a 360 since the PS3 version of Winning Eleven Soccer won't see the light of day until 2008 most likely. It's sad watching Sony make so many mistakes, PS3 is not going to be the hit that PS2 and PS1 were. I think it's going to do worst than the PSP, which is a scary thought for the gaming industry.

Xbox 360 is pretty much dead in Japan but Sony's biggest competition in it's homeland will be the Nintendo wii. If the current DS vs PSP battle indicates, Nintendo has a really good chance of beating Sony this go around. Here in the States and in Europe, PS3 has the Xbox 360 to contend with. And the Nintendo wii is a dark horse to do well also. Sony's hold on the gaming industry is crumbling around them. Even, If PS3 finishes behind Nintendo and Xbox 360, Sony will have one more chance with the fourth interation of the Playstation but it will be make or break with that system.

[DarkNessBear]

The only thing I would want a PS3 for is if it can upconvert all my PS1 and PS2 games to play on my HDTV. None of the exclusive games interest me at the moment, and I not even remotely interested in Blu-Ray or any HD DVD technology. The $500 to $600 price point is the killing point for me. I'm not being biased because I thought the $400 price point for 360 was high too. It would be great to wait for a price drop on the 360 but I want the best version of Winning Eleven Soccer 10 that's coming out and it looks like I'll have to shell out for a 360 since the PS3 version of Winning Eleven Soccer won't see the light of day until 2008 most likely. It's sad watching Sony make so many mistakes, PS3 is not going to be the hit that PS2 and PS1 were. I think it's going to do worst than the PSP, which is a scary thought for the gaming industry.


Well, that is your own reasoning.

The truth is the console will most likely be as succesful or even succesfulthan the PS2. The Playstation 2 got alot of heat when it was coming out as well. And this time the PS3 is even getting more due to the competition and it arriving second, as well as offering more than people want to believe (And tend to be dissapointed on).

Although, reading forums to get a clear indication if something will suceed or not is very risky in the fact that negatives tend to be spoken more than positives. I haven't found one person (in my every day life) that isn't willing or wanting to purchase a PS3. Yet it seems like everyone and their uncles hate the PS3 and want it to fail on the selected forum.

It is the new hot thing coming out, and the Wii plays to much of a "We love you all" picture that the only person to pick on is the big dog that costs alot of dough, and it being Sony doesn't help itself either as well as dominating last generation.

In all honesty just like the PS2 did in its generation, and the PSone in his the PS3 will do great (maybe even outsell its rivals) and become the next best console (just like the PS2). Yet once it is clear that the console is great and is absolutely a worthwhile investment people will start bitching about Xbox720 and the PSIvy (Copyrighted by me).

It's not going to be to exciting to see this war out to a close, since it seems to my eyes that it willl most likely follow the same routine the console wars have been known to follow.

But what it really comes down to is seriously Game preference. If you genuinely hate all the PS2/PSone has to offer (GoW, SoC, Okami, KoH2, MGS, DMC, Onimusha, Ico, TM ect.) than of course you shouldn't hold your breath for the next generation of the consoles life. And if that is the case, than it shouldn't even be a viable option speaking in a PS3 discussion forum when you posess no interest in the topic at hand.

I just know that the PS3 will outsell the first day. Thats already proven by others topics...

[Daddy]

Well, that is your own reasoning.

1. The truth is the console will most likely be as succesful or even succesfulthan the PS2. The Playstation 2 got alot of heat when it was coming out as well.


2. I just know that the PS3 will outsell the first day. Thats already proven by others topics...


1.Ummm the PS2 was the best thing out when it came out WTF are you talking about..it had NO real competition at all till xbox launched way later.

2. Umm since there will be soo few units at launch of course it will sell out, especially after what everyone saw they could get on EBAY for systems from idiots that were willing to pay outrageous amounts. Hell you know how many preorders are for EBAY sales?



Without being biased this will be NOTHING like PS2 or PS1, they have no distinct advantage at all in fact thats why they are soo big on copying everyone elses stuff and adding only Blu-ray as there "new to the market" item to bring to the table. With Ps1 they were fighting carts, with PS2 they were way ahead of everyone with no real competition....this time around they are in trouble face it. Like every business out there now SONY too must feel the heat of this market and the insane competition that everyone else in everyother business must face, and so far to be quite honest its hurting there image. But again not to be baised these games better kick some serious ass if they think they are gonna win this time, and blu-ray has to win AND the price has to come down...thats alot to face heading into a war let alone part of the way through it...good luck SONY

[DarkNessBear]

1.Ummm the PS2 was the best thing out when it came out WTF are you talking about..it had NO real competition at all till xbox launched way later.

2. Umm since there will be soo few units at launch of course it will sell out, especially after what everyone saw they could get on EBAY for systems from idiots that were willing to pay outrageous amounts. Hell you know how many preorders are for EBAY sales?



Without being biased this will be NOTHING like PS2 or PS1, they have no distinct advantage at all in fact thats why they are soo big on copying everyone elses stuff and adding only Blu-ray as there "new to the market" item to bring to the table. With Ps1 they were fighting carts, with PS2 they were way ahead of everyone with no real competition....this time around they are in trouble face it. Like every business out there now SONY too must feel the heat of this market and the insane competition that everyone else in everyother business must face, and so far to be quite honest its hurting there image. But again not to be baised these games better kick some serious ass if they think they are gonna win this time, and blu-ray has to win AND the price has to come down...thats alot to face heading into a war let alone part of the way through it...good luck SONY

If you don't like Sony or PS3, why not gtfo of the PS3 forums? Go discuss how crappy it is in the 360 forums.

[whoknows]

If you don't like Sony or PS3, why not gtfo of the PS3 forums? Go discuss how crappy it is in the 360 forums.
Yeah, this is probably the first thing I agree with in this thread. If all you want to do is "OMFG $ONY IS TEH GHEY!! PINK PSP LOLZZZ!!!"

Then yeah...besides that this thread is really pointless and I'm only posting since the faster it gets to 500 posts the faster it will be locked.

[yester]

If you don't like Sony or PS3, why not gtfo of the PS3 forums? Go discuss how crappy it is in the 360 forums.

Because thought about the PS3 should be here.

Besides, i do like my PS2 but i certainly do not agree with Sony's approach for the "Next-Generation" console.
Even if the Blue-Ray drive makes storagewise sense, it is a heavy burden for all the people with normal jobs.
Also i really hate how they lie to you and try to sell it as something you just need. Well, thats acually good marketing.
Sony trie's to see the limits within the gamingmarket and i am sure that their approach pays off. Especially since most people will buy it anyway, even if it rips a big whole in their pocket.
Not to forget the pricing on the games. We still don't know how much a game will cost. The range is from 60$-100$.

In that view i like Nintendo more, because of the moderate pricing and good game experience. Even if their graphics do not blow you away.

And lastly it has do be seen, if there will be as much 3 party titles this generation around.
A lot of titles are Multiports. The only exception is the Wii, which gives you the same title, but with a new gaming experience.

I do not care, if Sony, Mircosoft or Nintendo will be leading the console-war. I only care about affordable games and systems. And in the moment (and perhaps future) even the XBox360 seems to be affordable in comparison to the PS3. Thats funny.

Also, i do not understand why Sony does not include the HDMI connection on "every" console. This will be a crucial part in taking the full advantage from the Blue-Ray player.

In the end, even i will buy a PS3 (even if it is not in the beginning).

I do believe that Sony researched the pricing and the acceptance, but i just do not see the PS3 as my multimedia center.

I think, i am probably alone with this thoughts.

[Daddy]

Because thought about the PS3 should be here.

Besides, i do like my PS2 but i certainly do not agree with Sony's approach for the "Next-Generation" console.
Even if the Blue-Ray drive makes storagewise sense, it is a heavy burden for all the people with normal jobs.
Also i really hate how they lie to you and try to sell it as something you just need. Well, thats acually good marketing.
Sony trie's to see the limits within the gamingmarket and i am sure that their approach pays off. Especially since most people will buy it anyway, even if it rips a big whole in their pocket.
Not to forget the pricing on the games. We still don't know how much a game will cost. The range is from 60$-100$.

In that view i like Nintendo more, because of the moderate pricing and good game experience. Even if their graphics do not blow you away.

And lastly it has do be seen, if there will be as much 3 party titles this generation around.
A lot of titles are Multiports. The only exception is the Wii, which gives you the same title, but with a new gaming experience.

