Looking back on the Dreamcast [Mobile/Archive]

Richlough

05-31-2006, 01:32 PM

This ign article might be interesting.

Dream On: Revisiting Sega's Dreamcast
We rank every single US-released DC title with new impressions, screens and video. (http://dreamcast.ign.com/articles/702/702841p1.html)

May 30, 2006 - It's a date Sega fans will never forget -- 9.9.99.
It was a day of promise, a day for dreams.
Sega had been through a rough patch, having failed financially with the Sega Saturn.
The high-priced console never caught on in the U.S., but the affordable (and powerful) Dreamcast was certain to be a different story.
Price at just $200 bucks and launched with more than a dozen titles, the Dreamcast was destined to return Sega to prominence.
It was a time of great hope for Sega lovers.

A developer friend of mine said that one of the reasons EA didn't support the Dreamcast was the decision to go with the NEC Power VR chip , instead of the 3dFX chip .
Which , no doubt , contributed to the demise of 3dFX , due to the fact that they lost a whole R&D cycle , working on said chip .

Vinny

05-31-2006, 03:40 PM

Pretty decent article... I still think if there was support the DC could've held it's own. Even though I survived for roughly 1 year, it showed fantastic promise. I only wonder what developers could've done with the hardware if they continued working on it.

KaneRobot

05-31-2006, 03:47 PM

Looking back on the Dreamcast? Looking back on the Dreamcast, it was better than the Gamecube, PS2, and XBox...possibly combined. I don't think I could comprehend the greatness it would have achieved if it had lasted through the current cycle that just finished up last year. Sega did us a favor by ending it early, we would have all been swallowed up by the omnipotent Sega Dreamcast.

guyver2077

05-31-2006, 03:59 PM

dc rulez!

Photomotoz

05-31-2006, 04:00 PM

Cool! I can't wait to read the whole thing.

javeryh

05-31-2006, 04:09 PM

lionheart4life

05-31-2006, 04:15 PM

I didn't get one until last summer, but from my limited experience I think its a great system. It really is on par with all the other currnent gen systems, and if developers were still making games for it they would no doubt be similar to what is out now.

The DC really had everything you could need in a console. Online play, lots of different peripheral controllers, some portable features for the VMU.

It doesn't seem like it had enough of the big mainstream titles to really sell systems though. If it had launched with a better looking version of Madden or something it would have done better. A lot of the early games were similar to games that were also launched on the Playstation, and the PS was king in 1999. The DC controller is also not very good in my opinion, but I don't think this played a big part in its failure.

I don't have much knowledge of the pricing for the system since I got the system for $15, extra controller for $1 and VMU for $3. Were these things highly priced around launch?

coltyhuxx

05-31-2006, 04:20 PM

I still have and love my Dreamcast. The graphics are awesome still even now. And I confess, I like (even though it's only one stick) the analog. I loved the packaging of the whole system, and though I never used it, the modem was brilliant. I liked how heavy, but dense the machine was. Seemed well designed. It also launched at a pretty nice price if I recall correctly. I got one pretty early on into the cycle. I remember watching a store demo of the whale smashing through a bridge in Sonic. Ok, these really are next level graphics I decided. A noteworthy jump.

Those were exciting times, my first copy of (especially, who was with me here?)... Shenmue ...Seaman... Virtua Tennis... Skies of Arcadia... heck even Crazy Taxi for a hot minute.

Man, I'm tempted to fire her back up! Man, I gotta stop sucking this machine off every time a thread starts! :lol:

jkam

05-31-2006, 04:26 PM

I like the dreamcast. I too only got one when they were $15 or so at Ebgames. It has a lot of good games. The one thing that really bothers me about the system though is the controller. It hurts my hands after playing for too long. I haven't had that problem with any other system. I do think it died prematurely.

usickenme

05-31-2006, 07:59 PM

Got one at launch and another for $15 at eb (for back up). I still play quite a bit. If you think about the DC is almost 7 years old! And games are still largely playable and some hold up very well. Soul Calibur, Crazy Taxis, Virtua Tennis....hell I'm currently playing a season of NFL 2k2 and that isn't too far off.

Recently I unlocked all the characters in Marvel vs. Capcom 2 (in arcade mode not the "leave training mode on" way.)

CYRiX

05-31-2006, 10:35 PM

Wats there to look back on. The Dreamcast is still fuck-ing alive.

peteloaf

06-01-2006, 12:16 AM

4tygames

06-01-2006, 01:11 AM

I actually got interviewed by a Sega rep near the end of the DC's (official) life - I was at a local BB looking at the DC games- and she told me that one of the big nails in the coffin of the DC is that Sony wouldn't let any store sell PS2's or the games and accessories for it unless they gave double the shelf space that the DC had for the PS2.

Shame too, I love my little DC...

Isn't that the truth. I think that still applies today. Nintendo DS and Game Boy Advance sell tons of titles while they get 1/4 of the section @ Best Buy that the PS2 gets! The PS2 games have two rows at my Best Buy!

mr ryles

06-01-2006, 01:13 AM

So the dreamcast failed because EA didn't support it? I believe it. *No sarcasm*

dafoomie

06-01-2006, 01:35 AM

There are still new Dreamcast games every couple of months. Under Defeat was a fairly recent release, Radilgy before that. Sega has also started selling Dreamcasts again in Japan, though they're all refurbished. Its still around... Sega's last Dreamcast game was in 04, not that long ago.

Its actually a viable option for smaller developers, and ports of games from Naomi arcade hardware. They'll do a smallish run, if it does well enough, a publisher will pick them up and bring it to another platform. Look at Chaos Field and Ikaruga. Radilgy is coming out for PS2 and GC soon.

Check out this interview with G. Rev, its a month old, but its still pretty good. Good to hear that they're on board with Xbox 360 and possibly getting games brought here on that platform.
http://www.got-next.com/features_read.php?id=344&pno=0

solid snake

06-01-2006, 01:40 AM

i got my dream cast after christmas and it cost about $250,i just wish i had the internet back then to play games online.but i still had alot of fun with it
i remember the hype lots of the games had i still have the origanol sonic adventer 2 for it sometimes i play it.
btw do any of you play it online?

Stoneage

06-01-2006, 01:45 AM

lionheart4life

06-01-2006, 01:47 AM

So the dreamcast failed because EA didn't support it? I believe it. *No sarcasm*

Well it certainly didn't help it. EA puts out a lot of games, and while most are crap there are some good ones. Whether its good or not, Madden is one of the games that people always look at when comparing a new gen system to old ones. I later realized that the 2K series was better, but this wasn't until 2005 on the PS2. EA makes "mainstream" games but a lot of the "best" games on the DC weren't really the ones that would appeal to everyone. Shenmue and Skies of Arcadia are excellent, but I'm not sure I would have paid $40-50 for them when they were released without knowing how good they are now. One thing that puzzles me about the DC is that it seemed to have superior versions of some of the most successful franchises on the PS1, like Tony Hawk 2, Legacy of Kain, Tomb Raider, etc. but they didn't really seem to catch on.

