Challenge 2: Build ANOTHER computer for <$300 [NOW WITH PICS!]

[javeryh]

OK, yet again, I think I'm ready to build my own computer - the problem is I still do not know how... I started 2 other threads way back when (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76507 (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76507&highlight=computer)) but still never got around to pulling the trigger. Unfortunately a lot of the great advice in the other thread is now outdated due to broken links at newegg and price drops, etc. I am ready now - I've done as much work on my arcade cabinet as I can without installing the computer.

I think I need:

1. Motherboard (3Ghz) (with 4 USB slots)
2. Power supply
3. Hard drive (200GB)
4. RAM (512)
5. video card(?)
6. audio card(?)
7. speakers (2.1)
8. fans (I already have 3 80mm Vantec Stealth fans that will cool the entire inside of the cabinet)

I've heard about Nvidia and ATI but I know nothing about them so I don't think it will matter. I'm not going to be running anything except a few emulators (MAME, Daphne, Nester, SNES9X, etc.) on the computer so I don't need it for anything else but some of the .chd games like Killer Instinct and Mortal Kombat 3 need a pretty fast computer to run smoothly so the faster the better I guess - plus I might want to add to it down the line.

THANKS!!! :D

[UnderwaterMadman]

For Nester, SNES9X, and every game I've played using MAME onboard video has been more than sufficient. I don't know much about Daphne because I had never heard of it until now.

Have you ever used ZSNES instead of SNES9X?
My experience with the two might be slightly dated but when I was choosing which one to use, about 7 years ago now, ZSNES was hands down better than SNES9X.

I'll post some sort of build in a little while. Probably Athlon 64 since they just dropped in price so much.

[javeryh]

For Nester, SNES9X, and every game I've played using MAME onboard video has been more than sufficient. I don't know much about Daphne because I had never heard of it until now.

Have you ever used ZSNES instead of SNES9X?
My experience with the two might be slightly dated but when I was choosing which one to use, about 7 years ago now, ZSNES was hands down better than SNES9X.

I'll post some sort of build in a little while. Probably Athlon 64 since they just dropped in price so much.

Awesome - thanks a lot!! I haven't tried ZSNES but I'll look into it. I really just want to get a computer up and running adequate to run MAME because that's what I'll mainly be using it for - the NES and SNES emulators would be secondary. I might want to add a few "You Don't Know Jack" games on there eventualy but those aren't too graphically intense either...

[UnderwaterMadman]

ATX Computer Cases
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
1 Rosewill R103A Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 350W Power Supply - Retail
Model #: R103A
Item #: N82E16811147010
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$29.99 $29.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811147010


Internal Hard Drives
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
1 Western Digital Caviar SE WD2000JS 200GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: WD2000JS
Item #: N82E16822144416
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$74.99 $74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822144416

AMD-compatible Motherboards
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
1 BIOSTAR GEFORCE 6100 AM2 Socket AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Model #: GEFORCE 6100 AM2
Item #: N82E16813138029
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$66.99 $66.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813138029

Memory - System
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
1 OCZ Value Series 512MB (2 x 256MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model OCZ2533512VDC-K - Retail
Model #: OCZ2533512VDC-K
Item #: N82E16820227014
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$42.99 $42.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820227014

Processors
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
1 AMD Sempron 64 2800+ Manila 1600MHz HT Socket AM2 Processor Model SDA2800CNBOX - Retail
Model #: SDA2800CNBOX
Item #: N82E16819104301
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$68.00 $68.00
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ACK! The budget was tight! I am sure someone else can probably whip you up something better but this can at least give you an idea of where you could go with it. It uses onboard sound and video so there is no need to buy invidual cards. I left the speakers out, you can buy an ok set at walmart for about $25.

This motherboard should give you the opputunity to upgrade in the future as it uses AMD's new socket. The processor is a little weak but you should only be running one task at a time with this computer so it should be ok. If you can scrounge up some more money I would suggest going for 1) an Athlon 64 instead of the Sempron, 2) A gig of ram instead of 512mb, 3) A real graphics card.

$300 is a really tight budget and it is hard to fit in a nice processor and such. If you do end up getting somethine like this build and you find that performance is lacking in more graphicaly intense games then you will probably need to get a graphics card. You should also read the reviews of all the parts on Newegg before you buy to. I honestly have not used any of the parts listed so I am basicaly going on what I have heard from other people.

Take a look over at the dell outlet on thier website or any other place that sells cheap computers as well. It might be better to buy rather than build.

[javeryh]

Thanks for the links and stuff - I have a lot to read... Do they sell power supplys that aren't in the tower? The reason I ask is because all of these parts are going to be mounted inside a plywood box so I don't need a case...

Thanks!

[Genocidal]

If all you're looking to play is MAME, you don't need a graphics card. I believe they're finally considering offloading some of the emulation to the graphics card, but if your MAME version is lower than .106, you won't be affected. For the best performance with MAME, beef up your RAM and processor. If you aren't afraid to overclock and are willing to up your budget a bit, there's a nice Pentium D processor (The 805) that can be extremely overclocked (close to 4GHz on air cooling) quite easily, and it'll only run you $120+shipping at NewEgg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116001

Here's a link to tomshardware, which goes quite in-depth on the overclocking of this processor: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/

Yes, there are power supplies that are sold separately from cases, and in most cases they're higher quality, but in turn they'll also run you more money.

[javeryh]

If all you're looking to play is MAME, you don't need a graphics card. I believe they're finally considering offloading some of the emulation to the graphics card, but if your MAME version is lower than .106, you won't be affected. For the best performance with MAME, beef up your RAM and processor. If you aren't afraid to overclock and are willing to up your budget a bit, there's a nice Pentium D processor (The 805) that can be extremely overclocked (close to 4GHz on air cooling) quite easily, and it'll only run you $120+shipping at NewEgg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116001

Here's a link to tomshardware, which goes quite in-depth on the overclocking of this processor: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/

Yes, there are power supplies that are sold separately from cases, and in most cases they're higher quality, but in turn they'll also run you more money.

Thanks - to be honest I'm not that concerned about budget - I just don't want to spend a ton of money on components ONLY to play MAME. Seriously, I won't have any other use for it. I have put a lot of time and money into the cabinet so I don't want to go cheap on the guts of it but I also don't want something that's totally overkill either. The final set up inside my cabinet will look something like this: http://home.comcast.net/~currygoat55/images/IMG_4858.sm.jpg

I've got version .90 or somewhere around there...

[supadupacheap]

If all you're looking to play is MAME, you don't need a graphics card. I believe they're finally considering offloading some of the emulation to the graphics card, but if your MAME version is lower than .106, you won't be affected. For the best performance with MAME, beef up your RAM and processor. If you aren't afraid to overclock and are willing to up your budget a bit, there's a nice Pentium D processor (The 805) that can be extremely overclocked (close to 4GHz on air cooling) quite easily, and it'll only run you $120+shipping at NewEgg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116001

Here's a link to tomshardware, which goes quite in-depth on the overclocking of this processor: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/

Yes, there are power supplies that are sold separately from cases, and in most cases they're higher quality, but in turn they'll also run you more money.
Were you going to mention how INSANELY hot that chip would run or no? You wont get past 3.2 gigs without it shutting down due to heat if you use the included HSF. Add money for the fans needed and a more serious OC'ing mobo and it aint all its cracked up to be. Plus, MAME/ZSNES/etc wont ever need dual core or 4.0 ghz of speed. Total overkill.

[Genocidal]

You mean the cheap, $10 or less fans? I wasn't figuring that cost should be added. This chip runs stable at higher speeds for a decent price. And with some of the newer MAME games, no, it isn't overkill at all. He asked for advice and I simply gave mine.