I do not care, if Sony, Mircosoft or Nintendo will be leading the console-war. I only care about affordable games and systems. And in the moment (and perhaps future) even the XBox360 seems to be affordable in comparison to the PS3. Thats funny.

Also, i do not understand why Sony does not include the HDMI connection on "every" console. This will be a crucial part in taking the full advantage from the Blue-Ray player.

In the end, even i will buy a PS3 (even if it is not in the beginning).

I do believe that Sony researched the pricing and the acceptance, but i just do not see the PS3 as my multimedia center.

I think, i am probably alone with this thoughts.

Nope thats basically what i mean, but in english ;)

[zerolens]

Actually, i was reading about that game (Viva Pinata that is). Maybe that is something what appeals to a younger autience.
But i was more wondering why Microsoft does not promote also games in general for younger players. I think that it is really a bad thing as far as it goes for new console.

That Sony excluded the rumble-feature is ok. But the promotion it is to give you a active experience clouds a little the truth.
Everybody knows that Sony just don't want to pay Immersion. As a customer, i feel fooled and betrayed. For many games you take the rumble granded.
True, the motionsensoning is a nice feature, but so far we do not even know what games will take advantage over that technology.
And Nintendo proofs that it is possible to combine both features in one experience. Motion + Rumble + Speaker. Wow...
To clear it up. I really enjoyed the PS2 with (my favorite games) like MSG, FF, ICO, DQ8.... but Sony mutates to something i only thought Microsoft was capable.
I am pretty sure that some folks will poor their savings (or last Dollar) in the console.
Or to put it the other way, some folks will be excluded from the experience, which i think is sad. A console is about playing freaking games and not watch movies and listen to music.
I wonder how much the PS4 will cost. 1200$?

In the end, it will depend on the games and if there will be enough first party titles to show the true power of the machine. And that what the PS3 is about. The power of the Cell CPU and the graphics.

But i wonder, if the PS3 will be even available at Nov. 17, since they did not start producing them so far. Which makes me believe that they actually modify the console prior to production.

How can you feel "fooled and betrayed"? You'll know upfront whether it has rumble or not, if it's a dealbreaker for you then don't buy it. 2 of the 4 games you mention, rumble is almost worthless for them (FF and DQ8). It helps for MGS I'm sure and never played ICO so can't comment on that. Having rumble is better than nothing obviously, but it remains to be seen if it's really that important to people.

I never used my PS2 for movies and the same will go for the PS3. I certainly don't feel "fooled and betrayed" though. The system did it's job, great selection of games and reliability held up. IMO the PS2 was like the old NES, so many games to choose from you never get bored. If someone wishes to purchase a second or third system for a few games that's their choice, for me having a modern day system do what the NES did is most important. Saves me money from having to buy multiple consoles.

And then you say in the end it will depend on the 1st party titles showing the true power of the PS3. This is exactly why the console is expensive as it is. There is apparently enough of a market out there where having the "best" graphics will sell the console and not the games. The 360 came out first and people expect the later PS3 to be better in graphics because it's had more time to make the console better so to speak.

The proof is in how many people claim the $300 360 core and $500 20GB PS3 are inferior or junk or whatever. Just like people want the better car and more horsepower people apparently want the better console in terms of hardware. Yet they whine and cry when the price increases. Everyone wants something handed to them on a silver platter.

Nintendo offers an affordable console to the masses and I would gladly buy one because graphics aren't everything for me. The problem is the selection of games is downright horrible. They lost it with the N64 and have never recovered. Who cares if it has rumble and motion-technology and a speaker, none of that matters if they can't offer a good selection of games. You and others say it's about the games but praise Nintendo when they have the worst selection of games.

To make it clear I think $500 is too much for the PS3, I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole including the big possibility of bugs/glitches. For $400 no problem though. As I mentioned before in this thread I think that's only $70 more than the $330 PS2 with memory card I bought a year after launch. Since $500 is too much and I wait for glitches to be worked out anyway, I'll wait for the price drop. This is a long way from the "$1200" PS4 you think there will be.

[Daddy]

Hmmm not too much longer to wait for the "proof" of PS3...cant even believe its sept 5th already....damn! So supposedly the "demo" units should be ou in stores next month....and TGS is soon too...wonder if KZ2 comes out of nowwhere..that would be a good ploy

[Apossum]

hay guys whats goin on in this thread

[Daddy]

hay guys whats goin on in this thread


I said SONY was hurtin, some people tried to defend it...but after today with no europe launch till 07 and no 1080p games...id say even they can agree its lookin really really bad

[yester]

How can you feel "fooled and betrayed"? You'll know upfront whether it has rumble or not, if it's a dealbreaker for you then don't buy it. 2 of the 4 games you mention, rumble is almost worthless for them (FF and DQ8). It helps for MGS I'm sure and never played ICO so can't comment on that. Having rumble is better than nothing obviously, but it remains to be seen if it's really that important to people.

Fooled just because of the lies they spread. I am not saying that you need that feature, but in many games it makes sense to take you "closer" to the game. To say, that rumble is a useless feature is just dump. Why would you include it in the first place?

I never used my PS2 for movies and the same will go for the PS3. I certainly don't feel "fooled and betrayed" though. The system did it's job, great selection of games and reliability held up. IMO the PS2 was like the old NES, so many games to choose from you never get bored. If someone wishes to purchase a second or third system for a few games that's their choice, for me having a modern day system do what the NES did is most important. Saves me money from having to buy multiple consoles.

Actually, i do not have the money to buy as many games as would like to play. So i make a selection from all the releases and pick the best ones (ratings above 75%). But i still own a GC too, because Mario is not released on the PS so far (other people prefer maybe Master Chief).
But yes, the library is huge on the PS2 side. No questions about that.

And then you say in the end it will depend on the 1st party titles showing the true power of the PS3. This is exactly why the console is expensive as it is. There is apparently enough of a market out there where having the "best" graphics will sell the console and not the games. The 360 came out first and people expect the later PS3 to be better in graphics because it's had more time to make the console better so to speak.

No, the issue is about if and how many games will be specifically developed for the PS3 and go to the limits. Say, games like MGS which are famous for bringing the best out of the PS2 hardware.
Of course later on you will see better (or better used) resources, but that applies to be fair to all consoles.

The proof is in how many people claim the $300 360 core and $500 20GB PS3 are inferior or junk or whatever. Just like people want the better car and more horsepower people apparently want the better console in terms of hardware. Yet they whine and cry when the price increases. Everyone wants something handed to them on a silver platter.

Nintendo offers an affordable console to the masses and I would gladly buy one because graphics aren't everything for me. The problem is the selection of games is downright horrible. They lost it with the N64 and have never recovered. Who cares if it has rumble and motion-technology and a speaker, none of that matters if they can't offer a good selection of games. You and others say it's about the games but praise Nintendo when they have the worst selection of games.

could not follow you with that statement. The lineup is pretty good and there are even to many titles for me to choose.
I think you are more of Xbox/PS2 gamer, since you disliked Nintendo from the N64 (or am i wrong?)
In the end, it is a personal preference.

To make it clear I think $500 is too much for the PS3, I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole including the big possibility of bugs/glitches. For $400 no problem though. As I mentioned before in this thread I think that's only $70 more than the $330 PS2 with memory card I bought a year after launch. Since $500 is too much and I wait for glitches to be worked out anyway, I'll wait for the price drop. This is a long way from the "$1200" PS4 you think there will be.

i would not be suprised to see in the future Sony selling at the price or close to it.
Besides a pricedrop will not take place soon. There will be several year going in the land before you see a significant pricedrop. The PS2 still did not hit the 100$ mark.
But i predict the future. Even myself who does not want to pay the price will mostlikely buy the PS3 even at the 500$ pricetag, since waiting is a patient thing and most people are not patient.

[Daddy]

HAhah...yeah this is gonna be a funny november..I hope Gears of War turns out to be all that and a bag of potato chips

[Will]

You wanna be real Daddy? Lets be real then. Man up and apologize for having me hold a game till you could transfer money to your pay pal account only to say the transfer was made, waiting for it to go through, only to end up leaving me hanging. So quite riding Sony's jock like you have all of lifes answers figured out.

[Metal Boss]

pshhh, that true?