I think the DC failed because of the PS1. It was by far the most popular console when DC launched and wasn't winding down at all as there were still a bunch of great games coming out for it. I know I still have an EGM from when the Dreamcast launched, so I might go take a look and see what was new for the PS at that time.

There's probably a lot of truth to that thing about Sony and the shelf space, I don't really recall ever seeing a lot of DC games for sale anywhere, but then again it might have been because I wasn't really looking.

solid snake

06-01-2006, 01:56 AM

I remember staying up all night with my brother and cousin playing that olympics game where you could unlock the silver guy who would make computery, warbly noises. Laughing our asses off, me trying to find the best way to position that big controller and wiggle the stick as fast as I could.

UFC and Toy Commander were fun, too, but I sucked more at them. I just couldn't get the steering in TC, but I liked the game, overall.

I still have a bunch of unplayed DC games. SEGA!
i was affraid to say it but toy commander was one of my fave games allso man that dreamcast has my best memories with it,me and my old friends just playin it all the time.
I even had a dreamcast bday cake it looked just like it.

dafoomie

06-01-2006, 02:02 AM

I think the DC failed because of the PS1. It was by far the most popular console when DC launched and wasn't winding down at all as there were still a bunch of great games coming out for it. I know I still have an EGM from when the Dreamcast launched, so I might go take a look and see what was new for the PS at that time.

There's probably a lot of truth to that thing about Sony and the shelf space, I don't really recall ever seeing a lot of DC games for sale anywhere, but then again it might have been because I wasn't really looking.
DC failed because of the false hype surrounding the PS2, and their complete inability to market anything. It also didn't help that retailers hated Sega, some stores like KB Toys had stopped carrying Sega products completely in the Saturn days. They still did very well in their first couple years though.

Soul Calibur came in as a launch title and blew everything away. I've never been more impressed with a launch title, or with any other step from one generation to another. Then the promises of the PS2 came.

"You can communicate to a new cybercity. Did you see the movie The Matrix? Same interface. Same concept. Starting from next year, you can jack into The Matrix!"

"It will also let users produce game characters comparable in image quality to Walt Disney's Toy Story."

I'm still waiting for the PS2 game that can blow away the Dreamcast like Soul Calibur did to PS1. Sony's superior marketing (and Sega's incompetence) was what did it. Sega was never a very well run company.

lionheart4life

06-01-2006, 02:42 AM

I do remember seeing some Dreamcast commercials, but they really didn't showcase the system or have anything to do with gaming in general. I also remember going to TRU a couple weeks before the Dreamcast was coming out, and the only mention of it was a sign with the release date on it that was barely visible on the way out of the store. If I didn't read EGM then I probably wouldn't have even known Sega had a new system coming.

Metal Gear Solid 2 was amazing to me as my first PS2 game, but launch games like Smuggler's Run weren't really any different that what could be done on the DC. I'm still waiting for a lot of the features I wanted in PS2, like actually using the harddrive. I thought having a place to cache games to and unlimited save space was a good idea, but I never bought one since practically nothing uses it. Online play was also extremely underwhelming, especially for games that keep won-loss records and ranks. For many games, especially sports titles, it takes longer to find someone who will play normally and actually finish a game than it does to actually play that game.

Dreamcast's online was really ahead of its time. We didn't even get broadband until 2002 I think, and surfing the internet was hard enough on a dial up connection, I can't imagine how difficult it must have been to actually make it through a few games on DC with it.

Richlough

06-01-2006, 02:45 AM

Quake 3 ran great online .

KingDox

06-01-2006, 02:57 AM

Freaking Konami also didn't put out any DC games. The DC still rocks if you use a VGA box. I would take it to the local post office store my buddy worked and played it durring office hours. We would get tons of people saying how amazing Virtua Tennis looked when we used my VGA box.

The system has a ton of gems that are sure to be worth some cash in the years to come. You've not played a crazy game untill you've played Bangai-o or Mars Matrix.

At this years E3 you should have seen me own the Power Stone collection on the PSP thanks to my practice on the DC version.

Oh and who could forget Free PSO ? Man that was fun, using the keyboard was amazing.

KB & M on a FPS console game ! How could you not love that ?

And the fishing controller, with motion sensor ! Dear god that thing was fun.

Also the DC was also the place I played MGS & GT2 thanks to bleem.

SMMM

06-01-2006, 03:04 AM

Freaking Konami also didn't put out any DC games.

If I remember correctly, they were working on an exclusive Castlevania, but cancelled.

dafoomie

06-01-2006, 03:26 AM

If I remember correctly, they were working on an exclusive Castlevania, but cancelled.
Castlevania: Resurrection.

Konami still had Air Force Delta, DDR, and Silent Scope on the system. Certainly not their best stuff though.

Capcom gave the Dreamcast absolutely everything they had.

DrunkTigerWoods

06-01-2006, 03:41 AM

Half my games on DC were Capcom games. So many great fighters.

KingDox

06-01-2006, 03:42 AM

Castlevania: Resurrection.

Konami still had Air Force Delta, DDR, and Silent Scope on the system. Certainly not their best stuff though.

Capcom gave the Dreamcast absolutely everything they had.

I forgot about air force delta and Silent Scope. But DDR never made it to the states. They even had Beat Mania for the DC but it only was in Japan.

I also forgot to mention Twin Sticks. God I wanted those, they were so hard to find.

SMMM

06-01-2006, 04:29 AM

GTmaster39

06-01-2006, 04:39 AM

Half my games on DC were Capcom games. So many great fighters.

I think I'll give a virtual pound on that one. I just about own all the Capcom fighting games. And the King of Fighters. Dreamcast is a hardcore gamer machine and it always will be.

Viva La Homebrew!

ramatut4001

06-01-2006, 02:23 PM

I think I'll give a virtual pound on that one. I just about own all the Capcom fighting games. And the King of Fighters. Dreamcast is a hardcore gamer machine and it always will be.

Viva La Homebrew!

Yes! I got back into gaming a few years ago and got my DC last year. I have a lot of catching up to do when it comes to fighters. I keep jumping around between so many series, I can't get really good at any of them. Anyway, glad to see the Dreamcast get some love.

dastly75

06-01-2006, 02:24 PM

Isn't that the truth. I think that still applies today. Nintendo DS and Game Boy Advance sell tons of titles while they get 1/4 of the section @ Best Buy that the PS2 gets! The PS2 games have two rows at my Best Buy!

yeah same deal at my best buy, thats messed up

Machine

06-01-2006, 03:09 PM

I still love my DC. Using the fishing controller with fishing games is a blast, the Capcom games are great, and the Sega arcade stuff is wonderful. However, the thing people often overlook is how good many of the racing games were - the only steering wheel I own is for my DC.

solid snake

06-01-2006, 03:10 PM

KaneRobot

06-01-2006, 03:44 PM

Sony just threw money at the problem until it went away, which is really annoying. To this day, I won't buy a Sony product because - for as "evil" as Microsoft may be - they have yet to pull off any repugnant bullshit like Sony has with their consoles. Sega was already overmatched in terms of marketing their console, the money Sony had was just the icing on the cake.