[supadupacheap]

Thanks - to be honest I'm not that concerned about budget - I just don't want to spend a ton of money on components ONLY to play MAME. Seriously, I won't have any other use for it. I have put a lot of time and money into the cabinet so I don't want to go cheap on the guts of it but I also don't want something that's totally overkill either. The final set up inside my cabinet will look something like this: http://home.comcast.net/~currygoat55/images/IMG_4858.sm.jpg

I've got version .90 or somewhere around there...
You are on the right track J (I just agreed with a javeryh post? OW IT BURNS!!!:hot: )
You can build a very solid machine for your needs for $300. Dont go crazy OC'ing (heat and mobo $$$ issues) or spending money on performance you wont ever need.
As to your earlier question, you can buy PSUs seperate from cases and its in your best interest as itll be a better PSU more than likely and you wont have a case to throw away.
Processor wise, wait until conroe launches (july 23) Not to buy a conroe but to snap up the last gen tech cheap cheap cheap. My suggestion would be a single core AMD as fast as your budget will allow. I think dual core will be pointless as you wont be multitasking and I doubt highly anyones going to build in DC support on a emu.
Ill list specs and my rough idea of what $ you are likely to get away with. Sub $300 is a cakewalk if you are indeed only going to use it in the manner which you say.

Case = fuck it. You DIY.
PSU = $50 will buy you a solid power supply. You wont need much so look at the lowest suggestions (Im sending you)
GPU = IF any of those emus will pass off to the GPU, Id look at a cheap PCI-e graphics card. (sub $50) It will free up your memory and should beat out any of the on board youll see on a cheapy mobo.
Mobo = Cheap ass it up. $70 is the top end, and it better have a solid feature set to justify going "cheapass top end". Otherwise, look for cheapies. ($50) No sense in spending money on a decent OC board because you have zero reason to need to OC. Make sure your GPU handily beats out the onboard or else dump the whole GPU card idea. No sense in spending unless you need to.
Mem = spend solid dough on this. Id say at least a gig maybe 1.5. Prices will vary depending on amount and if its DDR2 or DDR. Expect $100 expense though.
HD = you need so little space its silly to spend more than $30 on one. Look for rebate specials. 80gigs or so can be had for nearly nothing.
CPU = Get the fastest you can with whatevers left over. Price drops will be coming around July 23rd (conroes coming!) so snap up a deal on older tech. You probably wont use the full amount of speed you ll have under your case but it'll make it usuable in another capacity if ever you get a new MAME box.

That should put you right in the $300-$400 range and you ll have all your needs met and the ability to play some solid games from the past with decent settings. (I ran Morrowind off of a $30 PCI-e card and other than amount of draw distance and shadows, it was top notch.)

I could suggest parts but I never do that because people are too likely to take it as gosple. Cruise Fatwallet and Anandtech (hot deals section) to see whats on sale and where. With such low requirements and whatnot, its silly to pay more for certain brands over another (other than PSUs and thats probably mostly due to my own bias) because you arent going to come close to taxing your systems parts.

And dont you dare pay MSRP on any part or I will beat you to death with your own shoes. ;)

[supadupacheap]

You mean the cheap, $10 or less fans? I wasn't figuring that cost should be added. This chip runs stable at higher speeds for a decent price. And with some of the newer MAME games, no, it isn't overkill at all. He asked for advice and I simply gave mine.
I probably came off harsher than I meant to and for that Im sorry. My issue is not with you but with the 805's hype.

Its not "easy" to hit 4.0ghz on that chip. You need to have a very VERY cool system and throw out the included HSF, replacing it with at least a $50 3rd party HSF. And even with that 3.4 is what I would shoot for. (not saying it cant do more, but keep expectations low and be happy when they are overachieved)

And I mean this seriously, its freaking INSANELY HOT :hot: :hot: :hot: even with new fans all about. Nobody's had this chip long term at 3.6ghz or higher so longevity is as good a guess for you as it is for me.

I still like a faster at stock AMD single core chip (for his setup) than the 805. No overclocking needed so no extra cooling needed. Its plug and play. Plus, I dont see a emu ever programmed for dual core so itd only use one of its cores 99% of the time. Although, in your defence, its not likely to use up 99% of my suggested processors speed either (since hes low need) but I feel its more likely to use up total speed later on down the line than use 2 cores (as that takes dedicated programing)

[Genocidal]

Yea, the second core is definitely overkill for now (probably always... I don't see MAME ever jumping to dual-core support, except maybe in an unofficial build) but I was just trying to get him something with a lot of speed since that's the biggest thing MAME uses for emulation.

[gregthomas77]

(I ran Morrowind off of a $30 PCI-e card and other than amount of draw distance and shadows, it was top notch.)


What card was that?

[supadupacheap]

(I ran Morrowind off of a $30 PCI-e card and other than amount of draw distance and shadows, it was top notch.)


What card was that?
Boring ol x300 SE that came with my Dell. It really did fine for me and Im somewhat picky. Draw distance has to be knocked back a fair amount (ok ok, alot :-P) but the rest of the graphics can be tapped up to the high side of the bar without much hiccup.
Of course YMMV as processors/memory/and resolutions all factor into it. My Dell 8400 did fine though.

[supadupacheap]

Yea, the second core is definitely overkill for now (probably always... I don't see MAME ever jumping to dual-core support, except maybe in an unofficial build) but I was just trying to get him something with a lot of speed since that's the biggest thing MAME uses for emulation.
I agree but Id rather have the AMD part that cost what the 805 PLUS the aftermarket fan than the 805 and a fan. I think (after the conroe price drops) the single core speed at that price will be > the 805 stock and will have its own abilty to OC when needed.
I have no faith in the 805 to last as a 3.6 clocked part. The p4s ran too hot and the 800 series DCores run even hotter. (esp. OCed) Its fun to imagine getting a 3.6-4.0 ghz part for $100 but thats a HUGE % of OC which the factory neither built to nor tested for. Its more likely to die in the next 2 years than not, IMHO.

[dafoomie]

I can tell right now, you're going to have heat problems with that wooden case. Be sure to have plenty of airflow. I would have at least 2 120mm fans each for both intake and exhaust, its important to keep intake and exhaust even. What you've got in the picture doesn't seem like enough, you have to keep in mind that metal PC cases are designed to radiate heat, wood will turn that into an oven. And god help you if you're using a CRT in there.

I would buy a half decent graphics card, if only for flexibility. You'll want DVI if you're using an LCD, now or in the future. Plus, you get the capability to have multiple outputs. Maybe its not something you want now, but its good to have the option. Nothing fancy, $40 or less should get a decent card.

Its very important to invest in a quality power supply. A cheap power supply can destroy your whole system. Buy from a good brand like Antec, Super Flower, Enermax, Sparkle, and stay away from crap like Powmax.

For your motherboard+cpu, you really don't need much at all to run MAME. My 1200mhz Duron in the other room would run it like a champ. Just buy the cheapest board+cpu combo you can find. Or if you see a hot deal on any CPU, grab it, it won't be so hard to find a deal on a board to match. A Socket A system would be great for your needs, since they're as cheap as dirt now. I wouldn't spend more than $100 on the combo.

I'd invest a little extra in a quality power supply and a quality heatsink. svc.com has some great deals on heatsinks and fans. Should also match the ram speed with the FSB, if possible.

I can post a few specific deals in a few days... There doesn't seem to be anything out there right now, CPU's, video cards, seems really odd. If you were on the West coast, this would be trivial, you can walk into any Fry's and get a nice CPU+board for around $70.

[CYRiX]

Heres a set:
1. Motherboard - PC CHIPS A21G (V1.0) Socket 939 VIA K8M800 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813185066) ($51)
2. Power supply - POWMAX PSDE480 480W Power Supply - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817163017) ($27)
3. Hard drive - Western Digital Caviar SE 200GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144416) ($75)
4. RAM (Buy 2 of these) - TwinMOS 256MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM System Memory - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820218059) ($19 x 2 = $38)
5. video card - None (left you with an AGP slot for upgrading to an okay card, but with an AGP slot you won't get the best cards out there, but you will save some)
6. audio card (Onboard Audio is perfect)
7. speakers -DCT Factory OG-310 2.1 Speaker - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16836131012) ($15)
8. fans (Your set)

300 - (51 + 27 +75 + 38 + 15) = $94 left

Got all you needed for $206

[gregthomas77]

Heres a set:
1. Motherboard - PC CHIPS A21G (V1.0) Socket 939 VIA K8M800 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813185066) ($51)
2. Power supply - POWMAX PSDE480 480W Power Supply - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817163017) ($27)
3. Hard drive - Western Digital Caviar SE 200GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144416) ($75)
4. RAM (Buy 2 of these) - TwinMOS 256MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM System Memory - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820218059) ($19 x 2 = $38)
5. video card - None (left you with an AGP slot for upgrading to an okay card, but with an AGP slot you won't get the best cards out there, but you will save some)
6. audio card (Onboard Audio is perfect)
7. speakers -DCT Factory OG-310 2.1 Speaker - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16836131012) ($15)
8. fans (Your set)

300 - (51 + 27 +75 + 38 + 15) = $94 left

Got all you needed for $206

Maybe I am wrong, but I think it will run slow with no processer.