[RegalSin2020]

To be honest I would support them but I wish they would go back to there original PSX layout, I wish they would go back to the high qaulity pearl cases and not the cheap DVD cases. I wish they would whip there RPG's into shape.

I don't mind the blue Ray Virus thing since it would be like getting a free blu-ray drive in a package. The system is going to be just as powerfull as the 360 which I could care less for.

[zerolens]

"In the end, it is a personal preference."

That's true but you help prove my point by saying you buy multiple consoles. You and others complain about sony's strategy yet you and others who praise nintendo are ok buying multiple consoles. If I was buying multiple consoles, handhelds, and a gaming PC that extra $100 or more would probably get to me too.

My main point is nintendo shouldn't be praised for offering a console where the people praising it have to buy more hardware for games to keep them busy. Having rumble, motion, and a speaker shouldn't be praised when the choice of games are limited.

I don't see the point in people complaining about pricing when they're ok with buying multiple pieces of hardware to meet that one goal, play video games to pass the time and keep them busy.

If someone prefers xbox games or gamecube games more power to them. But when that console isn't offering enough and people have to go buy additional consoles then the console IMO isn't worth praising. I don't care who makes the console, as a customer I want the one that offers the most and best variety of games.

[Maynard]

HAhah...yeah this is gonna be a funny november..I hope Gears of War turns out to be all that and a bag of potato chips

I was actually interested in reading this forum until i notice that Daddy is trolling it. He is quite possibly one of the most unintelligent human beings to ever walk this earth. He is the Forrest Gump of CAG, the Corky to Life Goes On, the Meg to Family Guy, the stingray to Steve Irwin. Basically he's a few points short of mentally retarded and a huge fanboy of anything that is against PS3. He takes everything that is a rumor and believes it's real, but anything positive is "bullshit sony is the sucks". So I would recommend dont bother arguing with him, it's like convincing Tom Cruise that scientology is a load of horse shit.

Oh and it. is. good. to. see. you. Daddy.

if you add periods it helps him seperate the words so he can understand better.

[Apossum]

I said SONY was hurtin, some people tried to defend it...but after today with no europe launch till 07 and no 1080p games...id say even they can agree its lookin really really bad


NUH UH, PS3 IS GUNNA PWN THE 360 SO HARD. SO HARD THAT EVERYONE WHO OWNS A 360 IS GUNNA GET THE AIDS WHEN THE PS3 COMES OUT man. THAT'S HOW IT IS DADDY THE 360 IS GOING TO FAIL AND DIE AND BURN.

[Daddy]

You wanna be real Daddy? Lets be real then. Man up and apologize for having me hold a game till you could transfer money to your pay pal account only to say the transfer was made, waiting for it to go through, only to end up leaving me hanging. So quite riding Sony's jock like you have all of lifes answers figured out.


Already said it..check your pm...to be honest money is still there. Ill get you back on a trade or deal you dont need to worry about that...perhaps a 5 buck credit with me should do it on a trade or ill shoot you a dollar today for free through paypal *considering it was a 9 or 10 buck deal* thats 10% for your trouble.

[Daddy]

Well haha to maynard, to bad this actually is an interesting topic. If you took your head out of your ass long enough to see that being a fanboy is absolutley gay, you might be able to have a regular conversation. Not my fault I feel PS3 is going to fail or inst worth picking up for at least a year or so its my OPINION, which to be quite honest it seems is shared but quite a few people based on this entire topic or just the figures of the poll. In fact from the start of this topic till now SONY has done soo many things wrong and soo few things right its not very hard to argue my point. Are you one of the very few picking this up at launch? (if you can find one)

Otherwise your basically mad b/c I love to hit people with periods to urge the "at least i can type" *b/c you cant argue a legit point* fight. Well in this case it seems I stated this from the get go and its playing out like I said. So unless you have some real arguement for SONY, i'd say you lost this conversation before it even started.

PS- No periods, just for you.

PPS- *UPDATE*- here is Ken ADMITTING SONY is hurting: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157398.html?action=convert&click=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;1

[zerolens]

Daddy I think you mentioned in the topic somewhere about your poll and how it supports what you say, but to me the opposite is true. I exepcted worse because of the pricing but something like 67% are in the launch and "perhaps" category. To me the big thing sony has against it is pricing yet most people are still open to buying one, according to your poll at least.

Even if you don't like eastern games and want to argue Japan isn't as important anymore, the 360 failing as bad as it has in Japan is going to hold the 360 down a lot more than you think. No one goes to the store and looks at PS2 games and asks themselves where are the toy story graphics or why they can't jack into the matrix. The sony hype and lies is irrelevant in the big picture, it's the games that ultimately matter.

The PS3 is a far cry from the N64. Companies were already jumping ship out of the gate, right now it seems most, if not, all companies are still hanging with the PS3. Even if they fall back in one area they gain in other areas like a better selection of FPS this time around. Keeping Square on board was a big deal, can you just imagine if they lost FF13? Or Konami put MGS4 on the 360 instead? Even if those are eventually ported at least Sony managed to get them on the console again, exclusive or not.

Since I don't work for Sony it's not my concern how much money they will lose, what I do know is they are getting strong support and even "cheapasses" on this forum are still open to buying one at the moment. That says a lot for a console that is getting torn apart by the internet. In the end I hope it's the "mainstream" or "casual" that decides which console is worth the purchase though, if fanboys and internet news sites somehow decide for people where their money should go then the gaming industry is in big trouble.

[BryceDraven]

Thanks to my crappy fat PS2 when it first came out and me having to trade it in for an upgraded skinny PS2 because it sucked and didn't work half the time.. I am waiting a couple years before I buy it.. unless a real good game comes out that I want.

[Daddy]

Daddy I think you mentioned in the topic somewhere about your poll and how it supports what you say, but to me the opposite is true. I exepcted worse because of the pricing but something like 67% are in the launch and "perhaps" category. .

What? Umm it says on like 16% are getting at launch...everyone else is selling it for profit, not getting one or waiting a year for the price and bugs to level out *if the system lasts that long* dont know what your reading...perhaps your glasses have smudges on them?

[Maynard]

Daddy you didn't come to my english lesson today, and darn it, you're getting worse and worse. Remember if you come you get milk and cookies.


Love yours always,


Maynard

[furyk]

Daddy you didn't come to my english lesson today, and darn it, you're getting worse and worse. Remember if you come you get milk and cookies.


Love yours always,


Maynard

It's a fight you can't win. From my understanding, he does it to piss people off value things like grammar, spelling, English, showers, food that can be prepared outside of a microwave, and so forth.

[Daddy]

It's a fight you can't win. From my understanding, he does it to piss people off value things like grammar, spelling, English, showers, food that can be prepared outside of a microwave, and so forth.

Finally got it, and for you proper english shall ensue. Except I still need the showers & real food. You did catch me however, and for that exact reason is why I do it. People like Maynard when presnted with an arguement resort to attacking grammar when they cant seem to win the actual topic that they attack. Its more to show the ignorance of the reply then anything else. Bravo to you for catching me, yet I just admitted it in another topic as well.


PS- Perhaps i'll give you Maynard's cookies ;)

[CappyCobra]

Finally got it, and for you proper english shall ensue.:pray:
NO MORE WILLIAM SHATNER GRAMMAR STRUCTURE!! HURRAY!!!!;)

[Maynard]

Actually Daddy I have plenty of arguments for this. The problem i have with your ass is that you post in the PS3 forum only to bash it and when i come here i have to look at your shitty name on another shitty post. Now in the 360 forums we dont post all this negative shit about how the 360 will fail la la la. Lets face is 360 is failing terribly in Japan, even worse than xbox 1. Why dont you go to the 360 forums and post about how terrible its doing in Japan and how it needs to gain marketshare. For christ's sake the GCN is outselling it. So before you think you know everything about business and about Sony, maybe you should think about the other consoles in this upcoming generation. Daddy what was your level of education again, just curious?

[RedvsBlue]

Actually Daddy I have plenty of arguments for this. The problem i have with your ass is that you post in the PS3 forum only to bash it and when i come here i have to look at your shitty name on another shitty post. Now in the 360 forums we dont post all this negative shit about how the 360 will fail la la la. Lets face is 360 is failing terribly in Japan, even worse than xbox 1. Why dont you go to the 360 forums and post about how terrible its doing in Japan and how it needs to gain marketshare. For christ's sake the GCN is outselling it. So before you think you know everything about business and about Sony, maybe you should think about the other consoles in this upcoming generation. Daddy what was your level of education again, just curious?

