Lets be real...can you still support SONY?

[Daddy]

With everything we know now from Phil Harrison lies to missing components and empty promises does anyone think SONY will end up in a good position? I STILL cant understand why everyone who wants a PS3 is happy about a Blu-Ray player being included...I mean its a combo electronic device (BIG NO-NO) if your PS3 breaks then your movie player is broken too...who the hell buys combo devices? Old people do.....thats about it

[Chacrana]

I don't really give a damn about hardware features like Blu Ray, but as long as Sony's system is getting stuff like MGS 4, I'm pretty much forced to buy the system.

[Reality's Fringe]

Sony will be ok. For all the shit that I give them, they wouldn't be in business if they were stupid. I truly don't like Blue-Ray, some of their practices, and the $600 price tag is just fucking asinine to me, but I don't see them going anywhere.

[Daddy]

I don't really give a damn about hardware features like Blu Ray, but as long as Sony's system is getting stuff like MGS 4, I'm pretty much forced to buy the system.


Wouldnt be surprised to see this on 360 in the future...lol

[killswitch64]

I will still buy one at launch.

[hohez]

I never supported SONY, i supported RPGs. I could care less what console is made by whom, as long as it has games I want to play. I won't spend $600 on a console, but as great games come out and the price drops, eventually the two lines intersect and thats when it's time to purchase.

[Daddy]

Yep its all about the games

[Scahom1]

They did the same thing when the PS2 came out (Still waiting for the Toy Story graphics) and people still ate them up. Sony isn't worried.

Myself, I love my 360 and will wait for a true price drop or a Killer App for my PS3 purchase

[jkam]

I have a love hate relationship with Sony. I hate their hardware. I can only get certain games on their systems though...and I like the fact that their systems are backwards compatible. I'm waiting though this gen to see how things pan out before jumping in.

[itspaidgasterblaster]

I could care less if Sony lied as long as we got those amazing Rpgs, stradegy, and games like guitar hero or katamary damacy.

[Number83]

I'll wait for Assassins Creed to come out to judge...this is the only game I have seen that would make me purchase a PS3 at this point. Of course, if they anounce a 360 version...

[suffah]

I'll wait for Assassins Creed to come out to judge...this is the only game I have seen that would make me purchase a PS3 at this point. Of course, if they anounce a 360 version...

I think I read somewhere that the E3 version was running on a 360. It was a story on IGN but they took it down. Can't seem to find the link to the original article anymore.

Ubisoft hasn't denied that AC will be on the 360 though.

[Ecofreak]

I'll wait 1-3 years for the dust to settle and a few models of the PS3 are released to get the bugs and kinks out of the system. If the 360 had so much funk with it during launch, I shutter to think what the PS3 will go through.

[lionheart4life]

I'll wait a year, and my money will go where the games are. I'm not really interested in paying $60 a game for ANY of the new systems, so I'll wait until there is some used or discounted stuff too. It doesn't really matter what any Sony rep, or any other brand for that matter says, you can always read the box of the product you are buying to find out what it does.

I hardly ever watch DVD's because I think they usually aren't worth buying, so Blu-Ray won't mean anything to me. But it is nice that I can just use the PS2 to play something when I do want to watch it. For that reason I wouldn't buy the PS3 for its Blu-Ray function.

I don't care what company makes what system, and I also don't really care what kind of business they do since I'm not a shareholder of any of them. If I can only afford to purchase one system, I will go with whatever one has the most games that I like. For the last two generations of systems that has been Sony's machine, but that could change here and only time will tell. If MGS4 can come out for the 360, that will be a significant factor for me since right now thats the main game I'm interested in for PS3.

[javeryh]

Crap. I voted for #3 but I definitely plan on doing #4 about 3 or 4 times over and then if I make enough money off of that I might keep one for myself... there are too many dumbasses out there who will pay $1,000 if there are shortages...

[willardhaven]

what do you guys do if there are no shortages? lose money?

[javeryh]

what do you guys do if there are no shortages? lose money?

Return the systems where I bought them - it's a win-win...

[Number83]

I think I read somewhere that the E3 version was running on a 360. It was a story on IGN but they took it down. Can't seem to find the link to the original article anymore.

Ubisoft hasn't denied that AC will be on the 360 though.

W00t!!!! I hope you're right!!!!!

[toper]

what do you guys do if there are no shortages? lose money?


There will definitely be shortages...a near-thanksgiving/xmas launch almost guarantees it.

The question is, how big will the margin be? I wouldn't be surprise if it's at least 100%

The other thing is, it may be difficult to even secure ONE. With all the gauging that happened with the 360 (even ebay semi-encouraged it), the speculators/prospectors will be out in full force. Which means, once again, the true gamers get screwed over by the mainstream crowd.

[Mid Boss]

I'd like to say I'll wait a year or so to get a PS3 once there's a price drop, which is probably the best way to go about, but there is that obsessive tech geek part of me that really makes me want to pick one up at launch. Of course unless I win the lottery I'll probably be best off going with the first option. I've resisted the 360 thus far, so I think I can handle avoiding the PS3 for awhile. The Wii on the other hand. . .

[rodeojones903]

Ill be picking one up at launch. $600 for all it does is a good price to me. I dont give a shit what the name on my system is, I just want to play the games.

[willardhaven]

I think I'm going to try to flip one, I just need to figure out where to wait.

[Daddy]

I bet alot of people would have picked sell and wait 1 year for themselves

[Ivanhoe]

With everything we know now from Phil Harrison lies to missing components and empty promises does anyone think SONY will end up in a good position? I STILL cant understand why everyone who wants a PS3 is happy about a Blu-Ray player being included...I mean its a combo electronic device (BIG NO-NO) if your PS3 breaks then your movie player is broken too...who the hell buys combo devices? Old people do.....thats about it


Sony will end up in a great position.

Blue ray roms can hold a ton of storage. which is why i love that it isnt an adon like hddvd is for 360. everygame can now utilize up to 200gig of space on a bd rom. This is a system made for the future of gaming andnot just a more powerful system with a new number attached to it (ps1 to ps2 and xbx to 360)

Including a HDD in every system is also the best move for the future of gaming.

As for your "combo drive" bashing. ever heard of dreamcast? ps1? ps2? xbox? xbox 360? all do more then just play game discs.

So looks like everyone buys "combo devices" .

[jpuma1]

I only have loyalty to the games. I bought a GC simply because of RE4 and Monkey Ball, an XBox solely for Halo 2, and my PS2 i got a year after launch because of MGS2.

I don't give a crap about blu-ray at the moment.

by the time I do, it'll be included in HTIB systems with "brand new" technology like "progressive scan" or whatever they come up with, with the best "new" plug in, better than HDMI, whatever that'll be.

the only reason i want the PS3 is because Sony has the best RPGs, MGS, Tekken, VF, etc. etc.

they have all the franchises. But we'll see if those franchises stay loyal to Sony if the PS3 doesn't sell as well as forcasted in the first year. (btw, i'm in the camp that WON'T buy the PS3 at launch)

[Vinny]

Sony's pretty much guarenteed to be 1st again... honestly, with the market the PS2 has they could've fucked up even worse with the PS3 but the general consumer just isn't that smart. Chances are, 80% of PS2 owners will end up with a PS3 just because they'll think the PS3 is ____ times better than the PS2.

Besides, if the games are good then I doubt gamers won't buy one once the price is right.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I really dont think the momentum carries over that heavily, especially if you keep making decisions that people frown on. Sure, consumers as well as people in general, are pretty dumb, but I still dont think they are guaranteed the crown again. They are not immune from failing.

You'd think the momentum of the SNES wouldve carried over to the N64.

[Robobandit]

I'll probably wait 2-3 years to buy this one.. by then it will have more great games and a lower price tag

[jpuma1]

You'd think the momentum of the SNES wouldve carried over to the N64.

Excellent point

[gunm]

I can't afford a system where the hardware alone costs $600. When the price comes down into the $250 and below range, then maybe I'll consider it.

[depascal22]

Maybe we should start thinking about combining resources to sell some PS3s. I'd love to have a PS3 but with all this potential profit, I can't help trying to flip at least 4 of these. There's been a bunch of speculation that these might go for $1000 but I have a feeling there will be a couple fat cats around NYC that might be willing to drop more.

[Grave_Addiction]

I believe Sony is making a huge mistake in putting so much shit in the PS3 that it has pretty much outpriced itself out of the competition. The average gamer most likely doesn't have the income to spend $700 on a console.

Make no mistake, the PS3 is going to be an excellent system. Probably the best one ever made, but at $600, it's out of most people's price range.

It will be interesting to see what Sony does if sales are pretty bad soon after launch. Will they bend and announce a price drop, or will they continue to preach how "cheap" it is and how we should thank them for creating such a work of art?

[Daddy]

Price drop im betting

[argyle]

I've been getting a lot of chuckles from reading stuff on message boards lately (not just this one). It seems message board life is completely removed from the real world. EVERYWHERE I go, people are talking about the PS3 - how they're going to get one, where they can get one, when pre-orders will start. The 360, even when it was selling out, didn't have nearly the same buzz. Most of the people I know who did buy a 360 got it either because a) they get all of the systems or b) they got a really good deal on one & got it "just because".

EVERYONE wants a PS3. It will be nearly impossible to find, and will sell through the roof. But if you went by what you hear on message boards, there would only be 3-4 people lined up at launch to buy it, and everyone would be buying a Wii instead. Of course, if you also went by the boards the Gamecube would have been the best-selling console last gen. :-P

[Dr Mario Kart]

Maybe your reality is just exceptional. No one I know on this side of the screen is planning on getting a PS3. None of them own a 360, and almost all of them are buying a Wii at launch.

[rodeojones903]

Maybe your reality is just exceptional. No one I know on this side of the screen is planning on getting a PS3. None of them own a 360, and almost all of them are buying a Wii at launch.

Your reality is just not the norm apparenty. I would say 60% of the people I talk to and/or hang out with have a 360, and are really pumped for the PS3. People I work with that are not even big in gaming talk about the PS3.

[toper]

I don't think the price will hurt demand of the Ps3 at all...whatever little johnny wants at xmas time, that's what his parents are gonna get him, REGARDLESS of the price. You'd be surprised at what parents are willing to throw down to shutup their spoiled brats during the holidays.