The DC's premature demise is the main reason I hate Peter Moore and Bernie Stolar...it happened on their watch. Of course, then Moore tries to tell us that it's to benefit everyone, including the consumer. In fact, Moore's lie about them continuing to strongly support the Dreamcast throughout 2001 - which I knew was a lie back then, witness almost every anticipated game being cancelled that year, including Half-Life - is the same reason I knew Microsoft was bullshitting about being behind backwards compatibility for the long run. It came out of Moore's mouth, so don't bother believing it.

Madden would have helped the DC, sure, but I don't think it would have delayed the console's death for much longer.

dafoomie

06-01-2006, 04:00 PM

The DC's premature demise is the main reason I hate Peter Moore and Bernie Stolar...it happened on their watch.
Their biggest mistake was firing Tom Kalinske. The man was absolutely brilliant. He was the reason why Genesis had any success at all. He was completely opposed to the Saturn, he wanted to delay it for a while and let the 16 bit sales continue. no dice. He wanted to partner with Sony and make a 32 bit console instead, they said no. He wanted to replace the 2 Hitachi processors in the Saturn with one from SGI, and make the system much cheaper. Japan as usual didn't listen to a word he said, and that SGI chip made its way into the Nintendo 64.

http://saturn.classicgaming.gamespy.com/content/features/misc/quotes.shtml

Tom Kalinske (president and CEO, Sega of America): After my first month as CEO, I told Mr. Nakayama, "You have to get rid of Altered Beast, the title that's bundled with Genesis. It sounds like devil worship. We have to get the price down to $149, and we have to develop more American software." The board spoke for two hours in Japanese and I was just sitting there, not understanding a word. Finally Mr. Nakayama said, "No one here agrees with anything you've said." I thought mine was going to be the shortest career in the business. But as I was walking out, he said, "But I hired you to make the decisions for Europe and the Americas, so go ahead and do it.

Kalinske: The specs for our next-generation console, the Saturn,18 didn't look very good, and it was way too expensive - Sega Japan told us it was going to retail at $549. Then Jim Clark, the chair of Silicon Graphics, says, "I've got this chipset that's a derivative of the MIPS chipset that would be perfect for your system." We call Sega Japan and say this thing will be cheaper than Saturn, and that it will move polygons 50 percent quicker. The Sega hardware group comes over and says that the chip is too big, it won't be efficient to manufacture. Forget it. When I tell Jim Clark this, he says, "What do I do with this now?" And I say, "Well, I'm sure there are a few folks who might be interested in buying it." And he says, "Yeah, I've already talked to Nintendo." The rest is N64 history.

Kalinske: I felt horrible about bringing Saturn to market. I was being forced to introduce the machine with a very high price, and its performance was terrible. We knew it was terrible. Sega Japan said, "You've got to bring Saturn out before PlayStation." Which we did - it came out four months earlier than PlayStation. Then they said we'd only have 70,000 ready by then. Well, how can you introduce a platform with only 70,000 units? I sent a memo to Japan in 1995, saying Sega would be better off just becoming a software company - we could support Sony, and even Nintendo. They sent a reply: "We will always be in the hardware business."

Tom Kalinske (president and CEO, Sega of America): The managements of Sega and Sony were very close. Sony asked us if they could develop software for the Sega CD, and we even taught Sony how to do CD-based games. We ran the specs on what we thought would be the perfect game platform, based on our R&D guys at Sega of America. We took it to Japan, and, believe it or not, Sony Japan agreed that it was a great idea. We'd build a hardware platform together and share the loss, because there surely would be a loss on any kind of hardware platform. Sega would get the benefit of whatever software it developed, and whatever Sony developed belonged to Sony. We went to Sega's board, and they said, "What, are you crazy? Sony doesn't know anything about building a game system, and they don't know anything about software. Why would you want to partner with them?" So that was the end of that.

SMMM

06-01-2006, 04:19 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9214419766443021135&q=dreamcast

I always thought this was a good watch.

coltyhuxx

06-01-2006, 04:19 PM

Their biggest mistake was firing Tom Kalinske. The man was absolutely brilliant. He was the reason why Genesis had any success at all. He was completely opposed to the Saturn, he wanted to delay it for a while and let the 16 bit sales continue. no dice. He wanted to partner with Sony and make a 32 bit console instead, they said no. He wanted to replace the 2 Hitachi processors in the Saturn with one from SGI, and make the system much cheaper. Japan as usual didn't listen to a word he said, and that SGI chip made its way into the Nintendo 64.

http://saturn.classicgaming.gamespy.com/content/features/misc/quotes.shtml

Thanks for bringing this to the thread - oddly enough, considering my love for Sega, I'd never heard much about Tom Kalinske. Very interesting.

the3rdkey

06-01-2006, 04:39 PM

The Dreamcast was FANTASTIC for its time but I'm not so sure a lot of games hold up too well now. Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and Soul Caliber are the only two that I can think of... I did love Shadowman, Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver, Crazy Taxi, Hydro Thunder, Power Stone, NFL2K and a bunch of others though...

Don't forget that Legacy of Kain ran at a smooth 60FPS which the only Xbox 360 title to accomplish was table tennis.

EDIT: SC II ran at 60FPS as well and PSO was the best pickup and go online RPG EVER!

solid snake

06-01-2006, 05:06 PM

i loved that video,dose any of you still play any games online?
maybe we could have a sega online day or something.
i still remember all those games.
i remember when the saturn came out all so that sonic R game sure did have alot of hype.

asianxcore

06-01-2006, 05:14 PM

Half my games on DC were Capcom games. So many great fighters.

Same here. There a lot of Capcom fighters I missed out on because I sold my Dreamcast too early. Loved the KOF games that were put on the system by SNK as well :)

I just bought a Dreamcast a month or so ago and I am happy to have it back. I still have memories of countless hours playing Soul Calibur, Power Stone and House of the Dead 2 with my cousin.

SMMM

06-01-2006, 06:32 PM

King of Fighters '98 - I spent days on that with my brother. Still the best.

guido_anchovy_9

06-01-2006, 07:48 PM

I have to agree that the PS2 hype and Sega's bad marketing made the Dreamcast stumble out of the gates to a point where it would never be able to compete.

I thought it was pretty affordable for the first next-gen console at the time. I was in high school and easily paid for it with only working a couple weeks during the summer. I think I got mine about a month after launch.

I'd have to say that 80% of my DC games were either Capcom, SNK or Sammy fighters. One of my CD wallets is bursting with fighters.