I'm not trying to instigate here but to assert that there is not (or never has been) 360 bashing in the 360 forum is a bit ridiculous.

[zewone]

It's like people forgot a year ago, right before the 360 came out, all the stupid shit Nintendo and Sony fan$$$s were posting in the 360 forum.

[Daddy]

It's like people forgot a year ago, right before the 360 came out, all the stupid shit Nintendo and Sony fan$$$s were posting in the 360 forum.


Exactly, Maynard is a bit slow. Plus try going in there I post negitive stuff when its due. Sorry again maynard your PS3 is a doorstop and nothing more, waa waa waa.

[zerolens]

What? Umm it says on like 16% are getting at launch...everyone else is selling it for profit, not getting one or waiting a year for the price and bugs to level out *if the system lasts that long* dont know what your reading...perhaps your glasses have smudges on them?

So we are only going by launch sales now? I guess any consoles MS sold yesterday are irrelevant? I know you're a fanboy but at least use a logical argument unless you're purposely trying to look stupid. If someone doesn't buy one at launch and doesn't buy a 360 at launch, but buys one or the other at a later date why should that be considered irrelevant? Launch consoles sell out regardless, that's a very poor way to show how a console will be doing 3-5 years later.

The fact is the PS3 is the most expensive yet according to your poll 67% of the people who voted are still open to buying one, and that's not counting the people who are selling one on ebay. Who's to say they won't actually buy one later to keep either? Basically you have 20% flat out saying they aren't buying one. Your poll actually makes the PS3 look pretty good.

[Daddy]

So we are only going by launch sales now? I guess any consoles MS sold yesterday are irrelevant? I know you're a fanboy but at least use a logical argument unless you're purposely trying to look stupid. If someone doesn't buy one at launch and doesn't buy a 360 at launch, but buys one or the other at a later date why should that be considered irrelevant? Launch consoles sell out regardless, that's a very poor way to show how a console will be doing 3-5 years later.

The fact is the PS3 is the most expensive yet according to your poll 67% of the people who voted are still open to buying one, and that's not counting the people who are selling one on ebay. Who's to say they won't actually buy one later to keep either? Basically you have 20% flat out saying they aren't buying one. Your poll actually makes the PS3 look pretty good.

Who is talking about 360? Think your lost, and yeah launches sell out. Im buying one in xmas 07 when there is a price drop if this thing suceeds. Open to buying one is like saying I may die if i walk down a flight of stairs, sure it could happen but dont count on it. Also your assuming this system will be around in 3-5 years as well

[zerolens]

Who is talking about 360? Think your lost, and yeah launches sell out. Im buying one in xmas 07 when there is a price drop if this thing suceeds. Open to buying one is like saying I may die if i walk down a flight of stairs, sure it could happen but dont count on it. Also your assuming this system will be around in 3-5 years as well

Your choices were limited, if you want one but not buying at launch then the "perhaps" option is your only choice, which is what I voted. Of course polls like this may never be accurate to what happens in the long run but we both know you made the poll originally to show lack of support for sony. You were expecting the majority to vote option #2 but it didn't happen. Now you spin it where "perhaps" is ignored and shows no sign of "support" for sony and only the launch category matters. Bottomline the poll didn't help whatever arguments you use on these boards.

[Daddy]

Your choices were limited, if you want one but not buying at launch then the "perhaps" option is your only choice, which is what I voted. Of course polls like this may never be accurate to what happens in the long run but we both know you made the poll originally to show lack of support for sony. You were expecting the majority to vote option #2 but it didn't happen. Now you spin it where "perhaps" is ignored and shows no sign of "support" for sony and only the launch category matters. Bottomline the poll didn't help whatever arguments you use on these boards.


Actually to burst your bubble it was to see whats what and most people are waiting,selling it or not getting one so stop kidding yourself

[Apossum]

Actually to burst your bubble it was to see whats what and most people are waiting,selling it or not getting one so stop kidding yourself


you're talking about gamers on message board forums. It's cool to hate the PS3 right now, just like it was cool to hate the 360 and it's now cool to hate the price of the Wii. btw, you are the one whose kidding themselves Daddy-- this whole thread is about you convincing yourself you made the right investment in a 360 :rofl:

in reality, no one can really say anything. We just have scraps of info about problems going on with Sony, just like we had scraps of info about problems going on with MS with the 360 launch. If you try and add that all up to how the system will perform and use the shreads of news as evidence, you're going to make an ass out of yourself.

It's too early to say anything.

[/attempts logic and reasoning]

[zerolens]

Actually to burst your bubble it was to see whats what and most people are waiting,selling it or not getting one so stop kidding yourself

Actually your topic is about supporting sony and your vague choices conclude only 20% are definetly not supporting sony. How does waiting conclude that the person is going to buy a different console in the meantime? Did the majority of PS2 buyers buy a launch console? Did the people who sold a 360 for profit end up not getting a 360 later? Not sure how waiting means sony is going to fail according to you. PS2 gets plenty of support today and most comes from people who bought after launch.

Feel free to keep replying, it's funny to see you spin this topic to make it seem like most people agree with you.

[Daddy]

Actually your topic is about supporting sony and your vague choices conclude only 20% are definetly not supporting sony. How does waiting conclude that the person is going to buy a different console in the meantime? Did the majority of PS2 buyers buy a launch console? Did the people who sold a 360 for profit end up not getting a 360 later? Not sure how waiting means sony is going to fail according to you. PS2 gets plenty of support today and most comes from people who bought after launch.

Feel free to keep replying, it's funny to see you spin this topic to make it seem like most people agree with you.


Ya ok there buddy...dude fact is a low percent SUPPORT SONY enough to get it at launch...end of story. Try spinning that anyway you want, im sure you can add how many peoiple will end up getting a Wii with a game included for 249.99 b/c there are no PS3 on the shelf, but i didnt bother adding that one did I ;)

[Maynard]

Daddy heres the basic fact. The majority of these people posting have an education and maybe understand business.

I do not doubt that Sony will have a difficult launch ahead of them and will have some PR to take care of. Thats irrelevant though, because without some really good hands on reports saying how horrible the games are Sony isn't in this "trouble/doorstop/yadda". Sure Sony doesn't have AC (assasins creed) as an exclusive, or Merc2 as exclusive, but thats not a huge suprise in this new generation of consoles. With the new systems your going to see a lot less exclusives, especially with huge titles like Merc2 and AC. Its called maximizing your business and when you take a title like Merc2 and AC and look at the market for it Ubi would be CRAZY to keep it on PS3/360 only. Could they? Absolutely, but i'm sorry businesses need to make money and its a better business decision to make games for multiconsole if its a huge hit. PoP was always a hit and with the hype AC is getting its going to be pretty huge. Merc is absolutely huge and a huge success so why does that surprise people when its not exclusive? The best exclusives your going to see are the OIP's from inhouse and 2nd party developers.

The problem with your mentality Daddy is when you see something like "Assasins Creed not exclusive" You run out of your special ed class and run to the nearest open computer in the library and post

"OMG OMG OMG PS3 IS SO DOOMED AND DOOMED AND LIKE OMG THEY'RE LIKE THE WORSTEST COMPANY EVER AND HOW CAN YOU GUYS LIKE THEM AND I AM LIKE SO BRINGING DOWN SONY AND THEY'RE A DOORSTOP AND OMG YOU GUYS ARE SO DUMB"

When in actuality if anyone believed that AC was going to be exclusive should be checked to make sure they dont have Daddy syndrome. We all know that AC wasn't going to be exclusive because that means they have to make up the sales that they could have had being on 360 through PS3 and thats harder, not because its a lesser system, but from a business standpoint would you rather have 3 ford dealerships selling cars across the US or 1? You can tell me that i'm retarded and dont know business all you want. I graduated this year alumni from Phoenix university with my MBA in Business Management so i think i have a general idea of what Sony is trying to do and what the companies are doing.

Daddy, the bottom line is you do try to spin things to make it sound like everyone is agreeing with you. I understand you want PS3 to fail, you sound just like the Dreamcast guys when PS2 was coming out. The thing is 360 wont end up like dreamcast and neither will Sony. Japan is still going to buy the hellout of the PS3 and the Wii and unfortunatley for MS they're not going to buy 360. I mean the GCN outsold 360 recently, thats just pathetic. So why dont you take your awesome business advice and write Robbie Bach a letter telling him how to fix that?

god your a tool

[Daddy]

Daddy heres the basic fact. The majority of these people posting have an education and maybe understand business.