[UnderwaterMadman]

Mem = spend solid dough on this. Id say at least a gig maybe 1.5. Prices will vary depending on amount and if its DDR2 or DDR. Expect $100 expense though.




I like how you suggest that he get more RAM but 1.5 gigs would be a mistake. Running 1.5 gigs would force the memory to run in single channel mode effectively cutting the memory bandwidth in half.

[javeryh]

Ack! I'm so confused. It seems like there are a million different ways to go about this but no definitive way... I also get lost when people start talking about AMD, SATA and all the other types... My biggest concern is buying a bunch of parts and then not having them be able to talk to each other becasue they are different formats.

FYI, heat is definitely an issue. There is also going to be a CRT in there as well so anything to keep it cool is necessary. I have 4 80mm Vantec fans that I am going to install. One on each end (in and out), one on the bottom (in) - the bottom actually sits 2 inches above the floor - and one on the chassis of the monitor itself. The monitor is not enclosed and is specially designed for arcade use - I got this one: http://www.happcontrols.com/monitors/491337vp2lg.htm.

[javeryh]

OK, here we go... how does this look?

Hard Drive: $45.99 [80GB]
Western Digital Caviar SE WD800JD 80GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: WD800JD
Item #: N82E16822135106
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822135106

Motherboard: $89.99
EPoX EP-8NPA SLI Socket 754 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Model #: EP-8NPA SLI
Item #: N82E16813123257
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813123257

Processor: $97.99 [2.0GHz]
AMD Sempron 64 3300+ Palermo 1600MHz HT 128KB L2 Cache Socket 754 Processor - Retail
Model #: SDA3300BXBOX
Item #: N82E16819104233
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104233

Memory: $40.99 [512MB]
CORSAIR ValueSelect 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) System Memory - Retail
Model #: VS512MB400
Item #: N82E16820145026
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145026

Video Card: $49.99
GIGABYTE GV-NX57128DP Geforce PCX5750 128MB 128-bit DDR PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
Model #: GV-NX57128DP
Item #: N82E16814125194
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125194 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125194)

Power Supply: $74.99 [485W]
ENERMAX Noisetaker EG495P-VE SFMA ATX 485W Power Supply 115/230 V UL (Level 3), cUL (Level 3), VDE, CB, NEMKO, SEMKO, DEMKO, FIMKO - Retail
Model #: EG495P-VE SFMA
Item #: N82E16817103457
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103457

TOTAL: $399.94

Do all of these parts "talk" to each other? Are they any good? Am I leaving out anything? Is this overkill? I have a DVD drive I can use from an old computer and some old 2.1 speakers lying around that I'm going to crack open (I need to mount the volume knob in a specific location just inside the coin door so I can reach it).

EDIT #1: Video card changed to be PCI Express compatible...

[ashram]

OK, here we go... how does this look?

Motherboard: $89.99
EPoX EP-8NPA SLI Socket 754 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Model #: EP-8NPA SLI
Item #: N82E16813123257
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813123257

Video Card: $39.00
eVGA 256-A8-N313-LX Geforce FX5500 256MB 128-bit DDR AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail
Model #: 256-A8-N313-LX
Item #: N82E16814130197
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130197


TOTAL: $388.95

Do all of these parts "talk" to each other? Are they any good? Am I leaving out anything? Is this overkill? I have a DVD drive I can use from an old computer and some old 2.1 speakers lying around that I'm going to crack open (I need to mount the volume knob in a specific location just inside the coin door so I can reach it).
won't work...you suggested an agp video card for a pci express board. there are no agp slots on that board

try this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125194

[javeryh]

won't work...you suggested an agp video card for a pci express board. there are no agp slots on that board

try this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125194

Whew! Thanks. :bow: I will make the change and repost... Does a motherboard have a place to plug in the monitor or is that what the video card is for? My monitor has a regular connection (the pin thing with the two screws on the side). Supposedly you don't even need a video card to run MAME because MAME doesn't use it... I think... I don't know... I want to install XP though so I can configure everything so do I need a video card for that?

[ashram]

you need the video card regardless. you may want to look for a cheaper pci express or pci card...but not agp

[SpreadTheWord]

For $90 you should be able to find a motherboard with onboard video.

And if you're ok with sending in rebates you should check BestBuy and CircuitCity for cheap hard drives. Unless your going to emulate PS1 or Dreamcast, 80GB will do fine and can be had for ~$20 AR.

[javeryh]

For $90 you should be able to find a motherboard with onboard video.

And if you're ok with sending in rebates you should check BestBuy and CircuitCity for cheap hard drives. Unless your going to emulate PS1 or Dreamcast, 80GB will do fine and can be had for ~$20 AR.

I'm fine with rebates... that's a good idea. Any recommendations on the motherboard? I need one that will keep cool because heat is a concern - also I want to make sure everything else is compatible...

[mofo1115]

I would make a few changes to your config.

Go with a much cheaper power supply. There are many great power supplies that are solid and will work perfect with you for half that price.

http://www.directron.com/4fanpsu.html

I've been using a super flower psu (haha sounds ghetto) but they're actually a decent brand.
Check out a review here:
http://www.devhardware.com/c/a/Power-Supply-Units/Super-Flower-PSU/

That should suffice for what you are doing.

I would advise for a increase in your ram to 1gb.

Also, don't go with that hard drive. If you search on fatwallet, you will find TONS of hard drive deals that will give you much more space for the price you are paying. To start you off, check this one:
http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?pfp=BROWSE&product_code=314392&Pn=160GB_Hard_Drive

There should be a lot more much cheaper ones if you are willing to pricematch and such.

Good luck!

[mofo1115]

Also,

Check out this motherboard:
http://www.pchotline.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=488

or

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=MB-A8N-VM&c=PG&pid=99fb90b3420c227ac1fe330d7c8e01ba21a7c2f9ec5bfd 3e5d54dc18f5689a3d

Same motherboard. ewiz has free shipping so see how much shipping for you is on the other site.

Has built in NVIDIA GeForce 6100 which should suffice for your emulation desires.

If you follow up with these you should be able to get your system in the low - mid $300

[UnderwaterMadman]

OK, here we go... how does this look?

Hard Drive: $45.99 [80GB]
Western Digital Caviar SE WD800JD 80GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: WD800JD
Item #: N82E16822135106
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822135106

Motherboard: $89.99
EPoX EP-8NPA SLI Socket 754 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Model #: EP-8NPA SLI
Item #: N82E16813123257
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813123257

Processor: $97.99 [2.0GHz]
AMD Sempron 64 3300+ Palermo 1600MHz HT 128KB L2 Cache Socket 754 Processor - Retail
Model #: SDA3300BXBOX
Item #: N82E16819104233
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104233

Memory: $40.99 [512MB]
CORSAIR ValueSelect 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) System Memory - Retail
Model #: VS512MB400
Item #: N82E16820145026
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145026

Video Card: $49.99
GIGABYTE GV-NX57128DP Geforce PCX5750 128MB 128-bit DDR PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
Model #: GV-NX57128DP
Item #: N82E16814125194
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125194 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125194)

Power Supply: $74.99 [485W]
ENERMAX Noisetaker EG495P-VE SFMA ATX 485W Power Supply 115/230 V UL (Level 3), cUL (Level 3), VDE, CB, NEMKO, SEMKO, DEMKO, FIMKO - Retail
Model #: EG495P-VE SFMA
Item #: N82E16817103457
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103457

TOTAL: $399.94

Do all of these parts "talk" to each other? Are they any good? Am I leaving out anything? Is this overkill? I have a DVD drive I can use from an old computer and some old 2.1 speakers lying around that I'm going to crack open (I need to mount the volume knob in a specific location just inside the coin door so I can reach it).