I hated the controller at first but after playing a lot of 3-D games and going back to the analog controller on the Saturn, I just got used it to. I use converters mostly now because I'm a d-pad killer :cry: and people are practically giving away PSOne controllers.

I love how the import and homebrew scene are making my DC last so long. My friends and I played CvS2 and Ikaruga for what seemed like years before they came out in NA.

I really wish I got to play Samba de Amigo.. The controllers were just to expensive, even the crappy third party ones. I also wanted to try the official twin sticks.

I liked comparing the DC DoA2 against the PS2 DoA2: Hardcore, but maybe that was just me.

I still miss seeing my little fighter kicking and slashing on the VMU while playing Soul Calibur 1.

A lot of you probably already have seen this, but I remember my friends and I passing this around when the DC was still putting up a fight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vky8lhWrf4g

Photomotoz

06-01-2006, 08:32 PM

After reading all the reviews, well the three that are up atleast. I see that my DC library is really lacking. For instance the game reviewed today, Bang! Something, looks pretty damn awesome. And yet I have never heard of it.

willardhaven

06-01-2006, 08:46 PM

Power Stone is an amazing game.

There were some solid-looking RPGs on DC but I couldn't afford it/had PS1(the RPG giant).

scott123456

06-01-2006, 09:01 PM

Personally, I loved the DC and to this day think it was one of the best systems. Way ahead of its time. Just wish the controller was a bit more befitting to the hands. There has NEVER been a game that impacted me as much as when I first put in Soul Calibur and played it. That was a moment I will never forget.

howlinmad

06-01-2006, 09:25 PM

The DC still had the best launch lineup in console history. Period.
Sega's marketing does leave much to be desired. I still feel though, that if the DC had the best marketing team in the world behind it, it still could not defeat the hordes of PS2 sheep.

PS2 has some good games, don't get me wrong. But I'm talking about the generation of gamers who will take....let's say Sonic Adventure 1, and compare it to God of War and say "SEE! The PS2 kicks the DC's ass!" "just look at dem graphix"

Had people given the DC a chance, I have no doubt that developers would be doing some even better games with it. Look at SC for example, I'm not sure there are too many games that can compete with it to this day.

Like the Saturn before it, it was the fighter fans system. You just can't beat Capcom and SNK fighters with a PS2 fanbitch strapped to both arms, and that's a fact.
I guess Tekken 2239849234 deserved more than SFA3, SF3rd Strike, KoF, MvC, MvC2, an easy way to import (not really an advertised selling point, but still), I could go on for a while. Such a shame.

The only complaint I really had was the controllers, but I somehow managed. =P

SMMM

06-01-2006, 09:57 PM

The DC still had the best launch lineup in console history. Period.

True(for just Jet Grind Radio alone); but I have a feeling the Wii will come close.

Scobie

06-01-2006, 10:58 PM

Nice thread, guys. I remember the Dreamcast being the prime sponsor on the Arsenal FC in the EPL. I also remember being too desperately poor to be able to afford a new console back then. :cry:

Even so, I'm still kicking myself over not picking up one of these things when they were being cleared out of stores for $50 and under with games going for a few bucks...

assassinX

06-01-2006, 11:22 PM

Hmm what do you guys think the #1 game is going to be? I think it might be power stone, but then again I only know about 20 dreamcast games.

CappyCobra

06-02-2006, 12:27 AM

That G4 documentary of the Dreamcast makes me sad :( Sega did almost everything right & still lost.

One day I will pass the system onto the young ones and speak "Children, this came from a time when games were GAMES. Pure bliss is before you. Partake and enjoy. AND I SWEAR TO GOD IF YOU fuckEN SCRATCH MY DISCS, BREAK MY CONTROLLERS OR HAVE THE SYSTEM ON THE CARPET, I WILL SMITE YOU FROM THIS EARTH!" 8-)

Richlough

06-02-2006, 01:55 AM

assassinX

06-02-2006, 02:01 AM

gofishn

06-02-2006, 02:19 AM

Better words were never spoken. :-# They did a G4 documentary on the dreamcast? When? :bomb:

Theres a link earlier in this thread I think.

I got my DC at launch with Hydro Thunder and Soul Calibur. Honestly I still think lots of DC games look better than the crap they put out on PS2, everything is so much smoother looking and the colors seem so much brighter.

solid snake

06-02-2006, 03:02 AM

i just got another one at a ysrd sale but it came with a virtual boy and burnt controller and an old butt rumble pack vest yes a big hard plastic vest that rumbles like a ps2 controller dose all for $5 but guess what the cast turns on but no picture

chosen1s

06-02-2006, 03:18 AM

Man,

Reading all the good vibes from former DC owners opens my eyes to the reality that I missed out on a great chapter in video game history. Between me and my friends, I've felt a part of every major system - Atari 2600, 5200, 7800, PC, Master System, NES, Gameboy, Game Gear, Genesis, SNES, 64, PS, PS2, GC, XBox - except for Dreamcast (yes yes, there was Turbografx and Jaguar etc but they never really established themselves and I don't feel I missed out on being part of any "larger" community with those systems).

Some friends and I even "owned" a Sega CD (or Saturn?) from Wal Mart for a weekend so we could play through Lost Vikings 2 (Our local video store didn't carry the other versions). I'm not advocating buy/return scams either. We were dumb kids.

But the Dreamcast never quite had the Smash Brothers or Final Fantasies to convince me to bite on it and to this day Sonic still just doesn't impress me. Sadly it looks like I missed out on a lot of great gaming because of that.

chosen1s

06-02-2006, 03:24 AM

SMMM

06-02-2006, 03:27 AM

Better words were never spoken. :-# They did a G4 documentary on the dreamcast? When? :bomb:

I posted this earlier.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9214419766443021135&q=dreamcast

KingDox

06-02-2006, 10:29 PM

I have a BRAND NEW Dreamcast , still in the box , that I bought just for the Smash Pack game .
I took the game out of the box , and left EVERYTHING else in it untouched .

It is one of 4 that I own .
I actually imported this system .
I have the Asian version that does not include a modem ,
1 North American model that I use , a broken [for parts] former Best Buy kiosk one ,
and my sacred untouched one still in the box with the Smach Pack wrap around it .

My most major regret is that I don't own the broadband adapter .

I also have a DC still in it's box, I got it for 50 bucks as my Back up DC. I knew the system would be legendary so I jumped at buying a second one when they hit $50.

Oh and who couldn't love Typing of the Dead ? It even had 2 player action.
You'll never see a typing game on a console ever again.

And PGR wouldn't even be around if it wasn't for MSR.

Mattte

06-02-2006, 11:09 PM

Dreamcast was the first console I paid for myself. I remember spending so many hours on NFL2K, THPS2, and Crazy Taxi. Kinda sucks it died, I'm going to Dreamcon tommorrow and I'm hoping to pick up and play some sweet DC titles.

