BC update out now! 21 games! Doom 3 and Lego Star Wars!

[seanr1221]

http://centracomm.iad.cachefly.net/majornelson/mnr-6-04-11-178-theonewithpetermooreaboute3-mp3.mp3


Confirmed by Mr Moore himself in the Major Nelson interview.


I know there is a BC thread, but I thought this deserved its own topic.

June 2006 Back Compat titles added:

1. 4x4 EVO 2
2. Amped® 2
3. Bad Boys 2
4. Big Mutha Truckers
5. DOOM 3®
6. Dreamfall: The Longest Journey
7. Fatal Frame™
8. FlatOut™
9. Grabbed by the Ghoulies™
10. Intellivision Lives
11. LEGO® Star Wars®
12. Minority Report
13. MLB SlugFest 20-04
14. The Punisher™
15. RalliSport Challenge
16. Silent Hill® 4: The Room
17. Spawn® Armageddon
18. Spider-Man
19. Star Wars Battlefront™
20. State of Emergency
21. Zapper™

[H-Town Info]

any other good games?

[Chris in Cali]

YES! I hope Morrwind gets in there somehow... although I fear it won't because it used the harddrive so much on the Xbox. Silent Hill 2 please!

[jeffreyjrose]

Excellent! :)

[terribledeli]

So, this week, we don't hate Microsoft?

Hip hip hooray for those interested in BC I suppose.

[LinkinPrime]

YES!!!! Lego StarWars!!!! I finally get to play it again.

[peteloaf]

Finally, I've been waiting for Doom 3! Now I wonder if this includes The LE version and the Expansion.

[deadite76]

YES!!!! Lego StarWars!!!! I finally get to play it again.

Just in time for the Original Trilogy in Spetember!!

[Scorch]

As said above, I hope the LE works. Bring on support for Conker!

[Tha Xecutioner]

It'd be cool if they showed Riddick some love

[Logain8955]

Anyone have the full list? I'm not gonna listen to an hour show for it.

[2Fast]

Here's hoping for: Timesplitters: FP, X-Men Legends II, Riddick, and Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks!

[R1V3R5]

Anyone have the full list? I'm not gonna listen to an hour show for it.


He only list those two games during the show.


Also, I'd do anything for Panzer Dragon Orta to be added to that BC list!

[psychobrawler]

I'd bet on any other games that run on that Doom Engine. Not sure what those might be. I'm hoping this list is a good one. Fingers are crossed for the Prince of Persia sequels, UC2, Indigo Prophecy, Fatal Frame games, and Deus Ex.

[ryanbph]

good news

[guyver2077]

i wonder why they dont make new xbox1 games 360 compatible....thats a nobrainer..

i would prob still buy some games if they worked on 360.. Mk armegeddon better work on 360 dammit

[peteloaf]

Mk armegeddon better work on 360 dammit

Seconded

[doubledown]

i wonder why they dont make new xbox1 games 360 compatible....thats a nobrainer..

i would prob still buy some games if they worked on 360.. Mk armegeddon better work on 360 dammit

Becuase that would mean the developer would have to do more work....they already have to test and debug with XBOX1, so i doubt they want to do MORE work.

Anyways...hopefully the update will stop some of the BC bitching.

[I AM WILLIAM H. MACY]

Fuck yeah!

Hopefully all the best XBox flagpole games will be on there (Conker, Riddick, Mechassault series, Shenmue, DOA Ultimate, Crazy Taxi 3, Midtown Madness, House of the Dead III [with light-gun support?!], Panzer Dragoon Orta, Phantasy Star Online Episodes I & II, Steel Battalion [with humongous $200 controller support])

[Duo_Maxwell]

I'll be holding my breath til I see what games are actually on the update and see if the majority of them besides the 2 mentioned are some quality games people will actually want to play.

[guyver2077]

Becuase that would mean the developer would have to do more work....they already have to test and debug with XBOX1, so i doubt they want to do MORE work.

Anyways...hopefully the update will stop some of the BC bitching.

yea but they will make more money.. i for one do not want to connect my xbox again to play new xbox games.. my system works when it wants to and sometimes i get read errors... this has kept me from playing allot of my newer games..

[doubledown]

yea but they will make more money.. i for one do not want to connect my xbox again to play new xbox games.. my system works when it wants to and sometimes i get read errors... this ihas kept me from playing allot of my newer games..

I think BC is Microsoft's problem. They changed processors.....two different animals we are talking about with XBOX and 360. Yes, developers may make a bit more if they advertised a game as being BC with 360.

[asianxcore]

sweet. I'll probably buy Lego Star Wars now if I see it cheap.

