Lets be real...can you still support SONY?

[Daddy]

With everything we know now from Phil Harrison lies to missing components and empty promises does anyone think SONY will end up in a good position? I STILL cant understand why everyone who wants a PS3 is happy about a Blu-Ray player being included...I mean its a combo electronic device (BIG NO-NO) if your PS3 breaks then your movie player is broken too...who the hell buys combo devices? Old people do.....thats about it

[Chacrana]

I don't really give a damn about hardware features like Blu Ray, but as long as Sony's system is getting stuff like MGS 4, I'm pretty much forced to buy the system.

[Reality's Fringe]

Sony will be ok. For all the shit that I give them, they wouldn't be in business if they were stupid. I truly don't like Blue-Ray, some of their practices, and the $600 price tag is just fucking asinine to me, but I don't see them going anywhere.

[Daddy]

I don't really give a damn about hardware features like Blu Ray, but as long as Sony's system is getting stuff like MGS 4, I'm pretty much forced to buy the system.


Wouldnt be surprised to see this on 360 in the future...lol

[killswitch64]

I will still buy one at launch.

[hohez]

I never supported SONY, i supported RPGs. I could care less what console is made by whom, as long as it has games I want to play. I won't spend $600 on a console, but as great games come out and the price drops, eventually the two lines intersect and thats when it's time to purchase.

[Daddy]

Yep its all about the games

[Scahom1]

They did the same thing when the PS2 came out (Still waiting for the Toy Story graphics) and people still ate them up. Sony isn't worried.

Myself, I love my 360 and will wait for a true price drop or a Killer App for my PS3 purchase

[jkam]

I have a love hate relationship with Sony. I hate their hardware. I can only get certain games on their systems though...and I like the fact that their systems are backwards compatible. I'm waiting though this gen to see how things pan out before jumping in.

[itspaidgasterblaster]

I could care less if Sony lied as long as we got those amazing Rpgs, stradegy, and games like guitar hero or katamary damacy.

[Number83]

I'll wait for Assassins Creed to come out to judge...this is the only game I have seen that would make me purchase a PS3 at this point. Of course, if they anounce a 360 version...

[suffah]

I'll wait for Assassins Creed to come out to judge...this is the only game I have seen that would make me purchase a PS3 at this point. Of course, if they anounce a 360 version...

I think I read somewhere that the E3 version was running on a 360. It was a story on IGN but they took it down. Can't seem to find the link to the original article anymore.

Ubisoft hasn't denied that AC will be on the 360 though.

[Ecofreak]

I'll wait 1-3 years for the dust to settle and a few models of the PS3 are released to get the bugs and kinks out of the system. If the 360 had so much funk with it during launch, I shutter to think what the PS3 will go through.

[lionheart4life]

I'll wait a year, and my money will go where the games are. I'm not really interested in paying $60 a game for ANY of the new systems, so I'll wait until there is some used or discounted stuff too. It doesn't really matter what any Sony rep, or any other brand for that matter says, you can always read the box of the product you are buying to find out what it does.

I hardly ever watch DVD's because I think they usually aren't worth buying, so Blu-Ray won't mean anything to me. But it is nice that I can just use the PS2 to play something when I do want to watch it. For that reason I wouldn't buy the PS3 for its Blu-Ray function.

I don't care what company makes what system, and I also don't really care what kind of business they do since I'm not a shareholder of any of them. If I can only afford to purchase one system, I will go with whatever one has the most games that I like. For the last two generations of systems that has been Sony's machine, but that could change here and only time will tell. If MGS4 can come out for the 360, that will be a significant factor for me since right now thats the main game I'm interested in for PS3.

[javeryh]

Crap. I voted for #3 but I definitely plan on doing #4 about 3 or 4 times over and then if I make enough money off of that I might keep one for myself... there are too many dumbasses out there who will pay $1,000 if there are shortages...

[willardhaven]

what do you guys do if there are no shortages? lose money?

[javeryh]

what do you guys do if there are no shortages? lose money?

Return the systems where I bought them - it's a win-win...

[Number83]

I think I read somewhere that the E3 version was running on a 360. It was a story on IGN but they took it down. Can't seem to find the link to the original article anymore.

Ubisoft hasn't denied that AC will be on the 360 though.

W00t!!!! I hope you're right!!!!!

[toper]

what do you guys do if there are no shortages? lose money?


There will definitely be shortages...a near-thanksgiving/xmas launch almost guarantees it.

The question is, how big will the margin be? I wouldn't be surprise if it's at least 100%

The other thing is, it may be difficult to even secure ONE. With all the gauging that happened with the 360 (even ebay semi-encouraged it), the speculators/prospectors will be out in full force. Which means, once again, the true gamers get screwed over by the mainstream crowd.

[Mid Boss]

I'd like to say I'll wait a year or so to get a PS3 once there's a price drop, which is probably the best way to go about, but there is that obsessive tech geek part of me that really makes me want to pick one up at launch. Of course unless I win the lottery I'll probably be best off going with the first option. I've resisted the 360 thus far, so I think I can handle avoiding the PS3 for awhile. The Wii on the other hand. . .

[rodeojones903]

Ill be picking one up at launch. $600 for all it does is a good price to me. I dont give a shit what the name on my system is, I just want to play the games.

[willardhaven]

I think I'm going to try to flip one, I just need to figure out where to wait.

[Daddy]

I bet alot of people would have picked sell and wait 1 year for themselves

[Ivanhoe]

With everything we know now from Phil Harrison lies to missing components and empty promises does anyone think SONY will end up in a good position? I STILL cant understand why everyone who wants a PS3 is happy about a Blu-Ray player being included...I mean its a combo electronic device (BIG NO-NO) if your PS3 breaks then your movie player is broken too...who the hell buys combo devices? Old people do.....thats about it


Sony will end up in a great position.

Blue ray roms can hold a ton of storage. which is why i love that it isnt an adon like hddvd is for 360. everygame can now utilize up to 200gig of space on a bd rom. This is a system made for the future of gaming andnot just a more powerful system with a new number attached to it (ps1 to ps2 and xbx to 360)

Including a HDD in every system is also the best move for the future of gaming.

As for your "combo drive" bashing. ever heard of dreamcast? ps1? ps2? xbox? xbox 360? all do more then just play game discs.

So looks like everyone buys "combo devices" .

[jpuma1]

I only have loyalty to the games. I bought a GC simply because of RE4 and Monkey Ball, an XBox solely for Halo 2, and my PS2 i got a year after launch because of MGS2.

I don't give a crap about blu-ray at the moment.

by the time I do, it'll be included in HTIB systems with "brand new" technology like "progressive scan" or whatever they come up with, with the best "new" plug in, better than HDMI, whatever that'll be.

the only reason i want the PS3 is because Sony has the best RPGs, MGS, Tekken, VF, etc. etc.

they have all the franchises. But we'll see if those franchises stay loyal to Sony if the PS3 doesn't sell as well as forcasted in the first year. (btw, i'm in the camp that WON'T buy the PS3 at launch)

[Vinny]

Sony's pretty much guarenteed to be 1st again... honestly, with the market the PS2 has they could've fucked up even worse with the PS3 but the general consumer just isn't that smart. Chances are, 80% of PS2 owners will end up with a PS3 just because they'll think the PS3 is ____ times better than the PS2.

Besides, if the games are good then I doubt gamers won't buy one once the price is right.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I really dont think the momentum carries over that heavily, especially if you keep making decisions that people frown on. Sure, consumers as well as people in general, are pretty dumb, but I still dont think they are guaranteed the crown again. They are not immune from failing.

You'd think the momentum of the SNES wouldve carried over to the N64.

[Robobandit]

I'll probably wait 2-3 years to buy this one.. by then it will have more great games and a lower price tag

[jpuma1]

You'd think the momentum of the SNES wouldve carried over to the N64.

Excellent point

[gunm]

I can't afford a system where the hardware alone costs $600. When the price comes down into the $250 and below range, then maybe I'll consider it.

[depascal22]

Maybe we should start thinking about combining resources to sell some PS3s. I'd love to have a PS3 but with all this potential profit, I can't help trying to flip at least 4 of these. There's been a bunch of speculation that these might go for $1000 but I have a feeling there will be a couple fat cats around NYC that might be willing to drop more.

[Grave_Addiction]

I believe Sony is making a huge mistake in putting so much shit in the PS3 that it has pretty much outpriced itself out of the competition. The average gamer most likely doesn't have the income to spend $700 on a console.

Make no mistake, the PS3 is going to be an excellent system. Probably the best one ever made, but at $600, it's out of most people's price range.

It will be interesting to see what Sony does if sales are pretty bad soon after launch. Will they bend and announce a price drop, or will they continue to preach how "cheap" it is and how we should thank them for creating such a work of art?

[Daddy]

Price drop im betting

[argyle]

I've been getting a lot of chuckles from reading stuff on message boards lately (not just this one). It seems message board life is completely removed from the real world. EVERYWHERE I go, people are talking about the PS3 - how they're going to get one, where they can get one, when pre-orders will start. The 360, even when it was selling out, didn't have nearly the same buzz. Most of the people I know who did buy a 360 got it either because a) they get all of the systems or b) they got a really good deal on one & got it "just because".

EVERYONE wants a PS3. It will be nearly impossible to find, and will sell through the roof. But if you went by what you hear on message boards, there would only be 3-4 people lined up at launch to buy it, and everyone would be buying a Wii instead. Of course, if you also went by the boards the Gamecube would have been the best-selling console last gen. :-P

[Dr Mario Kart]

Maybe your reality is just exceptional. No one I know on this side of the screen is planning on getting a PS3. None of them own a 360, and almost all of them are buying a Wii at launch.

[rodeojones903]

Maybe your reality is just exceptional. No one I know on this side of the screen is planning on getting a PS3. None of them own a 360, and almost all of them are buying a Wii at launch.

Your reality is just not the norm apparenty. I would say 60% of the people I talk to and/or hang out with have a 360, and are really pumped for the PS3. People I work with that are not even big in gaming talk about the PS3.

[toper]

I don't think the price will hurt demand of the Ps3 at all...whatever little johnny wants at xmas time, that's what his parents are gonna get him, REGARDLESS of the price. You'd be surprised at what parents are willing to throw down to shutup their spoiled brats during the holidays.

[Genocidal]

Your reality is just not the norm apparenty. I would say 60% of the people I talk to and/or hang out with have a 360, and are really pumped for the PS3. People I work with that are not even big in gaming talk about the PS3.

Count my reality as not being "the norm" either. People I know are thinking about getting a 360, but when they heard the price of the PS3, the definite launch buy went down to a wait (presumably for a price drop) and buy.

[Kapwanil]

Simply put, I adore a good portion of the PS2 library and have over 120 titles for the PS2 alone...and yet I didn't buy my own PS2 until seven months ago for a song (around $60 for a fat PS2, two controllers, 1st party mem card, headset, network adaptor, and three games).

At this rate I honestly don't see myself even considering a PS3 until well down the line. I like the way some of the games are shaping up but the MSRP is way too high for me to even consider, especially when there are plenty of games out on the market. Why should I consider spending around up to $800 or $850 on a new system and games in a single year when I can wait around, buy most of the games I want when their prices drop for about $150 to $200 and call it a year?

[vinhjdao]

I don't think the price will hurt demand of the Ps3 at all...whatever little johnny wants at xmas time, that's what his parents are gonna get him, REGARDLESS of the price. You'd be surprised at what parents are willing to throw down to shutup their spoiled brats during the holidays.

Even little johnny has some conception of value and effeciency. If given the choice between a PS3 and one game, or a Wii and four games, I wonder which one he would choose?

[argyle]

Even little johnny has some conception of value and effeciency. If given the choice between a PS3 and one game, or a Wii and four games, I wonder which one he would choose?


Little Johnny isn't the target audience for the launch period - it's his dad. ;)

[whoknows]

Uh...yes?

Its about the games, and so far the PS3 has the most exclusive games that I want (DMC4, MGS4, Killzone 2, Heavenly Sword, Eight Days, etc)...so until Microsoft can offer me more than FPS/Sports games and Nintendo can get some real 3rd party support I'm sticking with Sony.

[graf1k]

While it would be nice to afford and have a PS3 at launch, the lack of interesting launch titles and the high price will keep me from buying one unless I get a large windfall of money between now and then. Couple that with a pretty stellar holiday line up for 360 and the Wii launching at the same time and I don't feel the need to drop $600 on a PS3 in November. I admit, when the 360 came out there wasn't a great load of great launch titles, but I don't see anything on the PS3 list that I want before MGS4 that I can't live without, and that's probably late 2007 at the earliest. Assassins Creed looks cool but I think that will probably end up on 360 at some point, and even if it doesn't I'm not sure it interests me enough to sell me on a PS3.

Also, I think people are overestimating the loyalty of consumers to Sony. Last gen, the PS2 was relatively inexpensive. This generation the launch price of the PS3 is DOUBLE that of the PS2. I personally think that's going to turn away a lot of people that might normally have bought a PS3 at launch, especially if it's launch titles look worse than the current crop of titles for 360. Everything I heard from E3 about Madden 07 for 360 and Madden 07 for PS3 said the 360 version easily looked and played better than the PS3 version. And it's shit like that that is going to reign in casual players IMO. Of course the PS3 will still sell out though, if only because there are going to be people buying 2-3 to sell on eBay.

[Vinny]

I honestly don't think any of today's systems have pr oven to be worthy of buying at launch.. the last system that I thought was worth it at launch was the N64.

In the end, it does come down to the launch price for me. A PS3 (downgraded version), an Xbox 360 (premium) + 2 games, or a Wii and five games.

While the power is nice, what good is it if it only lasts for... 10-15 hours of enjoyment (assuming that's the average length of one game).

It's not whether the PS3 will be worth owning... it's a question of when it'll be worth owning.

[doctorfaustus]

I voted to wait.

My bro bought the PS2 at launch and it was cool. The graphics were neat but there just weren't enough games at launch. I think we had ready to rumble 2 for a while and then Unreal Tournament. The thrill died fast. My bro then sold it and made a profit. I didn't buy one for myself until GTA 3 came out. When GTA 3 came out I marched over to the nearest Target and bought the system, game, and memory card.
It will probably be a similar story this time around. I'll wait until GTA 4 comes out and then march out to the store and hand over my cash like a chump.

However, since I now have more cash fluidity I will be able to indulge at launch if I want to.
Still, 599 plus 59.99 game and tax wiil be end up totalling 7 bills and change just to get started. That's a lot of money.

[Grave_Addiction]

Little Johnny isn't the target audience for the launch period - it's his dad. ;)

And chances are his dad is going to say fuck Sony when it comes to forking over $600 for a video game console.

[Grave_Addiction]

I voted to wait.

My bro bought the PS2 at launch and it was cool. The graphics were neat but there just weren't enough games at launch. I think we had ready to rumble 2 for a while and then Unreal Tournament. The thrill died fast. My bro then sold it and made a profit. I didn't buy one for myself until GTA 3 came out. When GTA 3 came out I marched over to the nearest Target and bought the system, game, and memory card.
It will probably be a similar story this time around. I'll wait until GTA 4 comes out and then march out to the store and hand over my cash like a chump.

However, since I now have more cash fluidity I will be able to indulge at launch if I want to.
Still, 599 plus 59.99 game and tax wiil be end up totalling 7 bills and change just to get started. That's a lot of money.

You do realize that GTA 4 is launching simultaneously on the 360 and PS3, right? If all you want to play is GTA 4, you can do it much cheaper than buying from Sony.

[Chacrana]

Wouldnt be surprised to see this on 360 in the future...lol


I would. Kojima doesn't like ports and ports of MGS games have never turned out as well as they did in their original PS/PS2 iterations.

[Quackzilla]

meh, I can't really afford it but I really want one.

I think this reference to Pulp Fiction is a good one.

The PS3 is like a $5 shake.

The $5 shake is so goddamn good that it will blow your mind away, but it is still $5 for a shake.

[toper]

Even little johnny has some conception of value and effeciency. If given the choice between a PS3 and one game, or a Wii and four games, I wonder which one he would choose?


He would get the PS3 so he could TRADE games with all of his friends who will be getting one too!

[toper]

Little Johnny isn't the target audience for the launch period - it's his dad. ;)


Good point...but daddy has to use lil johnny as his "excuse"!

[zionoverfire]

Blu-Ray player being included...I mean its a combo electronic device (BIG NO-NO) if your PS3 breaks then your movie player is broken too...who the hell buys combo devices? Old people do.....thats about it

The combo idea was instrumental in selling the PS2. At the time of release a good DVD player was $200, making the PS2 a steal for anyone interested in a DVD player and system.

Of course I really don't have any interest in Blu-Ray so I'm currently against buying a PS3 simply based on the increased cost to support a player I don't want.

[Vinny]

The combo idea was instrumental in selling the PS2. At the time of release a good DVD player was $200, making the PS2 a steal for anyone interested in a DVD player and system.

Of course I really don't have any interest in Blu-Ray so I'm currently against buying a PS3 simply based on the increased cost to support a player I don't want.

But the PS2 also came out in a time when DVDs have picked up a bit of steam... it's different with HD-DVDs/Blu-Ray as most stores don't have carry either format yet. Also add in the fact that every movie studio supported DVD whereas they're split on the upcoming formats.