EDIT #1: Video card changed to be PCI Express compatible...



Woh! I think you are making a big mistake here. Do not buy a socket 754 AMD processor that shit is old. Buy socket AM2 like I suggested earlier or socket 939. Also, buy two sticks of memory so they run in dual channel mode (it will make the machine run faster). I have not read all the new posts leading up to this new build of yours but so far far I don't see it as having any advantages over what I suggested earlier.

Socket AM2 > Socket 939 > Socket 754

[javeryh]

Woh! I think you are making a big mistake here. Do not buy a socket 754 AMD processor that shit is old. Buy socket AM2 like I suggested earlier or socket 939. Also, buy two sticks of memory so they run in dual channel mode (it will make the machine run faster). I have not read all the new posts leading up to this new build of yours but so far far I don't see it as having any advantages over what I suggested earlier.

OK, I'm definitely listening... can I still get a 2.0GHz processor? I think the one you listed is 1.6GHz... I'm not exactly sure of the speed I need to run MAME but I know about 90% of the games will run on a crappy 486 - I'm trying to make sure I can play Killer Instinct and MK3 at 100% and I think I need a fast processor for that (but I don't know exactly how fast...).

[ashram]

Woh! I think you are making a big mistake here. Do not buy a socket 754 AMD processor that shit is old. Buy socket AM2 like I suggested earlier or socket 939. Also, buy two sticks of memory so they run in dual channel mode (it will make the machine run faster). I have not read all the new posts leading up to this new build of yours but so far far I don't see it as having any advantages over what I suggested earlier.


thing is, he's looking for a mame pc, which he could probably get with even less than what he has selected.... a socket 754 is more than enough for what he want to do with it.

[UnderwaterMadman]

thing is, he's looking for a mame pc, which he could probably get with even less than what he has selected.... a socket 754 is more than enough for what he want to do with it.

Look at my suggestion on the first page its AM2 and its cheaper.

OK, I'm definitely listening... can I still get a 2.0GHz processor? I think the one you listed is 1.6GHz... I'm not exactly sure of the speed I need to run MAME but I know about 90% of the games will run on a crappy 486 - I'm trying to make sure I can play Killer Instinct and MK3 at 100% and I think I need a fast processor for that (but I don't know exactly how fast...).

Go to newegg look at all the AM2 socket processors. You can get a real Athlon 64 for about $100 that would rock that sempron to hell.

[dafoomie]

You can easily get a board+CPU for under $100 total, and it would still be overkill for your needs. Don't fall into the trap of buying the latest and greatest thing, you don't need it. You'd be better off buying a cheaper processor and putting that money into more RAM.

You're going to have major heat problems with that CRT and only 4 80mm fans. If you could, I'd switch to 120mm fans. If you don't mind the unit being as loud as a microwave, you could go with some Vantec Tornados. If not... You'll need more fans, lots more. You've got a CRT, a computer, and the surge strip in there, in a wooden case. Plus, it looks like the power supply fan is just blowing hot air into the case and not out of it. It is going to absolutely bake in there. You could make cookies in there.

Also, are those unshielded speakers mounted near the computer and screen?

[javeryh]

You can easily get a board+CPU for under $100 total, and it would still be overkill for your needs. Don't fall into the trap of buying the latest and greatest thing, you don't need it. You'd be better off buying a cheaper processor and putting that money into more RAM.

You're going to have major heat problems with that CRT and only 4 80mm fans. If you could, I'd switch to 120mm fans. If you don't mind the unit being as loud as a microwave, you could go with some Vantec Tornados. If not... You'll need more fans, lots more. You've got a CRT, a computer, and the surge strip in there, in a wooden case. Plus, it looks like the power supply fan is just blowing hot air into the case and not out of it. It is going to absolutely bake in there. You could make cookies in there.

Also, are those unshielded speakers mounted near the computer and screen?

I am definitely worried about heat but others that have built these things are typically OK with 2 fans so I thopught 4 would be overkill just to be safe. Also, that pic isn't of my cab - that's just a random example I found on the web. Mine is a lot less... full... at the moment... here's a pic of mine:

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/9484/cabinsidewithsomewires0uh.jpg (http://imageshack.us]http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/9484/cabinsidewithsomewires0uh.jpg)[/URL]

As you can see I have a ways to go - I need to start placing the computer components before I do much of anything else. The monitor is 19" and not in a case - people have actually built these things with 27" monitors and are OK with cooling. Still, it is a major concern.

As for selecting the computer, I am obviously taking a stab in the dark because I know absolutely nothing about it (but I am willing to learn). I realize MAME isn't really that big of a deal for most computers so lower specs are OK - like I've said though there are certain games that require a little bit faster machine like Killer Instinct and I want to be able to play it. It's tough to find the right balance...

[MorPhiend]

Can anyone really play KI at home? I have a laptop w/ a P4 @ 3.4GHz w/ HT, 1 G of dual channel RAM and it runs HL2 just fine. But KI is a hiccup fest. Have they improved the MAME engine that much? Maybe I just need a newer version. But if not, I wouldn't be hoping for arcade perfect KI emulation.


Also, you mentioned concern over an AMD 2800 @ 1.6 GHz. The way AMDs run are more efficient. It may only be running at 1.6, but the 2800 means the performance is comparable to a Pentium 2.8.

Also, KI will be tough with three buttons anyhow. :p

[javeryh]

Can anyone really play KI at home? I have a laptop w/ a P4 @ 3.4GHz w/ HT, 1 G of dual channel RAM and it runs HL2 just fine. But KI is a hiccup fest. Have they improved the MAME engine that much? Maybe I just need a newer version. But if not, I wouldn't be hoping for arcade perfect KI emulation.


Also, you mentioned concern over an AMD 2800 @ 1.6 GHz. The way AMDs run are more efficient. It may only be running at 1.6, but the 2800 means the performance is comparable to a Pentium 2.8.

Also, KI will be tough with three buttons anyhow. :p

Really? I have a 2.8GHz laptop and KI seems to run smooth but I haven't really had an extensive playtest because it's impossible to play with a keyboard. I'm running version .8X of MAME (I think) and a lot of people have it running at full speed (but I don't know their specs). that's why this is so tough - if I can get away with a much cheaper machine and have to lose KI in the process then so be it but I do want to be able to play mid-90s games on there...

Also, the pic above doesn't show the control panel I built to use for fighters: :D

(http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3p4cpwithadmin9mt.jpg])http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5159/p3p4cpwithadmin9mt.th.jpg

[Genocidal]

If you're looking to play Killer Instinct at the best speeds, I'd suggest U64 emu. While MAME has come a long way and KI is near 100%, this emu was built specifically to play KI so it will obviously be better than a multi-emu such as MAME. It also might allow you to cut down on your specs a bit, depending on what all you want to play. Anything 3D isn't going to be happening in MAME though, FWIW.

[dafoomie]

I am definitely worried about heat but others that have built these things are typically OK with 2 fans so I thopught 4 would be overkill just to be safe. Also, that pic isn't of my cab - that's just a random example I found on the web. Mine is a lot less... full... at the moment... here's a pic of mine:

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/9484/cabinsidewithsomewires0uh.jpg (http://imageshack.us]http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/9484/cabinsidewithsomewires0uh.jpg)[/URL]

As you can see I have a ways to go - I need to start placing the computer components before I do much of anything else. The monitor is 19" and not in a case - people have actually built these things with 27" monitors and are OK with cooling. Still, it is a major concern.

As for selecting the computer, I am obviously taking a stab in the dark because I know absolutely nothing about it (but I am willing to learn). I realize MAME isn't really that big of a deal for most computers so lower specs are OK - like I've said though there are certain games that require a little bit faster machine like Killer Instinct and I want to be able to play it. It's tough to find the right balance...
So that wasn't your case? Good.

If there is any way you can cut the holes a little bigger for 120mm fans, it would be a tremendous boost. Those bigger fans move a lot more air. Plus, I'd have an exhaust hole for the power supply, those things put out a lot of hot air. It doesn't need to be aligned with the PS, a duct would work just fine.

Killer Instinct runs fine on my computer, had a few little glitches with the sound here and there, but I had a lot of stuff running at the same time. I only have an Athlon 2800+ Barton Socket A, 1GB of Ram and a Radeon 9700 Pro. I'm running Mame32 0.106.