[FaintDeftone]

I hope the Doom 3 expansion is included too.

[Viva Las Vegas]

Hope Mechassault finally makes it.

[HumanSnatcher]

Honestly, I'd like to see Street Fighter Anniversary (probably won't happen because they'll whore out the Live Arcade version), SVC Chaos (what can I say, I'm a 2D fighter nut), and The Warriors

[I AM WILLIAM H. MACY]

Honestly, I'd like to see Street Fighter Anniversary (probably won't happen because they'll whore out the Live Arcade version), SVC Chaos (what can I say, I'm a 2D fighter nut), and The Warriors
Yeah, none of those will be in it.

(although I wish they were :cry:)

[epobirs]

i wonder why they dont make new xbox1 games 360 compatible....thats a nobrainer..

i would prob still buy some games if they worked on 360.. Mk armegeddon better work on 360 dammit

Oh gee, I don't know, maybe because it's FRIGGIN' HARD TO DO?

Seriously, if it were just a matter of wanting it, Microsoft would have every Xbox title ever release running on the 360 with enhancements. This is not a trivial undertaking and the testing involved for the games is very time intensive. They're recreating much of the playtesting cycle these games already passed through before they were originally released.

The more desirable recent Xbox titles are the result of develoeprs who've been honing their Xbox skills for five years. The likelihood of those games containing the kind of coding techniques that make for the most difficult items to make run under emulation is very high. As more and more of the older titles become compatible the probability a newer titem will pass the testing phase is increased. But there is no getting around the laborious testing process.

[Apossum]

^^^^ exactly why we'll never see Morrowind-- too damn long, too hard to test, and there's a sequel.

no excuse for the 2-D fighters though >_<

[tenzor]

I wanted DOOM 3 to be BC, and now it is. I just hope these games make it also

Riddick
Star Wars Republic Commando
ESPN NFL 2K5
Marvel Vs. Capcom 2
Street Fighter Anniversary
Phantom Dust
Panzer Dragon Orta
Indigo Propehcy

[LinkinPrime]

Update up:

June 2006 Back Compat titles added:

1. 4x4 EVO 2
2. Amped® 2
3. Bad Boys 2
4. Big Mutha Truckers
5. DOOM 3®
6. Dreamfall: The Longest Journey
7. Fatal Frame™
8. FlatOut™
9. Grabbed by the Ghoulies™
10. Intellivision Lives
11. LEGO® Star Wars®
12. Minority Report
13. MLB SlugFest 20-04
14. The Punisher™
15. RalliSport Challenge
16. Silent Hill® 4: The Room
17. Spawn® Armageddon (http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=450002#)
18. Spider-Man
19. Star Wars (http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=450002#) Battlefront™
20. State of Emergency
21. Zapper™

[buttasuperb]

Honestly, I'd like to see Street Fighter Anniversary (probably won't happen because they'll whore out the Live Arcade version), SVC Chaos (what can I say, I'm a 2D fighter nut), and The Warriors

I'm also a big 2D fighter fan, and for that reason I have and always will have an xbox hooked up. Even if they were on the BC list, it wouldn't matter since I can't use my custom arcade stick on the 360. Unless there's an adapter out there that lets you use xbox controllers on 360...

[Tha Xecutioner]

Update up:

June 2006 Back Compat titles added:

2. Amped® 2


AWESOME!!!! :applause:

[mtxbass1]

Update up:

June 2006 Back Compat titles added:

1. 4x4 EVO 2
2. Amped® 2
3. Bad Boys 2
4. Big Mutha Truckers
5. DOOM 3®
6. Dreamfall: The Longest Journey
7. Fatal Frame™
8. FlatOut™
9. Grabbed by the Ghoulies™
10. Intellivision Lives
11. LEGO® Star Wars®
12. Minority Report
13. MLB SlugFest 20-04
14. The Punisher™
15. RalliSport Challenge
16. Silent Hill® 4: The Room
17. Spawn® Armageddon (http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=450002#)
18. Spider-Man
19. Star Wars (http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=450002#) Battlefront™
20. State of Emergency
21. Zapper™

Once again Micro$oft delivers the suck. Zapper? SoE? Minority Report?! Is this some lame attempt to sell more copies of these terrible games just because they are now backwards compatable? Out of all of these games, there are around 8 that are decent titles. Was MBL SlugFest 20-04 really that high on anyones list that it needed to be converted over? Pathetic.

[Swift900]

LinkinPrime, I hope that is a joke... if not, it feels like I've just been kicked in the balls.

[terribledeli]

Talk about ungrateful assholes.