[Genocidal]

Your reality is just not the norm apparenty. I would say 60% of the people I talk to and/or hang out with have a 360, and are really pumped for the PS3. People I work with that are not even big in gaming talk about the PS3.

Count my reality as not being "the norm" either. People I know are thinking about getting a 360, but when they heard the price of the PS3, the definite launch buy went down to a wait (presumably for a price drop) and buy.

[Kapwanil]

Simply put, I adore a good portion of the PS2 library and have over 120 titles for the PS2 alone...and yet I didn't buy my own PS2 until seven months ago for a song (around $60 for a fat PS2, two controllers, 1st party mem card, headset, network adaptor, and three games).

At this rate I honestly don't see myself even considering a PS3 until well down the line. I like the way some of the games are shaping up but the MSRP is way too high for me to even consider, especially when there are plenty of games out on the market. Why should I consider spending around up to $800 or $850 on a new system and games in a single year when I can wait around, buy most of the games I want when their prices drop for about $150 to $200 and call it a year?

[vinhjdao]

I don't think the price will hurt demand of the Ps3 at all...whatever little johnny wants at xmas time, that's what his parents are gonna get him, REGARDLESS of the price. You'd be surprised at what parents are willing to throw down to shutup their spoiled brats during the holidays.

Even little johnny has some conception of value and effeciency. If given the choice between a PS3 and one game, or a Wii and four games, I wonder which one he would choose?

[argyle]

Even little johnny has some conception of value and effeciency. If given the choice between a PS3 and one game, or a Wii and four games, I wonder which one he would choose?


Little Johnny isn't the target audience for the launch period - it's his dad. ;)

[whoknows]

Uh...yes?

Its about the games, and so far the PS3 has the most exclusive games that I want (DMC4, MGS4, Killzone 2, Heavenly Sword, Eight Days, etc)...so until Microsoft can offer me more than FPS/Sports games and Nintendo can get some real 3rd party support I'm sticking with Sony.

[graf1k]

While it would be nice to afford and have a PS3 at launch, the lack of interesting launch titles and the high price will keep me from buying one unless I get a large windfall of money between now and then. Couple that with a pretty stellar holiday line up for 360 and the Wii launching at the same time and I don't feel the need to drop $600 on a PS3 in November. I admit, when the 360 came out there wasn't a great load of great launch titles, but I don't see anything on the PS3 list that I want before MGS4 that I can't live without, and that's probably late 2007 at the earliest. Assassins Creed looks cool but I think that will probably end up on 360 at some point, and even if it doesn't I'm not sure it interests me enough to sell me on a PS3.

Also, I think people are overestimating the loyalty of consumers to Sony. Last gen, the PS2 was relatively inexpensive. This generation the launch price of the PS3 is DOUBLE that of the PS2. I personally think that's going to turn away a lot of people that might normally have bought a PS3 at launch, especially if it's launch titles look worse than the current crop of titles for 360. Everything I heard from E3 about Madden 07 for 360 and Madden 07 for PS3 said the 360 version easily looked and played better than the PS3 version. And it's shit like that that is going to reign in casual players IMO. Of course the PS3 will still sell out though, if only because there are going to be people buying 2-3 to sell on eBay.

[Vinny]

I honestly don't think any of today's systems have pr oven to be worthy of buying at launch.. the last system that I thought was worth it at launch was the N64.

In the end, it does come down to the launch price for me. A PS3 (downgraded version), an Xbox 360 (premium) + 2 games, or a Wii and five games.

While the power is nice, what good is it if it only lasts for... 10-15 hours of enjoyment (assuming that's the average length of one game).

It's not whether the PS3 will be worth owning... it's a question of when it'll be worth owning.

[doctorfaustus]

I voted to wait.

My bro bought the PS2 at launch and it was cool. The graphics were neat but there just weren't enough games at launch. I think we had ready to rumble 2 for a while and then Unreal Tournament. The thrill died fast. My bro then sold it and made a profit. I didn't buy one for myself until GTA 3 came out. When GTA 3 came out I marched over to the nearest Target and bought the system, game, and memory card.
It will probably be a similar story this time around. I'll wait until GTA 4 comes out and then march out to the store and hand over my cash like a chump.

However, since I now have more cash fluidity I will be able to indulge at launch if I want to.
Still, 599 plus 59.99 game and tax wiil be end up totalling 7 bills and change just to get started. That's a lot of money.

[Grave_Addiction]

Little Johnny isn't the target audience for the launch period - it's his dad. ;)

And chances are his dad is going to say fuck Sony when it comes to forking over $600 for a video game console.

[Grave_Addiction]

I voted to wait.

My bro bought the PS2 at launch and it was cool. The graphics were neat but there just weren't enough games at launch. I think we had ready to rumble 2 for a while and then Unreal Tournament. The thrill died fast. My bro then sold it and made a profit. I didn't buy one for myself until GTA 3 came out. When GTA 3 came out I marched over to the nearest Target and bought the system, game, and memory card.
It will probably be a similar story this time around. I'll wait until GTA 4 comes out and then march out to the store and hand over my cash like a chump.

However, since I now have more cash fluidity I will be able to indulge at launch if I want to.
Still, 599 plus 59.99 game and tax wiil be end up totalling 7 bills and change just to get started. That's a lot of money.

You do realize that GTA 4 is launching simultaneously on the 360 and PS3, right? If all you want to play is GTA 4, you can do it much cheaper than buying from Sony.

[Chacrana]

Wouldnt be surprised to see this on 360 in the future...lol


I would. Kojima doesn't like ports and ports of MGS games have never turned out as well as they did in their original PS/PS2 iterations.

[Quackzilla]

meh, I can't really afford it but I really want one.

I think this reference to Pulp Fiction is a good one.

The PS3 is like a $5 shake.

The $5 shake is so goddamn good that it will blow your mind away, but it is still $5 for a shake.

[toper]

Even little johnny has some conception of value and effeciency. If given the choice between a PS3 and one game, or a Wii and four games, I wonder which one he would choose?


He would get the PS3 so he could TRADE games with all of his friends who will be getting one too!

[toper]

Little Johnny isn't the target audience for the launch period - it's his dad. ;)


Good point...but daddy has to use lil johnny as his "excuse"!

[zionoverfire]

Blu-Ray player being included...I mean its a combo electronic device (BIG NO-NO) if your PS3 breaks then your movie player is broken too...who the hell buys combo devices? Old people do.....thats about it

The combo idea was instrumental in selling the PS2. At the time of release a good DVD player was $200, making the PS2 a steal for anyone interested in a DVD player and system.

Of course I really don't have any interest in Blu-Ray so I'm currently against buying a PS3 simply based on the increased cost to support a player I don't want.

[Vinny]

The combo idea was instrumental in selling the PS2. At the time of release a good DVD player was $200, making the PS2 a steal for anyone interested in a DVD player and system.

Of course I really don't have any interest in Blu-Ray so I'm currently against buying a PS3 simply based on the increased cost to support a player I don't want.

But the PS2 also came out in a time when DVDs have picked up a bit of steam... it's different with HD-DVDs/Blu-Ray as most stores don't have carry either format yet. Also add in the fact that every movie studio supported DVD whereas they're split on the upcoming formats.

[whoknows]

But the PS2 also came out in a time when DVDs have picked up a bit of steam... it's different with HD-DVDs/Blu-Ray as most stores don't have carry either format yet. Also add in the fact that every movie studio supported DVD whereas they're split on the upcoming formats.
Last I checked though, Blu-ray looks to have a lot more support than HD-DVD is getting...I'll try to find the list online again and post the link.

[guardian_owl]

IMHO the PS2's gaming library had the greatest variety of quality games (something for almost everyone) of the previous generation. If they continue that tradition, then yes, I will purchase a PS3 after the first or second price drop.

[Daddy]

But the PS2 also came out in a time when DVDs have picked up a bit of steam... it's different with HD-DVDs/Blu-Ray as most stores don't have carry either format yet. Also add in the fact that every movie studio supported DVD whereas they're split on the upcoming formats.

Agreed...split format and again no REAL home theater person buys combo items....no WAY would I use a gaming system as my primary DVD player no matter what

[Daddy]

Ha most people waiting wins so far..... then selling to other people or not buying at all is next....then some people getting at launch....sounds about right...EBAY watch out!

[jer7583]

There's no reason a gamer should support sony this time around. If MGS4 came to 360, it'd all be over, except for hardcore sony fanboys and Final Fantasy geeks.

[Dr Mario Kart]

We still have yet to see where a significant number of the J-RPG developers are going next gen. Most of them dont really have high graphical requirements and look to be doing PS2 stuff still.

But they dont exactly have a lot of incentive to go 360 if they intend to sell units in their home country.

If all of them go PS3, then the Japanese will follow.

[zewone]

I can't.. I don't want a Blu Ray player...so the fact that i have to spend at least $200 extra on something I don't want to play a PS3 is very unpleasing. Plus the fact that 360 is getting a bunch of games I really intrested in and the only game I want on PS3 is MGS4 makes it a little easier to pass them by this generation.

I might still get one, if I buy two and sell the 1st one to cover my costs.

[salmonaxxx]

I think it'll sell out in most major cities (which is what happened with the PSP). But for most of the country, it'll sit on the shelves. $500/$600 is just too much for most people, especially when the 360 gets its holiday lineup, and the Wii launches.

You can't make the comparison of the PS3's Blu-Ray being as appealing as the PS2's DVD playing capabilities, because there are going to be few Blu-Ray movies on the shelves when the PS3 launches. When the PS2 launched, there was already a serious DVD presence.

I'm gonna get one at launch, but I definitely won't be in the majority.

[jam3582]

I am going towards the japanese game developers as I can only imagine if what crazy and original games they might come up with on the wii or ps3 (sorry 360 I love yah but the japanese dont ). Ill get a ps3 at launch as I kno damn well the techy in me will want one no matter what horrid launch tittles are realesed with it.

I have a feeling the launch line up wont be so bad mayb almost on par with the 360's . Hey you never know . I love my 360 though so I am getting all 3 just to future proof myself . Once I see a game I want thats exclusive to one system I kno I am gonna want it no matter what .