I do not doubt that Sony will have a difficult launch ahead of them and will have some PR to take care of. Thats irrelevant though, because without some really good hands on reports saying how horrible the games are Sony isn't in this "trouble/doorstop/yadda". Sure Sony doesn't have AC (assasins creed) as an exclusive, or Merc2 as exclusive, but thats not a huge suprise in this new generation of consoles. With the new systems your going to see a lot less exclusives, especially with huge titles like Merc2 and AC. Its called maximizing your business and when you take a title like Merc2 and AC and look at the market for it Ubi would be CRAZY to keep it on PS3/360 only. Could they? Absolutely, but i'm sorry businesses need to make money and its a better business decision to make games for multiconsole if its a huge hit. PoP was always a hit and with the hype AC is getting its going to be pretty huge. Merc is absolutely huge and a huge success so why does that surprise people when its not exclusive? The best exclusives your going to see are the OIP's from inhouse and 2nd party developers.

The problem with your mentality Daddy is when you see something like "Assasins Creed not exclusive" You run out of your special ed class and run to the nearest open computer in the library and post

"OMG OMG OMG PS3 IS SO DOOMED AND DOOMED AND LIKE OMG THEY'RE LIKE THE WORSTEST COMPANY EVER AND HOW CAN YOU GUYS LIKE THEM AND I AM LIKE SO BRINGING DOWN SONY AND THEY'RE A DOORSTOP AND OMG YOU GUYS ARE SO DUMB"

When in actuality if anyone believed that AC was going to be exclusive should be checked to make sure they dont have Daddy syndrome. We all know that AC wasn't going to be exclusive because that means they have to make up the sales that they could have had being on 360 through PS3 and thats harder, not because its a lesser system, but from a business standpoint would you rather have 3 ford dealerships selling cars across the US or 1? You can tell me that i'm retarded and dont know business all you want. I graduated this year alumni from Phoenix university with my MBA in Business Management so i think i have a general idea of what Sony is trying to do and what the companies are doing.

Daddy, the bottom line is you do try to spin things to make it sound like everyone is agreeing with you. I understand you want PS3 to fail, you sound just like the Dreamcast guys when PS2 was coming out. The thing is 360 wont end up like dreamcast and neither will Sony. Japan is still going to buy the hellout of the PS3 and the Wii and unfortunatley for MS they're not going to buy 360. I mean the GCN outsold 360 recently, thats just pathetic. So why dont you take your awesome business advice and write Robbie Bach a letter telling him how to fix that?

god your a tool


Ok, so you mine as well cut and paste your entire 1st paragraph from what i wrote months ago and many pages back, if your tryin make some sort of comeback do your research 1st moron b/c its in this exact thread. Honestly who says tool anymore?

As far as Ac not being exclusive I said yeah right since day one, try reading through posts,again

Cant wait to see what happens so i can qoute the hell out of you in nov/dec

As far as your business backround, where are you now? posting in CAG arguing a point putting words in my mouth and saying things in your first paragraph i said months ago when you should be out tryin find a job b/c the only thing your "managing" is to look like a dork ;)

PS- So mr.fantastic 4....flame on

[Sarang01]

Maynard please don't ever insult Sega by comparing them to MS. They will NEVER be as great as Sega, NEVER have a "Nights!" or PDS or "Panzer Dragoon".

[Daddy]

Maynard please don't ever insult Sega by comparing them to MS. They will NEVER be as great as Sega, NEVER have a "Nights!" or PDS or "Panzer Dragoon".


True and im still tryin get over maynard using the same arguement i posted in this exact thread as a retort to my last post, priceless. Guess all that plagiarizing helped you get your MBA, ha.

[LinkinPrime]

Did you guys read that they will possibly charge for their downloadable demos?

10:55: Downloadable 16-bit games? MegaDrive (Genesis) and PC Engine (TurboGrafx)? Where have we heard that before? Kutaragi also talks about the possibility of paying 100 yen (about $1) for a small or time-limited game demo.

http://www.gamespot.com/events/tgs2006/story.html?sid=6158144&tag=latestnews;title;0

[Daddy]

Ahhh, another told you so as i was right they would do a price cut or add features before launch. Seems they did both price cutting their own country b/c they dicked them over with 100,000 for launch, then added HDMi to the 20 gig model. A big huge TOLD YA SO, ahh that felt great. Saw this coming a mile away, but again I want to see how they are doing summer of 2007 before i even think of touching a PS3. Hardware failures and issues should be interesting to see in a few weeks *hides from the insane amount of breakage to occur* should be very,very scary

[furyk]

Did you guys read that they will possibly charge for their downloadable demos?



http://www.gamespot.com/events/tgs2006/story.html?sid=6158144&tag=latestnews;title;0

That is seriously fucked up. The only way this works for me is if they did dollar rentals of older games. I wouldn't mind renting Bonk's Adventure or Lunar: SSS for a week for a dollar. Beyond that though, fucking stupid.

[Daddy]

That is seriously fucked up. The only way this works for me is if they did dollar rentals of older games. I wouldn't mind renting Bonk's Adventure or Lunar: SSS for a week for a dollar. Beyond that though, fucking stupid.


Splatterhouse too

[Daddy]

Six weeks or so left, cant wait to see the forums. Also wondering when the kiosks are comin into the stores so I can see the PS3 in action for myself.

[Daddy]

Ok so add in $50 controllers with degrading batteries you can't replace, movies that cant be upscaled and PS1 and PS2 games not getting upscaled or textured and now what do you guys think, the launch is just weeks away. I say selling it or waiting is the obvious choice.

[Friend of Sonic]

I'll probably pick one up in 2023 at a yard sale for 50 bucks. It'll make for a nice thread in the Deal Discussion section.

[DarkNessBear]

Ok so add in $50 controllers with degrading batteries you can't replace, movies that cant be upscaled and PS1 and PS2 games not getting upscaled or textured and now what do you guys think, the launch is just weeks away. I say selling it or waiting is the obvious choice.

I know, I agree it sucks. (although I dont give a shit about the batteries dying... they said they'll replace them).

Ill still be getting one. I dont need a fucking reason. I got a 360 didnt I?

But I am dissapointed in the lack of upscaling... that was my big hope. Playing PS2 games and watching DVDs until the great titles start releasing.

[urzishra14]

i probably won't get in on this generation until next year.. I usually don't get a system until i can get several GOOD games for 20 bucks each.. I try to buy a system with 4 games and considering neither microsoft or sony has sold me on their systems yet (gears of war doesn't really appeal to me nor does the majority of these so called "Killer games" coming out for these systems) so for me, I'll stick with my DS wait until the Wii has a couple of good games and probably pick that up. then when i can afford to have an HDTV i'll think about getting a PS3 or X360

[zewone]

But I am dissapointed in the lack of upscaling... that was my big hope. Playing PS2 games and watching DVDs until the great titles start releasing.
Don't worry little buddy, your 360 will be able to upscale very soon.

[DarkNessBear]

Don't worry little buddy, your 360 will be able to upscale very soon.

Really? when they gonna release that patch? :bouncy:

That'd make me a little happier.

[zewone]

Really? when they gonna release that patch? :bouncy:

That'd make me a little happier.
Will it says before 2007, which isn't a clear date, but there is about 9 weeks left of 2006, so it's not that far off.

[furyk]

I'm so glad this topic got bumped.

*eyeroll*

[whoknows]

I'm so glad this topic got bumped.

*eyeroll*
If you just post anything in here it will make the thread closer to reaching 500 posts which means it will be locked!!

BTW 120 posts left until this topic gets locked.

[depascal22]

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[furyk]

If you just post anything in here it will make the thread closer to reaching 500 posts which means it will be locked!!

BTW 120 posts left until this topic gets locked.

What are the chances Daddy makes a new one? Slim to very slim? Right.

[whoknows]

What are the chances Daddy makes a new one? Slim to very slim? Right.
True, it is Daddy that we are talking about. I dont see why he doesnt just go hang out in the Microsoft forums since that is what he apparently likes.


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[Daddy]

If you just post anything in here it will make the thread closer to reaching 500 posts which means it will be locked!!

BTW 120 posts left until this topic gets locked.