All nearly everyone did was piss and moan when Moore said no one was interested. Then when a reasonable update is done (and I consider getting major titles like Doom 3, Lego Star Wars, SW Battlefront, and Spiderman as reasonable), everyone just bitches again.

You almost have to wish Microsoft would have pulled the plug on this crap so I wouldn't have to see Billy complaining about how Stake isn't backwards compatible yet. Or how Crazy Taxi 3 might never be playable on a 360.

[Chris in Cali]

Silent Hill 4, but no Silent Hill 2? WTF!? No Morrowind, Shenmue II, Beyond Good & Evil, Deus Ex: Invisible War, Otogi? Also, is Doom 3 just the game, or is the collector's edition included? Overall, a pretty disappointing update, but better than no update.

[Tha Xecutioner]

I'd say there's about 9 good games on that list. Not too shabby.

[mtxbass1]

Talk about ungrateful assholes.

All nearly everyone did was piss and moan when Moore said no one was interested. Then when a reasonable update is done (and I consider getting major titles like Doom 3, Lego Star Wars, SW Battlefront, and Spiderman as reasonable), everyone just bitches again.


I for one am SOOO GRATEFUL that they took the time to convert Bad Boys 2. I mean, why waste your time converting oh, I don't know, ANY of Microsofts top selling games when you can have the awesomeness that is Bad Boys 2! This update is truely pathetic. Granted Doom 3 and Lego Star Wars (and around 6 others) are good updates, but why Zapper? Why Minority Report? Did Tom Cruise jump on Moore's couch just so he could push for MR to be ported over?

And for those who are wondering, the Doom 3 Collectors Edition does work in the update. I've noticed no slowdown as of yet playing Doom 3 or the ultimate doom on this update.

[LinkinPrime]

LinkinPrime, I hope that is a joke... if not, it feels like I've just been kicked in the balls.

http://majornelson.com/archive/2006/06/13/June-Back-Compat-update.aspx

[shipwreck]

Fatal Frame is a nice addition. Hopefully that was one that came along with the ride when they were working on One Wicked Cricket. Man, I feel sorry for the backwards compatibility team. It's a thankless job and then you put out these lists of games that you know nobody wants to play.

[KingDox]

The update is decent. I just hope we are not going to have to wait too long before another update.

[repetske]

These games are insulting. Who wants to play Bad Boys and Big Mutha Truckers? I love how anything that you buy for 360 is conveniently left off the list, like NHL 2k6, Madden, MVP, and Street Fighter, Morrowwind. I'm just going to start playing crappy Xbox games, so that I can get the most out of my 360. That'll show 'em.

[Skylander7]

Fatal Frame is a nice addition. Hopefully that was one that came along with the ride when they were working on One Wicked Cricket. Man, I feel sorry for the backwards compatibility team. It's a thankless job and then you put out these lists of games that you know nobody wants to play.

Man, do I agree with that.. there's got to be at least 2 or 3 of these people who play games, and know that they're programming emulation for hours upon hours to wish to work on something like Orta (or maybe something more mainstream like Burnout or Morrowind), and end up with MS saying "only program the easiest first, as it's more cost effective until the day we decide to pull the plug on the project. End result? Drake and Bad Boys.

That makes me wonder.. with the emu-nuts out there working on things like MAME and whatnot, too bad Microsoft wouldn't A.) pull from the emulation community for the BC project, or B.) Contract some of the work out to increase output

[I AM WILLIAM H. MACY]

WTF, still no Riddick?

When the hell will that be added?

EDIT:
However, I am glad to see DOOM 3, Fatal Frame, FlatOut, Grabbed by the Ghoulies, Intellivision Lives, LEGO Star Wars, The Punisher, Silent Hill 4: The Room, and Star Wars Battlefront on there.

9 games I actually like isn't too bad.

[cleaver]

Fatal Frame! Silent Hill 4! Fuck yeah!

[guyver2077]

i only have fucking doom from this list....

man this update blows.. focus on best selling games my ass

[organicow]

I'll weigh in only to say this: I wouldn't have a problem with the BC situation if it weren't for the fact that it was completely misrepresented to early adopters. When MS said that their goal was to have all of their games (especially the most popular) eventually BC, I sold my original XBox. I knew that there would be some XB games in my collection that I wouldn't be able to play for a while, but it was OK. Not everyone can afford to go out and buy a 360 while still keeping their original XB.

Honestly, if they had said from the beginning that BC was never going to be a priority for them, then I (and presumably others) would have held off on selling the original XBox.