[rabbitt]

Can you imagine a defective PS3 at launch? You thought dead pixels and the 360's Red Ring of Death were bad, well...

[miniarnold]

I never supported SONY, i supported RPGs. I could care less what console is made by whom, as long as it has games I want to play. I won't spend $600 on a console, but as great games come out and the price drops, eventually the two lines intersect and thats when it's time to purchase.

This is where I'm at also. I love RPGs, and I don't care which system I'm playing them on. I hope to hold out as long as possible, to get a PS3 as cheap as possible.

That said, it's going to be hard for me to stay away from a PS3 after FF XIII is released. I finally downloaded the FF XIII video from IGN last night. All I can say is, wow, it's sure got a pretty mouth.

[robbart914]

FF XIII will probably not see release for like a year and a half after launch. If it it takes around a year later for Japan, you know it takes a good 8 or 9 months usually to get it localized.

If you can make it until then, it's got to be the thing to do. By then, you'll have a good idea what kind of third party support the PS3 is getting, what kind of support Bluray is getting, and of course a probably $100 or more price drop.

I wish I can hold out that long. I think I can manage the storm of the launch, due to even owning a launch PS1 and getting burned there, but MGS4 is probably going to break me. That'll almost definitely see release before FF, and will get an almost simultaneous worldwide release probably. Hell, I think the States got the last one before Japan even.

[Metal Boss]

...I still support sony, I'm not going to drop them because of this overblown controller fiasco, rediculous...

PS1, PS2 were both incredible systems and I predict the same for PS3, I can't believe the slime that is being tossed their way.

[yester]

i don't supoort sony either.
the most impressive games i've played were MGS, FF, ICO, DQ. Everything else was average. But then, i haven't played all.
FF came even from the nintendo platform. well, they never go back i think.
I have to wait until it drops drastically down. Something like 300-400$ perhaps.
Maybe then.....

[jputahraptor]

When did cheapassgamer turn into a kiss nintendo's ass site. If the fanboys want to gloat about their system they got their pages, why attack sony over ever little thing? Can't afford the initial pricetag, oh well their's millions making more money than you and they have a large enough fan base to make lots of money. Xbox360 sold all their systems and people resold them on ebay for hugh markups and guess what, people payed hundreds more than the original price tag, just cause were cheap doesn't mean there aren't plenty out there with money to burn. The system is a one shot deal $ wise anyway and if it comes with perks that will save you from buying other things(dvd players, blu ray whatevers) instead then it's justified. Let's wait a little closer to launch before we cry about every little thing that hasn't even been finalized yet, every magazine i've read has a different theory about how it will all turn out so settle down.


P.S. I'm not a fanboy of any system, if I were it would be sega but um...they ain't in it anymore but really I'm sick of nintendo's fans and the anti-sony crowd spouting every thought that enters their mind, i think blu-ray and what it will produce maybe a year or two after launch will far outweigh replaying nintendo ports on the why...um wii that young people don't want to play, there loss but i bought those games and i have them and many wants new experiences not ports. I'm 22, nostalgia isn't going to last me another 50 years, I want new nostalgia.

[jputahraptor]

And isn't this poll a little biased, I mean your asking people on a site called cheapassgamer if they would buy a $500 or so system, when most of us here wouldn't spend $6 on a triple A title they knew they could get for $5 6 months from now. Why don't you go to richassgamers and pose the same question, really this poll is pure stupidity. Support the systems you like, don't support the ones you don't and leave it at that.

[Genocidal]

Are you related to solid snake?

[jputahraptor]

Are you related to solid snake?

Only if your related to Mario or Master Chief.

[suko_32]

I MUST have MGS4 so.....I'm getting the PS3. Use a lil of that scholarship money.....

[kjauburn]

Last year if when the Xbox 360 hit I was impressed by the graphics (call of duty), but not the games themselves. I been a diehard Sony supporter since the PS so I realize I am bias. I was waiting for the PS3 launch, but not anymore. The price is the main thing that has caused me to do a doubletake. Plus truthfully with the upcoming line up from Microsoft I am not even sure you can tell who will have the biggest heavy hitting games. If anything the sony price point is going to allow for all the systems to really have a place for the first year or two.

Personally after seeing the Wii lineup and the potential for the controller I plan on purchasing a Wii at launch. Then wait it out to see where things will end up with the other systems. For me the decision was easy as soon as I heard the price points, of course I have a baby due in Sept adding weight to the decision. If this was 10 years ago when I was in college playing games 40-50 hours a week I would be lining up the night the ps3 came out.

[CappyCobra]

I honestly don't think any of today's systems have pr oven to be worthy of buying at launch.. the last system that I thought was worth it at launch was the N64... Of all system launches, you say the N64 was a worthy launch purchase? They had TWO fucking games at launch! Pilotwings64 was a snore to put it mildly. Mario64 was THE only game to get (and I just rented a system for the week). Not to mention that the games were selling upwards of $80 USED (SW: SOTE I recall specifically) around X-mas. Then the one game a month BS was a total turn off. I loved the 64, but it was WAAAAaaayy down the line when the library justifed the shelf space.

Dreamcast had a waaaay better launch; Soul Calibur, Hydro Thunder, Sonic Adventure, Power Stone, Mortal Kombat Gold & HOTD2 just to name a few. Plus the VMU was (and still is) a revolutionary piece.

[daroga]

Only if your related to Mario or Master Chief.
I think he meant the CAG user "solid snake". And no, he can't be, jputahraptor usues punctuation and semi-comprehensible grammar.

[guinaevere]

I would. Kojima doesn't like ports and ports of MGS games have never turned out as well as they did in their original PS/PS2 iterations.
Kojima doesn't like ports? Right. You are aware that the Metal Gear franchise would never have taken off if it's original title (MSX computer) wasn't ported to the NES, aren't you? But hey, if you can supply me with a credible source other than reporting what you heard from a friend or some retailer working in a video game shop, I'd be happy to read it.


Sugar, Konami is a business, and they are full aware that their ports (including but not at all limited to MGS) have always brought in additional profit, which is why they have continued to port their games from one system to another.

And if anyone hasn't been paying attention to the Wii Smash Brothers promo, the first non-Nintendo character who showed up hiding in a box was who boys and girls? That's right! Solid Snake! So if anyone is thinking that the MGS titles will be strictly Sony exclusives in the next console generation, you're sadly mistaken. Or do you think Nintendo is advertising Konami's heavy hitter out of the kindness of their hearts with no alternate motive?

The combo idea was instrumental in selling the PS2. At the time of release a good DVD player was $200, making the PS2 a steal for anyone interested in a DVD player and system.
Not true. It may have been your reason to purchase a ps2, but not the majority of consumers'. Sony's PlayStation was a solid introduction to the video game console market, and the PS2 was a solid successor, again with full third party support, that very nice backwards-compatibility feature, and if the launch titles didn't grab you, there was a full stable of quality games coming down the pike to choose from.



As to the issue of the PS3's price (I will only discuss the full $600 system, as the idea of dropping $500 for a HELLO! blu-ray player/console withOUT HDMI is flushing half a grand down the drain), look at what you are getting for your money.

If nothing else, you're getting a Sony built blu-ray player for less than $1000. You want a gaming system? Well, you're getting a nice system with more of the same titles from more of the same third-party supporters. If that makes you happy, spend the money and move on. Because that's the price. If it's too much, wait 18 months or so for a price drop. It won't kill you. Or take on a second (or first) job if you have no patience.


The big issue that so many people are overlooking is Sony's scheming to push their blu-ray into homes, to edge HD out as the next industry standard. Remember, this is their technology which they spent gobs of money and man hours on R&D for. They want this to be the next industry standard in order to not just recoup their investment, but to make gobs of money on the patent...

Look, Joe and Martha Smith drop $600 on a PS3 to make Joe, Martha or Joe Jr happy. Joe and Martha Smith now own not just a new video game console but oooh la la! they own a Blu-Ray player as well!

I put it to you: How likely is it that they now drop another $500+ on an HD player? Answer: Not very.

The follow up question is then: Will Joe and Martha Smith now buy HD or Blu-Ray dvds? Answer: Blu-Ray dvds. (you did figure this out, right?)

So we're looking at a significant number of Blu-Ray players making their way into hundreds of thousands of households around the globe in the upcoming year. (Hundreds of thousands of households who may not have even considered investing in a next gen DVD player for another 18-24+ months, because what's on the shelves at the time are very pricey second gen HD/Blu-Ray players... it's generally not until 4th generation when prices begin to drop so significantly that a piece of hardware such as this starts to sell in large numbers.) Buena Vista, MGM, Warner Brothers, et cetara see this very sizable market, and realize it's in their interest to publish their movies NOT on HD, but Blu-Ray.

It's VERY good business from their stand point.

Me? I find Blu-Ray inferior to HD, but the ultimate result will be Blu-Ray being the next industry standard. While I'm not thrilled about it, I remain optimistic by looking forward to buying cheap used copies of anime DVDs as people buy the republished Blu-Ray editions in the upcoming years.


"Please. Hold your applause."
-Nick Kang

[whoknows]

Kojima doesn't like ports? Right. You are aware that the Metal Gear franchise would never have taken off if it's original title (MSX computer) wasn't ported to the NES, aren't you? But hey, if you can supply me with a credible source other than reporting what you heard from a friend or some retailer working in a video game shop, I'd be happy to read it.

Kojima did call the NES version of Metal Gear garbage on the Metal Gear Saga DVD.

Also, I forget where I read it, he says it takes too much effort to port a game...I'm sure someone knows which article I am talking about since it was posted on CAG.

[guinaevere]

Pilotwings64 was a snore to put it mildly.
Some of us enjoyed PW. But I understand most folks don't have the skill patience for flight sims.

[guinaevere]

Kojima did call the NES version of Metal Gear garbage on the Metal Gear Saga DVD.
And of what relevence is that? It brought the title to a system which was vastly more popular, and it sold great numbers for the time. More to the point, it STARTED the trend of porting many of the MG franchise titles... it didn't END it. So he can say it's garbage now. He may even have thought it at the time. But I'd prefer he put his money where his mouth is. If he truly believed a port were garbage, then that would have been the last time his game was ported.

Also, I forget where I read it, he says it takes too much effort to port a game...I'm sure someone knows which article I am talking about since it was posted on CAG.Too much effort for his liking, or too much effort to continue the practice?