I posted this earlier.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9214419766443021135&q=dreamcast

Google Video never loads the full clip for me..

Heres the youtube for it as well:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XGf2-fK1B_w&search=dreamcast%20G4

guido_anchovy_9

06-02-2006, 11:21 PM

But the Dreamcast never quite had the Smash Brothers or Final Fantasies to convince me to bite on it and to this day Sonic still just doesn't impress me. Sadly it looks like I missed out on a lot of great gaming because of that.

I thought Power Stone 2 and Grandia II would have been the Dreamcast equivalents. Bad marketing ruined that, I guess. All of my friends and I did the BOOK thing for the VMUs in Power Stone 2 so we all had Power Stone 2s. They've been ported now so you can get a chance to play them.

argyle

06-03-2006, 12:09 AM

True(for just Jet Grind Radio alone); but I have a feeling the Wii will come close.

Well, JGR wasn't anywhere near launch. It came out in 2000, actually.

I adored my DC. I just became addicted to it, and at least half of the DC games I own now, probably more, I paid pretty close to full price for when they first came out. The system had my favorite game of the past gen (PSO) and many, many other top favorites (Power Stone 2, JGR, Skies of Arcadia, etc.).

But at the same time, I don't personally blame Sony for the death of the system. I think the two could have co-existed (since I'd argue that the DC had a better software library than either the GC or Xbox) if Sega had just been better equipped financially to market it. They also were unable to win over many developers - and not just EA. Many devs actually seemed at the time to find it "cool" to talk about how they weren't going to support the system (the much-revered jackass Victor Ireland of the late Working Designs is one that stands out in my mind).

And I can still say that the game cancellation that pissed me off the most was Shenmue 2. I've hated Peter Moore ever since the DC died because of the crap he pulled. Shenmue 2 was delayed an entire year, even tho it was completely ready to go, just to be put on the Xbox with less features than the DC version (no Japanese audio, no save carry-over). I ended up importing the EU version, but I still couldn't carry over my save due to it being from a different region.

rscaramelo

06-03-2006, 12:14 PM

crazytalkx

06-03-2006, 01:27 PM

The Dreamcast was awesome back in its heyday. Great arcade ports and the emulation capabilities.

solid snake

06-03-2006, 01:29 PM

Damn you guys! Now I have to go out and spend some money on a DC ;) ! I didn't play anything between PS1 (98ish) and getting a XBox around 2003. I totally missed out on gaming for about 5-6 years. I need to see what everyone's talking about here. I'm off to ebay and craigslist as we speak.

RC
ill sell u one thats half broken,it powers on but no picture on the tv lol oh and when i got it the controllers plug was burnt to a crisp.

rscaramelo

06-03-2006, 03:08 PM

ill sell u one thats half broken,it powers on but no picture on the tv lol oh and when i got it the controllers plug was burnt to a crisp.

LOL! That would make for a great gaming experience!

I actually just ran out to a "classic" gaming store 2 towns over and bought one. Probably 10-15 dollars more than what I would have paid on ebay but I already have it! I picked up NFL 2k2 for it too. Now I need some games and accessories. Need something like King of Fighters or Tekken.

Damn this site, it should be called Broke Ass Gamer instead :lol:

RC

dcfox

06-03-2006, 06:45 PM

LOL! That would make for a great gaming experience!

I actually just ran out to a "classic" gaming store 2 towns over and bought one. Probably 10-15 dollars more than what I would have paid on ebay but I already have it! I picked up NFL 2k2 for it too. Now I need some games and accessories. Need something like King of Fighters or Tekken.

Damn this site, it should be called Broke Ass Gamer instead :lol:

RC
Sorry, no Tekken on the DC. Virtua Fighter and Soul Calibur will have to fulfill all your 3D fighting needs.

y2jedi

06-03-2006, 07:53 PM

I used to go home on my lunch break and take Crazy Taxi for a few spins to relieve stress. I still have mine w/20+ games and 4 1st party controllers and VMUs. Since I got the 360 it doesn't get the love it once did, but I still spent about as much time on it as did my Xbox or GC.

Viva la Dreamcast !!!

SMMM

06-03-2006, 08:08 PM

Sorry, no Tekken on the DC. Virtua Fighter and Soul Calibur will have to fulfill all your 3D fighting needs.

Technically, there is "Bleem! Tekken 3". As for 2D, there is...

King of Fighters Dream Match '99 (actually '98)
King of Fighters Evolution (actually '99)
King of Fighters '00-'02 (imports)
Last Blade 2
Fatal Fury: Mark of the Wolves
Marvel vs. Capcom 1 & 2
Project Justice (technically 2.5D)
Vampire Chronicals (Import)
Capcom vs. SNK
Capcom vs. SNK 2 (Import)

KOF Dreammatch, Mark of the Wolves, and Project Justice are my personal favorites.

solid snake

06-03-2006, 09:17 PM

LOL! That would make for a great gaming experience!

I actually just ran out to a "classic" gaming store 2 towns over and bought one. Probably 10-15 dollars more than what I would have paid on ebay but I already have it! I picked up NFL 2k2 for it too. Now I need some games and accessories. Need something like King of Fighters or Tekken.

Damn this site, it should be called Broke Ass Gamer instead :lol:

RC
oh you have to get Super Run about either the us version or japenese that game was the best.
i didnt even know what to do half the time but it was fun its like grand theft auto but you cant get out of your car.

dcfox

06-04-2006, 01:00 AM

Technically, there is "Bleem! Tekken 3". As for 2D, there is...

King of Fighters Dream Match '99 (actually '98)
King of Fighters Evolution (actually '99)
King of Fighters '00-'02 (imports)
Last Blade 2
Fatal Fury: Mark of the Wolves
Marvel vs. Capcom 1 & 2
Project Justice (technically 2.5D)
Vampire Chronicals (Import)
Capcom vs. SNK
Capcom vs. SNK 2 (Import)

KOF Dreammatch, Mark of the Wolves, and Project Justice are my personal favorites.
But counting Bleem would be like counting any other games running on a emulator :lol: On the 3D side I also forgot Power Stone 1&2 and Soul Fighter. And not sure if it would go under 2d or 3d but there was also Plasma Sword.

Richlough

06-04-2006, 01:31 AM

But counting Bleem would be like counting any other games running on a emulator :lol: On the 3D side I also forgot Power Stone 1&2 and Soul Fighter. And not sure if it would go under 2d or 3d but there was also Plasma Sword.

So count MGS & GT2 .
What's the big deal .

I know you were talking about fighting games , but there's only 3 bleem games anyway .

solid snake

06-04-2006, 02:39 AM

So count MGS & GT2 .
What's the big deal .