[UnderwaterMadman]

One more thing, try to buy a power supply that isn't going to be overkill. I don't think you are going to need anything over 300 watts considering that you will bve using a low end CPU and won't have a power hungry graphics card. Less wattage on the power supply should produce less heat, just make sure you still buy a good brand of power supply though (Antec, Enermax, Coolermaster, Thermaltake come to mind).

[dafoomie]

One more thing, try to buy a power supply that isn't going to be overkill. I don't think you are going to need anything over 300 watts considering that you will bve using a low end CPU and won't have a power hungry graphics card. Less wattage on the power supply should produce less heat, just make sure you still buy a good brand of power supply though (Antec, Enermax, Coolermaster, Thermaltake come to mind).
The wattage on the PSU doesn't matter, thats only the maximum wattage. If your system only uses 200 watts, it'll only use 200 watts on a 300 or 500 watt PSU. The way to save power would be to use lower power components, such as a lower power CPU, video card, etc.

[UnderwaterMadman]

The wattage on the PSU doesn't matter, thats only the maximum wattage. If your system only uses 200 watts, it'll only use 200 watts on a 300 or 500 watt PSU. The way to save power would be to use lower power components, such as a lower power CPU, video card, etc.

So what your are saying is that a PSU rated for 500w will produce that same amount of heat as one rated 300w when each are drawing 200w?

I think the real question is which one is more effiecient at 200w. The more efficient PSU should be producing less heat. Would you happen to know if a PSU would be more effiecient working closer to its maximum wattage?

[dafoomie]

So what your are saying is that a PSU rated for 500w will produce that same amount of heat as one rated 300w when each are drawing 200w?

I think the real question is which one is more effiecient at 200w. The more efficient PSU should be producing less heat. Would you happen to know if a PSU would be more effiecient working closer to its maximum wattage?
You don't usually want to run a PSU close to its maximum for long periods of time, you typically only want to be near the max for short periods of time, such as when the system is booting. Ideally, you want your PSU's maximum wattage to be twice what your computer runs at. Most people use less than 200 watts, even under a full load. You can add up what each individual component uses for wattage, they're usually specified somewhere. The CPU+HD+DVD+board+video+etc.

Some PSU's are more efficient than others. I'm not sure if many manufacturers list their efficiency ratings in the same way, if at all, but theres an organization thats trying to get their label on PSU's that are 80% efficient or higher, they're at 80plus.org. The more efficient the PSU is, the less heat it'll generate and the less power it'll use. The better brands are usually much more efficient than the cheapo crap, so it should be enough just to get a trustworthy brand.

The real high end graphics cards, like the X1900 use around 120 watts, while the Geforce 6600 uses under 30. The Athlon 64's use about 150 watts under a full load, the Intels can go as high as 250 watts. The newer CPU's with the smaller manufacturing processes typically use less wattage.

For increased power and heat savings, a Mobile Athlon CPU would work very well. Theres some AMD Geode processors out there that use very little power and heat, but they're not terribly fast either and not a ton cheaper. Another option would be to underclock the CPU, its done a lot for Media Centers, HTPC's, and silent systems.

[javeryh]

How do you people learn this stuff? I am so torn right now on what to get.

[Genocidal]

Lots of trial and error, and asking people who do know... so basically, the same way you are right now ;)

[javeryh]

Lots of trial and error, and asking people who do know... so basically, the same way you are right now ;)

Ahh... seems like a very expensive hobby... I am stalling mainly because I don't want to spend $400 and not be able to put it together... and also $400 for just a MAME computer seems a bit nuts but when you factor in the $1,000 I've already put into the project it's not that big of a deal I guess...

[SOSTrooper]

Do you want to have the option to upgrade in the future? If not, that can significantly cut down some of your costs, such as a motherboard. I wouldn't rely on only newegg to get all your PC parts, especially for hard drives. For this week, you can get a 160GB Seagate UATA for $50 after $60 rebate at Circuit City, or, if you need more, Outpost.com (http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4187703) has a Maxtor 300GB for $69.99 shipped.

You shouldn't spend more than $150 on a CPU + motherboard combo. Heck, if I were you I wouldn't spend more than $100 because I know where to go to buy cheap computer stuff (thanks, Los Angeles). You can probably go as low as Athlon XP 2000+ range and your MAME would probably run fine. I would suggest getting the midrange Sempron setup or a low end Athlon 64 setup. Post #4 suggested a good Sempron + motherboard for $157. For now, I would hold on to this combo and continue searching for the best combo deal. Outpost.com usually has new combo deals publish on Friday, so I would wait just a bit. Last 2 weekends they had an Athlon 64 3000+ w/ ECS motherboard for $99, but I forgot if the motherboard has onboard video.

Then slap in $70 for 1GB of DDR memory, and $30 or so for a solid power supply. Your setup doesn't need more than 300W for the power supply, but just get a decent enough brand that has a lesser chance of smoking. For example, on newegg I see that Rosewill 450W for $29.99 + ship (overkill, but priced decently, good reviews also) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817182008), and RAIDMAX 380W for $14.99 + ship (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817152019). 2.1 Speakers, no brainer there.

[dafoomie]

Your setup doesn't need more than 300W for the power supply, but just get a decent enough brand that has a lesser chance of smoking. For example, on newegg I see that Rosewill 450W for $29.99 + ship (overkill, but priced decently, good reviews also) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817182008), and RAIDMAX 380W for $14.99 + ship (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817152019). 2.1 Speakers, no brainer there.
I wouldn't recommend either of those PSU's, the 12v rail on that Raidmax is really weak. And theres no way to know who the OEM is for that Rosewill branded one.

Otherwise you're right about everything else. Fry's has the best deals on board+cpu's, but there are none east of Chicago, Outpost almost never gets the better deals. They'll occasionally be thrown a bone, thats the time to jump on a deal.

Outpost actually has a one day sale on a refurbished Compaq system, $250 for a Sempron 3400, dual layer burner, 512mb ram, 160MB SATA HD, not a bad deal. Not the greatest, but not bad. I only mention it because there are no board+cpu combos on the site right now.
http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4751489

Could we beat that deal by building a PC? If the right sales came along, yeah, but not by buying regular price stuff from Newegg. You'd have to add another 512mb of RAM to that, and I'd recommend an upgrade over the integrated video. Maybe it would be better to build one.

[SOSTrooper]

I wouldn't recommend either of those PSU's, the 12v rail on that Raidmax is really weak.

I actually have a couple of that kind of power supply (even worse brands) with a sliding rail to adapt to both the older motherboards as well as the newer boards. Those rails are actually quite sturdy; they snap into place quite securely even before connecting it to the motherboard. Once they're plugged to the motherboard, the extra 4 legs of connectors will not come off during normal usage, nor would it come off with a light yank.

I think choosing a power supply can be as difficult as choosing a motherboard/CPU combo if money is limited. It's so easy to neglect a good power supply because you can get a Joe Dirt 450W for $20, rather than Antec/Enermax 450W for $70, especially for cheap PC. I would leave the power supply as the last hardware you choose. Pick the motherboard/CPU combo first, get that $70 1GB memory from somewhere, $50-$70 for the hard drive, then choose a proper power supply with whatever money is left. I would squeeze every penny to get a $50 good brand power supply. But if money is really tight, then get a decent $30 one, and pray every night (ok it's not that bad :) ).

[javeryh]

Do you want to have the option to upgrade in the future? If not, that can significantly cut down some of your costs, such as a motherboard.

I don't think so. Once this thing is up and running that's probably going to be it. If in 5 years I really feel like I'm missing out and the MAME developers get some 3D games running at full speed I'll probably just build another cabinet. I'm already done planning cabinet #2 (a vertical mini cab that I'm going to paint pink and put in my daughter's room).

I wouldn't rely on only newegg to get all your PC parts, especially for hard drives. For this week, you can get a 160GB Seagate UATA for $50 after $60 rebate at Circuit City, or, if you need more, Outpost.com (http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4187703) has a Maxtor 300GB for $69.99 shipped.

I picked newegg because I thought they were the cheapest - I'm not against getting parts from anywhere else though. As for HD space, I need enough to run XP and hold 12 DVDs worth of games. I'm guessing 60GB will be enough but I might get 80GB to be safe.