Ha you douche, its only 3 weeks till PS3 launch and 2 days till kiosks. I think playing it in a store will be a nice wake up call to many considering most people havent even seen it in action let alone play it. Yes by the way you are wasting your time as i will make a new post probably titled "was it worth it?" or "poop on whoknows" ;) like I said not a fanboy you are just mad about all the bad things about PS3 when you see them all in one place. I also never said there wasnt good things about the system your just apparently blind

[Metal Boss]

astoundingly awesome trolling.

[Daddy]

astoundingly awesome trolling.

Was unaware your following all my posts from 360 forum,Ps3 forum,deals forum...hmm guess thats considered trolling? Oh wait when i type somethin that gets under your skin thats trolling, my bad ;)

[DarienW]

Ha you douche, its only 3 weeks till PS3 launch and 2 days till kiosks. I think playing it in a store will be a nice wake up call to many considering most people havent even seen it in action let alone play it. Yes by the way you are wasting your time as i will make a new post probably titled "was it worth it?" or "poop on whoknows" ;) like I said not a fanboy you are just mad about all the bad things about PS3 when you see them all in one place. I also never said there wasnt good things about the system your just apparently blind

exactly... so why are you people bashing it? trashing something without seeing it in action is as bad as praising it without seeing it in action.

[Metal Boss]

Was unaware your following all my posts from 360 forum,Ps3 forum,deals forum...hmm guess thats considered trolling? Oh wait when i type somethin that gets under your skin thats trolling, my bad ;)

No I'm not following any of it, but it's clear that you're trolling for a response to opinionated matters on video games That aren't released yet, in this thread... grow up.

[depascal22]

Sorry to fan flames but how will the kiosks really simulate gameplay. They're gonna have to tether those bitches to the wall and then you won't be able to use the motion sensors to the max. It'll be hard to form a good opinion on how the games actually play unless they station two big ass guys around you and hand you the controller for five minutes. Hell, if those controllers are easy to get off the wall, I'm jacking at least one. I can't afford 50 bucks for another controller.

[Daddy]

exactly... so why are you people bashing it? trashing something without seeing it in action is as bad as praising it without seeing it in action.


Well bashing is one thing facts are another, you say your system is one thing and then you change it? You take things away,dont add things that are substantial what do you expect? At the same time you cant praise something you havent played either so its really null. Today the kiosks are out, play it,film it,post it on youtube for intensive purposes...then we shall talk

[depascal22]

How did they secure the controllers? Can you still move them around to get the full experience?

[Daddy]

How did they secure the controllers? Can you still move them around to get the full experience?


A chain or a bodygaurd perhaps

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c46/Cloudish/Kittah%20pics/body.jpg

[White-Wolf]

YESSS FIRST POST A DUBBLE POST!!!! can i get extra side of posting with that?

[White-Wolf]

Ok, i do feel dirty for posting in this thread, but, I heard one thing that perked my ears. few people were wondering why all forums get saturated with wii wiis' and m$ people, or are just wondering why they cant find any good news on the ps3.

Well i think their is a answer. I think that this does show that alot of people have their doubts about sony. At first it may have seemed like a sure fire thing, and sony was absolute. But now many people are being turned away from the ps3 and this is why good sony forums are hard to find. Its because people who are going to buy the ps3 is in the minority at the moment. I don’t think sony will do well this time around. I will tell you why.

ground zero- I wont lie, I will be getting a wii and only a wii, but i dont hate sony , (but they are very hard not too). And i wont lie that i do hate m$, and i will explain that too. I wanted a ps3, but i was hopeing for something without blue ray, or a hard drive, or any of that other junk. What i wanted was a ps2 that could play ps3 games. thats not going to happen. I wanted a good system for a good price, thus I went with wii, and why i think that judging from the buzz, it will eventualy have the best 3rd party games.

1 Sony is loosing money on every ps3 someone buys. The price to make it is greater then the price too buy it. This means they have to make ALL their money on the games, and controllers ect. The games are vital to thier strategy. Nintendo btw will be making money every console sold. so while if they do not get the most games, they will still have made a profit on the system itself, and thus is less of a risk.

2 sony, becuse of the price and lack of units made, will have a hard time convincing 3rd party game makers, the very ones who make devil my cry, mgs, and others, that they should stick around. right now sony will live or die by 3rd party games that are on its system, but if they cant sell enough units, 3rd party game makers who will be making exclusive games will loose confidence that the ps3 market will sell enuff games to make a profit and move over to the 360 or the wii for something fresh.

3 what really hurts is that a poll was taken about Japanese game developers, and it turns out, about 70% of them are exited to make games for the wii, while not so much on the ps3, and really not so much on the 360. This is also a blow to the ps3, as it rests on awsome 3rd party games. I beleave that better games are made when the creators are interested in making that game. if game makers are going to have fun makeing games for the wii... that means it will have a strong 3rd games to support it and breath life into it.

ok.... cool i spoke my peace... now to bash the xbox... ahhhahaha


red ring of death. need i say more? if i go on the internet right now, i can find many threads about the red ring of death. Many people on their 4th xbox. NO new versions of the xbox have been made. As i know of it, the overheating problem has been fixed, but the rrod is still prevalent. How can i be confadent to get a 360, when in the back of my mind i am fearfull it will die. This happened on the xbox too. How does Microsoft except educated buyers to get a 360 if they dont have confadicne in the hardware. Its really something i wouldn’t risk.

now for something completely different.

I remember the snes well. I thought it was unstoppable but things change, and because of their deal with Sony for the snes cd upgrade that Nintendo backed out of, sony made the ps. Basically the play station we love, was created indirectly because of mistakes Nintendo made. Now the ps2 dominates and rules supreme. But i don’t think the ps3 has what it takes. I am a purist gamer. I spend my gaming money on a game system. In my view a the ps3 is a computer, not a console. Same goes for xbox. I think they have forgotten what games are. I am also not going to buy a 600 system when i can get something was built from the ground up to be fun with that philosophy embedded into its core. It’s also half the price.

Im not saying that sonys ps3 will suck as a system. I would be stupid to say that. I think the graphics will be awesome, I think it will have some unbeatable games, they may even get that six axis thing under control.. hahah, and blue ray may beat out hd. But even if it does beat out hd, if the price doesn’t drop, they wont win the war. The ps2 won because it was a cheap dvd player. The idea that the ps3 will win because its a cheap blue ray wont work toward their advantage until after the format is well established and that may even be until the ps4. the sp2 one the game market as well because it was the most prevalent system. I am betting that more people will own a wii because of its price and they will win the 3rd party game battle.

If sony cant clearly sell more units then a wii, They might loose their selling titles, making it even harder to out sell the wii.

ah xbox, i rest my cold eyes on you. It seems alot of us hope this or that about the xbox, and while it does well in the us. It doesn’t do well in Japan and if it can cross this hurdle, i don’t think it will last. What once were failing pc game studios, are now thriving xbox game studios. This is how i think the xbox has thrived in the us. They picked up many developers, but Japan still isent biting. Sony holds alot of that market, but if they cant sell the system, they cant sell the games.

I think Nintendo may come ahead for once. I think that they have positioned themselves in a very nice place. They pick up the cheap ass gamers with the price, add completely different way to play games, and you have a position were they will sell more units and get the 3rd party games in tern and also pull in still more 3rd party game developers who miry want to try out making a completely different game.... …


I would jus like to end, saying that i am not a Nintendo fan boy, yes i am a zelda fanboy, but i never got a cube. I loved the ps2, and really wanted a ps3, but it was too much junk and i want a game system, not a universal entertainment system. I think i would have gone with a ps3 though if it was 350 or such. I feel that xbox has sucky games and they know nothing but graphics, and i think that if the ps3 is anything like the psp, that they wont support it because its too much work. By that i mean, making sure thier are plenty of blue ray movies while at the same time plenty of games. Something is got to give, and i dont want to end up with a blue ray player.

Who knows though, sony may pull it off, but they are going to have a rocky road until they can lower that price. Right now, everything is against them, but if they pull through it would be amazing. I have been known to be wrong though. I thought the xbox would fail flat out, I didn’t expect it to be a medium for pc developers to jump into the console market, and I didn’t think so many people liked sports games....:-k

[Kapwanil]

I was an early adopter on the PS1 and, while I won't go into the various stories and whatnot like before, I got mostly burned by Sony when it came to the whole disc reading fiasco. It's a long story but, to make things short, they were real bastards about their warranty (ie: you're definitely covered but please pay $50 shipping and $150 in repair fees so we can fix your PS1!). Yup, good customer service there.