I know you were talking about fighting games , but there's only 3 bleem games anyway .
i all ways ment to get that bleemcast thing but never did

Chacrana

06-04-2006, 03:01 AM

But counting Bleem would be like counting any other games running on a emulator :lol: On the 3D side I also forgot Power Stone 1&2 and Soul Fighter. And not sure if it would go under 2d or 3d but there was also Plasma Sword.

Plasma Sword was 3D.

And as for Project Justice... I dunno if I'd call that 2.5D... the graphics are 3D and you can sidestep so it's technically not on a 2D plane... 3D graphics and gameplay = 3D.

DMBListener

06-04-2006, 04:38 PM

The Dreamcast Checklist (http://72.230.41.121/the_dreamcast_checklist.pdf), is just what it says. Originally published by SEGA in 2003. The Dreamcast has about double the processing power as a PS2 but still lacked in the games departmnet. Propeller Arena, a game never officially released was leaked on to the internet not too long ago and it's the best flight sim for the console.

IGN or GameSpot or one of those huge ass gaming sites has a top 10 list for the dozen or so game generes Dreamcast had to offer.

willardhaven

06-04-2006, 05:41 PM

Double the power of PS2? Damn that thing could have been sick had it been around for a few more years.

SMMM

06-04-2006, 05:54 PM

what was the capacity of a GD-ROM disc?

Photomotoz

06-04-2006, 06:12 PM

what was the capacity of a GD-ROM disc?
About 1.5 GB.

Correction : 1.2 GB

rscaramelo

06-05-2006, 12:21 AM

SMMM

06-05-2006, 01:09 AM

About 1.5 GB.

Correction : 1.2 GB

So actually less than GCN? Ouch.

btw, if the DC kept on going, would the Xbox be here? I mean, did Microsoft just see a spot open and took it?

solid snake

06-05-2006, 02:06 AM

Roufuss

06-05-2006, 02:37 AM

Looking back on the Dreamcast... it's now obsolete.

I'm no hater, I mean, check my sig, I own a ton of Dreamcast games... but sadly, everything that is decent on the system has been ported or will be ported over soon.

It was awesome while it was out, but I think it's one of the few systems that's now obsolete. I'm sure someone will come in and name a bunch of true DC exclusives that didn't get ported, but its late and I really can't think of any true DC exclusives that are mind blowing that you can't get elsewhere.

Yea... I looked through my list, and I'm really not seeing anything.

Project Justice, Samba De Amigo, and Record of Lodoss War are the only ones I can think of (other then some shmups, but the best ones like Ikaruga still got ported)... I never really realized how many DC games either weren't worth it or got ported.

I'll throw KoF 98 on that small list for now, but Chacrana has told me that it's rumored to be getting an overhaul on PS2 similar to KoF 94 Rebout, so it's just a matter of time.

Chacrana

06-05-2006, 02:40 AM

Roufuss

06-05-2006, 02:49 AM

Well, the original Jet Set Radio and Shenmue 1 (and I'd argue Shenmue II because the dub the Xbox version got was awful) were fantastic as well and haven't been ported... and really, most ports of games that were originally on the DC didn't turn out well... like Grandia II.

But yeah, the system has it's classics, but the vast majority of the library is worthless now.

Yea, but most of them turned out ok... Evolution, Skies of Arcadia, the Sonic Adventure games, all the fighters, the upcoming Powerstone ports to PSP are upgraded ports. Jet Set Radio Future is decent, as well, and Jet Set Radio on the GBA is a good game too.

It's kind of sad, in a way. The Dreamcast was once the pride of my collection but now I can easily see myself dumping 80% of the titles I own since I can rebuy them at cheap prices for other systems. I can't think of another system that has had most of it's library dumped elsewhere... I can name a ton of games that were released on other systems that make the system worth buying, but I really can't do that on the DC... I can think of five or six games, but nearly everything worthwhile has been ported.

I can add Shenmue to that small list, but I have to take out Samba De Amigo, since I forgot the maracas are expensive and the game isn't that great without them. I was really convinced back then that the DC was amazing, and I remember that I scooped every cheap title I could grab... this was pre CAG so clearance games at low low prices was awesome (Best Buy was running some crazy deals back then on clearance DC games).

I haven't hooked up the system in close to two years at this point :(

Looking at prices on Ebay, it looks like most of the shooters that came out near the end of the system's life have gone up in price... games like Border Down and Ikaruga (which I still have factory sealed).

Chacrana

06-05-2006, 12:11 PM

Yea, but most of them turned out ok... Evolution, Skies of Arcadia, the Sonic Adventure games, all the fighters, the upcoming Powerstone ports to PSP are upgraded ports. Jet Set Radio Future is decent, as well, and Jet Set Radio on the GBA is a good game too.

It's kind of sad, in a way. The Dreamcast was once the pride of my collection but now I can easily see myself dumping 80% of the titles I own since I can rebuy them at cheap prices for other systems. I can't think of another system that has had most of it's library dumped elsewhere... I can name a ton of games that were released on other systems that make the system worth buying, but I really can't do that on the DC... I can think of five or six games, but nearly everything worthwhile has been ported.

I can add Shenmue to that small list, but I have to take out Samba De Amigo, since I forgot the maracas are expensive and the game isn't that great without them. I was really convinced back then that the DC was amazing, and I remember that I scooped every cheap title I could grab... this was pre CAG so clearance games at low low prices was awesome (Best Buy was running some crazy deals back then on clearance DC games).

I haven't hooked up the system in close to two years at this point :(

Looking at prices on Ebay, it looks like most of the shooters that came out near the end of the system's life have gone up in price... games like Border Down and Ikaruga (which I still have factory sealed).

Well at the very least, if you get rid of 80% of your DC games, not only will your collection be better, but you'll have more space for stuff and a lot more money.

whitereflection

06-05-2006, 01:05 PM

3 questions:

1. Awhile back, Gamestop or EB was doing some deal where you could get a ton of games for something like $30 for the DC.... is the deal still out there? I've searched and it looks like it's MIA.
2. Anybody use any of the homebrewed games available? Any good?
3. I see there's a broadband adapter...is it useless now?

RC

1. It was like a dozen or so games for $50, but most of them were crap or old sports games. Even if it was still available, you wouldn't want them.
2. The homebrew scene was quite robust in its day - even now, actually. Besides the plethora of 2D shooters, you had Feet of Fury (a more advanced version of DDR) and Cool Herders (a nifty little puzzle game). Don't even get me started on emulation; how does hundreds of NES, Game Boy, or Genesis games on one disc sound?
3. You can still use it, but even if you can find one on the cheap, there aren't a lot of players online. If you want to use broadband on your DC, you're probably better off connecting to it from your PC.

Rozz

06-05-2006, 01:53 PM

Eh, I found the Dreamcast to be a pretty overrated system and I find it ridiculous when people compare it game-wise to the current-gen systems. The PSX and N64 just had much better games than the DC, even if their graphics were behind it.