[whoknows]

But the PS2 also came out in a time when DVDs have picked up a bit of steam... it's different with HD-DVDs/Blu-Ray as most stores don't have carry either format yet. Also add in the fact that every movie studio supported DVD whereas they're split on the upcoming formats.
Last I checked though, Blu-ray looks to have a lot more support than HD-DVD is getting...I'll try to find the list online again and post the link.

[guardian_owl]

IMHO the PS2's gaming library had the greatest variety of quality games (something for almost everyone) of the previous generation. If they continue that tradition, then yes, I will purchase a PS3 after the first or second price drop.

[Daddy]

But the PS2 also came out in a time when DVDs have picked up a bit of steam... it's different with HD-DVDs/Blu-Ray as most stores don't have carry either format yet. Also add in the fact that every movie studio supported DVD whereas they're split on the upcoming formats.

Agreed...split format and again no REAL home theater person buys combo items....no WAY would I use a gaming system as my primary DVD player no matter what

[Daddy]

Ha most people waiting wins so far..... then selling to other people or not buying at all is next....then some people getting at launch....sounds about right...EBAY watch out!

[jer7583]

There's no reason a gamer should support sony this time around. If MGS4 came to 360, it'd all be over, except for hardcore sony fanboys and Final Fantasy geeks.

[Dr Mario Kart]

We still have yet to see where a significant number of the J-RPG developers are going next gen. Most of them dont really have high graphical requirements and look to be doing PS2 stuff still.

But they dont exactly have a lot of incentive to go 360 if they intend to sell units in their home country.

If all of them go PS3, then the Japanese will follow.

[zewone]

I can't.. I don't want a Blu Ray player...so the fact that i have to spend at least $200 extra on something I don't want to play a PS3 is very unpleasing. Plus the fact that 360 is getting a bunch of games I really intrested in and the only game I want on PS3 is MGS4 makes it a little easier to pass them by this generation.

I might still get one, if I buy two and sell the 1st one to cover my costs.

[salmonaxxx]

I think it'll sell out in most major cities (which is what happened with the PSP). But for most of the country, it'll sit on the shelves. $500/$600 is just too much for most people, especially when the 360 gets its holiday lineup, and the Wii launches.

You can't make the comparison of the PS3's Blu-Ray being as appealing as the PS2's DVD playing capabilities, because there are going to be few Blu-Ray movies on the shelves when the PS3 launches. When the PS2 launched, there was already a serious DVD presence.

I'm gonna get one at launch, but I definitely won't be in the majority.

[jam3582]

I am going towards the japanese game developers as I can only imagine if what crazy and original games they might come up with on the wii or ps3 (sorry 360 I love yah but the japanese dont ). Ill get a ps3 at launch as I kno damn well the techy in me will want one no matter what horrid launch tittles are realesed with it.

I have a feeling the launch line up wont be so bad mayb almost on par with the 360's . Hey you never know . I love my 360 though so I am getting all 3 just to future proof myself . Once I see a game I want thats exclusive to one system I kno I am gonna want it no matter what .

[rabbitt]

Can you imagine a defective PS3 at launch? You thought dead pixels and the 360's Red Ring of Death were bad, well...

[miniarnold]

I never supported SONY, i supported RPGs. I could care less what console is made by whom, as long as it has games I want to play. I won't spend $600 on a console, but as great games come out and the price drops, eventually the two lines intersect and thats when it's time to purchase.

This is where I'm at also. I love RPGs, and I don't care which system I'm playing them on. I hope to hold out as long as possible, to get a PS3 as cheap as possible.

That said, it's going to be hard for me to stay away from a PS3 after FF XIII is released. I finally downloaded the FF XIII video from IGN last night. All I can say is, wow, it's sure got a pretty mouth.

[robbart914]

FF XIII will probably not see release for like a year and a half after launch. If it it takes around a year later for Japan, you know it takes a good 8 or 9 months usually to get it localized.

If you can make it until then, it's got to be the thing to do. By then, you'll have a good idea what kind of third party support the PS3 is getting, what kind of support Bluray is getting, and of course a probably $100 or more price drop.

I wish I can hold out that long. I think I can manage the storm of the launch, due to even owning a launch PS1 and getting burned there, but MGS4 is probably going to break me. That'll almost definitely see release before FF, and will get an almost simultaneous worldwide release probably. Hell, I think the States got the last one before Japan even.

[Metal Boss]

...I still support sony, I'm not going to drop them because of this overblown controller fiasco, rediculous...

PS1, PS2 were both incredible systems and I predict the same for PS3, I can't believe the slime that is being tossed their way.

[yester]

i don't supoort sony either.
the most impressive games i've played were MGS, FF, ICO, DQ. Everything else was average. But then, i haven't played all.
FF came even from the nintendo platform. well, they never go back i think.
I have to wait until it drops drastically down. Something like 300-400$ perhaps.
Maybe then.....

[jputahraptor]

When did cheapassgamer turn into a kiss nintendo's ass site. If the fanboys want to gloat about their system they got their pages, why attack sony over ever little thing? Can't afford the initial pricetag, oh well their's millions making more money than you and they have a large enough fan base to make lots of money. Xbox360 sold all their systems and people resold them on ebay for hugh markups and guess what, people payed hundreds more than the original price tag, just cause were cheap doesn't mean there aren't plenty out there with money to burn. The system is a one shot deal $ wise anyway and if it comes with perks that will save you from buying other things(dvd players, blu ray whatevers) instead then it's justified. Let's wait a little closer to launch before we cry about every little thing that hasn't even been finalized yet, every magazine i've read has a different theory about how it will all turn out so settle down.


P.S. I'm not a fanboy of any system, if I were it would be sega but um...they ain't in it anymore but really I'm sick of nintendo's fans and the anti-sony crowd spouting every thought that enters their mind, i think blu-ray and what it will produce maybe a year or two after launch will far outweigh replaying nintendo ports on the why...um wii that young people don't want to play, there loss but i bought those games and i have them and many wants new experiences not ports. I'm 22, nostalgia isn't going to last me another 50 years, I want new nostalgia.

[jputahraptor]

And isn't this poll a little biased, I mean your asking people on a site called cheapassgamer if they would buy a $500 or so system, when most of us here wouldn't spend $6 on a triple A title they knew they could get for $5 6 months from now. Why don't you go to richassgamers and pose the same question, really this poll is pure stupidity. Support the systems you like, don't support the ones you don't and leave it at that.

[Genocidal]

Are you related to solid snake?

[jputahraptor]

Are you related to solid snake?

Only if your related to Mario or Master Chief.

[suko_32]

I MUST have MGS4 so.....I'm getting the PS3. Use a lil of that scholarship money.....

[kjauburn]

Last year if when the Xbox 360 hit I was impressed by the graphics (call of duty), but not the games themselves. I been a diehard Sony supporter since the PS so I realize I am bias. I was waiting for the PS3 launch, but not anymore. The price is the main thing that has caused me to do a doubletake. Plus truthfully with the upcoming line up from Microsoft I am not even sure you can tell who will have the biggest heavy hitting games. If anything the sony price point is going to allow for all the systems to really have a place for the first year or two.

Personally after seeing the Wii lineup and the potential for the controller I plan on purchasing a Wii at launch. Then wait it out to see where things will end up with the other systems. For me the decision was easy as soon as I heard the price points, of course I have a baby due in Sept adding weight to the decision. If this was 10 years ago when I was in college playing games 40-50 hours a week I would be lining up the night the ps3 came out.

[CappyCobra]

I honestly don't think any of today's systems have pr oven to be worthy of buying at launch.. the last system that I thought was worth it at launch was the N64... Of all system launches, you say the N64 was a worthy launch purchase? They had TWO fucking games at launch! Pilotwings64 was a snore to put it mildly. Mario64 was THE only game to get (and I just rented a system for the week). Not to mention that the games were selling upwards of $80 USED (SW: SOTE I recall specifically) around X-mas. Then the one game a month BS was a total turn off. I loved the 64, but it was WAAAAaaayy down the line when the library justifed the shelf space.

Dreamcast had a waaaay better launch; Soul Calibur, Hydro Thunder, Sonic Adventure, Power Stone, Mortal Kombat Gold & HOTD2 just to name a few. Plus the VMU was (and still is) a revolutionary piece.

[daroga]

Only if your related to Mario or Master Chief.
I think he meant the CAG user "solid snake". And no, he can't be, jputahraptor usues punctuation and semi-comprehensible grammar.

[guinaevere]

I would. Kojima doesn't like ports and ports of MGS games have never turned out as well as they did in their original PS/PS2 iterations.
Kojima doesn't like ports? Right. You are aware that the Metal Gear franchise would never have taken off if it's original title (MSX computer) wasn't ported to the NES, aren't you? But hey, if you can supply me with a credible source other than reporting what you heard from a friend or some retailer working in a video game shop, I'd be happy to read it.


Sugar, Konami is a business, and they are full aware that their ports (including but not at all limited to MGS) have always brought in additional profit, which is why they have continued to port their games from one system to another.

And if anyone hasn't been paying attention to the Wii Smash Brothers promo, the first non-Nintendo character who showed up hiding in a box was who boys and girls? That's right! Solid Snake! So if anyone is thinking that the MGS titles will be strictly Sony exclusives in the next console generation, you're sadly mistaken. Or do you think Nintendo is advertising Konami's heavy hitter out of the kindness of their hearts with no alternate motive?

The combo idea was instrumental in selling the PS2. At the time of release a good DVD player was $200, making the PS2 a steal for anyone interested in a DVD player and system.
Not true. It may have been your reason to purchase a ps2, but not the majority of consumers'. Sony's PlayStation was a solid introduction to the video game console market, and the PS2 was a solid successor, again with full third party support, that very nice backwards-compatibility feature, and if the launch titles didn't grab you, there was a full stable of quality games coming down the pike to choose from.



As to the issue of the PS3's price (I will only discuss the full $600 system, as the idea of dropping $500 for a HELLO! blu-ray player/console withOUT HDMI is flushing half a grand down the drain), look at what you are getting for your money.

If nothing else, you're getting a Sony built blu-ray player for less than $1000. You want a gaming system? Well, you're getting a nice system with more of the same titles from more of the same third-party supporters. If that makes you happy, spend the money and move on. Because that's the price. If it's too much, wait 18 months or so for a price drop. It won't kill you. Or take on a second (or first) job if you have no patience.


The big issue that so many people are overlooking is Sony's scheming to push their blu-ray into homes, to edge HD out as the next industry standard. Remember, this is their technology which they spent gobs of money and man hours on R&D for. They want this to be the next industry standard in order to not just recoup their investment, but to make gobs of money on the patent...

Look, Joe and Martha Smith drop $600 on a PS3 to make Joe, Martha or Joe Jr happy. Joe and Martha Smith now own not just a new video game console but oooh la la! they own a Blu-Ray player as well!

I put it to you: How likely is it that they now drop another $500+ on an HD player? Answer: Not very.

The follow up question is then: Will Joe and Martha Smith now buy HD or Blu-Ray dvds? Answer: Blu-Ray dvds. (you did figure this out, right?)

So we're looking at a significant number of Blu-Ray players making their way into hundreds of thousands of households around the globe in the upcoming year. (Hundreds of thousands of households who may not have even considered investing in a next gen DVD player for another 18-24+ months, because what's on the shelves at the time are very pricey second gen HD/Blu-Ray players... it's generally not until 4th generation when prices begin to drop so significantly that a piece of hardware such as this starts to sell in large numbers.) Buena Vista, MGM, Warner Brothers, et cetara see this very sizable market, and realize it's in their interest to publish their movies NOT on HD, but Blu-Ray.

It's VERY good business from their stand point.

Me? I find Blu-Ray inferior to HD, but the ultimate result will be Blu-Ray being the next industry standard. While I'm not thrilled about it, I remain optimistic by looking forward to buying cheap used copies of anime DVDs as people buy the republished Blu-Ray editions in the upcoming years.


"Please. Hold your applause."
-Nick Kang

[whoknows]

Kojima doesn't like ports? Right. You are aware that the Metal Gear franchise would never have taken off if it's original title (MSX computer) wasn't ported to the NES, aren't you? But hey, if you can supply me with a credible source other than reporting what you heard from a friend or some retailer working in a video game shop, I'd be happy to read it.

Kojima did call the NES version of Metal Gear garbage on the Metal Gear Saga DVD.

Also, I forget where I read it, he says it takes too much effort to port a game...I'm sure someone knows which article I am talking about since it was posted on CAG.

[guinaevere]

Pilotwings64 was a snore to put it mildly.
Some of us enjoyed PW. But I understand most folks don't have the skill patience for flight sims.

[guinaevere]

Kojima did call the NES version of Metal Gear garbage on the Metal Gear Saga DVD.
And of what relevence is that? It brought the title to a system which was vastly more popular, and it sold great numbers for the time. More to the point, it STARTED the trend of porting many of the MG franchise titles... it didn't END it. So he can say it's garbage now. He may even have thought it at the time. But I'd prefer he put his money where his mouth is. If he truly believed a port were garbage, then that would have been the last time his game was ported.

Also, I forget where I read it, he says it takes too much effort to port a game...I'm sure someone knows which article I am talking about since it was posted on CAG.Too much effort for his liking, or too much effort to continue the practice?

It's possible I'm wrong and that Hideo said he won't be furthering the practice of ports for this franchise. But even if he has stated this catagorically, I won't believe it. I've seen too often over the years companies saying they'd never work with XYZ again, that they're giving exclusive rights to ABC... and see that statement spun and/or blatantly contradicted in the following months/years.

[argyle]

I'm gonna get one at launch, but I definitely won't be in the majority.


...only because the majority won't be able to get their hands on one. I swung by FYE the other day & put my money down on one (probably not the most reliable store for getting a day-1 system, but my philosophy is to put my name down everywhere I can & hope at least one pans out). Anyway, I was talking to the kid working there and he out of the blue makes the comment to me "Well, you couldn't give me a 360..". I mentally marked him down as YET ANOTHER random person I've run into that has zero interest in MS's console but is very interested in Sony's.

I go to EB & glance at the 360 shelves, and I see a slim selection consisting mainly of sports games & shooters, many of which are pc ports. And I wonder to myself "how exactly are they setting this system apart from the Xbox?" The answer, of course, is that they aren't.

I have no love for either of the actual companies. Sony is pushing blu-ray, MS is pushing Vista. But Sony has the games I'm interested in, because anyone can see they will have the lion's share of the Japanese support. So while $600 for a system is expensive, $400 for a system that doesn't play the games I want is a complete waste of money.

Ah well, it still amuses me to read on message boards where people are predicting the end of the Playstation name. Let's have this conversation again in a year or so, shall we? :)

[CappyCobra]

Some of us enjoyed PW. But I understand most folks don't have the skill patience for flight sims. I respect that you enjoyed PW64, but the whole point I was making was that Mario64 was soldout so PW sold by default. PW64 doesn't have the mass appeal that M64 had. Having two games at launch is a pisspoor selection period. Regardless if one of those games defined the standard of platformers.

If you're going to respond to the WHOLE post I made, take the horse blinders off and defend the N64 launch. They had less games initally available, less quantity (hence why SW:SOTE was selling used for 80 since you couldn't find a new one), and less frequency of game releases.

You can't defend it because it's true. Do not mistakenly take my statements for N64 bashing. The truth is the truth no matter how hard you try to spin it. All three systems of that generation were disappointing at certain generes, it's just that Sony had more rounds (games) to fire, so it had more chances to hit. But it also had alot more crap games to go along with it. For every one that was a hit, there were 10 that were <Fill in the blank ;)>. Saturn was actutally out selling N64 in Japan and may have done the same if Sega Of America woke the hell up and started localizing more 2D titles and play to the system's strengths, the Saturn would have done alot better in the states.

Back on topic: With the Exception of the BluRay drive, Sony has nothing unqiue (Besides the giant mutant craps in feudal Japan :lol:) to distinguish itself from it's competitors. And with the $200 premium difference in price compared to it closest competitor, it further wedges it away from the mainstream consumer.

[yester]

Kojima doesn't like ports? Right. You are aware that the Metal Gear franchise would never have taken off if it's original title (MSX computer) wasn't ported to the NES, aren't you? But hey, if you can supply me with a credible source other than reporting what you heard from a friend or some retailer working in a video game shop, I'd be happy to read it.


Sugar, Konami is a business, and they are full aware that their ports (including but not at all limited to MGS) have always brought in additional profit, which is why they have continued to port their games from one system to another.

And if anyone hasn't been paying attention to the Wii Smash Brothers promo, the first non-Nintendo character who showed up hiding in a box was who boys and girls? That's right! Solid Snake! So if anyone is thinking that the MGS titles will be strictly Sony exclusives in the next console generation, you're sadly mistaken. Or do you think Nintendo is advertising Konami's heavy hitter out of the kindness of their hearts with no alternate motive?


I remember Kojima saying a while ago, that he is indeed impressed with the (formaerly) revolution and stating on eventually developing a game for it.
Maybe we will see a game from him on the Wii. Would be cool indeed.