You shouldn't spend more than $150 on a CPU + motherboard combo. Heck, if I were you I wouldn't spend more than $100 because I know where to go to buy cheap computer stuff (thanks, Los Angeles). You can probably go as low as Athlon XP 2000+ range and your MAME would probably run fine. I would suggest getting the midrange Sempron setup or a low end Athlon 64 setup. Post #4 suggested a good Sempron + motherboard for $157. For now, I would hold on to this combo and continue searching for the best combo deal. Outpost.com usually has new combo deals publish on Friday, so I would wait just a bit. Last 2 weekends they had an Athlon 64 3000+ w/ ECS motherboard for $99, but I forgot if the motherboard has onboard video.

Thanks - the reason I am concerned about processor speed is for running Killer Instinct, Killer Instinct 2 and Mortal Kombat 3. I think you need a reasonably fast computer to play these at full speed. SOmewhere in the 2.something GHz range. Most all of the other MAME games can probably be played on a Pentium or lower. I can definitely wait until Friday to order if a good deal pops up.

Then slap in $70 for 1GB of DDR memory, and $30 or so for a solid power supply. Your setup doesn't need more than 300W for the power supply, but just get a decent enough brand that has a lesser chance of smoking. For example, on newegg I see that Rosewill 450W for $29.99 + ship (overkill, but priced decently, good reviews also) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817182008), and RAIDMAX 380W for $14.99 + ship (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817152019). 2.1 Speakers, no brainer there.

I guess I'll get 1GB of memory but I'll probably spring for a good power supply. Money isn't that big of a concern but I am trying to keep the costs as low as possible because it will really only be a MAME machine. Also, I am trying to keep the thing cool on the inside so I want my PSU to include a bunch of fans...

Thanks for all of the information!!! :D

[dafoomie]

I actually have a couple of that kind of power supply (even worse brands) with a sliding rail to adapt to both the older motherboards as well as the newer boards. Those rails are actually quite sturdy; they snap into place quite securely even before connecting it to the motherboard. Once they're plugged to the motherboard, the extra 4 legs of connectors will not come off during normal usage, nor would it come off with a light yank.
That wasn't what I meant by rail. Each voltage has its own 'rail'. 3.3v, 5v, 12v, etc. Different parts of the system use different voltages. Each rail has a maximum amount of watts that it can put out. The 12v rail on that Raidmax has a lower wattage than I'd recommend, the 12v rail wasn't used too much in the past, but the board, CPU, and video card all use it now.

[SOSTrooper]

That wasn't what I meant by rail. Each voltage has its own 'rail'. 3.3v, 5v, 12v, etc. Different parts of the system use different voltages. Each rail has a maximum amount of watts that it can put out. The 12v rail on that Raidmax has a lower wattage than I'd recommend, the 12v rail wasn't used too much in the past, but the board, CPU, and video card all use it now.

My bad, you're right, they are infamous for the 12v voltage drop on mid to high load.

I shamelessly copied this list of Power Supplies to avoid (which might be more appropriate to post on the power supply thread), but credit goes to davidhammock200 from hardocp (link (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=974240))

Some of these PSU's are dangerous to your system, some are just sub-standard,
however NONE can be recommended, for high performance or over-clocked systems.

Achieve
Aerocool
Allied
Apex
Arrow,
Aspire > Dangerous! They don't even pretend to meet the ATX/AMD/Intel specs!
Austin
Codegen
Coolmax
Demon
Deer
Duro
Dynapower
Eagle
EagleTech
Foxconn
Foxlink
Hercules
InWin (except FSP models)
JustPC
Key Mouse
Kingwin
L&C
Logic
Linkworld
Macron Power
MGE
Mustang
Okia
Power-Man (except FSP models)
Powmax
Power-Up
Powerstar
QMax
Qtec
q-tec
Raidmax (except Topower/Tagan models, not sold with cases)
Real PC Power
Rhycon
Robanton
Rosewill
Skyhawk
Thermaltake (except the Thermaltake W0057 PurePower 500W)
TMP-ANS
Tsunami
Turbo
Turbolink
Ultra (except X2 & X-Finity)
US-Can
Viomax

And now, for a detailed list of recommended PSU (for high end PCs and for quality purpose)

I'll just link this, it's really long list with links to where to buy. (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1000883) Of course, most of those are way out of this $300 PC, but there are a couple of sub $30 PSU that may just do the right trick if deemed compatible w/ whatever motherboard that the OP would choose.






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[D4rkN1ght]

you guys arent building this guy a Maim computer.. this thing will do whatever you want... if you just want maim, you could easily do it much cheaper... the question is are you EVER going to want to do anything else with it? go on the internet? other games?

Why is everyone shying away from AGP cards? AGP are cheaper, and can handle all of todays TOP games... sure in the future they will fall behinde.. .but especially for what thig guy is trying to do, why are you guys even mentioning am2, and pci-e its MAIM! there is really no need for high end components... and pci-e will only get better then agp on the really high end cards like the 7900's, and 1900xtx's

[dafoomie]

Found you a few decent deals on board+CPU bundles. Theres an entire page here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2010200446+4017&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=446

These are mostly Athlon or Sempron XP Mobile CPU's with a MicroATX board, absolutely perfect for your needs. Some are socket A, some are socket 754, CPU's range from 2800 to 3100, price range from 103 to 115. Jump on this soon, they sell out quick... I recommend the Socket 754, 3100+ Athlon mobile, here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813135017

The mobile processors are great for you since they produce less heat and require less power. The MicroATX boards they come with are great for you since they're small, produce less heat and use less power. You could use a tiny little case if you wanted to.

These also come with a free heatsink and most include onboard video, though I'd upgrade both. You wouldn't necessarily have to, though.

Ever see one of those little cube PC's? This'll fit in one of those. It'll fit in a regular, full sized case, too.

These aren't even refurbs, either. All brand new.

[javeryh]

Found you a few decent deals on board+CPU bundles. Theres an entire page here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2010200446+4017&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=446

These are mostly Athlon or Sempron XP Mobile CPU's with a MicroATX board, absolutely perfect for your needs. Some are socket A, some are socket 754, CPU's range from 2800 to 3100, price range from 103 to 115. Jump on this soon, they sell out quick... I recommend the Socket 754, 3100+ Athlon mobile, here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813135017

The mobile processors are great for you since they produce less heat and require less power. The MicroATX boards they come with are great for you since they're small, produce less heat and use less power. You could use a tiny little case if you wanted to.

These also come with a free heatsink and most include onboard video, though I'd upgrade both. You wouldn't necessarily have to, though.

Ever see one of those little cube PC's? This'll fit in one of those. It'll fit in a regular, full sized case, too.

These aren't even refurbs, either. All brand new.

Awesome thanks! I'm going to order the one you recomended... any idea how fast the processor is? I think I need somewhere around 2.0GHz to play Killer Instinct but I'm not sure...

[dafoomie]

Awesome thanks! I'm going to order the one you recomended... any idea how fast the processor is? I think I need somewhere around 2.0GHz to play Killer Instinct but I'm not sure...
Its a 3100+ with a 400mhz FSB. Its much better than my Athlon 2800+ Socket A w/333FSB, and my processor can handle KI.

I can't identify the exact processor right now, maybe in a little while. I'd order it quick though, if you haven't already, they sell out very quickly. There are reports of people running KI on 2.5mhz Celerons, which this processor completely blows away.

Looks like Newegg sold out, if you missed it, its also available here:
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-761X%2B31

Looks like a bunch of these have hit the market, as they're available at several stores.

[Msut77]

Im using the Pentium D 805 that was featured on Tom's Hardware, OC'd it to 3.33 ghz no problem.

[dafoomie]

Thats odd, I can find no information on that CPU, even though that specific package with the same board and CPU is available from several vendors.

[javeryh]

Its a 3100+ with a 400mhz FSB. Its much better than my Athlon 2800+ Socket A w/333FSB, and my processor can handle KI.

I can't identify the exact processor right now, maybe in a little while. I'd order it quick though, if you haven't already, they sell out very quickly. There are reports of people running KI on 2.5mhz Celerons, which this processor completely blows away.