It's possible I'm wrong and that Hideo said he won't be furthering the practice of ports for this franchise. But even if he has stated this catagorically, I won't believe it. I've seen too often over the years companies saying they'd never work with XYZ again, that they're giving exclusive rights to ABC... and see that statement spun and/or blatantly contradicted in the following months/years.

[argyle]

I'm gonna get one at launch, but I definitely won't be in the majority.


...only because the majority won't be able to get their hands on one. I swung by FYE the other day & put my money down on one (probably not the most reliable store for getting a day-1 system, but my philosophy is to put my name down everywhere I can & hope at least one pans out). Anyway, I was talking to the kid working there and he out of the blue makes the comment to me "Well, you couldn't give me a 360..". I mentally marked him down as YET ANOTHER random person I've run into that has zero interest in MS's console but is very interested in Sony's.

I go to EB & glance at the 360 shelves, and I see a slim selection consisting mainly of sports games & shooters, many of which are pc ports. And I wonder to myself "how exactly are they setting this system apart from the Xbox?" The answer, of course, is that they aren't.

I have no love for either of the actual companies. Sony is pushing blu-ray, MS is pushing Vista. But Sony has the games I'm interested in, because anyone can see they will have the lion's share of the Japanese support. So while $600 for a system is expensive, $400 for a system that doesn't play the games I want is a complete waste of money.

Ah well, it still amuses me to read on message boards where people are predicting the end of the Playstation name. Let's have this conversation again in a year or so, shall we? :)

[CappyCobra]

Some of us enjoyed PW. But I understand most folks don't have the skill patience for flight sims. I respect that you enjoyed PW64, but the whole point I was making was that Mario64 was soldout so PW sold by default. PW64 doesn't have the mass appeal that M64 had. Having two games at launch is a pisspoor selection period. Regardless if one of those games defined the standard of platformers.

If you're going to respond to the WHOLE post I made, take the horse blinders off and defend the N64 launch. They had less games initally available, less quantity (hence why SW:SOTE was selling used for 80 since you couldn't find a new one), and less frequency of game releases.

You can't defend it because it's true. Do not mistakenly take my statements for N64 bashing. The truth is the truth no matter how hard you try to spin it. All three systems of that generation were disappointing at certain generes, it's just that Sony had more rounds (games) to fire, so it had more chances to hit. But it also had alot more crap games to go along with it. For every one that was a hit, there were 10 that were <Fill in the blank ;)>. Saturn was actutally out selling N64 in Japan and may have done the same if Sega Of America woke the hell up and started localizing more 2D titles and play to the system's strengths, the Saturn would have done alot better in the states.

Back on topic: With the Exception of the BluRay drive, Sony has nothing unqiue (Besides the giant mutant craps in feudal Japan :lol:) to distinguish itself from it's competitors. And with the $200 premium difference in price compared to it closest competitor, it further wedges it away from the mainstream consumer.

[yester]

Kojima doesn't like ports? Right. You are aware that the Metal Gear franchise would never have taken off if it's original title (MSX computer) wasn't ported to the NES, aren't you? But hey, if you can supply me with a credible source other than reporting what you heard from a friend or some retailer working in a video game shop, I'd be happy to read it.


Sugar, Konami is a business, and they are full aware that their ports (including but not at all limited to MGS) have always brought in additional profit, which is why they have continued to port their games from one system to another.

And if anyone hasn't been paying attention to the Wii Smash Brothers promo, the first non-Nintendo character who showed up hiding in a box was who boys and girls? That's right! Solid Snake! So if anyone is thinking that the MGS titles will be strictly Sony exclusives in the next console generation, you're sadly mistaken. Or do you think Nintendo is advertising Konami's heavy hitter out of the kindness of their hearts with no alternate motive?


I remember Kojima saying a while ago, that he is indeed impressed with the (formaerly) revolution and stating on eventually developing a game for it.
Maybe we will see a game from him on the Wii. Would be cool indeed.

[ragtop70]

What lies is the OP referring to? Please provide links. I don't doubt we've been lied to, but I just don't know what the lies were about.
If people let lies keep them from buying a system, Microsoft wouldn't have sold a 360. Remember the promises of standard hard drives, wireless controllers, etc. Sure, they're "standard" if you buy the Premium system.

[Daddy]

Well even IGN (which is soooo PS fanboy its not even funny) had this to say for E3 reviews:

Sony, you broke our hearts. Before the press conference, a lot of people thought that this could be the year that Sony placed so much distance between itself and its competitors that they'd automatically be declared the next-gen winner. Instead, the conference cast a ton of doubt on just about everything. From the extreme boredom that set in when the Gran Turismo HD demo ran too long to showing lackluster titles at their press conference, Sony let the momentum they built up from last year literally fade away. No Killzone or Devil May Cry (and no apology to their absence) had people scratching their heads, while other viewers couldn't get over the wii-tarded demonstration of the "additional" motion sensing controller, which seemed to "borrow" just about everything from Sony's competition (while killing vibration at the same time).

The price of the console gave lots of players around the world a heart attack as they tried to figure out how they could pay down for it come this November. Plus, the discovery of the 20 gig system missing key hardware features turned the dual price point argument into a point of ridicule for many supporters of the platform. Not the best start to the 2006 show by any means.

[Metal Boss]

Yeah, but IGN sucks...


I've read better reviews at gamefaqs, and I've seen less ads at a gang bukkake site directory.

[guinaevere]

PW64 doesn't have the mass appeal that M64 had. Having two games at launch is a pisspoor selection period.
I never implied otherwise. On either count. I was just making a snide comment about flight sims.

If you're going to respond to the WHOLE post I made, take the horse blinders off and defend the N64 launch.
No blinders on, trust me. I have always liked Nintendos systems and their games, but I wasn't making ANY comment about the launch lineup.

(hence why SW:SOTE was selling used for 80 since you couldn't find a new one), and less frequency of game releases.
Speaking of which, my buddy Lord Dalek from toonzone.net had the brilliant idea of bringing Shadows of the Empire to the DS. I want that to happen.


Other than that, I'd love to argue with you, but we really don't have anything that we're disagreeing on... other than flight sims. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/guinaevere/smilies/wooper.gif

[jer7583]

I for one loved pilotwings 64 and i still enjoy it. Something about that game is just relaxing. Plus flying around and exploring little america was unlike anything else at the time.

Then you have Mario 64, which every 3D platformer since used as a basis for control, camera, level design, etc.

My cousins/friends and I played the hell out of 64 games.. probably because there were so few, but we got our money's worth out of SOTE, WaveRace, Mario Kart, Goldeneye... etc. The multiplayer on a lot of those titles was priceless.

Back on point, I don't understand supporting sony's decision to significantly increase console prices past their typical $300-400 limit. Oh well, some people just want to have that status symbol in their house.

[Daddy]

Off the record N64 only had 2 games at launch and is still one of the most successful launches ever....thats funny shizzle

[daroga]

Off the record N64 only had 2 games at launch and is still one of the most successful launches ever....thats funny shizzle
What? On what grounds was it the one of the most successful launches ever?

[Daddy]

What? On what grounds was it the one of the most successful launches ever?


"thats funny shizzle" hence I think thats a funny statement...I guess you could say it was b/c it sold with only 2 launch titles but besides that its funny

[jer7583]

What? On what grounds was it the one of the most successful launches ever?

I had a hell of a time getting one that christmas when it came out. Games were even harder to find. I'd say that is successful. It launched with two games, but Mario 64 was that good that people had to have the system.

[graf1k]

Why the hell does everyone care so much about Killzone? Before last year's trailer I don't think most people cared about Killzone at all if they had even heard of it. And the game is never going to live up to that trailer in any way. That's why they didn't show it.

[Daddy]

Why the hell does everyone care so much about Killzone? Before last year's trailer I don't think most people cared about Killzone at all if they had even heard of it. And the game is never going to live up to that trailer in any way. That's why they didn't show it.


OK agreed...i guess some posted about this?.....SONY are hype mongering Lairs....agreed...it was a low blow to show that last year and fool the general public....now the price is a double punch to the nuts even harder this year....back to back shite E3's for SONY

[MarioColbert]

I don't think that you can draw some imaginary lines between PS3 and Nintendo's N64 flop. PS1 gave gamers something that N64 did not have, and the developers jumped on board with little hesitation. It wasn't something as meaningless as HD playback, it was CD support with great hardware. PS2 inclusion of a DVD player ability was a genius marketing move: tons of households bought it as a DVD player for their kids to put to their own room. You knew that, though.

At this point in time, despite the fact that Sony's PS3 doesn't include hardware that most care about (at least most of gamers here expressed that BlueRay does nothing for them), it does not have the competition that PS1 had given N64. And PS1 gave N64 a run for it's money. Now, I find the price to be ludicrous, but it does not imply that all of a sudden everyone will run towards Wii. Sure, PS3 may not be "the answer," but most people out there are not really asking any questions. PS3 wins by numbers, fair and square. The only number that is high that is not good for them, unfortunately, is the price.

"MGS4. QED." is the best answer I heard to most (if not all) anti-Sony arguments.

[solid snake]

OK agreed...i guess some posted about this?.....SONY are hype mongering Lairs....agreed...it was a low blow to show that last year and fool the general public....now the price is a double punch to the nuts even harder this year....back to back shite E3's for SONY
your right,but so is microsoft.
and the reason i am getting the ps3 is because they will have a better online network setup than Xbox 360 and we wont have to pay for it,
plus to me it looks alot cooler than other systems ,i like the controllers more than anyother systems and they have all the games i love ,mgs4,Killzone,Hitman,and gta4,plus i hate how gimmicky nintendo is
they are all o0oo0o000oohhh we have new controller this best thing eva,you move you controller to play game on new nintendo with gamecube graphics. what i am saying sony has actually tried to make some improvements,allso its the only one thats going to be backwards compatiable if i remember right.

[Genocidal]

Now I know you're just trying to troll. I can't believe that you'd honestly think everything you typed there is true.

[Metal Boss]

Now I know you're just trying to troll. I can't believe that you'd honestly think everything you typed there is true.


Maybe you could translate it for the rest of us.