[ragtop70]

What lies is the OP referring to? Please provide links. I don't doubt we've been lied to, but I just don't know what the lies were about.
If people let lies keep them from buying a system, Microsoft wouldn't have sold a 360. Remember the promises of standard hard drives, wireless controllers, etc. Sure, they're "standard" if you buy the Premium system.

[Daddy]

Well even IGN (which is soooo PS fanboy its not even funny) had this to say for E3 reviews:

Sony, you broke our hearts. Before the press conference, a lot of people thought that this could be the year that Sony placed so much distance between itself and its competitors that they'd automatically be declared the next-gen winner. Instead, the conference cast a ton of doubt on just about everything. From the extreme boredom that set in when the Gran Turismo HD demo ran too long to showing lackluster titles at their press conference, Sony let the momentum they built up from last year literally fade away. No Killzone or Devil May Cry (and no apology to their absence) had people scratching their heads, while other viewers couldn't get over the wii-tarded demonstration of the "additional" motion sensing controller, which seemed to "borrow" just about everything from Sony's competition (while killing vibration at the same time).

The price of the console gave lots of players around the world a heart attack as they tried to figure out how they could pay down for it come this November. Plus, the discovery of the 20 gig system missing key hardware features turned the dual price point argument into a point of ridicule for many supporters of the platform. Not the best start to the 2006 show by any means.

[Metal Boss]

Yeah, but IGN sucks...


I've read better reviews at gamefaqs, and I've seen less ads at a gang bukkake site directory.

[guinaevere]

PW64 doesn't have the mass appeal that M64 had. Having two games at launch is a pisspoor selection period.
I never implied otherwise. On either count. I was just making a snide comment about flight sims.

If you're going to respond to the WHOLE post I made, take the horse blinders off and defend the N64 launch.
No blinders on, trust me. I have always liked Nintendos systems and their games, but I wasn't making ANY comment about the launch lineup.

(hence why SW:SOTE was selling used for 80 since you couldn't find a new one), and less frequency of game releases.
Speaking of which, my buddy Lord Dalek from toonzone.net had the brilliant idea of bringing Shadows of the Empire to the DS. I want that to happen.


Other than that, I'd love to argue with you, but we really don't have anything that we're disagreeing on... other than flight sims. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/guinaevere/smilies/wooper.gif

[jer7583]

I for one loved pilotwings 64 and i still enjoy it. Something about that game is just relaxing. Plus flying around and exploring little america was unlike anything else at the time.

Then you have Mario 64, which every 3D platformer since used as a basis for control, camera, level design, etc.

My cousins/friends and I played the hell out of 64 games.. probably because there were so few, but we got our money's worth out of SOTE, WaveRace, Mario Kart, Goldeneye... etc. The multiplayer on a lot of those titles was priceless.

Back on point, I don't understand supporting sony's decision to significantly increase console prices past their typical $300-400 limit. Oh well, some people just want to have that status symbol in their house.

[Daddy]

Off the record N64 only had 2 games at launch and is still one of the most successful launches ever....thats funny shizzle

[daroga]

Off the record N64 only had 2 games at launch and is still one of the most successful launches ever....thats funny shizzle
What? On what grounds was it the one of the most successful launches ever?

[Daddy]

What? On what grounds was it the one of the most successful launches ever?


"thats funny shizzle" hence I think thats a funny statement...I guess you could say it was b/c it sold with only 2 launch titles but besides that its funny

[jer7583]

What? On what grounds was it the one of the most successful launches ever?

I had a hell of a time getting one that christmas when it came out. Games were even harder to find. I'd say that is successful. It launched with two games, but Mario 64 was that good that people had to have the system.

[graf1k]

Why the hell does everyone care so much about Killzone? Before last year's trailer I don't think most people cared about Killzone at all if they had even heard of it. And the game is never going to live up to that trailer in any way. That's why they didn't show it.

[Daddy]

Why the hell does everyone care so much about Killzone? Before last year's trailer I don't think most people cared about Killzone at all if they had even heard of it. And the game is never going to live up to that trailer in any way. That's why they didn't show it.


OK agreed...i guess some posted about this?.....SONY are hype mongering Lairs....agreed...it was a low blow to show that last year and fool the general public....now the price is a double punch to the nuts even harder this year....back to back shite E3's for SONY

[MarioColbert]

I don't think that you can draw some imaginary lines between PS3 and Nintendo's N64 flop. PS1 gave gamers something that N64 did not have, and the developers jumped on board with little hesitation. It wasn't something as meaningless as HD playback, it was CD support with great hardware. PS2 inclusion of a DVD player ability was a genius marketing move: tons of households bought it as a DVD player for their kids to put to their own room. You knew that, though.

At this point in time, despite the fact that Sony's PS3 doesn't include hardware that most care about (at least most of gamers here expressed that BlueRay does nothing for them), it does not have the competition that PS1 had given N64. And PS1 gave N64 a run for it's money. Now, I find the price to be ludicrous, but it does not imply that all of a sudden everyone will run towards Wii. Sure, PS3 may not be "the answer," but most people out there are not really asking any questions. PS3 wins by numbers, fair and square. The only number that is high that is not good for them, unfortunately, is the price.

"MGS4. QED." is the best answer I heard to most (if not all) anti-Sony arguments.

[solid snake]

OK agreed...i guess some posted about this?.....SONY are hype mongering Lairs....agreed...it was a low blow to show that last year and fool the general public....now the price is a double punch to the nuts even harder this year....back to back shite E3's for SONY
your right,but so is microsoft.
and the reason i am getting the ps3 is because they will have a better online network setup than Xbox 360 and we wont have to pay for it,
plus to me it looks alot cooler than other systems ,i like the controllers more than anyother systems and they have all the games i love ,mgs4,Killzone,Hitman,and gta4,plus i hate how gimmicky nintendo is
they are all o0oo0o000oohhh we have new controller this best thing eva,you move you controller to play game on new nintendo with gamecube graphics. what i am saying sony has actually tried to make some improvements,allso its the only one thats going to be backwards compatiable if i remember right.

[Genocidal]

Now I know you're just trying to troll. I can't believe that you'd honestly think everything you typed there is true.

[Metal Boss]

Now I know you're just trying to troll. I can't believe that you'd honestly think everything you typed there is true.


Maybe you could translate it for the rest of us.

[solid snake]

Now I know you're just trying to troll. I can't believe that you'd honestly think everything you typed there is true.

Name one thing thats not true in my post.
whats wrong with what i said?
nintendo is just trying to make money with that new gimmicky controller, and i hate that sony ditched the dual shock to follow,why do i want to have to move the controller to play games when it has buttons and analog sticks?
I like nintendo and all its just i think they shouldve made the graphics a little better, and not done the motion sensor thing. it saddens me that sony is following.




and btw just so you guys all know that was my cousin that posted in that other thread so dont judge me on what ever he said.

[Dr Mario Kart]

All the details regarding Sony's online solution have not been disclosed yet. You cant accurately say its better yet.

Everyone has backwards compatibility. The Wii plays Gamecube games as well as the back catalogue all the way back to the NES as well as Genesis and TurboGrafx games.

The 360 of course plays a lot & an ever increasing number of xbox games.

I expect the PS1/2 compatibility to be better than the 360 situation, but not perfect. The PS2 already doesnt play a couple PS1 games.

Gimmicky is just an opinion. The Japanese dont seem to think the DS is very gimmicky.

Normally I'd just let RF or Strell handle you, but I'm bored.

[MarioColbert]

This is a GTA-addict speech. I'm a linguist by trade, so I am happy to translate:

your right,but so is microsoft.
It appears that Microsoft is to your right.


and the reason i am getting the ps3 is because they will have a better online network setup than Xbox 360 and we wont have to pay for it,

The key words to read here are: Better Online Network Setup. I agree. Everything Sony had said about it made me believe that they know what they are doing, and that it will be, well, for the lack of a better term, uh... BETTER. Better than Jesus.


what i am saying sony has actually tried to make some improvements,allso its the only one thats going to be backwards compatiable if i remember right.
Yes, PS3 is the only system that will be backwards compatible this time around. Nobody else has announced anything at all remotely concerning playing older games on new consoles.

:applause: Very good research, Solid Snake. You get MarioColbert's medal of approval. I wonder if you do any writing on the side: your style is exactly what I will need to reach frat houses and potheads everywhere. I'm wondering if you would like to get a little paid on the side to write advertisements for Sony's PS3. If you accept, I have a keyboard that has been used as a skateboard before. I'm sure the "random caps lock" problem will add further visual appeal of your writing before it is distributed to the masses.

I've also seen you on the official Sony PlayStation 3 trailer. Despite the fact that the lines they've given you were rather lackluster (I will beat you because... I DON'T KNOW?) you worked very well with those. I'd like to see your words and acting more. If you are interested in becoming Sony's official mascot, please send me a private message. Please make sure to include "SolidSnake:RememberHiroshimaLOL" in the subject line.

[lionheart4life]

nintendo is just trying to make money with that new gimmicky controller

No kidding. I think any company that launches a console ultimately hopes to make money. The 360 is probably the system that I wanted the least, but seems to be delivering the most of what I wanted out of this next gen.

PS3 shouldn't even bother with a half-assed motion sensor controller. They should have just kept the vibration function, or created a new way to keep that feature that didn't violate copyrights. It was actually useful in a lot of games.

The Wii-mote isn't as exciting as a lot of people are making it out to be. All those games that are out now with plug-and-play sport controllers are really stupid. There's no reason to believe that making a throwing motion with that little stick is going to simulate tossing a football, or that swinging like a baseball bat or sword will be any fun. If they make some kind of tennis game using it it will basically be combining the Virtual Boy with a cheesy tennis controller, complete crap. Luckily Nintendo was smart enough to make sure that a traditional controller can be used with the system. I don't know, the idea just sounds stupid to me but I can't completely bury it until I try it.

I think the 360 is going the right way with this, just making a traditional system that expands and improves on their previous one.

[Apossum]

With everything we know now from Phil Harrison lies to missing components and empty promises does anyone think SONY will end up in a good position? I STILL cant understand why everyone who wants a PS3 is happy about a Blu-Ray player being included...I mean its a combo electronic device (BIG NO-NO) if your PS3 breaks then your movie player is broken too...who the hell buys combo devices? Old people do.....thats about it


if they have as good of software support as they did with the PS2, then yeah I'll buy it.

why do you worry so much about consoles? you argue about them like people argue about politics and sports teams. go get some fresh air. it's really not important. if you like your 360, then the purchase is justified, no?

[solid snake]

All the details regarding Sony's online solution have not been disclosed yet. You cant accurately say its better yet.

Everyone has backwards compatibility. The Wii plays Gamecube games as well as the back catalogue all the way back to the NES as well as Genesis and TurboGrafx games.

The 360 of course plays a lot & an ever increasing number of xbox games.

I expect the PS1/2 compatibility to be better than the 360 situation, but not perfect. The PS2 already doesnt play a couple PS1 games.

Gimmicky is just an opinion. The Japanese dont seem to think the DS is very gimmicky.

Normally I'd just let RF or Strell handle you, but I'm bored.
well the last thing i had heard is that the Xbox 360 melts and cathes fire,and it wont play alot of its previous games.btw this info is all from the owner of a game store i talk to, and my friend that just bought a 360 said i would be better off just waiting on the ps3. he said the 360 gets hot enough to cook a egg on allso so this is another reason i am gonna stay with sony but i am a little disapointed about there show at e3 it was basicallya yawn fest other than the mgs4 trailer,and them showing what the online network community will be like.

[CappyCobra]

well the last thing i had heard is that the Xbox 360 melts and cathes fire,and it wont play alot of its previous games.btw this info is all from the owner of a game store i talk to, and my friend that just bought a 360 said i would be better off just waiting on the ps3. he said the 360 gets hot enough to cook a egg on allso so this is another reason i am gonna stay with sony but i am a little disapointed about there show at e3 it was basicallya yawn fest other than the mgs4 trailer,and them showing what the online network community will be like.

In 2nd grade, I heard that if you touch a girl, you'll get coodies! :roll:

You want to talk about hardware track records? Who had the most revisions? (You have 5 seconds)
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Give up?
It was Sony! The had TWELVE hardware revisions! Xbox had THREE.

[omegaweapon7]

look im a rpg fan, especially jrpgs, so guess what, i dont have a choice but buy a ps3, I mean N64 and cube had what, 5 rpgs total? and xbox just plain sucks when i already have a good PC.

[solid snake]

In 2nd grade, I heard that if you touch a girl, you'll get coodies! :roll:

You want to talk about hardware track records? Who had the most revisions? (You have 5 seconds)
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Give up?
It was Sony! The had TWELVE hardware revisions! Xbox had THREE.
well i am just glad THEY didnt have twelve and THE had 12 instead.

[Genocidal]

well the last thing i had heard is that the Xbox 360 melts and cathes fire,and it wont play alot of its previous games.btw this info is all from the owner of a game store i talk to, and my friend that just bought a 360 said i would be better off just waiting on the ps3. he said the 360 gets hot enough to cook a egg on allso so this is another reason i am gonna stay with sony but i am a little disapointed about there show at e3 it was basicallya yawn fest other than the mgs4 trailer,and them showing what the online network community will be like.

Good thing the 360 doesn't CATCH on fire and it CATHES on fire instead. We could've had a real safety hazard otherwise.

[CappyCobra]

well i am just glad THEY didnt have twelve and THE had 12 instead. Now you're resorting to being a grammar nazi. I can play that too. (this is within your last 3 posts)
well the last thing i had heard is that the Xbox 360 melts and cathes fire,and it wont play alot of its previous games.btw this info is all from the owner of a game store i talk to, and my friend that just bought a 360 said i would be better off just waiting on the ps3. he said the 360 gets hot enough to cook a egg on allso so this is another reason i am gonna stay with sony but i am a little disapointed about there show at e3 it was basicallya yawn fest other than the mgs4 trailer,and them showing what the online network community will be like. I'm sorry, did the TRUTH break your concentration? Stick to what you know son. Oh weight... err waight umm wait, yeah that's it :dunce:

[solid snake]

Now you're resorting to being a grammar nazi. I can play that too. (this is within your last 3 posts)
I'm sorry, did the TRUTH break your concentration? Stick to what you know son. Oh weight... err waight umm wait, yeah that's it :dunce:
man i am getting attacked andi did that to you because everyone else is doing it to me but i give up,you guys are all to immature to even have a conversation with.

[CappyCobra]

man i am getting attacked andi did that to you because everyone else is doing it to me but i give up,you guys are all to immature to even have a conversation with.
Just because everyone else is doing it, doesn't make it right. If your friends jumped off a bridge... :lol:

Seriously though, if you want to have a DEBATE, leave the name calling at home and bring just the facts. Leave the BS at home.

[solid snake]

Just because everyone else is doing it, doesn't make it right. If your friends jumped off a bridge... :lol:

Seriously though, if you want to have a DEBATE, leave the name calling at home and bring just the facts. Leave the BS at home.
name calling?
sir,what is all this of name calling?
I said you are all being immature , thats not a name.

[CappyCobra]

name calling?
sir,what is all this of name calling?
I said you are all being immature , thats not a name.
You're labeling us as immature. Sounds like namecalling to me

[Daddy]

All I can say is i forgot to add the fact about SONY not letting anyone rent at any PS3 games at any stores IE Blockbuster ect......add that to the list of BS that SONY is pulling

EDIT: I should say not rent my bad...either way i dont need to add it to the list of BS from SONY they already shoot themselves up enough

[Metal Boss]

All I can say is i forgot to add the fact about SONY not letting anyone sell used copies of there games or having the games for rent at any stores...add that to the list of BS that SONY is pulling


Not confirmed, what did you just read the thread above this one and add it to your lil special list of pointers?


C'mon, think about the BS you're typing before you post about the BS that isn't confirmed :bouncy:

[Walt Jay]

For me, the "real" system and one game is going to be over $700 after tax. That's just insane. I understand that there's probably $1000 worth of technology in there, but I'm buying a game system for games. I have no need for a BluRay player when DVDs look great on my TV.

I love games and have been playing them for over two decades, but I have to draw the line somewhere. I may pick one up down the line, but count me out for now. My 360, which I had second thoughts about even at $400, will be good enough. Sorry Sony!

[FriskyTanuki]

All I can say is i forgot to add the fact about SONY not letting anyone sell used copies of there games or having the games for rent at any stores...add that to the list of BS that SONY is pulling
What list? :-s

[Genocidal]

The list that he's come up with in his mind that obviously everyone should know, because clearly everyone rides Microsoft's nuts as hard as he does.

I don't really like Sony, but I also don't like people who spout uninformed bullshit.

[A Happy Panda]

The list doesn't exist. It's a rumor that is unconfirmed.

solid snake make me laugh. Reminds me of the days when I was 13 and used to act like I knew what I was talking about on online forums, gosh, I miss those ignorant days.

You should also include a poll that has the option "I'm still on the fence, but if time comes, and the games and features are right, I'll bite"

[solid snake]

solid snake make me laugh. Reminds me of the days when I was 13 and used to act like I knew what I was talking about on online forums, gosh, I miss those ignorant days.
"
sounds like you still are and there is absolutly no need to attack me,you guys are like pitbulls you take pleasure in tearing a innocent person apart .