And I dont know who said that Shenmue II on Xbox is awful... but its not. The dubs are actually better.

guido_anchovy_9

06-05-2006, 02:29 PM

I don't know how "rare" it is now and you might have trouble finding a copy, but Tech Romancer was a very interesting fighter on the DC. If you've seen most mainstream Mech animes, they've probably got a knock-off one in there for you. The idea and graphics were nice but once I started playing it, I knew I didn't like it--- but I kept coming back for more. I found it odd that my friends and I were snagging this game for $20 at a Capcom booth at a con I went to, and the game didn't seem to be that old at all. Actually, now that I think about it, their website was having a sale were most of their DC games were like under $25 or something. I'm pretty sure it was during the DC's last legs but it wasn't out for the count yet.

Project Justice and Capcom Vs SNK 2 still get the most love from me on the DC to this day. Whenever I explained Project Justice to my friends, I just told them it was a fighter with 2-D moves, 3-D graphics and moving in the foreground and background. I didn't have to explain any 2.5D stuff..

I want my Samba de Amigo port, dammit! It could work really well with the Wiimotes, so here's to hoping..

The Typing of the Dead game was fun, but pretty brutal when giving your typing speed. The stuff you had to type was awesome. Nothing is better than taking on a giant zombie with a chainsaw while typing, "Take off the dress, it's for my dad."

CappyCobra

06-05-2006, 09:42 PM

Eh, I found the Dreamcast to be a pretty overrated system and I find it ridiculous when people compare it game-wise to the current-gen systems. The PSX and N64 just had much better games than the DC, even if their graphics were behind it.

Sure when Dreamcast only had a solid run of 2 years, it's easy to say that other systems had more quality games. They had a 3 year headstart to build up thier library. Dreamcast had a higher ratio of quality games during it's short timeframe. Either way, it's your own loss.

KingDox

06-06-2006, 04:07 AM

Tech Romancer I think is kinda hard to find. Back when the DC was still alive I couldn't find a copy. I had to get one off ebay back in the day. That game is a real hidden gem.

solid snake

06-06-2006, 04:54 AM

Tech Romancer I think is kinda hard to find. Back when the DC was still alive I couldn't find a copy. I had to get one off ebay back in the day. That game is a real hidden gem.
i have that game just with out the case or book and its a lill beat up

ECW_fan

06-06-2006, 07:52 AM

3 questions:

1. Awhile back, Gamestop or EB was doing some deal where you could get a ton of games for something like $30 for the DC.... is the deal still out there? I've searched and it looks like it's MIA.
2. Anybody use any of the homebrewed games available? Any good?
3. I see there's a broadband adapter...is it useless now?

RC
1. No, but GS did lower thier DC prices buit only have a few left.

2. From what I have played, they are ok I mean how much are you going to get out of people who are not going to make much money off of them. Cool Hearders is good think dig dug meets bomber-man. They also have started running old PC games on it like DOOM and Quake.

3. There are a FEW private severs that you can use the BBA for umong other thing that can not be discussed here.

lordxixor101

06-06-2006, 12:14 PM

Guido,

The one thing is, when everything is said and done, there are only 10-20 games a generation that are played years later. When you hook up a SNES nowdays, they had 700 games, but you aren't looking to play Beavis and Butthead. You'll pop on Maro World or Chrono Trigger.

I think as the Dreamcast goes on, they will have their games that hold their own. Games like Soul Caliber will be used to show what fighting games were like during it's generation. Powerstone is unique. The Sonic Adventure games, even Seaman will be shown, just because most people will never have seen anything like it.

Now, for the comment about a system not having so many ports. I'm not sure if other systems have had this many ports, but I think many of the older systems big games have been ported. What games do you want to play from the 8 or 16 bit era hasn't been ported to another system?

Rozz

06-08-2006, 02:26 AM

Sure when Dreamcast only had a solid run of 2 years, it's easy to say that other systems had more quality games. They had a 3 year headstart to build up thier library. Dreamcast had a higher ratio of quality games during it's short timeframe. Either way, it's your own loss.
Hows it my own loss if I own a Dreamcast and a solid library of games?

And I dont care how long a head start they had or whatever, I go to whatever is the higher quality system.

ValkyrieVF-1S

06-08-2006, 11:03 AM

Honestly, I sorta regret buying the dc when I did. If I had waited a few months down the line I could have bought it for $100 or cheaper instead of $150, especially since I didn't really play my dreamcast until it offically died and there was zero support for it. I was still into my psone at the time and I really wanted the ps2, but because it was sold out, I settled for the dreamcast.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate dreamcast, but I didn't play a lot of the great games until it was game over for sega. :(

CappyCobra

06-08-2006, 10:30 PM

Hows it my own loss if I own a Dreamcast and a solid library of games?

And I dont care how long a head start they had or whatever, I go to whatever is the higher quality system. Meh, to each his own I guess. All i'm saying is that for the short run it had, Dreamcast had some pretty innovative concepts. Some of the more noteworthy:

VMU: Still to this day an innovative piece. NFL 2k3 strategy element of picking plays on your controller's screen was ground breaking even now. Plus the minigames played outside of the main game heighted the experiance by unlocking extras/leveling up characters while away from the main game.

Standard Modem: First true taste of online console gaming and what could be achieved if done right. Amazingly smooth connection over a dialup. Best part of it all, it was FREE (excluding PSO of course)

Fishing Controller: Yes the fishing controller. Even If you're not a fishing fan, Sega Bass fishing was an enjoyable distraction.

Maracas!: Do I have to explain this one? It's Samba de Amigo; seriously.

So yes if you didn't find any of that worthy of your time during it's day, then it is your loss indeed.:booty:

NormanB258

06-12-2006, 02:34 PM

Powerstone 2 > Smash Brothers or Smash Brothers Melee

Richlough

06-13-2006, 08:55 PM

Powerstone 2 > Smash Brothers or Smash Brothers Melee

True dat.

schuerm26

06-17-2006, 02:23 PM

It doesn't seem like it had enough of the big mainstream titles to really sell systems though. If it had launched with a better looking version of Madden or something it would have done better.

Are you kidding me? Did you play the NFL 2k when it first came out on the DC? That game was absolutely amazing, far suprassing anything madden had done or did for the next 3 years at least.

And the fact that people are posting that they are thinking about selling their DC games because tons have been ported to other systems should tell you a little bit about the quality of the games and the system. It was an amazing system and it is really to bad that it didn't make it.

While were on the topic, is Sega ever going to jump back into the home console war? I would love for them to.

jimbodan

06-20-2006, 01:42 AM

Anyone else wondering why IGN haven't updated the list in over a week?

adrianchan56

06-22-2006, 02:10 AM

Powerstone 2 > Smash Brothers or Smash Brothers Melee

It's a well-known fact just that Capcom fails to deliver a sequel.