You see, its not that I just feel insulted by the laughable game list, but rather that I feel deceived by a less-than-honest sales strategy by MS.

/my 2 cents

[Duo_Maxwell]

Man, I feel sorry for the backwards compatibility team. It's a thankless job and then you put out these lists of games that you know nobody wants to play.

It wouldn't be such a thankless job if they added games that people actually play, like the top selling titles they said they would add about 7 months ago.

One thing I find odd and troubling is why the hell they leave some good and also top selling titles off the list that run on the same or very similar engines to games they've already done. Like why the hell would you work on MLB Slugfest 2004 when there's the new one, or even MLB Slugfest Loaded from last year. Or why not work on Fatal Frame 2 or Spiderman 2 which is a freaking platinum hit title instead of a craptacular budget title like Bad Boys?

[Kapwanil]

While the BC list doesn't really thrill me at the moment, the possibility that other titles in some of those series may make it onto the next list or two fills me with a glimmer of hope. That and I'll gladly take the five or six titles on that list that I care about over nothing any day.

And if I recall, didn't Microsoft say way back when regarding BC that they would be working with the original companies in order to get their titles to be compatible with the 360? I would imagine that if a handful of companies aren't cooperating that wouldn't help the emulation team in the slightest. Also, if each game's code has a different structure from one another and is as nightmarish as most of the student-written OS code I've seen from the brightest programmers during my undergrad years...boy, that emu team gets screwed nine ways from Sunday.

[shipwreck]

It wouldn't be such a thankless job if they added games that people actually play, like the top selling titles they said they would add about 7 months ago.

One thing I find odd and troubling is why the hell they leave some good and also top selling titles off the list that run on the same or very similar engines to games they've already done. Like why the hell would you work on MLB Slugfest 2004 when there's the new one, or even MLB Slugfest Loaded from last year. Or why not work on Fatal Frame 2 or Spiderman 2 which is a freaking platinum hit title instead of a craptacular budget title like Bad Boys?

Well, MLB Slugfest 2004 is the best version of that series, so I'm actually happy that it's currently worked out that way.

The thing is, I'm pretty certain that they are working on a lot of the games that everyone wants. These are just the games that they have been able to get working well enough to release to the public. I'm sure Bad Boys just was a game that happened to work when they got another game working. It can't be the most complex Xbox game out there.

[doubledown]

Yeah, there really is no benefit for a company to put time and money and resources into BC for the 360. They already sold the game, so no need to put more of their money into trying to get the game BC. NOW, I could see if they did that with NEW releases...but I would NOT purchase an older XBOX game for my 360.

I knew people would bitch :)

[Chrono72090]

All I have to say is...

WHERE THE FUCK IS PSYCHONAUTS?!

[Chacrana]

Update up:

June 2006 Back Compat titles added:

1. 4x4 EVO 2
2. Amped® 2
3. Bad Boys 2
4. Big Mutha Truckers
5. DOOM 3®
6. Dreamfall: The Longest Journey
7. Fatal Frame™
8. FlatOut™
9. Grabbed by the Ghoulies™
10. Intellivision Lives
11. LEGO® Star Wars®
12. Minority Report
13. MLB SlugFest 20-04
14. The Punisher™
15. RalliSport Challenge
16. Silent Hill® 4: The Room
17. Spawn® Armageddon (http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=450002#)
18. Spider-Man
19. Star Wars (http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=450002#) Battlefront™
20. State of Emergency
21. Zapper™

Can't say I'd want to play any of those... ah well, that's why I kept my Xbox 1. I honestly think that we're all better off waiting for an Xbox emulator for the PC since no matter what, there's still going to be a lot of games that won't be supported given the amount of work required and the practicality at this point.

[Apossum]

wow, so worth the wait. Glad to know they were spending all that time converting Bad Boys, State of Emergency and a bunch of discount bin crap.

yeah, I am ungrateful because the list sucks-- there are some decent ones, but it's 90% suck. Why don't they get 360 owner input through a survey-- include a list of all the games, allow the person to pick 10, compile the data, and go from there.

[/whine,moan,complain]

[seanr1221]

Not a bad update, but it could be better.

I'm just happy we are still getting more games on the BC list.

[KaneRobot]

Not a bad update, but it could be better.

I'm just happy we are still getting more games on the BC list.

Don't count on it. Microsoft learned from their mistake last time...they won't make any more comments on BC status because it'll cause a large backlash if it's a negative comment. They may be content to just phase it out and not say anything...because if they don't say anything, there's a much less likely chance that the public will get riled up over it.