[solid snake]

All I can say is i forgot to add the fact about SONY not letting anyone sell used copies of there games or having the games for rent at any stores...add that to the list of BS that SONY is pulling


WTF!!!!:bomb:
and where and when did sony say this?

[A Happy Panda]

Kid, you must be retarded....several people on have already said that it's a goddamn rumor.

[Daddy]

Kid, you must be retarded....several people on have already said that it's a goddamn rumor.


Yeah i re-edited my post it should say for rent....they said they will not be allowing the games for rent....wether or not its 100% true we shall see...again alot of the stuff people were speculating about bad PS3 stuff came true...they dropped parts and features, copied ALL their competition, priced the system at 600 bucks (way out of line), didnt show their Killzone lies from last year in the form of ACTUAL GAMEPLAY... either way I can keep going...that boat is sinking...and as far as an option for "on the fence" its called wait 1-3 years try reading.....and again the numbers speak for themselves in this poll....most people are waiting...the ones who arent are either saying screw SONY or selling the system to dumbasses on EBAY for a profit

[jer7583]

It makes me a sad panda to see 51 so-called Cheap Ass Gamers lining up for a $600 console. You should be ashamed.

[solid snake]

It makes me a sad panda to see 51 so-called Cheap Ass Gamers lining up for a $600 console. You should be ashamed.
it makes me sad that you will be missing out on it since you hate it so much.

[Metal Boss]

it makes me sad that you will be missing out on it since you hate it so much.


While I think your posts have been mostly idiotic, you make a good point.

out of all the consoles I have ever owned my PS2 has recieved most of my game time... Quite simply put, these mistakes are worth negating because of the content that the system will produce.

[guinaevere]

The DRM (Digital Rights Management) news goes back to 2nd and 3rd quarter of 2005 (probably earlier), but the latest article I've seen stated that the PS3 will be utilizing this encryption is from Game Informer (yes, I'm embarrased to admit I occasionally read this rag) a couple months back.

If you don't know what DRM does, it encodes software to hardware.

Meaning, I rent a copy of Generic RPG mach 1, and I play it on my PS3. I like it. So after returning it to the shop, I decide to buy a copy at the store of my choice. I go to play my copy of Generic RPG mach 1, and guess what? It won't play. Because it's a different copy of the game than I originally played on my machine.


Further info on DRM can be found here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management). Not wholly accurate, but close enough for a short synopsis.

[The Mana Knight]

Yes, I will always support Sony. I won't buy a PS3 at launch, but I'm not buying a Wii either at launch, and I probably won't get an X360 for a while. The reason I will support Sony is that they've always been very good to me, as a member of the GAP and Playstation Underground since the beginning. PS1/PS2 are the two best consoles I've ever owned and the PSP is becoming my favorite handheld ever (the only handheld I actually play a lot). Also, I own lots of other Sony products, like a Sony PC (Best PC I ever owned), so there's no way I'm ditching Sony. I plan to support them as long as they're around.

Plus
Japanese products > american products.

[solid snake]

Yes, I will always support Sony. I won't buy a PS3 at launch, but I'm not buying a Wii either at launch, and I probably won't get an X360 for a while. The reason I will support Sony is that they've always been very good to me, as a member of the GAP and Playstation Underground since the beginning. PS1/PS2 are the two best consoles I've ever owned and the PSP is becoming my favorite handheld ever (the only handheld I actually play a lot). Also, I own lots of other Sony products, like a Sony PC (Best PC I ever owned), so there's no way I'm ditching Sony. I plan to support them as long as they're around.

Plus
Japanese products > american products.
hey I am on the gap as well, and i totally agree with you.

[apokalipze2]

Yes, I will always support Sony. I won't buy a PS3 at launch, but I'm not buying a Wii either at launch, and I probably won't get an X360 for a while. The reason I will support Sony is that they've always been very good to me, as a member of the GAP and Playstation Underground since the beginning. PS1/PS2 are the two best consoles I've ever owned and the PSP is becoming my favorite handheld ever (the only handheld I actually play a lot). Also, I own lots of other Sony products, like a Sony PC (Best PC I ever owned), so there's no way I'm ditching Sony. I plan to support them as long as they're around.

Plus
Japanese products > american products.
How does that japanese cock taste in your mouth

[graf1k]

Japanese products > american products.
Too bad their both manufactured in fucking Taiwan.

[solid snake]

How does that japanese cock taste in your mouth
people cant even express there opinions on this board with out getting attacked by sony haters.
he never said anything to get attacked, he stated an opinion so take your boyfriends cock out of your mouth and stop thinking about cock so much.

[apokalipze2]

It's still cockriding puss. It needs to be pointed out8-)

[exRounder]

MGS4 is the clincher. I'll wait till that comes out and hopefully, there'll be enough by then because no matter what, there's gonna be a shortage again.

[Grave_Addiction]

Has anyone wondered what will happen to the PS3 if Blu-Ray fails to become the standard? What will Sony do with the PS3?

[A Happy Panda]

Make games for it? UMD movies are failing miserably but Sony doesn't seem to care.

[jer7583]

I love the kids who have this irrational love for all things japanese.. Like sony is superior somehow because they're sony. They're a greedy fucking corporation, just like everything else. Get a life.

And I don't think I'm missing out on anything by not buying a $600 PS3, because I'll buy it when it is under $200, preferably used, and snatch up all the good games that were made for it on the cheap as well. Until then, the previous gen, Wii, and 360 are far more than enough gaming.

I still don't understand how anyone could enjoy the PSP. Loading times on a handheld.. I'm at a loss to describe how dissapointing and retarded that is.

[jer7583]

people cant even express there opinions on this board with out getting attacked by sony haters.
he never said anything to get attacked, he stated an opinion so take your boyfriends cock out of your mouth and stop thinking about cock so much.

Kid, go back to gamefaqs, seriously. Sony haters is an entirely different thing than haters of a $600 console with a notorious track record of lies, unreliable hardware, and watered down versions of what other consoles innovated in.

I love my PSOne and PS2. I have hundreds of PSOne games and a PSOne with LCD sitting on my desk next to my laptop that I use all the time. But I don't suck Sony's dick when they shove it in my face with lies and a $600 price tag. Grow up.

[solid snake]

Kid, go back to gamefaqs, seriously. Sony haters is an entirely different thing than haters of a $600 console with a notorious track record of lies, unreliable hardware, and watered down versions of what other consoles innovated in.

I love my PSOne and PS2. I have hundreds of PSOne games and a PSOne with LCD sitting on my desk next to my laptop that I use all the time. But I don't suck Sony's dick when they shove it in my face with lies and a $600 price tag. Grow up.
hm sounds like your the one that needs to grow up,and stop thinking about Dicks all the time.

[terribledeli]

Hm, sounds like you're the one that needs to grow up and stop thinking about dicks all the time.

Better.

But Jer has a point. Anyone who wasn't angry/disappointed when Sony unveiled their price point is lying to themselves. Its $600 for something many of us consider a casual purchase product.

[solid snake]

Better.

But Jer has a point. Anyone who wasn't angry/disappointed when Sony unveiled their price point is lying to themselves. Its $600 for something many of us consider a casual purchase product.
I actually expected to be about $500 to $600 just because of all the cool stuff,
and i really think its going to be worth it,i mean it should surpass the wii,and maybe even the 360 in terms of games and graphics,PS has alot of games people like. Plus it has been around longer than Microsoft on the console gaming scene so really sony knows more about what its gamers like and dont like.
The price dosent bother me much as long as it has games like mgs,killzone,and gran turismo ill stick with my ps3.

[Greetard]

I actually expected to be about $500 to $600 just because of all the cool stuff,
and i really think its going to be worth it,i mean it should surpass the wii,and maybe even the 360 in terms of games and graphics,PS has alot of games people like. Plus it has been around longer than Microsoft on the console gaming scene so really sony knows more about what its gamers like and dont like.The price dosent bother me much as long as it has games like mgs,killzone,and gran turismo ill stick with my ps3.

Gamers know what gamers want much better than Sony, and most of us want a cheaper console.

[solid snake]

Gamers know what gamers want much better than Sony, and most of us want a cheaper console.
will the reason i say that is because i am part of there gamer advisory pannel and they seem to listen well to our ideas and suggestions,but i am not saying i would mind if it was cheaper but i mean its a decent price for something with all that stuff in it.

[FriskyTanuki]

Gamers know what gamers want much better than Sony, and most of us want a cheaper console.
Say hello to the PS2. ;)

[apokalipze2]

will the reason i say that is because i am part of there gamer advisory pannel and they seem to listen well to our ideas and suggestions,but i am not saying i would mind if it was cheaper but i mean its a decent price for something with all that stuff in it.How the fuck do they listen to your ideas:lol: By doing random surveys:roll: all of them having nothing to do with the ps3. stfu and stop trying to soud elite with that gap shit, it means nothing

[solid snake]

How the fuck do they listen to your ideas:lol: By doing random surveys:roll: all of them having nothing to do with the ps3. stfu and stop trying to soud elite with that gap shit, it means nothing
mmm no i do more than the surveys you speak of,I have tested games and other random things for them and they seem to listen and to have taken some suggestions seriously.

[Metal Boss]

I didn't think solidsnake came off as "ELITE", he is right, GAP is a pretty neat little tool in my opinion, they get you alot more involved than just using surveys, you comment on the games content, bugs, and just generally things that can be improved. It was used heavily with the socom seires , ratchet and clank series, jak games...etc,


I think its great that they are getting gamers opinions to improve their games...

[solid snake]

I didn't think solidsnake came off as "ELITE", he is right, GAP is a pretty neat little tool in my opinion, they get you alot more involved than just using surveys, you comment on the games content, bugs, and just generally things that can be improved. It was used heavily with the socom seires , ratchet and clank series, jak games...etc,


I think its great that they are getting gamers opinions to improve their games...
at least you can understand me.

[Daddy]

I love the kids who have this irrational love for all things japanese.. Like sony is superior somehow because they're sony. They're a greedy fucking corporation, just like everything else. Get a life.

And I don't think I'm missing out on anything by not buying a $600 PS3, because I'll buy it when it is under $200, preferably used, and snatch up all the good games that were made for it on the cheap as well. Until then, the previous gen, Wii, and 360 are far more than enough gaming.

I still don't understand how anyone could enjoy the PSP. Loading times on a handheld.. I'm at a loss to describe how dissapointing and retarded that is.


Hahah, that reminds me of the pokemon South Park Episode....Ohh American are so superior...have such ginormous penis...not like us asians with such small penis...babahbaha

[PrivatePixel]

Gamers know what gamers want much better than Sony, and most of us want a cheaper console.

Who doesn't want a more affordable console? :roll: Those of us who would like a PS3 at launch need to, or have already accepted the reality that the price of being an early adopter is high. How else are the three companies involved with the R&D of the Cell (with over a billion dollars invested) and the members in the Blu-ray consortium (with the R&D of the Blu-ray format) going to recuperate their investments? It would have been easy for Sony to toss in a 12x DVD-ROM drive (like MS did with the 360), but they had loftier goals for the PS3. Whether or not they were overly ambitious in their foresight with the PS3 remains to be seen.

The 360 is a viable, less costlier alternative for those who believe that the PS3 is out of their reach. I will buy one myself when the games I want to play become available (sometime in 2007). As an avid movie viewer and longtime gamer, the PS3 offers me the best of both worlds, which is why I plan on picking one up at launch. Would I have preferred a full-fledged console that was $100-150 less than the $600 MSRP? Absolutely! Since perception and reality aren't one and the same, I have resigned myself to the acceptance of the $600 price point. It's a tough pill to swallow, even for someone who works full-time, but what can you do; c'est la vie.

[jer7583]

but what can you do; c'est la vie.

How about uhh.. not buy a PS3 at launch? Why is it anyone who makes the arguement that the price is there for a reason acts like they're powerless to wait for a price drop, or *gasp* try the competition? Patience is a virtue..

[Daddy]

How about uhh.. not buy a PS3 at launch? Why is it anyone who makes the arguement that the price is there for a reason acts like they're powerless to wait for a price drop, or *gasp* try the competition? Patience is a virtue..


I think its even funnier privatepixel says the price is fine but wont buy one till "sometime" in 2007 when there are games for it...lol

[PrivatePixel]

I think its even funnier privatepixel says the price is fine but wont buy one till "sometime" in 2007 when there are games for it...lol

Comprehension > you. :roll:

I have every intention of buying a PS3 at launch; it's the 360 that I don't plan on buying till next year. I'm not going to shell out $400 for a proverbial paperweight; if the games I want to play aren't scheduled for release until next year, why spend the money now?

[Daddy]

Comprehension > you. :roll:

I have every intention of buying a PS3 at launch; it's the 360 that I don't plan on buying till next year. I'm not going to shell out $400 for a proverbial paperweight; if the games I want to play aren't scheduled for release until next year, why spend the money now?


Either way if you think 360 has no games by now and you say none till 2007.... then PS3 wont have games till 2008 by your calculations...bahbahbab

Still wrong > You :roll:


The only game that totally blows on 360 is....RIDGE RACER...go figure

[Metal Boss]

Yeah, and I'm playing all the good ones on my pc. ;)

[whoknows]

Yeah, and I'm playing all the good ones on my pc. ;)
Zing!

[DarkNessBear]

Everyone that uses the excuse, "I will not purchase a 600 console!" Is full of bull-shaq'fu crap... Only reason to use that excuse is if you are just doing a quick "bash" of the PS3.

1. Purchase the $499 dollar one. And if you want the $600 one because of the HDMI ports, then you must have a 60'' or a 1080p TV, and if thats true. You got money flying out of your anus...
2. You must definetally spent $500 dollars on the 360 at launch. If not, congratulations you got a useless console! (Not to say it isnt usless with games...)
3. If you did spend over $500 dollars at launch you probably bought extra controllers or games. (And those extra 3 controllers you purchased... yea PDZ sucks, and Oblivion doesnt have split screen, and GRAW's 4 player split screen is insufficient.) And if you did, wouldnt you rather subsitute those mediocore crap games for the ability to play Blu-Ray disks and an Internal Hardrive and free online? I sure would...

I for one am buying a PS3 on Launch.

[Genocidal]

For $600 with an XBox 360 you can get:
- Premium System
- Extra Controller
- 2 games
- Warranty

For $600 with a PS3 you can get:
- Premium System

Let's be honest here, with how 'reliable' Sony's systems have been at launch before, you're going to want a warranty (and if not, you're a fool). Tack on $50. Another controller? Another $50. How about games? You're definitely going to need some of those. At $50-60 a piece for games, you're looking at EASILY $700, and more realistically $800 to make the jump to the next-gen with Sony. All my quoted prices are pre-tax, of course. Better hope your state loves you, or you could be looking at upwards of $80 in tax, too.

It's good that you're willing to drop close to a grand for a system at launch. A lot of people aren't. I don't see that as a "bullshit" excuse at all.

[DarkNessBear]

For $600 with an XBox 360 you can get:
- Premium System
- Extra Controller
- 2 games
- Warranty

For $600 with a PS3 you can get:
- Premium System

Let's be honest here, with how 'reliable' Sony's systems have been at launch before, you're going to want a warranty (and if not, you're a fool). Tack on $50. Another controller? Another $50. How about games? You're definitely going to need some of those. At $50-60 a piece for games, you're looking at EASILY $700, and more realistically $800 to make the jump to the next-gen with Sony. All my quoted prices are pre-tax, of course. Better hope your state loves you, or you could be looking at upwards of $80 in tax, too.

It's good that you're willing to drop close to a grand for a system at launch. A lot of people aren't. I don't see that as a "bullshit" excuse at all.
Thanks for skipping over my post and only seeing the word, "Bullshit".

[Genocidal]

I read your whole post, and it came off as a bash of the 360, so I responded to the few parts that didn't strike me as flamebait.

[CappyCobra]

Everyone that uses the excuse, "I will not purchase a 600 console!" Is full of bull-shaq'fu crap... Only reason to use that excuse is if you are just doing a quick "bash" of the PS3. ...

Bullcrap. $600 is $600. Even $300 is too much. Some of us here have fucking bills to pay, mouths to feed. $199.99 is the magic price. By that time games will be aplenty and reasonably priced. WTF are you even on this site called CHEAPASSGAMER.COM? Correct me if I'm wrong, but most CAG's would be hardpressed to drop a $500-$600 nut for just a system

[DarkNessBear]

Bullcrap. $600 is $600. Even $300 is too much. Some of us here have fucking bills to pay, mouths to feed. $199.99 is the magic price. By that time games will be aplenty and reasonably priced. WTF are you even on this site called CHEAPASSGAMER.COM? Correct me if I'm wrong, but most CAG's would be hardpressed to drop a $500-$600 nut for just a system
Then why is there a PS3 section?

If noone is willing to drop the dough... then why even have this section?

Just to complain?

[Mid Boss]

Everyone that uses the excuse, "I will not purchase a 600 console!" Is full of bull-shaq'fu crap... Only reason to use that excuse is if you are just doing a quick "bash" of the PS3.