As such I waited on the PS2 while my brother jumped on it fairly quickly. Surprise, surprise, some ways in it also has disc reading issues. Once again, same old Sony schpiel with the same warranty and all of that. What a shocker. What did I do? Oh, I waited a few years, picked up a used PS2 for $15 after selling and trading in the rest of the garbage that came with it, and the thing runs like a dream. Much later model, sold by a college student who had to make his rent, nice deal indeed. It's been over a year of constant use and not the slightest hiccup whatsoever.

So will we be buying a PS3 out of the gate? Hell no. Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice, shame on us. Combine that with the PS3 not being able to play PS1 or PS2 imports and there's no reason for me to pick it up save for PS3-specific games. If I could get rid of, say, my PS1s and PS2 then I'd consider it (although I would buy a model in a year and a half or so) but, with no PS3 games striking me as interesting or "must-own", I really don't care.

Besides, I can wait years on a new system. If I really have to rent a specific game and play it I'll just rent the system locally. For a whopping $15 I can borrow a system for a few days as well as a game? Sign me up. Sure, maybe I'm "losing" money in the long run if I end up renting a handful of games but how can I justify a $700 expenditure [$600 for system, a bit extra for a game or three] that I will only use infrequently rather than $45 or $60 to cover the few games I would like to play over the course of a year?

Sometimes saving money and being frugal involves not spending a dime on something that isn't necessary rather than saving 90% and having something that sits on a shelf or in an entertainment system.

[DJSteel]

right now I will start saving for a PS3.. launch systems ever since the Dreamcast launch has had hardware issues.. this way I get a PS3 around next fall, maybe there will be a price drop by then.. and by then there will be a more of selection of games.

[Daddy]

Now that its out and played it i still say $600 watste of money if bought now with the games that are out. Prediction was right so eat it, ah where is my favorite posters when i need them ;)

[whoknows]

My Gamestop pre-order came through so I'll be getting it Friday morning. It's worth it to me because there are a good amount games I want for it that are coming out at launch or within the next 1-2 months. Will I be able to afford all of them? Hell no. Whoever came up with this $60 game thing should die, but I'll find a way to get the ones that I want the most.

[MadFlava]

I hate that there are two versions of the PS3. While the differences aren't as great as the different 360's. It just ticks me off that those 20 gig models could have been addition 60 gig models. I'll be giving up my place on the preorder list so that my brother can get the 60 gig model he wants for his family. I'll now settle for a 20 gig to sell on Ebay. Things did not go according to plan, but hey you got to make the most out of your situation.

[Apossum]

Lets be real...can you still support THIS THREAD?

With everything we know now from Daddy lies to missing brain cells and acute 360 fanboyism does anyone think THIS THREAD will end up in a good position? I STILL cant understand why everyone who wants this thread is happy about Daddy being included...I mean its a combo electronic device (BIG NO-NO) if your thread breaks then your Daddy is broken too...who the hell buys this thread? Old people do.....thats about it

[DJSteel]

Lets be real...can you still support THIS THREAD?

With everything we know now from Daddy lies to missing brain cells and acute 360 fanboyism does anyone think THIS THREAD will end up in a good position? I STILL cant understand why everyone who wants this thread is happy about Daddy being included...I mean its a combo electronic device (BIG NO-NO) if your thread breaks then your Daddy is broken too...who the hell buys this thread? Old people do.....thats about it

i agree..I think this guy was brain washed just by the way he talks..

[Daddy]

Lets be real...can you still support THIS THREAD?

With everything we know now from Daddy lies to missing brain cells and acute 360 fanboyism does anyone think THIS THREAD will end up in a good position? I STILL cant understand why everyone who wants this thread is happy about Daddy being included...I mean its a combo electronic device (BIG NO-NO) if your thread breaks then your Daddy is broken too...who the hell buys this thread? Old people do.....thats about it

AHHAHA, that was witty of you, but fact remains a disappointing launch and a line-up of games delayed and a price tag to make you cringe for the holidays. After your $1000 present to yourself right by x-mas time I guess youll be getting everyone else cards not presents..lol

[whoknows]

Remember when Bill Gates said Halo 3 would be released at PS3 launch? Where is it?

[furyk]

97

[whoknows]

96

[mykevermin]

Remember when Bill Gates said Halo 3 would be released at PS3 launch? Where is it?

Hanging out in a warehouse with a billion PS3 systems that aren't coming out on Friday.

[Maynard]

94

daddy get 4 guys together we'll fucking spank you in GoW anyday.

[Apossum]

a coutdown, sweet. let's end this complete failure of a thread and forget it ever existed.

93

AHHAHA, that was witty of you, but fact remains a disappointing launch and a line-up of games delayed and a price tag to make you cringe for the holidays. After your $1000 present to yourself right by x-mas time I guess youll be getting everyone else cards not presents..lol


You know....I don't even care about the system warz.

[Dhuk]

Remember when Bill Gates said Halo 3 would be released at PS3 launch? Where is it?


It's now called Gears of War. :booty: ;)

[DJSteel]

AHHAHA, that was witty of you, but fact remains a disappointing launch and a line-up of games delayed and a price tag to make you cringe for the holidays. After your $1000 present to yourself right by x-mas time I guess youll be getting everyone else cards not presents..lol

what a moronic statement...

[Apossum]

what a moronic statement...

comes as no surprise

[DJSteel]

that is true..

[Daddy]

94

daddy get 4 guys together we'll fucking spank you in GoW anyday.

Sweet ill take competition over arguements anyday, I was hoping you would accept! ill have to send you a request via xbox.com.

[Daddy]

As for anyone elses posts, i dont exactly see ANY stellar reviews on games and then the ones like resistance have some half assed review saying its "ok" or "typical yet good" whats that crap about? Oblivion is pushed back as well so what you get COD3 and pay $600? Again if your gonna have an arguement back it up at this point its an EBAY item or a doorstop and i was right like I said, and backed up, and now can justify.

[White-Wolf]

The way i see it, Thier are many threads about the wii and how much fun it will be, but i have yet to see a thread were someone is genuinly exited about the ps3. But i have seen many threads that ask advice about selling thier pre order. I think that shows something profound about the ps3 that we shale see the result of later on.

(dis my spelling and i have won this argument)

[DJSteel]

As for anyone elses posts, i dont exactly see ANY stellar reviews on games and then the ones like resistance have some half assed review saying its "ok" or "typical yet good" whats that crap about? Oblivion is pushed back as well so what you get COD3 and pay $600? Again if your gonna have an arguement back it up at this point its an EBAY item or a doorstop and i was right like I said, and backed up, and now can justify.

IGN.com Resistance Review - 9.1 - http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745206p1.html

NHL 2k7 got an 8.6 and Ridge Racer 7 got an 8.2

at Launch there was only one title got consistently a great score.. Call of Duty 2...

[mykevermin]

The way i see it, Thier are many threads about the wii and how much fun it will be, but i have yet to see a thread were someone is genuinly exited about the ps3. But i have seen many threads that ask advice about selling thier pre order. I think that shows something profound about the ps3 that we shale see the result of later on.

(dis my spelling and i have won this argument)

In terms of sucking, your spelling is only trumped by your post.

This thread is several nanoseconds away from a cat pic deluge, I fear.

[Daddy]

IGN.com Resistance Review - 9.1 - http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745206p1.html

NHL 2k7 got an 8.6 and Ridge Racer 7 got an 8.2

at Launch there was only one title got consistently a great score.. Call of Duty 2...


The IGN resistance score is bullshit the reader average is at 7...when was the last time it was that far off? No online co-op? IGN is always on SONY's jock and this is retarded, play it for yourself its so average it hurts. Again until there the online is their this game cant even honestly be reviewed, hell you cant even review it b/c the network wont even be flooded considering how many units will be available. I still laugh at the japanese #'s showing less than 1 game sold per console. As for your last line what are you referring to 360?