I'm hoping I'm wrong, but it seems kind of odd to me to do such a fast 180 on a stance like backwards compatibility like Moore/Microsoft have. I think it's more damage control to shut people up than it is an honest effort.

[michael6668]

Understand that when Microsoft's backward compat group make one game work, others might work as a by product.

Believe me, Barbie's Horse Adventures, Bad Boys 2 and Big Mutha Truckers were not ones they set out to make compatible... but remember that Spider-Man and Minority Report use the same engine. So making Spider-Man work, made MR work.

The best place to send requests for games to work on 360 is backcomp@microsoft.com. It’s tracked and they make a lot of their decisions based on the volume of unique requests. This is where Lego Star Wars and some of the others came in.

Personally, I am happy this month with the releases. Lego Star Wars Rocks!

[toper]

Just saw the new list of BC titles, and YIKES...if it's gonna take 3-4 months to come out with a list like THAT, then don't even bother (and I'm an advocate FOR supporting BC). :(

[psychobrawler]

All I have to say is...

WHERE THE FUCK IS PSYCHONAUTS?!

That game sold a total of about 60,000 copies on xbox. It's a great game, but it bombed. It certainly isn't in that "best selling" category. I'm sure Big Mutha Truckers isn't either though, so hey...

I think the update is OK. Better than just the 2 games the last one gave us. It's nice to see a couple of obscure but great games like Fatal Frame and The Punisher. SH4 is a nice addition too. I don't understand the lack of the Doom expansion or FF2 though. I wonder if they intentionally hold back on similar titles going forward just for the opportunity to have more frequent updates.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

I need Psychonauts and Stranger's Wrath.

They're the only 2 Xbox games I kept outside Halo and Halo 2.

[shipwreck]

Don't count on it. Microsoft learned from their mistake last time...they won't make any more comments on BC status because it'll cause a large backlash if it's a negative comment. They may be content to just phase it out and not say anything...because if they don't say anything, there's a much less likely chance that the public will get riled up over it.

I'm hoping I'm wrong, but it seems kind of odd to me to do such a fast 180 on a stance like backwards compatibility like Moore/Microsoft have. I think it's more damage control to shut people up than it is an honest effort.

I honestly don't think it was a mistake, just very poor words on Peter Moore's part (imagine that). When he said "no one's concerned with backward's compatibility anymore" he didn't mean that nobody cared about it. He was actually trying to say that people aren't concerned about Microsoft's effort to continue to support it because they have proven that they are trying to make as many games working as possible. He was trying to say the community wasn't worried that backwards compatibility was going to be abandoned. Damn, this is hard to explain, as it just gets confusing.

Bottom line: Moore did not mean that they were going to stop adding games to the backwards compatibility list.

And Psychonauts and Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath were both very complex games that pushed the Xbox in many respects. As far as I know, both of those games ran on their own unique engines, so they are probably giving the backwards compatibility team fits.

[grendel19]

Just curious, are the images for BC games on 360 stretched horizontally on HDTV's? Or do they retain their original aspect ratio?

[cleaver]

Just curious, are the images for BC games on 360 stretched horizontally on HDTV's? Or do they retain their original aspect ratio?
Games that aren't 480p maintain their correct 4:3 aspect ratio. Games that are also maintain their correct 16:9 aspect ratio.

[asianxcore]

has anyone tried out Lego Star Wars or Doom 3 on their 360 yet? wondering how well they run.

[jalu6]

I'm trying out both Doom 3 and the expansion tonight when i get home to see how well/if they run.

Why do I get the feeling this update was part of a smaller update that got rushed when Moore opened his mouth? Maybe they planned a 30-40 game update with a few more AAA titles on the list for July, but when the BC backlash happened, they just said, "What can we release next week to prove we're not dropping it?"

[Mr Wahoo]

I just don't get it. Maybe I just don't pay attention, but why can't they put more games the bc

[RedvsBlue]

Because backward compatability isn't magic.

[Chacrana]

This could've gone in the old BC threads, but whatever.

It's all based on the difficulty of emulating certain games. Stuff that's relatively plain and simplistic is easier to emulate while something like Morrowind would prove to be extremely difficult. An emulator has to be made for each game that's added to the BC list and it's not exactly making MS more money to devote resources to that task which is why the games that do get added to the BC list are usually shitty.

[mtxbass1]

has anyone tried out Lego Star Wars or Doom 3 on their 360 yet? wondering how well they run.

I posted earlier in the thread that I tried out the Doom 3 Collectors Edition. Both Doom 3 and Ultimate Doom ran fine. Doom 3 was actually nice looking really.

[Mr Wahoo]

Because backward compatability isn't magic.
Is it that hard? Could it possibly be laziness? Is that the official list that was posted earlier?