1. Purchase the $499 dollar one. And if you want the $600 one because of the HDMI ports, then you must have a 60'' or a 1080p TV, and if thats true. You got money flying out of your anus...

That's still a lot more to pay for the PS3 over the 360 and especially the Wii. I don't know about you, but, as a game system I don't see the PS3 doing THAT much more than the 360. And I certainly can't see justifying the AT LEAST $100 more for something that doesn't do all that much more than a cheaper, comparable product.

2. You must definetally spent $500 dollars on the 360 at launch. If not, congratulations you got a useless console! (Not to say it isnt usless with games...)

And to do the same with the PS3, assuming you settle for the cheaper $500 console, you'll still be paying $600 minimum for the PS3 and ONE game! With that amount you could just as easily get a premium 360, with an extra controller and 2-3 games. Or a Wii with an extra controller and 4-5 games.

3. If you did spend over $500 dollars at launch you probably bought extra controllers or games. (And those extra 3 controllers you purchased... yea PDZ sucks, and Oblivion doesnt have split screen, and GRAW's 4 player split screen is insufficient.) And if you did, wouldnt you rather subsitute those mediocore crap games for the ability to play Blu-Ray disks and an Internal Hardrive and free online? I sure would...

I for one am buying a PS3 on Launch.

Seems to me there are quite a few people out there who are very happy with those "crap games" on the 360.

And I really don't see Blu-Ray ias a great selling point. Blu-ray is not going to replace DVDs for anything except games on the PS3 and is only nice to have for movies if you have an HDTV, which most people still don't have and if they did they would have to get the $600 PS3 to properly use it.

[DarkNessBear]

That's still a lot more to pay for the PS3 over the 360 and especially the Wii. I don't know about you, but, as a game system I don't see the PS3 doing THAT much more than the 360. And I certainly can't see justifying the AT LEAST $100 more for something that doesn't do all that much more than a cheaper, comparable product.
Well then thats a matter of opinion. I find the PS3 a much more attractive deal then the 360. I purchased a 360, and I dont enjoy any of the games on it. And the Xbox, all that brought me was, Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive.

Cause I know, when I buy my PS3 the game quality will show until the very end. Not like Gamecube or Xbox that tired out of producing games. And PS2 is still pumping out amazing titles... Final Fantasy XII, God of War 2, Okami, Guitar Hero 2 anyone?

Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Shadow of Colousses, God of War, Silent Hill, Metal Gear Solid, Onimusha, Devil May Cry, Tenchu, Okami, Guitar Hero, Tekken, Jak, Ratchet, SSX, SOCOM, Gran Turismo, Zone of the Enders, Twisted Metal...

Are what keep me coming to Playstation products...


And to do the same with the PS3, assuming you settle for the cheaper $500 console, you'll still be paying $600 minimum for the PS3 and ONE game! With that amount you could just as easily get a premium 360, with an extra controller and 2-3 games. Or a Wii with an extra controller and 4-5 games.
Thats preference. I believe the PS3 is much more worth the price then the 360 is...

With the Wii, its always a Sub console for me. No matter what I am going to purchase it. And it isnt a console that I would own just by itself... (I dont have to explain that here...)


Seems to me there are quite a few people out there who are very happy with those "crap games" on the 360.
Well, you can add me to the list that wasnt satisified. I mean the most popular games on it could be purchased on your PC...


And I really don't see Blu-Ray ias a great selling point. Blu-ray is not going to replace DVDs for anything except games on the PS3 and is only nice to have for movies if you have an HDTV, which most people still don't have and if they did they would have to get the $600 PS3 to properly use it.

Blu-Ray is an amazing selling point. I can see developers switching to the PS3 soley for the amount of space available on the games disc. And it is a STANDARD, Microsoft doesnt understand that.
No game company will make HDVD games... becuase a majority of the audience wont have that addon...
Developers are going to need that amazing amount of space as the years go by.
And ALSO add on the Internal hardrive, which is standard for BOTH versions! That means developers will be taken advantage of that as well... Thats double the pleasure, which causes an eruption of supremacy over the 360.

Need I add on the free online play? You can subtract that from its cost as well... I dont like subscriptions...

Again, if someone is dishing out that serious dough on a TV that can support that, they wouldnt mind dishing out a little more for a game console.

[CappyCobra]

Then why is there a PS3 section?

If noone is willing to drop the dough... then why even have this section?

Just to complain? To quote myself:
...Correct me if I'm wrong, but MOST CAG's would be hardpressed to drop a $500-$600 nut for just a system Even if noone were to buy the system here, it would be unfair not to have a forum addressed for each current / Next-Gen console. Don't get me wrong, most here will get a PS3 after the inevitable price drops (myself included) so the need for the dedicate forum is warranted. I never said the PS3 won't sell. Just don't expect it to fly off the fucking shelf for $500. Just ask Saturn, 3DO, & Neo-Geo how well they sold.

[Kaijufan]

Nine pages and I still haven't commented on this.

I do plan on getting a PS3, even if it's just to play Kingdom Hearts 3. However, when I plan on getting a PS3 is very much up in the air. There's no way I'm going to pay $600 for a PS3 (and the hardcore gamer in me wont let me get anything less then the good version). For me, $400 is my upper limit for consoles, which means I may be waiting a few years for a PS3.

I don't mind waiting. It seems like the vast majority of third party games will be coming out for both the 360 and PS3 because it would be stupid for any developer to limit themselves to only one console when the difference, graphics wise, wont be that huge. Sure the PS3 may be more powerful on paper, but the difference will likely be as small as the difference between Gamecube and Xbox graphics. The best looking games for the 360 and PS3 will look almost identical, which is fine by me.

The only major disadvantage I see the 360 having in the future is the DVD Rom drive, but I can live with swapping disks like I did with the PS1. This may be a bit of a problem with a sandbox game like Oblivion or GTA, but I get the feeling that developers will get very good at compression, and with Oblivion only taking up half of a DVD, I don't think we have to worry about disk space for a few years.
Plus the fact that Sony is requiring Blu Ray disks for all games will no doubt drive up the price of all games to a minimum of $60, with $70+ for the high profile games. I'm happy to wait a few years until the price of Blu Ray disks go down.

[Daddy]

Need I add on the free online play? You can subtract that from its cost as well... I dont like subscriptions...

Oh I didnt know you knew SONY's online structure and services? I imagine that is a SHAM like all the other SONY lies...I bet they have the same as SILVEr like on LIVE....dont expect ANY free service to be good....you can use anything as an example there. Good that you are standing up for SONY but you are a minority here....

PS- The titles you mentioned as well are old and outdated....I personally dont wanna go past version 3 of almost any game...mario is still alive somehow though...lol. I look for NEW, INNOVATIVE, titles....I see MS has the money to suck up 1st and 3rd party titles GALORE....GTA was just the beginning and with SOLID SNAKE on Mario Party I bet you'll see some SNAKE action on 360 soon enough....money talks brotha. With games like F.E.A.R coming and id bet some shiny pennies on W.O.W following soon enough....the 360 is hurtin the competition....and LIVE anywhere and Vista integration is off the scale...here you can sign up for the 360 vista/media center testing:

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2006/0530-beabetatester.htm

[whoknows]

Oh I didnt know you knew SONY's online structure and services? I imagine that is a SHAM like all the other SONY lies...I bet they have the same as SILVEr like on LIVE....dont expect ANY free service to be good....you can use anything as an example there. Good that you are standing up for SONY but you are a minority here....

PS- The titles you mentioned as well are old and outdated....I personally dont wanna go past version 3 of almost any game...mario is still alive somehow though...lol. I look for NEW, INNOVATIVE, titles....I see MS has the money to suck up 1st and 3rd party titles GALORE....GTA was just the beginning and with SOLID SNAKE on Mario Party I bet you'll see some SNAKE action on 360 soon enough....money talks brotha. With games like F.E.A.R coming and id bet some shiny pennies on W.O.W following soon enough....the 360 is hurtin the competition....and LIVE anywhere and Vista integration is off the scale...here you can sign up for the 360 vista/media center testing:

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2006/0530-beabetatester.htm
FYI Sony is trying to make W.O.W. exclusive to the PS3, so good luck with that on your 360.

And I dont think you should hold your breath on MGS4 on the 360. Kojima himself said it takes too much time to port a game (aka the reason he didnt put MGS3 on the Xbox).

Just because Snake himself is on the GC doesnt mean they are going to go ahead and port the whole game to a DIFFERENT system.

[PrivatePixel]

Either way if you think 360 has no games by now and you say none till 2007.... then PS3 wont have games till 2008 by your calculations...bahbahbab

Still wrong > You :roll:

How am I wrong? You're trying to use an opinion as a fact (i.e. a logical fallacy), as the basis of your counterpoint. I'm well aware of what's in the pipeline for the 360 for the remainder of 2006 and nothing qualifies as a system seller for me. Not you, ME!

Also, I never said that there weren't any good games on the 360 (you were trying to put words into my mouth :shame: ); IMO, the 360 doesn't have that one application that would make me commit to a purchase at this point in time (and yes, I have taken Gears Of War and Huxley into consideration).

[Daddy]

FYI Sony is trying to make W.O.W. exclusive to the PS3, so good luck with that on your 360.

And I dont think you should hold your breath on MGS4 on the 360. Kojima himself said it takes too much time to port a game (aka the reason he didnt put MGS3 on the Xbox).

Just because Snake himself is on the GC doesnt mean they are going to go ahead and port the whole game to a DIFFERENT system.


SONY is TRYING....but I dont think they have what it takes to do it as far as WOW goes.....I didnt say MGS4 would be coming but i see Kojima makin 360 games real soon if things at MS keep goin the way they are.

[Daddy]

How am I wrong? You're trying to use an opinion as a fact (i.e. a logical fallacy), as the basis of your counterpoint. I'm well aware of what's in the pipeline for the 360 for the remainder of 2006 and nothing qualifies as a system seller for me. Not you, ME!

Also, I never said that there weren't any good games on the 360 (you were trying to put words into my mouth :shame: ); IMO, the 360 doesn't have that one application that would make me commit to a purchase at this point in time (and yes, I have taken Gears Of War and Huxley into consideration).

Hmmm so what games exactly are selling you on PS3? There are outstanding FPS (GRAW) Role Playing (oblivion) Action (Gears of War) Puzzle (Lumines 2 on LIVE) Horror (Alan Wake ) so what are you looking for exactly that would make you wait so long?

[Metal Boss]

Metal...GEAR!!

I'm waiting for the console exclusives (GRAW, COD2...etc are great on PC)
& quality games and content that I am familiar with on the PS2

[DarkNessBear]

Hmmm so what games exactly are selling you on PS3? There are outstanding FPS (GRAW) Role Playing (oblivion) Action (Gears of War) Puzzle (Lumines 2 on LIVE) Horror (Alan Wake ) so what are you looking for exactly that would make you wait so long?
Good job listing games that are Multiplatform...

Thats why I dont like 360 rarely any exclusives.

I have a PC for that....

[Daddy]

Good job listing games that are Multiplatform...

Thats why I dont like 360 rarely any exclusives.

I have a PC for that....


Well the way things are going the PC/console gap is becoming one space...like Alan Wake....Multiplatform for me is anything thats on PS3 or Wii...but considering neither of those systems are out I see 360 as the obvious choice for ME....PC gaming is too hard to do the maintenance for...upgrade this,DL that (doom 3 great example)...no thanks...im so tired of a PC game coming out and having to upgrade my system for it...i think thats the only main reason id rather go with a console...To me Pc gaming is way different then a console in many respects....I see MS closing this gap however...playing a FPS against a PC player is just not fair however. Again when comparing 360 to Wii or PS3 i just cant justify the games, prices or online structures....Wii may have something but it wont be "looking" next gen, wether its fun or not is a different story however. As far as PS3, between the pirces,lies and no rumble and you name it im just not going to hop on that ship anytime soon

PS- Darkness Bear think about how much money the PC you use costs with maintence,original price and upgrades. Can you even trade PC games in either anymore?

[Daddy]

No response huh

[solid snake]

PS- Darkness Bear think about how much money the PC you use costs with maintence,original price and upgrades. Can you even trade PC games in either anymore?


i know this question was not directed towards me,but i tried trading some in the other day and i was told i have to have the game box manual and cd case to trade it in and the box has to be in good condition and they only pay $5 per pc game.
and your right,pc's are really expensive.

[Daddy]

i know this question was not directed towards me,but i tried trading some in the other day and i was told i have to have the game box manual and cd case to trade it in and the box has to be in good condition and they only pay $5 per pc game.
and your right,pc's are really expensive.

I just feel soooo ripped off when it comes to PC gaming...trading in i thought was dead at $5 bucks that actually is dead and those upgrades can be a punch in the face (you get home all pumped to play a game only to realize you cant w/o spending some un godly amount of cash to up your system specs...total buzz kill) I just wanted to make it clear that multi-platform really doesnt include PC in this whole PS3/Wii/360 formula is justa different creature all together

[solid snake]

I just feel soooo ripped off when it comes to PC gaming...trading in i thought was dead at $5 bucks that actually is dead and those upgrades can be a punch in the face (you get home all pumped to play a game only to realize you cant w/o spending some un godly amount of cash to up your system specs...total buzz kill) I just wanted to make it clear that multi-platform really doesnt include PC in this whole PS3/Wii/360 formula is justa different creature all together

i wish all the systems would merge into one and becaome a super system.

[Metal Boss]

http://www.katesink.com/uploaded_images/captain_planet-746142.jpg

[Daddy]

i wish all the systems would merge into one and becaome a super system.

Who knows the way business is sooo competitive now a days maybe we will see SUPER ULTRA SYSTEM 467846946 out in 2020

It will be every system ever made with old ports and all

[Daddy]

Sony execs talk PS3, 360, and PC
Kutaragi says next-gen console is like a PC, Stringer jokes he has an "obsession" with Microsoft's next-gen console.
By Tor Thorsen, GameSpot

Posted Jun 7, 2006 6:56 pm PT

Last week, Sony Worldwide Studios president Phil Harrison caused a semi-furor by insinuating the PlayStation 3 could replace the PC in the home. While his comments were mainly directed at the console's entertainment and multimedia capabilities, Sony has long said that the PS3 will have some PC-like functions.

That line was repeated again today by Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi. Speaking with Japanese site PC Impress Watch, the executive defended the PS3's high $499/$599 price points by saying it was not just another console. "Unlike previous PlayStations, it is clearly a computer," he said according to a GameSpot translation.

Kutaragi went on to talk about the need to be able to expand the PS3's technical functions, just like one would with a PC. "Because the PS3 is a computer, we need to do more than just lower the costs, but the console must be able to evolve," he said. He said one of the first tasks at hand would be to introduce a hard-disk drive with higher capacity that the currently scheduled 20GB and 60GB models.

Kutaragi even raised the prospect that, further down the road, Sony might release a PS3 peripheral that could burn Blu-ray discs, the company's high-capacity successor to DVD. "We might want to add a BD drive, a writable drive," he said before quickly reversing himself. "Well, maybe not BD."

Kutaragi also said that, other than the PS3's current read-only Blu-ray drive, the main reason for the console's high cost was the built-in HDD. "For a game console, to add a hard drive puts pressure on cost," he said. "Unlike a semiconductor chip, HDD cannot help lower the cost of the product. ... As a game console, the price has to, over time, be reduced to the 100 dollar range, but that is hard to do with an HDD. ... That [is why] PS3 pricing is not conforming to conventional pricing for a game console."

Meanwhile, Kutaragi's boss, Sony CEO Sir Howard Stringer, had a few choice words to say about one of the PS3's rivals, the Xbox 360. Actually, it was more like one choice word. During an on-stage Q&A at last week's D: All Things Digital conference, which is organized by the Wall Street Journal, he was asked about the mixed critical reception of Sony Pictures' blockbuster film The Da Vinci Code. He misspoke when responding, saying "Xbox 3" instead of "X-Men 3," prompting laughter from the audience. The Welshman then joked, "There's an obsession!"

Stringer recovered quickly, talking up the PS3 in no uncertain terms. "It's got more bells and whistles than a 747," he boasted. "That Cell processor is extraordinarily powerful and you have nine hours of high definition on the Blu-ray disks alone. ... The reason it's expensive [is that] instead of concentrating on just the games player, which would have been done in the past, PlayStation 3 is designed to go somewhere else, where it's the center of the living room."

Center of the Living Room....WTF now they even copy peoples catch lines? Didnt Peter Moore/J Allard already use this line for 360...wow this is getting ridiculous

[PrivatePixel]

Hmmm so what games exactly are selling you on PS3? There are outstanding FPS (GRAW) Role Playing (oblivion) Action (Gears of War) Puzzle (Lumines 2 on LIVE) Horror (Alan Wake ) so what are you looking for exactly that would make you wait so long?

Seeing as the list of launch titles is anything but finalized at this time, I can't provide an answer right now. Thing is, even if the titles I want are pushed back for a 2007 release, I'm not going to be left wanting for two reasons: 1) as a home theatre guy and DVD collector, I'll be starting a Blu-ray movie library, and 2) with over 200 PS2 titles in my collection, more than 60% are still untouched; in the interim, I can do some catching up. I also have more than 70 Xbox titles that have yet to be played.