[DJSteel]

The IGN resistance score is bullshit the reader average is at 7...when was the last time it was that far off? No online co-op? IGN is always on SONY's jock and this is retarded, play it for yourself its so average it hurts. Again until there the online is their this game cant even honestly be reviewed, hell you cant even review it b/c the network wont even be flooded considering how many units will be available. I still laugh at the japanese #'s showing less than 1 game sold per console. As for your last line what are you referring to 360?
Just like you are on Xbox's jock and that your perspective is bullshit.. thanks for proving that point...the game isn't out publically so how could you even consider the readers review...

[White-Wolf]

In terms of sucking, your spelling is only trumped by your post.

This thread is several nanoseconds away from a cat pic deluge, I fear.


Thank you for your oh so kind words. I’m glad that you agree with my post by insulting my spelling instead of actually addressing it.



Very witty though :), it does a good job avoiding the question/statement.



But why are there not many threads about how the ps3 will be fun? Has the fun gone out of gaming? All I see at the moment is threads that say their will only be less then 200k ps3s in the us, and ps3 scalping.

[White-Wolf]

if it makes everyone feel better, i hate the xbox more then the ps3....

[Daddy]

Just like you are on Xbox's jock and that your perspective is bullshit.. thanks for proving that point...the game isn't out publically so how could you even consider the readers review...


Hit up target or any other kiosk and try it for yourself, youll see. trust me i was hoping it was good but i didnt think it would be...i was right.

[MadFlava]

150,000 - 200,000 units at launch. They are no where close to what they promised. It really pisses me off that Sony kept us in the dark about these numbers until 3 days before launch. I'm pretty pissed off that all retailers in the area won't be getting the numbers they were expecting.

[DJSteel]

Hit up target or any other kiosk and try it for yourself, youll see. trust me i was hoping it was good but i didnt think it would be...i was right.

so how much time did you put into it? Was it only a level or just a part of level? I'm thinking that it doesn't even matter with you.though...

[mykevermin]

Thank you for your oh so kind words. I’m glad that you agree with my post by insulting my spelling instead of actually addressing it.



Very witty though :), it does a good job avoiding the question/statement.



But why are there not many threads about how the ps3 will be fun? Has the fun gone out of gaming? All I see at the moment is threads that say their will only be less then 200k ps3s in the us, and ps3 scalping.

*we* (those involved in the threads) are not the average gamer. Therefore what *we* say and what *we* think is irrelevant to the overall market. If it were up to us, there would be one console (A Wiistation 360) that would be backwards compatible with the goddamned Atari Jaguar, feature downloads of nothing but Castlevania X: Rondo of Blood, and the only publisher EVER would be Atlus.

Very few people on messageboards have nice things to say about Electronic Arts.

One of every 5 pieces of software sold in the United States in an Electronic Arts franchise.

There's your answer. Because we aren't representative. Jesus.

[Daddy]

so how much time did you put into it? Was it only a level or just a part of level? I'm thinking that it doesn't even matter with you.though...

20 min, and to tell you the truth if it was good id admit it. on a admitting note online is a big thing when it comes to a FPS now so again that hasyet to be tested but it just seemed so mediocore to me and the 1080p tv seemed like a bigger thing than anything. They hyped up the graphics SOOO much let alone the gameplay, hell if you spend $600 for just the system dont you wanna be able to invite friends over to show it off? I mean if its not that impressive wont you feel stupid? think of it that way i guess so instead of bashing i should have phrased it that way.

[White-Wolf]

*we* (those involved in the threads) are not the average gamer. Therefore what *we* say and what *we* think is irrelevant to the overall market. If it were up to us, there would be one console (A Wiistation 360) that would be backwards compatible with the goddamned Atari Jaguar, feature downloads of nothing but Castlevania X: Rondo of Blood, and the only publisher EVER would be Atlus.

Very few people on messageboards have nice things to say about Electronic Arts.

One of every 5 pieces of software sold in the United States in an Electronic Arts franchise.

There's your answer. Because we aren't representative. Jesus.

so as a we, we like the wii? just checking. you have good points though.

[furyk]

$400? PSP was in the US at $250.

[DJSteel]

20 min, and to tell you the truth if it was good id admit it. on a admitting note online is a big thing when it comes to a FPS now so again that hasyet to be tested but it just seemed so mediocore to me and the 1080p tv seemed like a bigger thing than anything. They hyped up the graphics SOOO much let alone the gameplay, hell if you spend $600 for just the system dont you wanna be able to invite friends over to show it off? I mean if its not that impressive wont you feel stupid? think of it that way i guess so instead of bashing i should have phrased it that way.

look.. online will of course take a little bit of time because it's new..but it's not going to kill the system because it is something that can be fixed while the system is out.. like the damn Live updates...btw I can say the same thing graphically about 90% of the 360 games.. a lot of the games have Xbox graphics..and their games are incomplete compared to the Xbox games...Splinter Cell missing modes, Madden missing content, etc.

[Daddy]

look.. online will of course take a little bit of time because it's new..but it's not going to kill the system because it is something that can be fixed while the system is out.. like the damn Live updates...btw I can say the same thing graphically about 90% of the 360 games.. a lot of the games have Xbox graphics..and their games are incomplete compared to the Xbox games...Splinter Cell missing modes, Madden missing content, etc.


HAHa, ok I love my gold old sega CONDEMED game, loved that the most at launch. Yeah what kills a system? How about the price you pay and then you find out HDMI doesnt work or you find a work around and it takes out your surround system..abhabha, WOW for $600 that kind of shit is unforgivable, cant wait to see the breakage and errors that flood the forums next starting tomorrow. its one thing for a system to die/freeze/ or break its another for it to be "incomplete" with that hdmi shit..comon

[DJSteel]

HAHa, ok I love my gold old sega CONDEMED game, loved that the most at launch. Yeah what kills a system? How about the price you pay and then you find out HDMI doesnt work or you find a work around and it takes out your surround system..abhabha, WOW for $600 that kind of shit is unforgivable, cant wait to see the breakage and errors that flood the forums next starting tomorrow. its one thing for a system to die/freeze/ or break its another for it to be "incomplete" with that hdmi shit..comon

what are you talking about?? what hdmi problems?? from what I read that is already fixed... but hey every console has it's issues at launch.. like the 360 giving free repairs to any console built in 2005... Dreamcast blue screening on it's launch games... it happens to consoles... stop putting a f'n microscope over the PS3 and realize it happened to the 360 and everything.. but you are too stupid to be objective...

[Daddy]

what are you talking about?? what hdmi problems?? from what I read that is already fixed... but hey every console has it's issues at launch.. like the 360 giving free repairs to any console built in 2005... Dreamcast blue screening on it's launch games... it happens to consoles... stop putting a f'n microscope over the PS3 and realize it happened to the 360 and everything.. but you are too stupid to be objective...


Your kidding right?

Here let me help you:

About HDMI and older HDTV:
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115296

The sound problems have a work around now if you know what to do, also when you use dreamcast or 360 the system was finished ,it just broke as i stated above, no support is unforgivable

[DJSteel]

Your kidding right?

Here let me help you:

About HDMI and older HDTV:
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115296

The sound problems have a work around now if you know what to do

so again.. read the first thing and discount the rest of my statement... true fanboy fashion...

[Daddy]

so again.. read the first thing and discount the rest of my statement... true fanboy fashion...

Umm can you read or are you blind? i dont know if you qouted me an it got cut off or your just on a crappy pc....either way i did answer you and youll notice that post has not been edited...wierd

Again the PS3 launched without being "complete"

SONY is NOTORIUS for using its own formats or support for all products like pro-duo on cameras to umd on psp now "blu-ray" on PS3...Its just sick, now no support for older hdtv's ...you cant see how ridiculous that is?

[DJSteel]

Umm can you read or are you blind? i dont know if you qouted me an it got cut off or your just on a crappy pc....either way i did answer you and youll notice that post has not been edited...wierd

Again the PS3 launched without being "complete"

SONY is NOTORIUS for using its own formats or support for all products like pro-duo on cameras to umd on psp now "blu-ray" on PS3...Its just sick, now no support for older hdtv's ...you cant see how ridiculous that is?

blu ray is not only supported by Sony...

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/general_information/Section-14009/Index.html

but Sony the ONLY company you blame for that.. Sony supports blu ray and they want to push that technology. less than 15% of the world have HDTVs so while it really does suck for the older HDTVs but they still hit the major populace.. how is it incomplete?? do you have one? Instead of speculating on it like a little bitch and quoting articles on problems that you yourself might not notice, come up with a reason why PS3 is incomplete.. granted every console has it's issue at launch...