[Chacrana]

Is it that hard? Could it possibly be laziness? Is that the official list that was posted earlier?

Yes, Yes, Yes.

[Mr Wahoo]

I actually went out and bought some games so I could play them with the bc update. I guess I better start the hunt for a cheap xbox.

[FaintDeftone]

I just tried Doom 3: CE and I can confirm that yes it does work. Woo hoo! That alone makes me happy with the update, but it still sucks that so many great games were left out again.

The Doom 3 expansion does NOT work though. Which I figured. Doom 3 runs great from what I've seen though so no worries there.

[radjago]

That game sold a total of about 60,000 copies on xbox. It's a great game, but it bombed. It certainly isn't in that "best selling" category. I'm sure Big Mutha Truckers isn't either though, so hey...
Actually the first Big Mutha Truckers sold over a million copies across all platforms and got a sequel. Sadly, I doubt Psychonauts will ever achieve those kind of sales.

Also, for all you bitching about Bad Boys 2, Minority Report, et al.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilityfaq.htm
Q: Why did you include some games on the list that clearly weren't as popular as <my favorite game>?

A: Todd Holmdahl answers this in his interview: "As we focused on the top sellers, we discovered that many other games worked due to similarities in their technology. As an added benefit, games that share engines and technology have been in some cases easier to certify for backward compatibility and have made the lineup as a result."

I wouldn't complain when you're getting genuinely good games like Amped 2, DOOM 3, Dreamfall: The Longest Journey, LEGO Star Wars, RalliSport Challenge, Silent Hill® 4: The Room, Spider-Man, and Star Wars Battlefront.

[radjago]

I actually went out and bought some games so I could play them with the bc update. I guess I better start the hunt for a cheap xbox.
Perhaps you should have waited to see what games would be on the list before making your purchases.

[mtxbass1]

Also, for all you bitching about Bad Boys 2, Minority Report, et al.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilityfaq.htm


What they are basically saying is that they were only working on a few titles, yet once they found out that these turd games worked, they are claiming to be putting so much effort into backwards compatability and can now tout this as such.

[radjago]

What they are basically saying is that they were only working on a few titles, yet once they found out that these turd games worked, they are claiming to be putting so much effort into backwards compatability and can now tout this as such.
Yes, that's their strategy. They focus on a few titles and get them to work. Anything that works due to the work they put into their target title is a bonus. Many games are based on similar technologies so it's not a bad way to go about it. Besides just getting one title to work perfectly could take literally thousands of man-hours. The BC list is an impressive percentage of Xbox games, if you compare it to the percentage of titles that work in other compatibility-layer emulators like Cedega on Linux, especially considering that games require a high level of performance.

[shipwreck]

Yes, that's their strategy. They focus on a few titles and get them to work. Anything that works due to the work they put into their target title is a bonus. Many games are based on similar technologies so it's not a bad way to go about it. Besides just getting one title to work perfectly could take literally thousands of man-hours. The BC list is an impressive percentage of Xbox games, if you compare it to the percentage of titles that work in other compatibility-layer emulators like Cedega on Linux, especially considering that games require a high level of performance.

I wouldn't go so far as calling roughly 25% of the current Xbox library an impressive percentage. I understand how difficult the emulation is though, and as long as they are still trying to work on it, I'm not going to get upset that certain games aren't on the list.

[michael6668]

Lego Star Wars works like a champ! Looks really good.

[Monsta Mack]

RSC1 over RSC2? I'm guessing the Live structure made it a pain in the ass. RSC2 is one of my favorite racing games of all time, and looks VERY nice. The first one had no Live abilities.

I'm still hoping for 2d fighters down the road, but I'm guessing those are all a pain in the ass.

The list might be small and there are still hundreds of games left, but something is better then nothing. I'm hoping more of the newer releases go backwards though, because I have a better chance at resisting something that isn't backwards when It's released, and I'm sure some of the developers are suffering in sales since their newer titles aren't backwards.

[dafunkk12]

Ooh, Fatal Frame! But they couldn't do Fatal Frame 2?

I sure hope the 360 version of LEGO Star Wars 2 can read the save for the original so we can still have all the original figures to play with.

[daphatty]

LOL! What a Craptacular list! Glad I never got sucked in to Xbox 1 gaming.

[flybrione]

Not that impressed with the new list of games but as many have said Doom 3 and Lego Star Wars is a plus and I am also a fan of SW Battlefront and Fatal Frame.

I have not really kept up with BC basically because I kept my old Xbox, but the list they have on xbox.com is not a bad list of games. There are a bunch of quality games on the list now.