Although I have a few FPS titles on the current gen consoles, I still prefer to play FPS on the PC. I plan on building a Vista-ready PC sometime during the fall, so that I'll be ready for Unreal Tournament 2007. If UT2007 turns out to be a WinXP title, I'll just load XP into my new PC and wait for Vista's eventual release. RPGs such as Oblivion aren't system sellers for me (I do happen to own Morrowind, but only because I bought it for $5 new). Gears Of War looks like a prettier kill.switch to me; it looks great, but again, not a system seller for me.

What am I looking forward to on the PS3?

Assassin's Creed
Devil May Cry 4
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Vision Gran TurismoMost of the other titles on my wishlist are cross-platform (e.g. Brothers In Arms: Hell's Highway, Call Of Duty 3, Medal Of Honor: Airborne, Grand Theft Auto IV, etc.). With a decent PC, PS3, Wii and original Xbox, I have my gaming bases covered and can afford to postpone a 360 purchase.

[Daddy]

What am I looking forward to on the PS3?

Assassin's Creed



This one is cross platform as well...no UBISOFT game is not cross platform, well maybe GR: Jungle strike or storm or whatever it was but that was damn close to one. I can see about FPS on PC again thats what I said not fair to play a console FPS vs a PC player control is insane on PC in comparing. Dont know what will happen in the format war and again of you are a Home Theatre person like me I'm pretty surprised you want a combo electronic for your DVD player....just remember when it breaks your outta luck for games and movies plus your usage now doubles on that electronic b/c its for gaming and movies now. i would ather buy aanother projector than pay $700+ for just a system and a game....hell I could walk away with a nice optoma projector for a few hundred more (probably how much it would cost you once you walked away with a Ps3 and a few games and add-ons

PS-On a HUGE side note look for people like Kojima and others (think GTA4) to start selling cross platform with the exception of in house studios (MS was smart enough to eat up RARE,Peter Molyneux/LionHead Studios, and Bungie) for MANY MANY games to not be exclusive anymore...in fact the HD era is making it so costs for creating every part of games so expensive that many small studios will get bought,merged and consolidated in the coming months/years. With the gaming industry passing the movie industry youll see a change in everything...again money talks

[furyk]

I'm pretty much locked into buying a PS3 at this point. I technically have 100+ games that are compatible with the system (more if it is region free for games). I just don't see myself buying a 360 as I'm not going to re-buy a PS2 once my old one finally breaks. Still... Sony has a way of having the absolute shittiest hardware at launch. Unless Sony gives you a few free PS1 downloads at launch, I'll wait and enjoy playing with my Wii.

[Daddy]

I'm pretty much locked into buying a PS3 at this point. I technically have 100+ games that are compatible with the system (more if it is region free for games). I just don't see myself buying a 360 as I'm not going to re-buy a PS2 once my old one finally breaks. Still... Sony has a way of having the absolute shittiest hardware at launch. Unless Sony gives you a few free PS1 downloads at launch, I'll wait and enjoy playing with my Wii.


Hmm being a hardcore gamer for me means I have to be playing whats new and hot....I cant see trash talking on a game thats been out forever b/c thats just noobish unless im playing against a great opponent(then again the games I refer to are online ones b/c trying to set up a LAN thing just aint my style. I guess thats why the BC stuff really doesnt apply to me too much. Why play a game I already beat unless I can play it against someone else besides the computer AI? hey but sometimes an old throw back my peak my interest but then again I can run an emulator for those on a handheld *cough PSP cough*.... guess too each his own, but I cant justify BC as a reason to buy a system...an expensive system at that

[whoknows]

Hmm being a hardcore gamer for me means I have to be playing whats new and hot....I cant see trash talking on a game thats been out forever b/c thats just noobish unless im playing against a great opponent(then again the games I refer to are online ones b/c trying to set up a LAN thing just aint my style. I guess thats why the BC stuff really doesnt apply to me too much. Why play a game I already beat unless I can play it against someone else besides the computer AI? hey but sometimes an old throw back my peak my interest but then again I can run an emulator for those on a handheld *cough PSP cough*.... guess too each his own, but I cant justify BC as a reason to buy a system...an expensive system at that
BC is an excellent reason for buying a system. For you being a "hardcore gamer" needing to play whats new and hot, doesnt mean BC is useless. There will still be many great PS2 games coming out after the PS3 launches. I dont want to have to keep or rebuy a PS2 so I can play God Of War 2, when instead I can play it on my current next-gen system. The same goes for any other PS2 games that will be released. And BC doesnt mean that you are playing games you already played. If you have played every PS2/Xbox/GC game and have no need for BC then good for you, a lot of us haven't.

This one is cross platform as well...no UBISOFT game is not cross platform

Farcry? Drakengard 2? I think you are wrong in this case. Until Assassins Creed is announced to be on the 360, its not a cross platform game.

[Daddy]

BC is an excellent reason for buying a system. For you being a "hardcore gamer" needing to play whats new and hot, doesnt mean BC is useless. There will still be many great PS2 games coming out after the PS3 launches. I dont want to have to keep or rebuy a PS2 so I can play God Of War 2, when instead I can play it on my current next-gen system. The same goes for any other PS2 games that will be released. And BC doesnt mean that you are playing games you already played. If you have played every PS2/Xbox/GC game and have no need for BC then good for you, a lot of us haven't.



Farcry? Drakengard 2? I think you are wrong in this case. Until Assassins Creed is announced to be on the 360, its not a cross platform game.

True far cry wasnt multiplatform... but ps2 couldnt handle it...youll see I bet assasins creed shows up on 360. Yes to answer your question i've played pretty much every good title (pychonauts on xbox has eluded me but no other game has yet on any system)

As far as you rebuying games...when next gen stuff or systems come out *I'll assume you know this* the new system takes over and within 6 months you can go to any EB or gamestop and every game you want will be yellow stickered in a bin and like a unwanted used condomn for a bargain price until every title sells out. By then I'll imagine youll be on God Of war 3 and part 2 will be a washed up version. You can use any system from the past as an example....thats why BC is funny to me...its important until it becomes obsolete or something to do when no new titles are releasing for the new system IE= 360 or PS3 .....THATS when BC really comes into play.

Either way having old games isnt the factor to buy a new system its the games that are on the NEW system that matter (you can just keep your old system to play the old games...2 machines wouldnt hurt you unless the newer one has anti-aliasing)

[Daddy]

Ehh?

[omegaweapon7]

sony always had the worst hardware among competition, however this time the ps3 already won the tech race, and most likely the software race too with DMC4 and MGS4 and FF13 etc.

the ONLY thing going against the system is the price.

[Daddy]

sony always had the worst hardware among competition, however this time the ps3 already won the tech race, and most likely the software race too with DMC4 and MGS4 and FF13 etc.

the ONLY thing going against the system is the price.


LOL....you saying this based on a non exsistant system? Too funny, notice all your titles are version like 4-13 of already exsist games? I like original games more sorry.

[FriskyTanuki]

LOL....you saying this based on a non exsistant system? Too funny, notice all your titles are version like 4-13 of already exsist games? I like original games more sorry.
And I'm sure you don't like PGR3, PD0, Amped 3, FNR3, Burnout 4, GRAW (what's that 4? 5?), RR6, Quake 4, Elder Scrolls 4, DW5, BF2, TR7, FFXI, Hitman 4, and the most original of them all, Halo 3. Every system has sequels, so stop acting it's a bad thing, especially for the PS3.

[Ivanhoe]

And I'm sure you don't like PGR3, PD0, Amped 3, FNR3, Burnout 4, GRAW (what's that 4? 5?), RR6, Quake 4, Elder Scrolls 4, DW5, BF2, TR7, FFXI, Hitman 4, and the most original of them all, Halo 3. Every system has sequels, so stop acting it's a bad thing, especially for the PS3.


You cant expect much from fanboys of systems.And daddy is clearly a fanboy for 360.

[Tha Xecutioner]

Not this time around...not being a fanboy but there's nothing at all that I have seen that makes me consider paying 600 dollars. I already have a 360 and most likely a DS and Wii on the way, I've bought the other Sony systems before and was happy with the PS1 and the PS2 was pretty cool for a while, but for now they will have to take the bench in terms of the gaming community. Take out all this shit that no one cares about (Blu-ray) and lower the price and then they can compete, but the next gen is not looking promising here.

[Chacrana]

........DUH, thats because sony always releases their system way before their competition, and since computer technology advances so god fuckin fast, 1 or 2 years make a HUGE difference

He's referring to the reliability of Sony's consoles which is far from impeccable.

[Tha Xecutioner]

true that, xbox 360 sucks, ps3 sucks, GIVE ME SOMETHING FUN...can you say wii? also cant wait for super paper mario, why cant we get games anymore that are fun like back in the 16bit days, now all we get are fuckin retarded FPS and sports and racing

:shame: 360 is far from suckage, and I'm sure the PS3 won't suck either. There is just an absence of good reasons to buy the PS3 for that kind of money unless you are just straight up fanboy, you have more money than you know what to do with, or plan on selling 16 of them (aka losing 10K).

[io]

I can't justify getting an Xbox 360 or a PS3 at this point. Xbox 360 has exactly one game I'd want to play (Oblivion) with nothing much coming out soon that I'm interested in. I was planning on getting the Wii/PS3 combo as I have an HDTV and would like, finally, after 3 years to see some HD content on it. But then I look at games coming out for the PS3 and I find nothing there either, except FF 13 which isn't coming out any time soon. MGS, Gran Turismo, GTA, DMC, Halo, those kinds of thing don't interest me in the slightest.

I'll definitely be getting a Wii though. Plus I have 3 kids - couldn't NOT get the newest Mario, et al... I love the PS2 for all the RPG's, and as someone said above, there are alot of games coming out for PS2 this year and next - and a number of those are top notch RPG's. While I could get the PS3 and enjoy some Blu-Ray and a game or two, the lack of interesting titles (for me) means I probably ought to wait until the inevitable hardware problems are sorted out.

I have to admit, I was tempted to buy an Xbox 360 when I saw the bundles at Costco the other day (and by the way, I picked one up for the first time - what the hell, is the power supply a fucking gold brick??). I would love to play Oblivion on my HDTV with surround sound and all, but $500+ for one game is a bit steep :D.

What I might end up doing is waiting until about this time next year and getting a PS3 bundle at Costco for the 'warranty'. Or possibly if Xbox360 drops by then and if some RPG's come out I might consider that as an option.

Besides RPG's, the one game I'd buy an HD-capable system for is a next-gen Star Wars Battlefront, which I hear they are working on. Of course, that is likely to come out on both Xbox360 and PS3, and not before next year.

The Wii I'm getting on launch day though - plenty of games for the kids and games for me (Zelda and Metroid for example). That and my backlog of PS2 and GC games will keep me busy for a while :D.

[Daddy]

You cant expect much from fanboys of systems.And daddy is clearly a fanboy for 360.


Actually im not and there is NO SUCH THING as a fanboy if your a real gamer...you go where the games are plain and simple, this isnt sports people.

I have a PSP, and have owned every system but Neo geo...yes even a PS2. PS3 is just bunk at this point and for some time to come based on all the votes its clear to see that alone. It will be quite some time before most people pick up a PS3. All systems have continued franchises and tanuki you named alot of cross platform games there chief and id be the first to say no I dont like DW5,PDO, or amped by any means. If i had to give systems there props well 360 is a hefty FPS console if your into that (which I am) and its online structure and interface is at the forefront of gaming which you cant deny. PS2 has a nice ORIGINAL section of games that cant be ignored either like GOW and Guitar Hero ect... Game cubes RE4 was classic and the metroid games.

All i know is its pretty hard for me to pop in alot of the older games now that ive played GRAW or Oblivion...they just look horrible in comparison which to tell you the truth there was been an age old arguement about graphics or gameplay....theres alot of decent games out there when you give them the visual overhaul its pretty impressive....obviously if we took Kabuki Warrios and made it HD it would still suck, but alot of games just look like crap now to me. I threw GTA Vice City in last night man i felt like I went back 10 years when i looked at it on screen. My girlfriend is like why does the game look so bad...i laughed I was like its a BC game. Granted games like NINJA GAIDEN BLACK look nice with the upscaling and I dont mind, but some old crap is just dead to me.

Its time to move foward, 360 is in the lead right now (which at the same time can be a downfall....see dreamcast) but all the things it has as a gaming system is a pretty impressive package to ignore and the online is top notch...hell its hard to buy offline games at this point anymore. Wii could be my next addition but i need to see this thing in person in action before making that decision. There is one thing to note ALOT of games on 360 arent garbage (ok Perfect Dark and Ridge Racer are), but there will be lapses in games releases since the system is realitivley new, the whole DLC thing is really really nice and im glad to see new innovative things like LIVE and LIVE ARCADE and LIVE ANYWHERE (although getting text messgaes for clan matches might be the nerdiest thing ever....bhabhab)

[whoknows]

Its time to move foward, 360 is in the lead right now (which at the same time can be a downfall....see dreamcast)
Yeah, about that...PS2 is actually in the lead right now concerning consoles believe it or not. If you meant next-gen lead then whoopee...no other next-gen consoles are out yet :-P

[Metal Boss]

What this thread amounts to after 10 pages


http://www.dogdoo.com/images/Honey.jpg

[CosmosTheMouse]

Sony won't exactly suffer.
I'm a bit of a diehard PS2/Sony fan and i've come to the decision that I doubt i'll get a PS3. There's the obvious reasons.... lies about the system, the overblown price, etc etc. But there's 1 point a lot of people fail to see.

This year everyone was screaming "Console War!" over E3. In fact that wasn't much of an issue. PS3 and the 360 have literally become overblown to the point of basically being a personal computer gaming system, and not much of a "console for games". They want to do everything aside also playing games (music, movies, ass wiping). I usually get a kick in the balls when I say it, but the Wii was the only real "GAME console" shown.

It all comes down to the question... do you want a computer, or a games console. Because I already have a computer.

[jer7583]

Sony will suffer, and they'll deny it all through this generation. 360 has too much momentum, and Wii is too different for them to compete with. Especially when they're shooting themselves in the foot every chance they get.

Bottom line is, sony's going to be the minority console this generation. Might have some fine looking and good playing software, but 90% of it will be on 360 without so much graphical flair, and Wii with added motion features. Third Party exclusives will be very rare this gen. Mark my words.

[whoknows]

Sony will suffer, and they'll deny it all through this generation. 360 has too much momentum, and Wii is too different for them to compete with. Especially when they're shooting themselves in the foot every chance they get.

Bottom line is, sony's going to be the minority console this generation. Might have some fine looking and good playing software, but 90% of it will be on 360 without so much graphical flair, and Wii with added motion features. Third Party exclusives will be very rare this gen. Mark my words.
360 in no way has too much momentum, especially since the PS2, a 6 year old system is outselling it. I can't see how the PS3 will be the minority though, it already has the more exclusive games for it and it isn't even out yet. Plus people will be buying it because of 1. The Playstation Name 2. Blu Ray 3. Most Powerful Console (people that have to have the most powerful one) 4. The exclusive games on it.

I have a PC that I use for gaming so I have no need for a 360, but the PS3 will have more than PC game ports so I will want that.

3rd party exclusives be a minority? Yeah...I dont know where you are getting that from, but its not going to be true at all. Please explain your logic behind this if you can.

[Daddy]

360 in no way has too much momentum, especially since the PS2, a 6 year old system is outselling it. I can't see how the PS3 will be the minority though, it already has the more exclusive games for it and it isn't even out yet. Plus people will be buying it because of 1. The Playstation Name 2. Blu Ray 3. Most Powerful Console (people that have to have the most powerful one) 4. The exclusive games on it.

I have a PC that I use for gaming so I have no need for a 360, but the PS3 will have more than PC game ports so I will want that.

3rd party exclusives be a minority? Yeah...I dont know where you are getting that from, but its not going to be true at all. Please explain your logic behind this if you can.


Out selling it doubt that...if so its b/c people are too cheap to make the next step into next gen....as far as your #'s go 1-4 ....

#1=No one wants to pay that much just for name right out of the gate

#2= Who says that ill win and who the hell wants a combo electronic...so when my gaming machine breaks I have no blu-ray player or vice versa

#3- Most powerful in terms of? The blu-ray drive? What exactly 1080P that no one has or the fact that the native is not even true 1080p

#4 What exclusive titles? MSGS4, Tekken or what? Name more than 5 titles confirmed let alone completed?

So far we are talking about a paper machine and paper games not even finished.

3rd party exclusives...I can answer that. If you go back a few pages i actually did...short story is next gen production is at an insane high as far as cost to create a game due to larger staffs and budgets ect.... not many production houses can afford AAA titles let alone AA titles and risk a failure that could take them out of the "game" business. You see companies whoring it up to all platforms except your in house compaines SONY has a few and MS was smart enough to buy up a few as well like LIONHEAD studios and RARE.

PS- I am in no why bais about the systems and will have them all eventaully, looking at this logically the choice right now is 360 for next gen stuff and Wii for everything else....then pick up PS3 later down the road to pick up any missed games and non ports

[whoknows]

Out selling it doubt that...if so its b/c people are too cheap to make the next step into next gen....as far as your #'s go 1-4 ....