[solid snake]

Now I know you're just trying to troll. I can't believe that you'd honestly think everything you typed there is true.

Name one thing thats not true in my post.
whats wrong with what i said?
nintendo is just trying to make money with that new gimmicky controller, and i hate that sony ditched the dual shock to follow,why do i want to have to move the controller to play games when it has buttons and analog sticks?
I like nintendo and all its just i think they shouldve made the graphics a little better, and not done the motion sensor thing. it saddens me that sony is following.




and btw just so you guys all know that was my cousin that posted in that other thread so dont judge me on what ever he said.

[Dr Mario Kart]

All the details regarding Sony's online solution have not been disclosed yet. You cant accurately say its better yet.

Everyone has backwards compatibility. The Wii plays Gamecube games as well as the back catalogue all the way back to the NES as well as Genesis and TurboGrafx games.

The 360 of course plays a lot & an ever increasing number of xbox games.

I expect the PS1/2 compatibility to be better than the 360 situation, but not perfect. The PS2 already doesnt play a couple PS1 games.

Gimmicky is just an opinion. The Japanese dont seem to think the DS is very gimmicky.

Normally I'd just let RF or Strell handle you, but I'm bored.

[MarioColbert]

This is a GTA-addict speech. I'm a linguist by trade, so I am happy to translate:

your right,but so is microsoft.
It appears that Microsoft is to your right.


and the reason i am getting the ps3 is because they will have a better online network setup than Xbox 360 and we wont have to pay for it,

The key words to read here are: Better Online Network Setup. I agree. Everything Sony had said about it made me believe that they know what they are doing, and that it will be, well, for the lack of a better term, uh... BETTER. Better than Jesus.


what i am saying sony has actually tried to make some improvements,allso its the only one thats going to be backwards compatiable if i remember right.
Yes, PS3 is the only system that will be backwards compatible this time around. Nobody else has announced anything at all remotely concerning playing older games on new consoles.

:applause: Very good research, Solid Snake. You get MarioColbert's medal of approval. I wonder if you do any writing on the side: your style is exactly what I will need to reach frat houses and potheads everywhere. I'm wondering if you would like to get a little paid on the side to write advertisements for Sony's PS3. If you accept, I have a keyboard that has been used as a skateboard before. I'm sure the "random caps lock" problem will add further visual appeal of your writing before it is distributed to the masses.

I've also seen you on the official Sony PlayStation 3 trailer. Despite the fact that the lines they've given you were rather lackluster (I will beat you because... I DON'T KNOW?) you worked very well with those. I'd like to see your words and acting more. If you are interested in becoming Sony's official mascot, please send me a private message. Please make sure to include "SolidSnake:RememberHiroshimaLOL" in the subject line.

[lionheart4life]

nintendo is just trying to make money with that new gimmicky controller

No kidding. I think any company that launches a console ultimately hopes to make money. The 360 is probably the system that I wanted the least, but seems to be delivering the most of what I wanted out of this next gen.

PS3 shouldn't even bother with a half-assed motion sensor controller. They should have just kept the vibration function, or created a new way to keep that feature that didn't violate copyrights. It was actually useful in a lot of games.

The Wii-mote isn't as exciting as a lot of people are making it out to be. All those games that are out now with plug-and-play sport controllers are really stupid. There's no reason to believe that making a throwing motion with that little stick is going to simulate tossing a football, or that swinging like a baseball bat or sword will be any fun. If they make some kind of tennis game using it it will basically be combining the Virtual Boy with a cheesy tennis controller, complete crap. Luckily Nintendo was smart enough to make sure that a traditional controller can be used with the system. I don't know, the idea just sounds stupid to me but I can't completely bury it until I try it.

I think the 360 is going the right way with this, just making a traditional system that expands and improves on their previous one.

[Apossum]

With everything we know now from Phil Harrison lies to missing components and empty promises does anyone think SONY will end up in a good position? I STILL cant understand why everyone who wants a PS3 is happy about a Blu-Ray player being included...I mean its a combo electronic device (BIG NO-NO) if your PS3 breaks then your movie player is broken too...who the hell buys combo devices? Old people do.....thats about it


if they have as good of software support as they did with the PS2, then yeah I'll buy it.

why do you worry so much about consoles? you argue about them like people argue about politics and sports teams. go get some fresh air. it's really not important. if you like your 360, then the purchase is justified, no?

[solid snake]

All the details regarding Sony's online solution have not been disclosed yet. You cant accurately say its better yet.

Everyone has backwards compatibility. The Wii plays Gamecube games as well as the back catalogue all the way back to the NES as well as Genesis and TurboGrafx games.

The 360 of course plays a lot & an ever increasing number of xbox games.

I expect the PS1/2 compatibility to be better than the 360 situation, but not perfect. The PS2 already doesnt play a couple PS1 games.

Gimmicky is just an opinion. The Japanese dont seem to think the DS is very gimmicky.

Normally I'd just let RF or Strell handle you, but I'm bored.
well the last thing i had heard is that the Xbox 360 melts and cathes fire,and it wont play alot of its previous games.btw this info is all from the owner of a game store i talk to, and my friend that just bought a 360 said i would be better off just waiting on the ps3. he said the 360 gets hot enough to cook a egg on allso so this is another reason i am gonna stay with sony but i am a little disapointed about there show at e3 it was basicallya yawn fest other than the mgs4 trailer,and them showing what the online network community will be like.

[CappyCobra]

well the last thing i had heard is that the Xbox 360 melts and cathes fire,and it wont play alot of its previous games.btw this info is all from the owner of a game store i talk to, and my friend that just bought a 360 said i would be better off just waiting on the ps3. he said the 360 gets hot enough to cook a egg on allso so this is another reason i am gonna stay with sony but i am a little disapointed about there show at e3 it was basicallya yawn fest other than the mgs4 trailer,and them showing what the online network community will be like.

In 2nd grade, I heard that if you touch a girl, you'll get coodies! :roll:

You want to talk about hardware track records? Who had the most revisions? (You have 5 seconds)
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Give up?
It was Sony! The had TWELVE hardware revisions! Xbox had THREE.

[omegaweapon7]

look im a rpg fan, especially jrpgs, so guess what, i dont have a choice but buy a ps3, I mean N64 and cube had what, 5 rpgs total? and xbox just plain sucks when i already have a good PC.

[solid snake]

In 2nd grade, I heard that if you touch a girl, you'll get coodies! :roll:

You want to talk about hardware track records? Who had the most revisions? (You have 5 seconds)
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Give up?
It was Sony! The had TWELVE hardware revisions! Xbox had THREE.
well i am just glad THEY didnt have twelve and THE had 12 instead.

[Genocidal]

well the last thing i had heard is that the Xbox 360 melts and cathes fire,and it wont play alot of its previous games.btw this info is all from the owner of a game store i talk to, and my friend that just bought a 360 said i would be better off just waiting on the ps3. he said the 360 gets hot enough to cook a egg on allso so this is another reason i am gonna stay with sony but i am a little disapointed about there show at e3 it was basicallya yawn fest other than the mgs4 trailer,and them showing what the online network community will be like.

Good thing the 360 doesn't CATCH on fire and it CATHES on fire instead. We could've had a real safety hazard otherwise.

[CappyCobra]

well i am just glad THEY didnt have twelve and THE had 12 instead. Now you're resorting to being a grammar nazi. I can play that too. (this is within your last 3 posts)
well the last thing i had heard is that the Xbox 360 melts and cathes fire,and it wont play alot of its previous games.btw this info is all from the owner of a game store i talk to, and my friend that just bought a 360 said i would be better off just waiting on the ps3. he said the 360 gets hot enough to cook a egg on allso so this is another reason i am gonna stay with sony but i am a little disapointed about there show at e3 it was basicallya yawn fest other than the mgs4 trailer,and them showing what the online network community will be like. I'm sorry, did the TRUTH break your concentration? Stick to what you know son. Oh weight... err waight umm wait, yeah that's it :dunce:

[solid snake]

Now you're resorting to being a grammar nazi. I can play that too. (this is within your last 3 posts)
I'm sorry, did the TRUTH break your concentration? Stick to what you know son. Oh weight... err waight umm wait, yeah that's it :dunce:
man i am getting attacked andi did that to you because everyone else is doing it to me but i give up,you guys are all to immature to even have a conversation with.

[CappyCobra]

man i am getting attacked andi did that to you because everyone else is doing it to me but i give up,you guys are all to immature to even have a conversation with.
Just because everyone else is doing it, doesn't make it right. If your friends jumped off a bridge... :lol:

Seriously though, if you want to have a DEBATE, leave the name calling at home and bring just the facts. Leave the BS at home.

[solid snake]

Just because everyone else is doing it, doesn't make it right. If your friends jumped off a bridge... :lol:

Seriously though, if you want to have a DEBATE, leave the name calling at home and bring just the facts. Leave the BS at home.
name calling?
sir,what is all this of name calling?
I said you are all being immature , thats not a name.

[CappyCobra]

name calling?
sir,what is all this of name calling?
I said you are all being immature , thats not a name.
You're labeling us as immature. Sounds like namecalling to me

[Daddy]

All I can say is i forgot to add the fact about SONY not letting anyone rent at any PS3 games at any stores IE Blockbuster ect......add that to the list of BS that SONY is pulling

EDIT: I should say not rent my bad...either way i dont need to add it to the list of BS from SONY they already shoot themselves up enough

[Metal Boss]

All I can say is i forgot to add the fact about SONY not letting anyone sell used copies of there games or having the games for rent at any stores...add that to the list of BS that SONY is pulling


Not confirmed, what did you just read the thread above this one and add it to your lil special list of pointers?


C'mon, think about the BS you're typing before you post about the BS that isn't confirmed :bouncy:

[Walt Jay]

For me, the "real" system and one game is going to be over $700 after tax. That's just insane. I understand that there's probably $1000 worth of technology in there, but I'm buying a game system for games. I have no need for a BluRay player when DVDs look great on my TV.

I love games and have been playing them for over two decades, but I have to draw the line somewhere. I may pick one up down the line, but count me out for now. My 360, which I had second thoughts about even at $400, will be good enough. Sorry Sony!