I know we all want our favorite games on the list like OddWorld, Psychonauts, Riddick, Otogi and Panzer to be included as well as others but I think, (I hope) that if we are patient these games will someday be added.

Until then play some 360 games why don't you?
Also you should never trade in old hardware!

[RedvsBlue]

I was hanging on to SW Battlefront and Lego Star Wars for the longest time but just sold them last week because I figured they'd never end up going BC. Oh well.

[Kaijufan]

The only one of those games I have is Battlefront, so this update is pretty meh for me.
I wish we could vote for BC games on Xbox.com

[JTWise]

Lego Star Wars ! .... Runs to put disk in Xbox 360 :)

Realizes Xbox 360 is still at service being repaired :(


I am happy with the games that made the list, but I am concerned with the rate they are updating. More than 21 new Xbox games have been released since they started working on this update. Seems like they are bailing the water out at a slower rate than it is leaking in.

[Scorch]

It's a decent update. Doom 3, Battlefront, Silent Hill 4, Punisher, Lego Star Wars.. wanting to try out Dreamfall..

..but very disappointing. No Riddick, no Indigo Prophecy, Path of Neo, Republic Commando, and every other great game. I'm glad my original XBox still sits next to the 360.

[HumanSnatcher]

Ugh...typical MicroSloth. Say your working on something big, and then when it comes out, it totally blows. To be honest, I've almost stopped caring about BC. The only thing I have to do to switch from one system to the other is switch optical autio cords. Though I'm seriously thinking of getting that optical audio splitter thing from mono price. Then all I'd have to do is hit the switch on my component system selector.

[seanr1221]

Any sound quality loss with that splitter?

[ryanbph]

The only one of those games I have is Battlefront, so this update is pretty meh for me.
I wish we could vote for BC games on Xbox.com
email them, they have said numerous times, that they try to react to requests. It happened with the last b/c update, as they got battlefront 2 b/c due to the requests. It also has happened with the dashboard, with the recent updates.

[HumanSnatcher]

Any sound quality loss with that splitter?
I've no idea honestly. Have yet to purchase one. With standard shipping it comes to about 8 and a half bucks (at least thats what it is when I input my zip code for their shipping calculator).

Heres the link if you want to check it out:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10423&cs_id=1042301&p_id=966&seq=1&format=2&style=

[Metal Boss]

This is a horrible excuse for BC.

For shame

[GizmoGC]

I actually very excited toplay Ghoulies again. I really enjoyed it. Time to pick it up.

[Troz1820]

Tim Schafer and Double Fine kick ass: http://www.doublefine.com/news.htm

[guyver2077]

hopefully they add matric path of neo already... among other titles that i still want to play but refuse to connect the old xbox

[cleaver]

I don't know what thread to put this in. I picked up Atari Anthology for $8.96 yesterday at CC, largely since the back of the box says it's 1080i compatible. So if I play it on the 360, will it really be 1080i? Can I really play Pong and Centipede in 1080i?

[MillerTime2523]

Yeah! time to get lego star wars..

and time for doom deathmatches yay!

[orntar]

Tim Schafer and Double Fine kick ass: http://www.doublefine.com/news.htm

that has got to be the coolest fricken site i haver evar seen. seriously.

[asianxcore]

I posted earlier in the thread that I tried out the Doom 3 Collectors Edition. Both Doom 3 and Ultimate Doom ran fine. Doom 3 was actually nice looking really.

Sorry, I missed it. Thanks though.

I've been thinking about giving Doom 3 another try. My local TRU still has a handful of Doom 3 copies for only $9.98.

[Skylander7]

I noticed something weird with Doom 3 this afternoon.. the sound emulation seemed a little off, as well as the graphics a little blurrier (or maybe I didn't notice it when it released). My subwoofer wasn't producing bass as well as it did on the original Xbox (it works fine with every other game and DVD). Anybody else notice this?

[epobirs]

I for one am SOOO GRATEFUL that they took the time to convert Bad Boys 2. I mean, why waste your time converting oh, I don't know, ANY of Microsofts top selling games when you can have the awesomeness that is Bad Boys 2! This update is truely pathetic. Granted Doom 3 and Lego Star Wars (and around 6 others) are good updates, but why Zapper? Why Minority Report? Did Tom Cruise jump on Moore's couch just so he could push for MR to be ported over?

And for those who are wondering, the Doom 3 Collectors Edition does work in the update. I've noticed no slowdown as of yet playing Doom 3 or the ultimate doom on this update.