PINKO

06-22-2006, 03:17 PM

Tech Romancer I think is kinda hard to find. Back when the DC was still alive I couldn't find a copy. I had to get one off ebay back in the day. That game is a real hidden gem.

http://www.digitpress.com/index.htm

Chacrana

06-22-2006, 03:27 PM

Looks like they lost interest... and they're telling you to play all these shitty games now... these are even worse than the original reviews because they encourage the purchase of awful games.

Roufuss

06-22-2006, 04:06 PM

I loved Tech Romancer back in the day.. the game just hasn't really aged well. I didn't believe it at first, until I put some time into it, but yea, hasn't aged well at all. However, I'd like to see it ported to maybe something like the PSP with cleaned up graphics.

I think I can narrow down the DC's worthy games into maybe 20 - 25 awesome games if you don't count stuff that got ported to other systems... it's even less if you don't like shmups or fighters. Record of Lodoss War is still nifty, though, and Samba will always be cool (since I have the maracas), so I'll always at least keep the system and a few games.

I played almost every game before I sold them, and some of this stuff is just horrible. For the record, Power Stone 1 >>>> Power Stone 2

2 is just a mess with too many games and items, it loses the urgency and the "oh no he's got all the gems I'm screwed" factor that 1 had, and the levels are all too gimmicky for my tastes.

seanr1221

06-24-2006, 10:57 AM

I remember how my brother and I got the DC at launch. For some reason, TRU was running trade in your playstation + 5 games to get 100.00 off the DC.

So, my brother and I had a broke Playstation, that wouldn't read any games, and we gathered together 5 of the crappiest games we could find, split the cost of the DC and scored one for 100.00.

Oh I should also mention the guy at TRU was trying to talk my mom out of doing the deal. How the playstation is a better system and she shouldn't be trading it in.:bomb:

I got it just for Marvel vs Capcom and Sonic, he got it just for Soul Calibur.

Looking back I didn't have too many DC games. I just had

- Sonic Adventure
- Marvel vs Capcom
- Marvel vs Capcom 2
- House of hte Dead 2
- Crazy Taxi
- Soul Calibur
- Chu Chu Rocket
- Jet Grind Radio
- Resident Evil: CV
- and Tony Hawk 2

I wish I could find more DC games at a B&M store and not have to go through eBay.

Grave_Addiction

06-24-2006, 01:07 PM

I was amazed to walk into the Gamestop in Guam and find sealed Dreamcast games available. They have about 30-40 different titles and tons of copies of most of them.

I picked up the Floigan Bros. and a few others. I've heard good things about Floigan Bros. and I've been wanting to play it for a long time.

Sarang01

07-01-2006, 12:31 PM

Hmmm some of DC, even if some games aren't spectacular, were certainly noteworthy. Koei's Mansion game being the FIRST Survival Horror game to feature Co-Op though i have the feeling it wasn't as solid as RE Zero's.
I like Maken X and while it's been put out on PS2 that was with a forced 3rd person view unless someone knows different.
Illbleed is an exclusive game for now Roofus, so you missed that good game though I will DEFINITELY agree with you on ROLW. I am SO glad I bought that game.

KaneRobot

07-01-2006, 12:51 PM

Glancing over my IGN collection, I bought more Dreamcast games than stuff for any other system, even beating out my NES which I never thought would be the case.

Shadow1086

07-05-2006, 12:22 AM

Man, this reminds me of how much I loved the Dreamcast... I skipped the original Playstation, so this was my first 3D RPG system, and had some of my favorite overall games at the time. Evolution, Skies of Arcadia, Grandia II, PSO, Virtua Tennis, Jet Grind Radio, Sonic Adventure, Crazi Taxi, Power Stone, etc. If the fan on my DC still worked and didn't die 20 minutes into a game I'd still be playing it. :cry:

sethrhf

07-05-2006, 12:48 AM

Grave_Addiction

07-05-2006, 08:14 AM

So how many years is it going to take IGN to review every single game again?
They are going so slow. I wish they would at least start at one. Cause I really don't care for the games they are reviewing at the moment.

Chef's Luv Shack
PenPen TriIcelon
Sonic Shuffle
Razor Freestyle Scooter
102 Dalmatians
Bang! Gunship Elite

Why don't they spend some time on the titles people actually care about. Seems to me they want to drive people away.

I actually like what they're doing now. Most of the popular games people have already played and have read about extensively, so I think it's more interesting having information about the more obscure games.

psiufoxx2

07-05-2006, 12:13 PM

I <3 Dreamcast. Aside from the NES the DC is my favorite system of all time.

It was probably mentioned (I didn't have time to read everyone's post).. but what about the rampant piracy that crippled the DC? I remember everyone and their brother borrowing games, renting games, ripping the GD-ROMs and burning them for their own use. Had each one of these people actually bought the damn games, the publishers would have turned a profit and continued development. As it was the original publishers barely broke even and saw no reason to invest in the DC. Poor poor DC.. too bad hindsight is 20/20.

My favorite games:
D2, Omikron, RE: Code Veronica, Record of Lodoss War, Grandia 2, Draconus, Shenmue, Sword of the Berserk, Silver, Carrier, Legacy of Kain, Seaman, Illbleed, Slave Zero, Evolution 1 & 2, Cannon Spike, Typing of the Dead, Rayman 2, The Ring, Deep Fighter, Carrier, Blue Stinger, Starlancer, and Typing of the Dead

By the way... everyone seems to love when I post this: Complete US Dreamcast Checklist (http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/8176/thedreamcastchecklistsmall0zv.jpg)

Enjoy!

Roufuss

07-07-2006, 03:45 PM

Under Defeat is only $59.90 at Play-Asia for the LE, it's part of their summer sale. Pretty amazing deal on a game that could be worth alot down the line, just like Border Down.

LE comes with the game + soundtrack... I already placed my order :D

Grave_Addiction

07-09-2006, 08:26 AM

Man, I just picked up Omikron again and have been playing it the past couple days. It really is a fun game, but I think it was a tad too epic for the Dreamcast.

The graphics are pretty bad and there's quite a bit of slowdown during certain portions of the game, but the voice acting is good, I love the storyline and the soundtrack goes great with the game.

Supreme

07-10-2006, 07:10 PM

wow, brings back memories. i LOVED the DC back when it first dropped. i almost forgot about my ps1 when i had my DC. i had loads of fun with it. some favorites among me and my friends were nfl 2k, nba 2k, psychic force 2012 (<3), house of the dead 2 (good times with the light guns). there were others, but i cant remember. one game i loved that my friend put me on was Blue Stinger, i dont think anybody really played this game, i thought it was cool at the time.

i also remember when i bought my DC at launch, i got a BB warranty on it. later down the line my DC would randomly reset, so i returned it and basically got my PS2 with it. i then rediscovered my love for DC and bought a cheap one for like 30 bucks. i was insanely depressed when i found out the DC was no longer gonna have new games, i still cant believe it. the DC couldve gone places.