#1=No one wants to pay that much just for name right out of the gate

#2= Who says that ill win and who the hell wants a combo electronic...so when my gaming machine breaks I have no blu-ray player or vice versa

#3- Most powerful in terms of? The blu-ray drive? What exactly 1080P that no one has or the fact that the native is not even true 1080p

#4 What exclusive titles? MSGS4, Tekken or what? Name more than 5 titles confirmed let alone completed?

So far we are talking about a paper machine and paper games not even finished.

3rd party exclusives...I can answer that. If you go back a few pages i actually did...short story is next gen production is at an insane high as far as cost to create a game due to larger staffs and budgets ect.... not many production houses can afford AAA titles let alone AA titles and risk a failure that could take them out of the "game" business. You see companies whoring it up to all platforms except your in house compaines SONY has a few and MS was smart enough to buy up a few as well like LIONHEAD studios and RARE.

PS- I am in no why bais about the systems and will have them all eventaully, looking at this logically the choice right now is 360 for next gen stuff and Wii for everything else....then pick up PS3 later down the road to pick up any missed games and non ports
People either can't afford it or have no interest in 360 games...either or.

1. As far as you know. There will be people buying it for the fact that its the next Playstation.

2. PS3 games will be on blu-ray discs so it only makes sense it also plays blu-ray movies...360 is a combo electronic too :dunce:

3. The PS3 is a more powerful system than the 360 overall, just look at the specs.

4. Devil May Cry 4, Killzone 2, Final Fantasy XIII, Heavenly Sword, Mercenaries 2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Metal Gear Solid 4, Ratchet and Clank, Warhawk, Virtua Fighter 5...Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head right now.

[solid snake]

Out selling it doubt that...if so its b/c people are too cheap to make the next step into next gen....as far as your #'s go 1-4 ....

#1=No one wants to pay that much just for name right out of the gate

#2= Who says that ill win and who the hell wants a combo electronic...so when my gaming machine breaks I have no blu-ray player or vice versa

#3- Most powerful in terms of? The blu-ray drive? What exactly 1080P that no one has or the fact that the native is not even true 1080p

#4 What exclusive titles? MSGS4, Tekken or what? Name more than 5 titles confirmed let alone completed?

So far we are talking about a paper machine and paper games not even finished.

3rd party exclusives...I can answer that. If you go back a few pages i actually did...short story is next gen production is at an insane high as far as cost to create a game due to larger staffs and budgets ect.... not many production houses can afford AAA titles let alone AA titles and risk a failure that could take them out of the "game" business. You see companies whoring it up to all platforms except your in house compaines SONY has a few and MS was smart enough to buy up a few as well like LIONHEAD studios and RARE.

PS- I am in no why bais about the systems and will have them all eventaully, looking at this logically the choice right now is 360 for next gen stuff and Wii for everything else....then pick up PS3 later down the road to pick up any missed games and non ports

its the truth the ps2 is the best welling system right now

[Tha Xecutioner]

People either can't afford it or have no interest in 360 games...either or.

1. As far as you know. There will be people buying it for the fact that its the next Playstation.

2. PS3 games will be on blu-ray discs so it only makes sense it also plays blu-ray movies...360 is a combo electronic too :dunce:

3. The PS3 is a more powerful system than the 360 overall, just look at the specs.

4. Devil May Cry 4, Killzone 2, Final Fantasy XIII, Heavenly Sword, Mercenaries 2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Metal Gear Solid 4, Ratchet and Clank, Warhawk, Virtua Fighter 5...Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head right now.


1. But a lot of people laugh at the Sony name as well, Nintendo and Xbox fans for instance. Especially this generation and especially after E3 they are the joke of the business for now.

2. Who the hell cares about blu-ray? As far as a lot of reports have shown, there's barely any difference between that and HD-DVD so far.

3. Haha, yeah right...http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

The Xbox 360 CPU architecture has three times the general purpose processing power of the Cell.
The Xbox 360 GPU design is more flexible and it has more processing power than the PS3 GPU.
The memory system bandwidth in Xbox 360 exceeds the PS3's by five times.Xbox 360 games—by leveraging cutting-edge hardware, software, and services—will outperform the PlayStation 3.
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4. DMC is pretty fun, Killzone will be beat (again) by Halo (I don't like Halo, but there is no stopping it..ever), Final Fantasy (of course) is always a reason to get a Playstation, there's always a huge backing for that game, MGS4 is rumored to be coming to the 360 at some point*, lol @ Ratchet and Clank and Virtua Fighter.
*=if that happens, Sony sinks much further.


With that I still ask: why pay 600 dollars for a machine that IS less powerful than the 360, less innovate than the Wii, more expensive (by 100 dollars at least) than the 360 and at least $250 more than the Wii, and has had the worst presentation for a console this year (E3).

[CappyCobra]

More Downgrades in Sony's future?
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/more-ps3-downgrades-on-the-way-179863.php

If this has any merit, Sony is looking at an even steeper hill to climb.

[zewone]

Since when did the 360 become more powerful than the PS3?

News to me...good news.

[whoknows]

1. But a lot of people laugh at the Sony name as well, Nintendo and Xbox fans for instance. Especially this generation and especially after E3 they are the joke of the business for now.

[quote]2. Who the hell cares about blu-ray? As far as a lot of reports have shown, there's barely any difference between that and HD-DVD so far.

I dont see your point here...

3. Haha, yeah right...http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html
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4. DMC is pretty fun, Killzone will be beat (again) by Halo (I don't like Halo, but there is no stopping it..ever), Final Fantasy (of course) is always a reason to get a Playstation, there's always a huge backing for that game, MGS4 is rumored to be coming to the 360 at some point*, lol @ Ratchet and Clank and Virtua Fighter.
*=if that happens, Sony sinks much further.
Just because Killzone will be beat by Halo doesnt make it any worse of a game. Killzone has a pretty good following and a very very active online community (I have rarely encountered some asshole swearing and saying racial remarks while I'm playing, and when I did I reported it to the developers via playstation.com message boards), and with the developers constantly trying to figure out what would make online better, so if they do the same with Killzone 2 then I'll be very happy.

Dont count on MGS4 getting ported, Kojima has said he doesnt like porting.

Lol @ Ratchet and Clank and Virtua Fighter? Both are A rated series. Virtua Fighter arguably the best fighte (easily the deepest) and Ratched one of the best platformer/shooter games...

With that I still ask: why pay 600 dollars for a machine that IS less powerful than the 360, less innovate than the Wii, more expensive (by 100 dollars at least) than the 360 and at least $250 more than the Wii, and has had the worst presentation for a console this year (E3).

Why I would buy any system, the GAMES. I dont care how cheap or how powerful the 360 is, I have no interest in the games so I would be wasting my money buying it. I have a PC for any 360 game I would want. As for the Wii, I wont buy until I try. If Nintendo does what the did with the Gamecube then fuck them. Until I try the Wiimote for myself I'm going not to praise it for being...OMFG TEH INNOVATION!! I am very interested in the Wii (namely SSBB) but I cant say much about the Wiimote until I actually play with it myself.

[solid snake]

1. But a lot of people laugh at the Sony name as well, Nintendo and Xbox fans for instance. Especially this generation and especially after E3 they are the joke of the business for now.

2. Who the hell cares about blu-ray? As far as a lot of reports have shown, there's barely any difference between that and HD-DVD so far.

3. Haha, yeah right...http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html
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4. DMC is pretty fun, Killzone will be beat (again) by Halo (I don't like Halo, but there is no stopping it..ever), Final Fantasy (of course) is always a reason to get a Playstation, there's always a huge backing for that game, MGS4 is rumored to be coming to the 360 at some point*, lol @ Ratchet and Clank and Virtua Fighter.
*=if that happens, Sony sinks much further.


With that I still ask: why pay 600 dollars for a machine that IS less powerful than the 360, less innovate than the Wii, more expensive (by 100 dollars at least) than the 360 and at least $250 more than the Wii, and has had the worst presentation for a console this year (E3).

4. thats a stupid rumor that got started by abunch of xbox fanboys,Kojima said he is going to be looking at doing games for other systems after MGS4
and he is intreged by the wii.

[Tha Xecutioner]

I dont see your point here...
My point was to disprove your statement (as well as the popular opinion) that the PS3 is the most powerful system.




Just because Killzone will be beat by Halo doesnt make it any worse of a game. Killzone has a pretty good following and a very very active online community (I have rarely encountered some asshole swearing and saying racial remarks while I'm playing, and when I did I reported it to the developers via playstation.com message boards), and with the developers constantly trying to figure out what would make online better, so if they do the same with Killzone 2 then I'll be very happy.

Dont count on MGS4 getting ported, Kojima has said he doesnt like porting.

Lol @ Ratchet and Clank and Virtua Fighter? Both are A rated series. Virtua Fighter arguably the best fighte (easily the deepest) and Ratched one of the best platformer/shooter games...



Why I would buy any system, the GAMES. I dont care how cheap or how powerful the 360 is, I have no interest in the games so I would be wasting my money buying it. I have a PC for any 360 game I would want. As for the Wii, I wont buy until I try. If Nintendo does what the did with the Gamecube then fuck them. Until I try the Wiimote for myself I'm going not to praise it for being...OMFG TEH INNOVATION!! I am very interested in the Wii (namely SSBB) but I cant say much about the Wiimote until I actually play with it myself.
So you're fine with paying at least $660 dollars + tax JUST to play MGS4 or Killzone 2 or the next Ratchet and Clank or Virtua Fighter? Ok, well this is no comparison to 360 or Wii thread, and I'm certainly not going to try and sell the systems to anyone or anything like that. But my original post in here still stands, I can't support Sony this gen because:
1. Price is outrageous.
2. Too much junk in the system that I don't want/need (mainly the blu-ray).
3. Reliability of Sony is dropping. They started off with the idea that they would be the most powerful system and the leader in the video game world. They are already being outpowered and very outpriced, and now there's more rumors as to even more downgrades from the system in the near future.
4. Better games are elsewhere. I've played Killzone and the MGSs and I've also played the Splinter Cells and the Halos and other better titles (better in my opinion and better rated) on different systems.
5. Lack of creativity. Everything they are doing with the system has already been done.

[whoknows]

My point was to disprove your statement (as well as the popular opinion) that the PS3 is the most powerful system.

I was referring to this:
2. Who the hell cares about blu-ray? As far as a lot of reports have shown, there's barely any difference between that and HD-DVD so far.

So you're fine with paying at least $660 dollars + tax JUST to play MGS4 or Killzone 2 or the next Ratchet and Clank or Virtua Fighter? Ok, well this is no comparison to 360 or Wii thread, and I'm certainly not going to try and sell the systems to anyone or anything like that. But my original post in here still stands, I can't support Sony this gen because:
1. Price is outrageous.
2. Too much junk in the system that I don't want/need (mainly the blu-ray).
3. Reliability of Sony is dropping. They started off with the idea that they would be the most powerful system and the leader in the video game world. They are already being outpowered and very outpriced, and now there's more rumors as to even more downgrades from the system in the near future.
4. Better games are elsewhere. I've played Killzone and the MGSs and I've also played the Splinter Cells and the Halos and other better titles (better in my opinion and better rated) on different systems.
5. Lack of creativity. Everything they are doing with the system has already been done.
1. Price doesnt matter to me because the PS3 will be my only next gen console for a very, very long time. Not only that it will be backwards compatible with all my PS1/PS2 games which is a big, big plus with me.
2. Too much junk, I agree, which is why I will be getting the $500 version. I dont have an HDTV and dont plan to get one so the HDMI port means nothing to me.
3. Sony said the price isn't set in stone, so maybe more downgrades= cheaper price? We can hope.
4. It has the most games that interest me, better games are elsewhere in your opinion, but the games I like are all going to be on the PS3, and any 360 game I want I will be able to get for the PS3/PC so I have no reason to get a 360, and somehow I see the Wii going the way of the Cube, and until its proven otherwise, I'll wait (or until SSBB comes out).
5. I could care less about "Creativity" the thing I care about is that the system plays games, and games I like for that matter. I dont care about the motion sensing controller (this goes for the Wii too unless it turns out to be amazing), I dont care about high definition, I dont care about blu-ray or HD-DVD, I just want to play games, with a normal controller on my normal chair in front of my normal TV.

[Daddy]

People either can't afford it or have no interest in 360 games...either or.

1. As far as you know. There will be people buying it for the fact that its the next Playstation.

2. PS3 games will be on blu-ray discs so it only makes sense it also plays blu-ray movies...360 is a combo electronic too :dunce:

3. The PS3 is a more powerful system than the 360 overall, just look at the specs.

4. Devil May Cry 4, Killzone 2, Final Fantasy XIII, Heavenly Sword, Mercenaries 2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Metal Gear Solid 4, Ratchet and Clank, Warhawk, Virtua Fighter 5...Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head right now.


1. those are the retards who pay double on ebay.

2.Ehhhhh...wrong, its both your Blu-ray player and your gaming system again if it breaks you cant watch BLU_RAY MOVIES.....360 has a stand alone player....if the player breaks i can still play games plus the system itself isnt running the moive the stand alone player is...in the opposite case how ever if the 360 breaks then ya both are toasty.

3. Ha your telling me about teraflops? Even one is way enough if not what part of the specs are you referring too? Do you even understand them? At no point in the past have specs like these even mattered in regaurds to a console and i doubt even 20% of PS fans can even understand them....all you see is bigger numbers here or there....gimmie a break

4. Killzone was the most pathetic game ever,then again if you wanted FPS you only had that and Socom... the fact that you mention Killzone 2 would make anyone laugh...so you wanna refer to a game from E3 2005 that was pure FMV/cut scenes instead of REAL IN GAME FOOTAGE, that also Disappeared at E3 2006 b/c they knew that shit would NEVER stand up to what they played the year before?

Warhawk...oh the one from E3 where the duschebag testing the game actually moves his body like its nessesary to make the plane move? That guy was the stupidest looking guy ever trying to do some PR to make the game more entertaining...you move the controller not your body...he tried to make it a bit more entertaining then it was...you know like someone playing a game on there couch (FPS) and they lean over to try to see further around a corner..babahbabh

Virtua Fighter 5? Are you living in asia? I mean that is a huge arcade game in asia...here in the US we dont have arcades anymore except at the boardwalk...hope you dont plan on playing online (if SONY even has a real online structure that ends up working) b/c the people overseas will romper stomp you...not to mention who the heck cares about virtua fighter, how old and uninventive is that series nowadays

Rachet and clank? Comon your joking right? Well if you have kids you can slide on this one otherwise i guess this is the SONY version of Mario?

DMC4- Ok I can rationalize this one... ONLY if I had a PS2 and never an XBOX...NINJA GAIDEN BLACK is where its at but if I didnt have an XBOX I would be on DMC, but they are very very similar except there are so many more moves/combos in NINJA GAIDEN and modes that this isnt even a close battle and the story is better in NGB ...IMO...again I like both games but they are similar in many ways.


MGS4- Ill give you this one, and I really hope its good....the story is the biggest part of this franchise...I remember loving it till Splinter Cell really did become the MG killer that year, granted the gameplay is better in SC but MGS story is untouchable

FF13- Well after FF7 I fell asleep, you can keep this one but it will sell like hotcakes and you are correct sir

Mercs 2---We shall see

Heavenly sword- Gotta see more than what ive seen so far


In short there are my answers, but again you named all paper games that i highly doubt will be out for launch in 5 months

PS- Here you can use the new PS3 secret viewing window:

http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/06/scarfdork.jpg

[b3b0p]

The PS3 is a bargain in this current market, at least in my opinion. For $600, I get a Blu-ray player and a new Playstation. HD media is long overdue (TV shouldn't be the only reason for an HD set, current DVDs are a waste for current HDTVs). Incorporating a Playstation inside a blu-ray player is just bonus to me. I get my Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, and HD movies all in one device until decent blu-ray players are actually affordable (under $300 in my opinion).

I'm pretty sure a crummy blu-ray player (assuming the PS3 blows at movie playing) at 1080p will still look better then top of the line DVD players at 480i/p.

If it lasts as long as my launch PS2, I'll be extremely happy. By the way, my PS2, from launch, still works perfectly. DVD movies and games.

[Daddy]

The PS3 is a bargain in this current market, at least in my opinion. For $600, I get a Blu-ray player and a new Playstation. HD media is long overdue (TV shouldn't be the only reason for an HD set, current DVDs are a waste for current HDTVs). Incorporating a Playstation inside a blu-ray player is just bonus to me. I get my Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, and HD movies all in one device until decent blu-ray players are actually affordable (under $300 in my opinion).

I'm pretty sure a crummy blu-ray player (assuming the PS3 blows at movie playing) at 1080p will still look better then top of the line DVD players at 480i/p.

If it lasts as long as my launch PS2, I'll be extremely happy. By the way, my PS2, from launch, still works perfectly. DVD movies and games.