[FriskyTanuki]

All I can say is i forgot to add the fact about SONY not letting anyone sell used copies of there games or having the games for rent at any stores...add that to the list of BS that SONY is pulling
What list? :-s

[Genocidal]

The list that he's come up with in his mind that obviously everyone should know, because clearly everyone rides Microsoft's nuts as hard as he does.

I don't really like Sony, but I also don't like people who spout uninformed bullshit.

[A Happy Panda]

The list doesn't exist. It's a rumor that is unconfirmed.

solid snake make me laugh. Reminds me of the days when I was 13 and used to act like I knew what I was talking about on online forums, gosh, I miss those ignorant days.

You should also include a poll that has the option "I'm still on the fence, but if time comes, and the games and features are right, I'll bite"

[solid snake]

solid snake make me laugh. Reminds me of the days when I was 13 and used to act like I knew what I was talking about on online forums, gosh, I miss those ignorant days.
"
sounds like you still are and there is absolutly no need to attack me,you guys are like pitbulls you take pleasure in tearing a innocent person apart .

[solid snake]

All I can say is i forgot to add the fact about SONY not letting anyone sell used copies of there games or having the games for rent at any stores...add that to the list of BS that SONY is pulling


WTF!!!!:bomb:
and where and when did sony say this?

[A Happy Panda]

Kid, you must be retarded....several people on have already said that it's a goddamn rumor.

[Daddy]

Kid, you must be retarded....several people on have already said that it's a goddamn rumor.


Yeah i re-edited my post it should say for rent....they said they will not be allowing the games for rent....wether or not its 100% true we shall see...again alot of the stuff people were speculating about bad PS3 stuff came true...they dropped parts and features, copied ALL their competition, priced the system at 600 bucks (way out of line), didnt show their Killzone lies from last year in the form of ACTUAL GAMEPLAY... either way I can keep going...that boat is sinking...and as far as an option for "on the fence" its called wait 1-3 years try reading.....and again the numbers speak for themselves in this poll....most people are waiting...the ones who arent are either saying screw SONY or selling the system to dumbasses on EBAY for a profit

[jer7583]

It makes me a sad panda to see 51 so-called Cheap Ass Gamers lining up for a $600 console. You should be ashamed.

[solid snake]

It makes me a sad panda to see 51 so-called Cheap Ass Gamers lining up for a $600 console. You should be ashamed.
it makes me sad that you will be missing out on it since you hate it so much.

[Metal Boss]

it makes me sad that you will be missing out on it since you hate it so much.


While I think your posts have been mostly idiotic, you make a good point.

out of all the consoles I have ever owned my PS2 has recieved most of my game time... Quite simply put, these mistakes are worth negating because of the content that the system will produce.

[guinaevere]

The DRM (Digital Rights Management) news goes back to 2nd and 3rd quarter of 2005 (probably earlier), but the latest article I've seen stated that the PS3 will be utilizing this encryption is from Game Informer (yes, I'm embarrased to admit I occasionally read this rag) a couple months back.

If you don't know what DRM does, it encodes software to hardware.

Meaning, I rent a copy of Generic RPG mach 1, and I play it on my PS3. I like it. So after returning it to the shop, I decide to buy a copy at the store of my choice. I go to play my copy of Generic RPG mach 1, and guess what? It won't play. Because it's a different copy of the game than I originally played on my machine.


Further info on DRM can be found here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management). Not wholly accurate, but close enough for a short synopsis.

[The Mana Knight]

Yes, I will always support Sony. I won't buy a PS3 at launch, but I'm not buying a Wii either at launch, and I probably won't get an X360 for a while. The reason I will support Sony is that they've always been very good to me, as a member of the GAP and Playstation Underground since the beginning. PS1/PS2 are the two best consoles I've ever owned and the PSP is becoming my favorite handheld ever (the only handheld I actually play a lot). Also, I own lots of other Sony products, like a Sony PC (Best PC I ever owned), so there's no way I'm ditching Sony. I plan to support them as long as they're around.

Plus
Japanese products > american products.

[solid snake]

Yes, I will always support Sony. I won't buy a PS3 at launch, but I'm not buying a Wii either at launch, and I probably won't get an X360 for a while. The reason I will support Sony is that they've always been very good to me, as a member of the GAP and Playstation Underground since the beginning. PS1/PS2 are the two best consoles I've ever owned and the PSP is becoming my favorite handheld ever (the only handheld I actually play a lot). Also, I own lots of other Sony products, like a Sony PC (Best PC I ever owned), so there's no way I'm ditching Sony. I plan to support them as long as they're around.

Plus
Japanese products > american products.
hey I am on the gap as well, and i totally agree with you.

[apokalipze2]

Yes, I will always support Sony. I won't buy a PS3 at launch, but I'm not buying a Wii either at launch, and I probably won't get an X360 for a while. The reason I will support Sony is that they've always been very good to me, as a member of the GAP and Playstation Underground since the beginning. PS1/PS2 are the two best consoles I've ever owned and the PSP is becoming my favorite handheld ever (the only handheld I actually play a lot). Also, I own lots of other Sony products, like a Sony PC (Best PC I ever owned), so there's no way I'm ditching Sony. I plan to support them as long as they're around.

Plus
Japanese products > american products.
How does that japanese cock taste in your mouth

[graf1k]

Japanese products > american products.
Too bad their both manufactured in fucking Taiwan.

[solid snake]

How does that japanese cock taste in your mouth
people cant even express there opinions on this board with out getting attacked by sony haters.
he never said anything to get attacked, he stated an opinion so take your boyfriends cock out of your mouth and stop thinking about cock so much.

[apokalipze2]

It's still cockriding puss. It needs to be pointed out8-)

[exRounder]

MGS4 is the clincher. I'll wait till that comes out and hopefully, there'll be enough by then because no matter what, there's gonna be a shortage again.

[Grave_Addiction]

Has anyone wondered what will happen to the PS3 if Blu-Ray fails to become the standard? What will Sony do with the PS3?

[A Happy Panda]

Make games for it? UMD movies are failing miserably but Sony doesn't seem to care.

[jer7583]

I love the kids who have this irrational love for all things japanese.. Like sony is superior somehow because they're sony. They're a greedy fucking corporation, just like everything else. Get a life.

And I don't think I'm missing out on anything by not buying a $600 PS3, because I'll buy it when it is under $200, preferably used, and snatch up all the good games that were made for it on the cheap as well. Until then, the previous gen, Wii, and 360 are far more than enough gaming.

I still don't understand how anyone could enjoy the PSP. Loading times on a handheld.. I'm at a loss to describe how dissapointing and retarded that is.

[jer7583]

people cant even express there opinions on this board with out getting attacked by sony haters.
he never said anything to get attacked, he stated an opinion so take your boyfriends cock out of your mouth and stop thinking about cock so much.

Kid, go back to gamefaqs, seriously. Sony haters is an entirely different thing than haters of a $600 console with a notorious track record of lies, unreliable hardware, and watered down versions of what other consoles innovated in.

I love my PSOne and PS2. I have hundreds of PSOne games and a PSOne with LCD sitting on my desk next to my laptop that I use all the time. But I don't suck Sony's dick when they shove it in my face with lies and a $600 price tag. Grow up.

[solid snake]

Kid, go back to gamefaqs, seriously. Sony haters is an entirely different thing than haters of a $600 console with a notorious track record of lies, unreliable hardware, and watered down versions of what other consoles innovated in.

I love my PSOne and PS2. I have hundreds of PSOne games and a PSOne with LCD sitting on my desk next to my laptop that I use all the time. But I don't suck Sony's dick when they shove it in my face with lies and a $600 price tag. Grow up.
hm sounds like your the one that needs to grow up,and stop thinking about Dicks all the time.

[terribledeli]

Hm, sounds like you're the one that needs to grow up and stop thinking about dicks all the time.

Better.

But Jer has a point. Anyone who wasn't angry/disappointed when Sony unveiled their price point is lying to themselves. Its $600 for something many of us consider a casual purchase product.

[solid snake]

Better.

But Jer has a point. Anyone who wasn't angry/disappointed when Sony unveiled their price point is lying to themselves. Its $600 for something many of us consider a casual purchase product.
I actually expected to be about $500 to $600 just because of all the cool stuff,
and i really think its going to be worth it,i mean it should surpass the wii,and maybe even the 360 in terms of games and graphics,PS has alot of games people like. Plus it has been around longer than Microsoft on the console gaming scene so really sony knows more about what its gamers like and dont like.
The price dosent bother me much as long as it has games like mgs,killzone,and gran turismo ill stick with my ps3.

[Greetard]

I actually expected to be about $500 to $600 just because of all the cool stuff,
and i really think its going to be worth it,i mean it should surpass the wii,and maybe even the 360 in terms of games and graphics,PS has alot of games people like. Plus it has been around longer than Microsoft on the console gaming scene so really sony knows more about what its gamers like and dont like.The price dosent bother me much as long as it has games like mgs,killzone,and gran turismo ill stick with my ps3.

Gamers know what gamers want much better than Sony, and most of us want a cheaper console.

[solid snake]

Gamers know what gamers want much better than Sony, and most of us want a cheaper console.
will the reason i say that is because i am part of there gamer advisory pannel and they seem to listen well to our ideas and suggestions,but i am not saying i would mind if it was cheaper but i mean its a decent price for something with all that stuff in it.

[FriskyTanuki]

Gamers know what gamers want much better than Sony, and most of us want a cheaper console.
Say hello to the PS2. ;)

[apokalipze2]

will the reason i say that is because i am part of there gamer advisory pannel and they seem to listen well to our ideas and suggestions,but i am not saying i would mind if it was cheaper but i mean its a decent price for something with all that stuff in it.How the fuck do they listen to your ideas:lol: By doing random surveys:roll: all of them having nothing to do with the ps3. stfu and stop trying to soud elite with that gap shit, it means nothing

[solid snake]

How the fuck do they listen to your ideas:lol: By doing random surveys:roll: all of them having nothing to do with the ps3. stfu and stop trying to soud elite with that gap shit, it means nothing
mmm no i do more than the surveys you speak of,I have tested games and other random things for them and they seem to listen and to have taken some suggestions seriously.

[Metal Boss]

I didn't think solidsnake came off as "ELITE", he is right, GAP is a pretty neat little tool in my opinion, they get you alot more involved than just using surveys, you comment on the games content, bugs, and just generally things that can be improved. It was used heavily with the socom seires , ratchet and clank series, jak games...etc,


I think its great that they are getting gamers opinions to improve their games...