They didn't convert anything. That isn't how it works. The better the emulator gets at replicating the exact behavior of the Xbox chipset on the 360 the more games will run. It doesn't matter if they were good games or bad games.

It may seem like a waste of time to test and verifiy crap games but it isn't. Each game provides data for how well the process is proceeding and improving the tools. If a prediction that a revison to the emulator would get a specific list of games up and running, having that list prove out is pretty useful to know.

Also, if you're training a new guy for the testing task, guess which games he gets assigned? His boss gets to play Doom 3 while he endures 'Bad Boys 2.' It's called paying your dues.

[FaintDeftone]

I picked up Lego Star Wars today. I can't believe how awesome this game is. I've been missing out. The only problem I see with the emulation is that it seems extremely quiet in the audio department. I had to crank my stereo up in order to hear it.

[Deadpool]

Meh. nothing on there i like.

[Sojeph]

They should have still made all the platinum hits BC. Doesnt make sense to me why they didnt. In my eyes they are doing a horrible job in BC dept.

[-Never4ever-]

They should have still made all the platinum hits BC. Doesnt make sense to me why they didnt. In my eyes they are doing a horrible job in BC dept.

Well that's only because you can't grasp the entire situation. As Epobirs already stated; it's not as simple as picking a game, hitting a "switch" and it's magically BC.

I hope M$ gives up on BS just to piss off you whiny little bitches.

[Apossum]

I hope M$ gives up on BS just to piss off you whiny little bitches.


yep, giving up just to piss of fans works wonders for PR.

[Sojeph]

Well that's only because you can't grasp the entire situation. As Epobirs already stated; it's not as simple as picking a game, hitting a "switch" and it's magically BC.

I hope M$ gives up on BS just to piss off you whiny little bitches.


I would rather have one system for certain games. Doesnt make sense to me to keep the original brick box when 360 should be able to do the job. Lately with these broken promises and slow updates from microsoft I am leaning to get a PS3 because I know for sure their BC will work alot better than 360. The BC should be constantly updated with these drought of games for the summer and arcade section is lacking.

[Americanpierg]

If only Marvel vs Capcom 2 was backwards compatable and has xbox live...

[friedram]

Spawn® Armageddon


WTF?

This game sucked ass- it must have "automagically" become compatible.

[LinkinPrime]

I picked up Lego Star Wars today. I can't believe how awesome this game is. I've been missing out. The only problem I see with the emulation is that it seems extremely quiet in the audio department. I had to crank my stereo up in order to hear it.

That's actually how it played on the original XBOX too. The sound was always low. Hopefully the sequel will sound better.

[Roufuss]

You I know, I was thinking about this, and Conker's Bad Fur Day STILL isn't BC... I would think MS would at least want to get all their own games BC before they quit.

I'm not going to rebuy an Xbox (mine broke), but I would want a 360, and Conker is one of those games I'd buy for cheap just to play it.

[Ender]

It was so nice of Microsoft to include a gem like "Big Mutha Truckers".

[I AM WILLIAM H. MACY]

You I know, I was thinking about this, and Conker's Bad Fur Day STILL isn't BC... I would think MS would at least want to get all their own games BC before they quit.

I'm not going to rebuy an Xbox (mine broke), but I would want a 360, and Conker is one of those games I'd buy for cheap just to play it.
I believe Conker and Riddick are the top non-BC games, so hopefully we'll see them both in the next update

[Brak]

You I know, I was thinking about this, and Conker's Bad Fur Day STILL isn't BC... I would think MS would at least want to get all their own games BC before they quit.

I'm not going to rebuy an Xbox (mine broke), but I would want a 360, and Conker is one of those games I'd buy for cheap just to play it.
I'd like to imagine that it has something to do with that game sucking cock, but I imagine that graphics engine is hard to emulate.

[graf1k]

I think the only games in my collection that aren't BC yet are Merecenaries, Fatal Frame 2, Chronicles of Riddick, and Psi-Ops, all of which but the latter probably have good chance of being on the next update or 2.

[-Never4ever-]

They didn't convert anything. That isn't how it works. The better the emulator gets at replicating the exact behavior of the Xbox chipset on the 360 the more games will run. It doesn't matter if they were good games or bad games.

It may seem like a waste of time to test and verifiy crap games but it isn't. Each game provides data for how well the process is proceeding and improving the tools. If a prediction that a revison to the emulator would get a specific list of games up and running, having that list prove out is pretty useful to know.

Also, if you're training a new guy for the testing task, guess which games he gets assigned? His boss gets to play Doom 3 while he endures 'Bad Boys 2.' It's called paying your dues.

QFT