Looks like Newegg sold out, if you missed it, its also available here:
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-761X%2B31

Looks like a bunch of these have hit the market, as they're available at several stores.

Ordered. Thanks. I hope this does the trick - $120 total seems like a pretty good price...

[dafoomie]

Ordered. Thanks. I hope this does the trick - $120 total seems like a pretty good price...
Let me know what the model of the CPU is that they send you. Its a mystery to me, as far as I can tell, the one they say it is doesn't exist or is a very odd duck. Worst case scenario, its still a nice deal. We don't have Fry's on the East coast, not much competition for this deal. A Sempron 3100+ 754 costs $83 by itself, it should be better than that since its listed as an Athlon Mobile, Athlons cost more and Mobile CPU's cost more.

You'll need some RAM, 2 sticks of 512 DDR400/PC3200 from a reputable brand should run about $80 or less.

[javeryh]

Let me know what the model of the CPU is that they send you. Its a mystery to me, as far as I can tell, the one they say it is doesn't exist or is a very odd duck. Worst case scenario, its still a nice deal. We don't have Fry's on the East coast, not much competition for this deal. A Sempron 3100+ 754 costs $83 by itself, it should be better than that since its listed as an Athlon Mobile, Athlons cost more and Mobile CPU's cost more.

You'll need some RAM, 2 sticks of 512 DDR400/PC3200 from a reputable brand should run about $80 or less.

Do I even need a video card for MAME? I thought emulators really don't use them... If I need it then I'll get it, I am going to get the 1GB of RAM though...

[dafoomie]

Do I even need a video card for MAME? I thought emulators really don't use them... If I need it then I'll get it, I am going to get the 1GB of RAM though...
I believe having a half decent video card instead of onboard video makes an impact on games like KI, but I'm not 100% sure. I'd recommend it, though. Half decent can be had under $50, maybe $30 for something just better than on board video. Maybe around $75 for something really decent.

Do you need TV out for your arcade monitor, or does it support VGA?

[SpreadTheWord]

The Athlon XP 3100+ is clocked at 2.1Ghz. I don't know if the mobile CPU is any different.

I believe having a half decent video card instead of onboard video makes an impact on games like KI, but I'm not 100% sure. I'd recommend it, though. Half decent can be had under $50, maybe $30 for something just better than on board video. Maybe around $75 for something really decent.

Do you need TV out for your arcade monitor, or does it support VGA?

He could even buy a super cheap FX5200 or Geforce4 MX to stop the onboard video from sucking at the system memory.

[dafoomie]

The Athlon XP 3100+ is clocked at 2.1Ghz. I don't know if the mobile CPU is any different.

He could even buy a super cheap FX5200 or Geforce4 MX to stop the onboard video from sucking at the system memory.
I'm curious about what core it is, more than anything. The Sempron 3100 is clocked at 1.8ghz, so thats a nice little upgrade right there if the clock speed is accurate.

That board has PCI-E, unfortunately. I suppose he could go for a 6200 for around $30, as long as its not a TC or LE, the turbocache version sucks down system memory as bad as onboard video does. Normally I'd recommend a 6600GT for PCI-E, but that might be a little high at around $80.

I'd say, get the rest of the system in place first, RAM, case, etc, and get the best card possible with whatever money is left.

[Americanpierg]

I'm curious about what core it is, more than anything. The Sempron 3100 is clocked at 1.8ghz, so thats a nice little upgrade right there if the clock speed is accurate.

That board has PCI-E, unfortunately. I suppose he could go for a 6200 for around $30, as long as its not a TC or LE, the turbocache version sucks down system memory as bad as onboard video does. Normally I'd recommend a 6600GT for PCI-E, but that might be a little high at around $80.

I'd say, get the rest of the system in place first, RAM, case, etc, and get the best card possible with whatever money is left.

i dont think mame uses the video card as its not a 3d application, unless wanna play 3d mame.

u can get the athlon 64 3500+ on newegg for 115 shipped...which is prolly the best deal on a processor this year...if i didnt buy this damn 3000+ for 119 2 months ago i would jump on that 3500 in a heartbeat

theres also a pentium 2.66ghz dual core on techbargains for 11X shipped too

[Americanpierg]

I'm curious about what core it is, more than anything. The Sempron 3100 is clocked at 1.8ghz, so thats a nice little upgrade right there if the clock speed is accurate.

That board has PCI-E, unfortunately. I suppose he could go for a 6200 for around $30, as long as its not a TC or LE, the turbocache version sucks down system memory as bad as onboard video does. Normally I'd recommend a 6600GT for PCI-E, but that might be a little high at around $80.

I'd say, get the rest of the system in place first, RAM, case, etc, and get the best card possible with whatever money is left.

u also have to remember that amd's clock rating are determined in a different manner from intels. the 3000+ is equivelent to a 3ghz intel, 3800+ to a 3.8ghz, even though its rated as 2.6. I dont know how the higher end ones are, such as the fx and x2 and stuff, theyre all rated as 2.6 but im sure theyre in the 4.0+ range

[javeryh]

I believe having a half decent video card instead of onboard video makes an impact on games like KI, but I'm not 100% sure. I'd recommend it, though. Half decent can be had under $50, maybe $30 for something just better than on board video. Maybe around $75 for something really decent.

Do you need TV out for your arcade monitor, or does it support VGA?
My arcade monitor supports VGA (it plugs right into the computer with the 15? pin thing that has the 2 screws to lock it in place). Here's a pic:

http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/6504/p101016833rh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[dafoomie]

i dont think mame uses the video card as its not a 3d application, unless wanna play 3d mame.

u can get the athlon 64 3500+ on newegg for 115 shipped...which is prolly the best deal on a processor this year...if i didnt buy this damn 3000+ for 119 2 months ago i would jump on that 3500 in a heartbeat

theres also a pentium 2.66ghz dual core on techbargains for 11X shipped too
AM2 and 939 boards start at $60, would run $175 at a minimum + shipping. Considering a $300 budget, that plus $80 for ram would run $255, only $45 left for a case, hard drive, video card, etc. Its a better processor to be sure, but a MAME machine doesn't really need it.

[Americanpierg]

AM2 and 939 boards start at $60, would run $175 at a minimum + shipping. Considering a $300 budget, that plus $80 for ram would run $255, only $45 left for a case, hard drive, video card, etc. Its a better processor to be sure, but a MAME machine doesn't really need it.

o right forgot about the budget lol...are we factoring in windows too cuz thall take up 1/3 the budget by itself

processor+motherboard for 100 sounds good, ram (512) will suffice at 40, case can be gotten for 30, 80gb hard drive for 60, 20 for mame video card, windows xp professional torrent for 0, then u have a little extra to upgrade some stuff

EDIT:: Just a word of advice to whoever is building this, when looking to get a budget PC (under ~400 dollars), its never a good idea to build one yourself becuase it will cost than if you got it from a dealer because of the deals that are out there for budget PCs (if u factor in software and monitor). The only time it save you money is when you want to build a middle to high performance machine ($1000+), then you start seeing the savings pile up.

EX: just buy that dell desktop that is going around for 369 shipped. after you get it, you can dump the 17in lcd on ebay for 100 and buy a 30 dollar video card. The desktop if I can remember comes with a pretty good amd 3200+ processor too **nvrmnd, emachine is the one who includes amd processors, dell has those intels

[dafoomie]

Want a hard drive? 160GB SATA, $50 shipped free
http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4754919

[Genocidal]

i dont think mame uses the video card as its not a 3d application, unless wanna play 3d mame.
MAME is fully emulated by the processor so no video card is needed for it, but if you want to do stuff like N64 it wouldn't hurt to have a cheap video card.

[dafoomie]

80GB hard drive for $30
http://www.pcliquidator.com/privatesale.asp

[javeryh]

80GB hard drive for $30
http://www.pcliquidator.com/privatesale.asp

Is that compatible with the motherboard/processor that I ordered?

[dafoomie]

Is that compatible with the motherboard/processor that I ordered?
Its a standard IDE hard drive, it'll work with anything.

I dunno if 80GB is enough for you, but thats pretty cheap. I might think about passing since I see now that it only has a 30 day warranty.

[javeryh]

Its a standard IDE hard drive, it'll work with anything.