[solid snake]

I didn't think solidsnake came off as "ELITE", he is right, GAP is a pretty neat little tool in my opinion, they get you alot more involved than just using surveys, you comment on the games content, bugs, and just generally things that can be improved. It was used heavily with the socom seires , ratchet and clank series, jak games...etc,


I think its great that they are getting gamers opinions to improve their games...
at least you can understand me.

[Daddy]

I love the kids who have this irrational love for all things japanese.. Like sony is superior somehow because they're sony. They're a greedy fucking corporation, just like everything else. Get a life.

And I don't think I'm missing out on anything by not buying a $600 PS3, because I'll buy it when it is under $200, preferably used, and snatch up all the good games that were made for it on the cheap as well. Until then, the previous gen, Wii, and 360 are far more than enough gaming.

I still don't understand how anyone could enjoy the PSP. Loading times on a handheld.. I'm at a loss to describe how dissapointing and retarded that is.


Hahah, that reminds me of the pokemon South Park Episode....Ohh American are so superior...have such ginormous penis...not like us asians with such small penis...babahbaha

[PrivatePixel]

Gamers know what gamers want much better than Sony, and most of us want a cheaper console.

Who doesn't want a more affordable console? :roll: Those of us who would like a PS3 at launch need to, or have already accepted the reality that the price of being an early adopter is high. How else are the three companies involved with the R&D of the Cell (with over a billion dollars invested) and the members in the Blu-ray consortium (with the R&D of the Blu-ray format) going to recuperate their investments? It would have been easy for Sony to toss in a 12x DVD-ROM drive (like MS did with the 360), but they had loftier goals for the PS3. Whether or not they were overly ambitious in their foresight with the PS3 remains to be seen.

The 360 is a viable, less costlier alternative for those who believe that the PS3 is out of their reach. I will buy one myself when the games I want to play become available (sometime in 2007). As an avid movie viewer and longtime gamer, the PS3 offers me the best of both worlds, which is why I plan on picking one up at launch. Would I have preferred a full-fledged console that was $100-150 less than the $600 MSRP? Absolutely! Since perception and reality aren't one and the same, I have resigned myself to the acceptance of the $600 price point. It's a tough pill to swallow, even for someone who works full-time, but what can you do; c'est la vie.

[jer7583]

but what can you do; c'est la vie.

How about uhh.. not buy a PS3 at launch? Why is it anyone who makes the arguement that the price is there for a reason acts like they're powerless to wait for a price drop, or *gasp* try the competition? Patience is a virtue..

[Daddy]

How about uhh.. not buy a PS3 at launch? Why is it anyone who makes the arguement that the price is there for a reason acts like they're powerless to wait for a price drop, or *gasp* try the competition? Patience is a virtue..


I think its even funnier privatepixel says the price is fine but wont buy one till "sometime" in 2007 when there are games for it...lol

[PrivatePixel]

I think its even funnier privatepixel says the price is fine but wont buy one till "sometime" in 2007 when there are games for it...lol

Comprehension > you. :roll:

I have every intention of buying a PS3 at launch; it's the 360 that I don't plan on buying till next year. I'm not going to shell out $400 for a proverbial paperweight; if the games I want to play aren't scheduled for release until next year, why spend the money now?

[Daddy]

Comprehension > you. :roll:

I have every intention of buying a PS3 at launch; it's the 360 that I don't plan on buying till next year. I'm not going to shell out $400 for a proverbial paperweight; if the games I want to play aren't scheduled for release until next year, why spend the money now?


Either way if you think 360 has no games by now and you say none till 2007.... then PS3 wont have games till 2008 by your calculations...bahbahbab

Still wrong > You :roll:


The only game that totally blows on 360 is....RIDGE RACER...go figure

[Metal Boss]

Yeah, and I'm playing all the good ones on my pc. ;)

[whoknows]

Yeah, and I'm playing all the good ones on my pc. ;)
Zing!

[DarkNessBear]

Everyone that uses the excuse, "I will not purchase a 600 console!" Is full of bull-shaq'fu crap... Only reason to use that excuse is if you are just doing a quick "bash" of the PS3.

1. Purchase the $499 dollar one. And if you want the $600 one because of the HDMI ports, then you must have a 60'' or a 1080p TV, and if thats true. You got money flying out of your anus...
2. You must definetally spent $500 dollars on the 360 at launch. If not, congratulations you got a useless console! (Not to say it isnt usless with games...)
3. If you did spend over $500 dollars at launch you probably bought extra controllers or games. (And those extra 3 controllers you purchased... yea PDZ sucks, and Oblivion doesnt have split screen, and GRAW's 4 player split screen is insufficient.) And if you did, wouldnt you rather subsitute those mediocore crap games for the ability to play Blu-Ray disks and an Internal Hardrive and free online? I sure would...

I for one am buying a PS3 on Launch.

[Genocidal]

For $600 with an XBox 360 you can get:
- Premium System
- Extra Controller
- 2 games
- Warranty

For $600 with a PS3 you can get:
- Premium System

Let's be honest here, with how 'reliable' Sony's systems have been at launch before, you're going to want a warranty (and if not, you're a fool). Tack on $50. Another controller? Another $50. How about games? You're definitely going to need some of those. At $50-60 a piece for games, you're looking at EASILY $700, and more realistically $800 to make the jump to the next-gen with Sony. All my quoted prices are pre-tax, of course. Better hope your state loves you, or you could be looking at upwards of $80 in tax, too.

It's good that you're willing to drop close to a grand for a system at launch. A lot of people aren't. I don't see that as a "bullshit" excuse at all.

[DarkNessBear]

For $600 with an XBox 360 you can get:
- Premium System
- Extra Controller
- 2 games
- Warranty

For $600 with a PS3 you can get:
- Premium System

Let's be honest here, with how 'reliable' Sony's systems have been at launch before, you're going to want a warranty (and if not, you're a fool). Tack on $50. Another controller? Another $50. How about games? You're definitely going to need some of those. At $50-60 a piece for games, you're looking at EASILY $700, and more realistically $800 to make the jump to the next-gen with Sony. All my quoted prices are pre-tax, of course. Better hope your state loves you, or you could be looking at upwards of $80 in tax, too.

It's good that you're willing to drop close to a grand for a system at launch. A lot of people aren't. I don't see that as a "bullshit" excuse at all.
Thanks for skipping over my post and only seeing the word, "Bullshit".

[Genocidal]

I read your whole post, and it came off as a bash of the 360, so I responded to the few parts that didn't strike me as flamebait.

[CappyCobra]

Everyone that uses the excuse, "I will not purchase a 600 console!" Is full of bull-shaq'fu crap... Only reason to use that excuse is if you are just doing a quick "bash" of the PS3. ...

Bullcrap. $600 is $600. Even $300 is too much. Some of us here have fucking bills to pay, mouths to feed. $199.99 is the magic price. By that time games will be aplenty and reasonably priced. WTF are you even on this site called CHEAPASSGAMER.COM? Correct me if I'm wrong, but most CAG's would be hardpressed to drop a $500-$600 nut for just a system

[DarkNessBear]

Bullcrap. $600 is $600. Even $300 is too much. Some of us here have fucking bills to pay, mouths to feed. $199.99 is the magic price. By that time games will be aplenty and reasonably priced. WTF are you even on this site called CHEAPASSGAMER.COM? Correct me if I'm wrong, but most CAG's would be hardpressed to drop a $500-$600 nut for just a system
Then why is there a PS3 section?

If noone is willing to drop the dough... then why even have this section?

Just to complain?

[Mid Boss]

Everyone that uses the excuse, "I will not purchase a 600 console!" Is full of bull-shaq'fu crap... Only reason to use that excuse is if you are just doing a quick "bash" of the PS3.

1. Purchase the $499 dollar one. And if you want the $600 one because of the HDMI ports, then you must have a 60'' or a 1080p TV, and if thats true. You got money flying out of your anus...

That's still a lot more to pay for the PS3 over the 360 and especially the Wii. I don't know about you, but, as a game system I don't see the PS3 doing THAT much more than the 360. And I certainly can't see justifying the AT LEAST $100 more for something that doesn't do all that much more than a cheaper, comparable product.

2. You must definetally spent $500 dollars on the 360 at launch. If not, congratulations you got a useless console! (Not to say it isnt usless with games...)

And to do the same with the PS3, assuming you settle for the cheaper $500 console, you'll still be paying $600 minimum for the PS3 and ONE game! With that amount you could just as easily get a premium 360, with an extra controller and 2-3 games. Or a Wii with an extra controller and 4-5 games.

3. If you did spend over $500 dollars at launch you probably bought extra controllers or games. (And those extra 3 controllers you purchased... yea PDZ sucks, and Oblivion doesnt have split screen, and GRAW's 4 player split screen is insufficient.) And if you did, wouldnt you rather subsitute those mediocore crap games for the ability to play Blu-Ray disks and an Internal Hardrive and free online? I sure would...

I for one am buying a PS3 on Launch.

Seems to me there are quite a few people out there who are very happy with those "crap games" on the 360.

And I really don't see Blu-Ray ias a great selling point. Blu-ray is not going to replace DVDs for anything except games on the PS3 and is only nice to have for movies if you have an HDTV, which most people still don't have and if they did they would have to get the $600 PS3 to properly use it.

[DarkNessBear]

That's still a lot more to pay for the PS3 over the 360 and especially the Wii. I don't know about you, but, as a game system I don't see the PS3 doing THAT much more than the 360. And I certainly can't see justifying the AT LEAST $100 more for something that doesn't do all that much more than a cheaper, comparable product.
Well then thats a matter of opinion. I find the PS3 a much more attractive deal then the 360. I purchased a 360, and I dont enjoy any of the games on it. And the Xbox, all that brought me was, Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive.

Cause I know, when I buy my PS3 the game quality will show until the very end. Not like Gamecube or Xbox that tired out of producing games. And PS2 is still pumping out amazing titles... Final Fantasy XII, God of War 2, Okami, Guitar Hero 2 anyone?

Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Shadow of Colousses, God of War, Silent Hill, Metal Gear Solid, Onimusha, Devil May Cry, Tenchu, Okami, Guitar Hero, Tekken, Jak, Ratchet, SSX, SOCOM, Gran Turismo, Zone of the Enders, Twisted Metal...

Are what keep me coming to Playstation products...


And to do the same with the PS3, assuming you settle for the cheaper $500 console, you'll still be paying $600 minimum for the PS3 and ONE game! With that amount you could just as easily get a premium 360, with an extra controller and 2-3 games. Or a Wii with an extra controller and 4-5 games.
Thats preference. I believe the PS3 is much more worth the price then the 360 is...

With the Wii, its always a Sub console for me. No matter what I am going to purchase it. And it isnt a console that I would own just by itself... (I dont have to explain that here...)


Seems to me there are quite a few people out there who are very happy with those "crap games" on the 360.
Well, you can add me to the list that wasnt satisified. I mean the most popular games on it could be purchased on your PC...


And I really don't see Blu-Ray ias a great selling point. Blu-ray is not going to replace DVDs for anything except games on the PS3 and is only nice to have for movies if you have an HDTV, which most people still don't have and if they did they would have to get the $600 PS3 to properly use it.

Blu-Ray is an amazing selling point. I can see developers switching to the PS3 soley for the amount of space available on the games disc. And it is a STANDARD, Microsoft doesnt understand that.
No game company will make HDVD games... becuase a majority of the audience wont have that addon...
Developers are going to need that amazing amount of space as the years go by.
And ALSO add on the Internal hardrive, which is standard for BOTH versions! That means developers will be taken advantage of that as well... Thats double the pleasure, which causes an eruption of supremacy over the 360.

Need I add on the free online play? You can subtract that from its cost as well... I dont like subscriptions...

Again, if someone is dishing out that serious dough on a TV that can support that, they wouldnt mind dishing out a little more for a game console.

[CappyCobra]

Then why is there a PS3 section?

If noone is willing to drop the dough... then why even have this section?

Just to complain? To quote myself:
...Correct me if I'm wrong, but MOST CAG's would be hardpressed to drop a $500-$600 nut for just a system Even if noone were to buy the system here, it would be unfair not to have a forum addressed for each current / Next-Gen console. Don't get me wrong, most here will get a PS3 after the inevitable price drops (myself included) so the need for the dedicate forum is warranted. I never said the PS3 won't sell. Just don't expect it to fly off the fucking shelf for $500. Just ask Saturn, 3DO, & Neo-Geo how well they sold.

[Kaijufan]

Nine pages and I still haven't commented on this.

I do plan on getting a PS3, even if it's just to play Kingdom Hearts 3. However, when I plan on getting a PS3 is very much up in the air. There's no way I'm going to pay $600 for a PS3 (and the hardcore gamer in me wont let me get anything less then the good version). For me, $400 is my upper limit for consoles, which means I may be waiting a few years for a PS3.

I don't mind waiting. It seems like the vast majority of third party games will be coming out for both the 360 and PS3 because it would be stupid for any developer to limit themselves to only one console when the difference, graphics wise, wont be that huge. Sure the PS3 may be more powerful on paper, but the difference will likely be as small as the difference between Gamecube and Xbox graphics. The best looking games for the 360 and PS3 will look almost identical, which is fine by me.

The only major disadvantage I see the 360 having in the future is the DVD Rom drive, but I can live with swapping disks like I did with the PS1. This may be a bit of a problem with a sandbox game like Oblivion or GTA, but I get the feeling that developers will get very good at compression, and with Oblivion only taking up half of a DVD, I don't think we have to worry about disk space for a few years.
Plus the fact that Sony is requiring Blu Ray disks for all games will no doubt drive up the price of all games to a minimum of $60, with $70+ for the high profile games. I'm happy to wait a few years until the price of Blu Ray disks go down.

[Daddy]

Need I add on the free online play? You can subtract that from its cost as well... I dont like subscriptions...

Oh I didnt know you knew SONY's online structure and services? I imagine that is a SHAM like all the other SONY lies...I bet they have the same as SILVEr like on LIVE....dont expect ANY free service to be good....you can use anything as an example there. Good that you are standing up for SONY but you are a minority here....

PS- The titles you mentioned as well are old and outdated....I personally dont wanna go past version 3 of almost any game...mario is still alive somehow though...lol. I look for NEW, INNOVATIVE, titles....I see MS has the money to suck up 1st and 3rd party titles GALORE....GTA was just the beginning and with SOLID SNAKE on Mario Party I bet you'll see some SNAKE action on 360 soon enough....money talks brotha. With games like F.E.A.R coming and id bet some shiny pennies on W.O.W following soon enough....the 360 is hurtin the competition....and LIVE anywhere and Vista integration is off the scale...here you can sign up for the 360 vista/media center testing:

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2006/0530-beabetatester.htm

[whoknows]

Oh I didnt know you knew SONY's online structure and services? I imagine that is a SHAM like all the other SONY lies...I bet they have the same as SILVEr like on LIVE....dont expect ANY free service to be good....you can use anything as an example there. Good that you are standing up for SONY but you are a minority here....

PS- The titles you mentioned as well are old and outdated....I personally dont wanna go past version 3 of almost any game...mario is still alive somehow though...lol. I look for NEW, INNOVATIVE, titles....I see MS has the money to suck up 1st and 3rd party titles GALORE....GTA was just the beginning and with SOLID SNAKE on Mario Party I bet you'll see some SNAKE action on 360 soon enough....money talks brotha. With games like F.E.A.R coming and id bet some shiny pennies on W.O.W following soon enough....the 360 is hurtin the competition....and LIVE anywhere and Vista integration is off the scale...here you can sign up for the 360 vista/media center testing:

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2006/0530-beabetatester.htm
FYI Sony is trying to make W.O.W. exclusive to the PS3, so good luck with that on your 360.

And I dont think you should hold your breath on MGS4 on the 360. Kojima himself said it takes too much time to port a game (aka the reason he didnt put MGS3 on the Xbox).

Just because Snake himself is on the GC doesnt mean they are going to go ahead and port the whole game to a DIFFERENT system.

[PrivatePixel]

Either way if you think 360 has no games by now and you say none till 2007.... then PS3 wont have games till 2008 by your calculations...bahbahbab

Still wrong > You :roll:

How am I wrong? You're trying to use an opinion as a fact (i.e. a logical fallacy), as the basis of your counterpoint. I'm well aware of what's in the pipeline for the 360 for the remainder of 2006 and nothing qualifies as a system seller for me. Not you, ME!

Also, I never said that there weren't any good games on the 360 (you were trying to put words into my mouth :shame: ); IMO, the 360 doesn't have that one application that would make me commit to a purchase at this point in time (and yes, I have taken Gears Of War and Huxley into consideration).

[Daddy]

FYI Sony is trying to make W.O.W. exclusive to the PS3, so good luck with that on your 360.

And I dont think you should hold your breath on MGS4 on the 360. Kojima himself said it takes too much time to port a game (aka the reason he didnt put MGS3 on the Xbox).

Just because Snake himself is on the GC doesnt mean they are going to go ahead and port the whole game to a DIFFERENT system.


SONY is TRYING....but I dont think they have what it takes to do it as far as WOW goes.....I didnt say MGS4 would be coming but i see Kojima makin 360 games real soon if things at MS keep goin the way they are.

[Daddy]

How am I wrong? You're trying to use an opinion as a fact (i.e. a logical fallacy), as the basis of your counterpoint. I'm well aware of what's in the pipeline for the 360 for the remainder of 2006 and nothing qualifies as a system seller for me. Not you, ME!

Also, I never said that there weren't any good games on the 360 (you were trying to put words into my mouth :shame: ); IMO, the 360 doesn't have that one application that would make me commit to a purchase at this point in time (and yes, I have taken Gears Of War and Huxley into consideration).

Hmmm so what games exactly are selling you on PS3? There are outstanding FPS (GRAW) Role Playing (oblivion) Action (Gears of War) Puzzle (Lumines 2 on LIVE) Horror (Alan Wake ) so what are you looking for exactly that would make you wait so long?

[Metal Boss]

Metal...GEAR!!

I'm waiting for the console exclusives (GRAW, COD2...etc are great on PC)
& quality games and content that I am familiar with on the PS2

[DarkNessBear]

Hmmm so what games exactly are selling you on PS3? There are outstanding FPS (GRAW) Role Playing (oblivion) Action (Gears of War) Puzzle (Lumines 2 on LIVE) Horror (Alan Wake ) so what are you looking for exactly that would make you wait so long?
Good job listing games that are Multiplatform...

Thats why I dont like 360 rarely any exclusives.

I have a PC for that....

[Daddy]

Good job listing games that are Multiplatform...

Thats why I dont like 360 rarely any exclusives.

I have a PC for that....


Well the way things are going the PC/console gap is becoming one space...like Alan Wake....Multiplatform for me is anything thats on PS3 or Wii...but considering neither of those systems are out I see 360 as the obvious choice for ME....PC gaming is too hard to do the maintenance for...upgrade this,DL that (doom 3 great example)...no thanks...im so tired of a PC game coming out and having to upgrade my system for it...i think thats the only main reason id rather go with a console...To me Pc gaming is way different then a console in many respects....I see MS closing this gap however...playing a FPS against a PC player is just not fair however. Again when comparing 360 to Wii or PS3 i just cant justify the games, prices or online structures....Wii may have something but it wont be "looking" next gen, wether its fun or not is a different story however. As far as PS3, between the pirces,lies and no rumble and you name it im just not going to hop on that ship anytime soon

PS- Darkness Bear think about how much money the PC you use costs with maintence,original price and upgrades. Can you even trade PC games in either anymore?

[Daddy]

No response huh

[solid snake]

PS- Darkness Bear think about how much money the PC you use costs with maintence,original price and upgrades. Can you even trade PC games in either anymore?


i know this question was not directed towards me,but i tried trading some in the other day and i was told i have to have the game box manual and cd case to trade it in and the box has to be in good condition and they only pay $5 per pc game.
and your right,pc's are really expensive.

[Daddy]

i know this question was not directed towards me,but i tried trading some in the other day and i was told i have to have the game box manual and cd case to trade it in and the box has to be in good condition and they only pay $5 per pc game.
and