HDTV right now is a joke...only premium channels and a few others scattered here and there...i dont think the "entire" market is ready for HDTV until 2007 at the earliest or at least until ALL tv is in HD

[Daddy]

Also you can check most of what im saying on any video/audiophile site like avsforums........dont know how many people actually go there from the videogame world...I wasnt gonna even post it but saw the Blu-ray post and was like hmmm ok...I wasnt gonna open that can of worms but someone did...like the 1080p are you ready post....Sony is getting beat down from everything im seeing so far

[sarausagi]

God, is there anywhere that people looking forward to the PS3 can discuss it without every thread being so damn negative? Seriously, I'm so fucking tired of every single online community being the same way, completely biased towards the PS3 and orgasming over the Wii, with a few people content with their 360 and even less people looking forward to the PS3.

Time to do this 1993 style.

"People won't buy it just for a name", yes, people will buy it just for a name. The same reason people buy the same god damn action RPG lite over and over again just because it's called "Zelda", the same reason people buy every single version of a portable console, just because it's "Nintendo". Brand loyalty isn't just something Nintendo gets, everything in the world has its die hards.

"There is no difference between Blu Ray and HD-DVD". yes, their is a difference. Maximum storage size is different, bandwidth is different, and manufacturing process is different. However, this isn't the main point, it's as silly as a DVD-A vs SA-CD debate. The main point is they are BOTH infinitely superior to DVD. Any of you who can't tell the difference aren't really watching a BRD or HD-DVD, are watching it on a uncalibrated TV set, or are blind as hell. If you can't see the difference between DVD and TRUE high definition [meaning exclusively 1080i/p]

"There is too much junk on these consoles", fuck you, this is the future, live with it. My cell phone can play MP3's, record videos, display images, watch movies, play video games, browse the internet, send text messages, use email, save voice memos, it's a clock, a stopwatch, a calendar, a datebook, a phone book, an organizer, it's also an alarm clock and a flashlight. My cable box can browse real estate, play karaoke, stream music, download programming on demand, it will soon function as a billing terminal and basic web browser. I'm tired of trying to see it from all sides, I'll just come out and say it on my side? You know what's junk in my opinion? Fucking remote controls, control attachments, and non standard optical media!

"Those exclusives aren't really exclusives, they're just sequels" And your games aren't? Halo, what? THREE. Super Smash Brothers Brawl..hmm..? The THIRD game in the series? How many Marios? How many Zeldas? How many Metroids? That's the way it is in video gaming, people like a game, that game's going to keep getting made. The second that Nintendo decides to get rid of Mario and Zelda, the second all you fan boys break into tears. LIKEWISE, some of us want Final Fantasy, or Metal Gear, or Gran Turismo. Stop acting like sequels are a bad thing, your sequels just have a fancy remote to go with them.

"The PS3's too expensive!!" And since when has gaming NOT been expensive? Cartridge games used to be at least $59 on release, some even $100, on BOTH major consoles. Playstation was $300, Saturn was $400. Wages were lower back then, manufacturing costs were higher, and the interest was LESS mainstream. Cheapassgamer could have NEVER existed in the early 90's, because deals were too far and few to be found. A Wii, a controller attachment, and a game will still cost you more than $300. A 360 will still cost $400 for the console and games are going to stay at $60 if you want the latest and greatest.

And you know what? Giant enemy crabs and RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACER are going to outsell and put your Revolution in third place, where it belongs. Sega..in this case Sony...does what Nintendon't.

[Ivanhoe]

i agree with most of your post except the part where you predict the WII ending up in 3rd place.

I think it will end up in 2nd place with 360 in 3rd.
Halo 3 and a price drop will help sell a ton of 360s but thats probably another year away.

[tilcfast]

And you know what? Giant enemy crabs and RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACER are going to outsell and put your Revolution in third place, where it belongs. Sega..in this case Sony...does what Nintendon't.


Um last time I checked RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RAAAAAAAAAACER 6 is on the 360 and it SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS. IT got mediocre reviews, and hasn't sold well so don't expect much from a PS3 version.

Who buys RIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RAAAAAAAAAAAAACER anymore when there is Gran Turismo, Project Gotham Racing, Forza, etc....

[Ivanhoe]

Um last time I checked RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RAAAAAAAAAACER 6 is on the 360 and it SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS. IT got mediocre reviews, and hasn't sold well so don't expect much from a PS3 version.

Who buys RIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RAAAAAAAAAAAAACER anymore when there is Gran Turismo, Project Gotham Racing, Forza, etc....

the ps3 RR is a brand new game not a port.
I still buy RR games. Prefer them over gran turismo anyday.

and its RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEERRRRRRRRRR
So everyone is gonna buy it,

[Daddy]

There is sooo much crap in sarausagi's post it smells through my pc but i guess i have to post back:

Mentioning HD-DVD and Blu-ray is a waste ,no one is 'really" ready for it and those that are "really" ready for it are the true audio/videophiles so unless your tryin bash Wii here this is a waste of conversatition. Trying to keep up with HDTV technology is such a waste its changing at such a fast rate that what ever you buy something better is out within 4-6 months TV wise so have fun with your 1080P mucho expensive investment.

Multifunctioning consoles- Ok doing lots of stuff is great, but making a device a combo device is like a tv/vcr or in this case Blu-ray/videogame console. In Ps3 case they HAVE TO WIN the format war and its still IN the system so if one breaks your screwed..no movies and no games.....in Wii case well its not there and in 360 case they dont FORCE you to accept HD-DVD but you can add the player if you want and if it breaks well then I can at least play my games till its fixed.

Exclusives- the point here isnt future versions of titles (which dont always end up to hot in MOST cases) but you said "exclusives"...which again ill state wont be happening too much except for in house publishers due to cost for making games .If you are talking about continuning franchises for games they end up "NOOB" friendly at best like Halo 2 for example and others well...I guess Mario never dies for some. Point being looking for games to be original granted EVERY console has something in that catagorey so no one should get bashed here

Price...you said "Cheapassgamer could have NEVER existed in the early 90's, because deals were too far and few to be found" Someone should tell you first off that your not in the 90's, Secondly you can be cheapass no matter when or what the subject or time is. At $600 bucks to start.... then tax and one game we are talking over $700 at bare bones for your "supreme" launch day. Sorry thats absurd, and down right stupid...the people falling for this are the brand whores, electronics junkies and the same noobs who whine about games being to hard and make dev's dumb them down. Ever think what your $700 investment in this system would look like if Blu-ray didnt win the format war?


I think you smoked the same thing Ken from SONY did b/c your obviously fanboying it up. Again its about the games so i dont care who has them, I want it at an affordable price, on a comparable system. NOT being lied to, scammed or blatantly danced in my face about superiority....all of Which SONY does and has done since E3 of LAST year....question for you and SONY.....Where is your badass KILLZONE 2 amazing looking game? Why did almost all your specs from last year get pulled? Why are you making dual sku's with obsolete options on your stripped down model? Why are all the Blu-ray titles out now looking like crap? Why did you re-delay Blu-ray players? Will you make November launch day and if so wont you cater more to Japan than the US? (Bet your local Eb gets 3 premiums and 1 regular at launch...LOL) What happens to your system if Blu-ray loses the format war? No rumble feature? Why did the dork at E3 demo warhawk and move his body around more than the controller? Do you have a 100% finished working PS3 thats not hooked up to a PC yet? Why have remote access from a PSP when PSP sucks? ...now I need to spend even more money...hooray?!?! I can keep going b/c right now its not hard to bash SONY....... sure I can throw in some names of games that arent even finished to make SONY look good like MGS4 but why talk about a non-exsistant product? I bet a nice shiny "cheapass" penny they delay PS3 again...if so that should or could be the final nail in the coffin unless we see a price drop magically (think ABRA....CADABRA) right before launch...but with good old smilly Ken I doubt it.

PS- Nintendo revolutionized and has been innovative in this industry, XBOX and bringing XBOX LIVE has done so as well...what has SONY done besides copy and toot its own horn? Dont say magic crab videos

[sarausagi]

PS- Nintendo revolutionized and has been innovative in this industry, XBOX and bringing XBOX LIVE has done so as well...what has SONY done besides copy and toot its own horn? Dont say magic crab videos

Whoa, whoa, whoa, you COMPLETELY missed the point

I said GIANT crabs, not MAGIC crabs, there's a world of difference

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4503/crab0sg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


NOT

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/573/chromeshellcrab1hb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Daddy]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, you COMPLETELY missed the point

I said GIANT crabs, not MAGIC crabs, there's a world of difference

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4503/crab0sg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


NOT

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/573/chromeshellcrab1hb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


NICE dodge move....funny to say the least....hmmm now where could that crab shack be?

[Daddy]

CHECK THIS OUT HERE...ON A DIFFERENT FRONT, here is SONY copying PQI Intelligent stick ...one reader posts this response:

Breaking News, Sony re-invents the wheel!... It now features the SONY logo!...

Come on Sony... I had my PQI Intelligent stick in my wallet on my butt for the last 3 years and it works like a charm...

Or may be you are "investing in potential technology" just like the PS3


http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/peripherals/sony-shrinks-usb-drives-184260.php

[Daddy]

Sony sore over huge bill for additional taxes

Tokyo tax authority says electronics giant owes an extra $244 million due to underreporting in its games business.




The Tokyo Regional Tax Bureau served Sony and Sony Computer Entertainment with a notice for 74.4 billion yen (about $650 million) in unreported income, ITmedia reported today. As a result, the tax authority claims that Sony owes about 27.9 billion (over $244 million) in additional taxes. Both Sony and SCE plan to protest the taxes, as is evident from the statement they released today condemning the tax bureau's behavior: "We have always made appropriate tax payments in compliance with the tax codes of [the relevant] countries; this notice [from the tax bureau] is unsatisfactory."

The penalty stems from the "transfer price tax system," which is designed to prevent companies from performing transactions between their domestic and overseas affiliates at lower than usual prices. The allegedly unreported revenues are related to transactions between SCE and its US subsidiaries in connection with its game business between FY 1999 and 2004, and CD and DVD disc transactions between Sony and multiple overseas subsidiaries from FY 2003 to 2004. The tax authorities hold that Sony was under obligation to report these transactions as they occurred at lower than normal prices.

For its part, Sony and SCE have stated "we are confident we can avoid this double taxation" by invoking [international] tax treaties to open bilateral talks.

SONY lying and getting caught? No never...... lol

[Metal Boss]

Can't you devote your internet time to something else now?

[whoknows]

Can't you devote your internet time to something else now?
If you keep ignoring him he might eventually go away

[Daddy]

Can't you devote your internet time to something else now?

Well just keeping all the info ine one spot....dont be mad im a metal gear fan too :-)

[crystalklear64]

I personally won't be buying a PS3, but if I know my brother/father, they'll get one and I can just mooch. I gotz teh colleges 2 pay 4, so Wii for me.

[Daddy]

Wii will be an intereting product cant wait to see it in person in action

[Daddy]

Farcry? Drakengard 2? I think you are wrong in this case. Until Assassins Creed is announced to be on the 360, its not a cross platform game.


Ready to eat those words heres a told ya so:


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Assassin's Creed is/isn't PS3 exclusive...again? Source: Hearsay from France's Interactive Digital Entertainment Festival, as reported on every single gaming site in the universe.

The official story: See below.

What we heard: If pre-release hype is anything to go on, then Ubisoft's Assassin's Creed is looking like a good bet to rule sales charts when it's released in 2007. The stealthy game has been drooled over since its showing at this year's E3, and fans aren't even sure what platforms it will be on.

The game has been confirmed as a PlayStation 3 game, but was announced as Project Assassin at the Xbox-centric X05 last year. Ubisoft has repeatedly said that the game is coming to the PS3 and no other announcements have been made, but others claimed that the game was running on a 360 dev kit at E3.

Further doubt of PS3 exclusivity was thrown into the mix this week when Web sites began reporting that Ubisoft confirmed at the Interactive Digital Entertainment Festival last week that the game would be coming to the Xbox 360 and PC. Which Web sites? It's not quite clear yet, though the rumor appears to have spawned on European-based Web sites.

For those of you who predicted that Ubisoft would deny any other platforms for Assassin's Creed, pat yourself on the back. A rep told GameSpot News: "Assassin’s Creed is coming to the PS3. No other announcements have been made."

As stated before, all signs point toward Assassin's Creed heading to other platforms. Officially, however, the game is a PS3 title.

Bogus or not bogus?: We've been through this before, and we're sticking with Bogus that it's a PS3 exclusive. We would be shocked to find this not end up on the Xbox 360 or PC.

Posted by TimSpot, Jul 7, 2006 2:06 am PT


In short id say the chances of cross platform are dead on

[whoknows]

Ok, so some unknown websites say its going to be on the 360 and PC yet Ubisoft says: "Assassin’s Creed is coming to the PS3. No other announcements have been made."...what are you trying to prove? Unless Ubisoft said it themselves its still not a cross platform title.

I'm not saying it wont end up on 360/PC, but until its announced to be on those platforms it's currently PS3 only.

[Daddy]

I'm not saying it wont end up on 360/PC, but until its announced to be on those platforms it's currently PS3 only.

That wasnt the tune w/ many when i posted it....and for the record ALOT of websites are saying it..either way its a plus more platforms = more choices for gamers and i didnt hear UBI say it was "exclusive" so you can look at it either way

[psiufoxx2]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, you COMPLETELY missed the point

I said GIANT crabs, not MAGIC crabs, there's a world of difference

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4503/crab0sg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


NOT

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/573/chromeshellcrab1hb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)O RLY!?

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2387/crab5nm.jpg

[Daddy]

HA crabs everywhere....cant wait to see a gaint crab standing on top of KAz or someone like that ...that would be a funny pic

[camoor]

HA crabs everywhere....cant wait to see a gaint crab standing on top of KAz or someone like that ...that would be a funny pic

Not to mention very original

[Daddy]

Ha...hey saw that SONY WHITE PSP ad got pulled...what were they thinking...also a rumour Target is pulling UMD off the shelf....could we see that happen to blue ray? Time will tell...scary to copy/back up or invest in any type of DVD the way things are looking.....plus you have Netflix and others looking into Direct Downloading of movies to your Harddrive.....hmmmm what to do

[Daddy]

Not to mention very original

Still havent seen it yet

[zerolens]

I'll be waiting for a $100 price drop and time for them to work the bugs out. If they keep getting Suikoden, Shadow Hearts, Dragon Quest, etc. that's the system I want.

360 isn't doing too great in Japan so I see Japanese games coming out for PS3 again and the 360 not getting many. It'll be 2 years or so before I buy a next-gen console so the 360 has plenty of time to prove me wrong, but I don't see it happening. I might get a Wii if VC games are dirt cheap and offer a good selection. I don't see them getting strong 3rd party support again so IMO the types of games on each console seem to be the same as it was this gen. I may be wrong on this but so far that's what I'm thinking will happen.

So far PS3 is all I'm interested in.

[Daddy]

I'll be waiting for a $100 price drop and time for them to work the bugs out. If they keep getting Suikoden, Shadow Hearts, Dragon Quest, etc. that's the system I want.

360 isn't doing too great in Japan so I see Japanese games coming out for PS3 again and the 360 not getting many. It'll be 2 years or so before I buy a next-gen console so the 360 has plenty of time to prove me wrong, but I don't see it happening. I might get a Wii if VC games are dirt cheap and offer a good selection. I don't see them getting strong 3rd party support again so IMO the types of games on each console seem to be the same as it was this gen. I may be wrong on this but so far that's what I'm thinking will happen.

So far PS3 is all I'm interested in.

Yeah if this system makes it it definitley has to go down in price, alot is gonna depend on blu-ray as well

[richbastard]

' ' Perhaps....about 1-3 years after launch, let the water clear ' ' this is the best option in my book PS2 still kicking some mayor ass in the game deparment Okami,FF12,FF7-DC,Rogue Galaxy ect. coming out soon i can afford PS3 right now , i will buy one eventaully just like anybody else. only MGS4 will make me drop 599$ for PS3.

[VAD3R or Fro]

Right now Sony is getting alot of bad luck after there worst conference at E3. I just plan to get a PS3 next year when there are less glitches and shortages.

[Daddy]

Right now Sony is getting alot of bad luck after there worst conference at E3. I just plan to get a PS3 next year when there are less glitches and shortages.


so far 223 other people agree with that

[akilshohen]

At this rate, I'll never own a sony system while it current gen. But I did tell my friend that we should go half on one so we can sell it on eBay

[Daddy]

At this rate, I'll never own a sony system while it current gen. But I did tell my friend that we should go half on one so we can sell it on eBay


Ohhhhh!!!!

[richbastard]

As long as there is decent support for the PS2, I will continue to buy games for it. I am in no rush to switch over to any new system.

[Daddy]

As long as there is decent support for the PS2, I will continue to buy games for it. I am in no rush to switch over to any new system.


Lol....what ever works....

[Daddy]

I wonder if they will make the nov.17th launch date or we see a different launch price at the last second

[Ivanhoe]

I wonder if they will make the nov.17th launch date or we see a different launch price at the last second


Im hoping they delay it by a few weeks Since thats when ill be back in the states and able to wait out of bestbuy for 12 hours to get one. But something tells me they really want to make this date.

[postaboy]

I get two on launch day. One to keep, and One to sell on ebay.

[whoknows]

I get two on launch day. One to keep, and One to sell on ebay.
Thats what I'm planning as well.