I dunno if 80GB is enough for you, but thats pretty cheap. I might think about passing since I see now that it only has a 30 day warranty.

What does SATA mean? Is it different from IDE? The external hard drive I bought for my laptop was SATA...

I think 80GB will be plenty... I have 12 DVDs worth of games (8 MAME and 4 NES/SNES) but only 3 of the 8 MAME DVDs have games - the other 5 discs are filled with .chd files for games I probably won't play other than Killer Instinct...

[dafoomie]

What does SATA mean? Is it different from IDE? The external hard drive I bought for my laptop was SATA...

I think 80GB will be plenty... I have 12 DVDs worth of games (8 MAME and 4 NES/SNES) but only 3 of the 8 MAME DVDs have games - the other 5 discs are filled with .chd files for games I probably won't play other than Killer Instinct...
SATA is a different interface, its faster and uses thinner, round cables while IDE uses either the ribbon cables or the thick rounded ones. Everything since the 80s has IDE. Most recent stuff has SATA too, you've got both, so you can use either one.

Here's a good power supply guide, pretty accurate.
http://jonnyguru.com/ratethebrands.html

Don't buy red or orange, yellow is fine if its a Sparkle or Fortron, he underrates those for whatever reason. You need at least 20 to 24 amps on the 12v rail, and I wouldn't spend more than $30-$40. Well, I wouldn't spend more than $30, but $40 is pretty acceptable.

[dafoomie]

Here's a deal at Radioshack of all places.
http://www.radioshack.com/category/index.jsp?categoryId=2063031&cp=2032061

The case is $10 AR, the PSU is $20 AR. That PSU is nice. Free shipping there on orders $50 or up, which would be the case and PSU before rebates. You'd even be fine with the $10 PSU there, too, but the other one is worth an extra $10. Dual 12v rails and 78% efficiency ain't bad.

[javeryh]

Is this still a good PSU? http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2286096&cp

I think my motherboard/processor arrived today so now I guess I'm going to have to buy the rest of this thing.

I still need:

1. PSU
2. RAM (1GB)
3. HDD (approximately 60-80GB)
4. Video Card (I think sound is included with my motherboard)

I think this is everything, right? I have a DVD-ROM that I can use from an old computer...

[dafoomie]

Is this still a good PSU? http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2286096&cp

I think my motherboard/processor arrived today so now I guess I'm going to have to buy the rest of this thing.

I still need:

1. PSU
2. RAM (1GB)
3. HDD (approximately 60-80GB)
4. Video Card (I think sound is included with my motherboard)

I think this is everything, right? I have a DVD-ROM that I can use from an old computer...
I wouldn't buy Cooler Master and I wouldn't pay that much. Looks like the offer I linked to changed this week, disregard it.

You don't really need a DVD drive for anything other than installing Windows, you can just take it out afterwards.

Be sure to test and inspect the board+CPU ASAP. Test it out on your own PSU if you have to, no need to install it in the case. Better to deal with any potential problems now, instead of finding out when the other parts arrive that something doesn't work.

[dafoomie]

Heres a deal on a PSU:
http://www.svc.com/w0031.html

Theres some cheap shit cases there, too, on the clearance page:
http://svcompucycle.stores.yahoo.net/clearance.html

Thats where I usually go for my fan, heatsink, and cable needs. They've also got some things like a 75 cent mouse, $2.99 speakers, etc. You can probably get the best deal on things like IDE cables there if you need some. If you need fans, they're usually cheaper than anybody.

[javeryh]

Thanks! I just opened the box and I think they forgot to ship the Athlon XP M 3100+ but I can't tell. What does the processor look like? THe thing they shipped to me looks like this:

https://www.ewiz.com/newg/M/B/-/MB-761X+31/MB-761X+31_LG.GIF

[javeryh]

OK, after careful inspection, there is a fan covering the white square in the middle of the picture above and there is something covering the silver circle in the lower right... those are the only differences I can see. Could the processor be underneath the fan?

I'm going to order the remaining parts at work tomorrow... I'm getting psyched to finish this thing.

[dafoomie]

OK, after careful inspection, there is a fan covering the white square in the middle of the picture above and there is something covering the silver circle in the lower right... those are the only differences I can see. Could the processor be underneath the fan?

I'm going to order the remaining parts at work tomorrow... I'm getting psyched to finish this thing.
The CPU should be under the heatsink and fan.

You can take the heatsink off and check, but you'll need to clean both the CPU and Heatsink, and apply new thermal grease (Arctic Silver 5 hopefully), before you put it back.

I would take it off anyway and put Arctic Silver 5 on just so the heatsink works better, I might buy a new heatsink anyway but its not necessary. If you do take it off and check, there should be a model number on the CPU. Can you write that down and post it here? It should look something like: ADA3100DAA4BP

In fact, if you could take a picture or write down everything, that would be nice, too.

[javeryh]

The CPU should be under the heatsink and fan.

You can take the heatsink off and check, but you'll need to clean both the CPU and Heatsink, and apply new thermal grease (Arctic Silver 5 hopefully), before you put it back.

I would take it off anyway and put Arctic Silver 5 on just so the heatsink works better, I might buy a new heatsink anyway but its not necessary. If you do take it off and check, there should be a model number on the CPU. Can you write that down and post it here? It should look something like: ADA3100DAA4BP

In fact, if you could take a picture or write down everything, that would be nice, too.

OK, I'll definitely take some pics when I get home tonight. I think the processor is under there because the stock photo I posted above doesn't have the fan like my motherboard does. I just thought I was getting two separate boxes and not an all-in-one.

[javeryh]

OK here goes...

Pic #1 - The box:

http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/1359/arcade0013fb.th.jpg (http://img311.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arcade0013fb.jpg)

Pic #2 - Inside the box:
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8743/arcade0021md.th.jpg (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arcade0021md.jpg)

Pic #3 - Close-up of inside the box:
http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/8990/arcade0038be.th.jpg (http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arcade0038be.jpg)

Pic #4 - Extra crap that came with it:
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5154/arcade0041uj.th.jpg (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arcade0041uj.jpg)

Pic #5 - Super close-up of motherboard:
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/5646/arcade0053xi.th.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arcade0053xi.jpg)

Any thoughts? Also, I'm ready to order the rest of the computer. I'll post the parts I'm thinking about getting in a little while...

[javeryh]

OK, I've selected the RAM:
CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440

Is this compatible with my motherboard?

So that leaves the PSU and HDD and then I think I have enough to get started setting it up... I'm going to search for the HDD and PSU now. I think 80GB will do - also, should I buy an internal HDD and an enclosure with a fan to keep it cool? That's what I did for my external hard drive for my laptop - I bought a 300GB internal one and then a separate case for it with its own fan...

[D4rkN1ght]

all sounds pretyyyyyyyy overkill to me

[dafoomie]

1GB of RAM, $60AR
http://shop3.outpost.com/product/3956148

or

512MB, $38
http://shop3.outpost.com/product/3645865

[javeryh]

1GB of RAM, $60AR
http://shop3.outpost.com/product/3956148

or

512MB, $38
http://shop3.outpost.com/product/3645865

Damn, I ordered from newegg already... oh well - $80 but I don't have to deal with a rebate...

I still need to order the PSU and HDD. So do you think I should buy an internal HDD and an enclosure with a fan to keep it cool?

I'm so close...

[D4rkN1ght]

hard drives dont overheat regulalry. unless you want a raptor drive or something SCSI (which dont regularly overhaet) either... just get however large 7200rpm 8mb cache hard drive you want and throw it in there

[javeryh]

OK, I ordered this for a PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817103937

I'm going to hit CC or BB this weekend to see if I can get a really cheap HDD. I think that should do it for now - an thoughts or comments?

[javeryh]

OK, these are the last pieces to the puzzle... I think. I might get a video card but I'm pretty sure I won't need one to run MAME.

Western Digital Caviar SE WD800JD 80GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM [$43.99]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822135106

Antec SmartPower 2.0 SP-500 ATX12V 500W Power Supply 115/230 V TUV, UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC - Retail [$69.99]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817103937

[dafoomie]

You paid way too much for the PSU. $40 would have been reasonable.

Does that drive include a SATA cable, or did your motherboard include one?