View Full Version : Why Are There No Shmups On The DS-L?
headpiece747
06-15-2006, 06:09 PM
I just picked up Nanostray for the DS-L and it got me thinking I love shmups and need more so I check around and only found one that is announced for next year with dragons and planes or something like that. So am I going crazy or is there schmups that I am missing out on?
Maddgief
06-15-2006, 06:12 PM
shmups
Wha?
graf1k
06-15-2006, 06:14 PM
It's shor for shoot-em-up. AKA, arcade shooters.
mini.boss
06-15-2006, 06:28 PM
Sorry but thats the gayest thing Ive ever heard in gaming.
Rusty Ghia
06-15-2006, 06:38 PM
There are some pretty good shooters for the GBA. You might like Metal Slug Advance, Gunstar Super Heroes, and Astroboy. I know that there are more traditional shooters, but I can't remember their names.
Dr Mario Kart
06-15-2006, 06:40 PM
The GBA has Iridion 2, as well as iterations of Gradius and R-Type.
Javery
06-15-2006, 06:47 PM
Sorry but thats the gayest thing Ive ever heard in gaming.
That term has been around forever. http://www.classicgaming.com/shmups/
headpiece747
06-15-2006, 06:52 PM
There are some pretty good shooters for the GBA. You might like Metal Slug Advance, Gunstar Super Heroes, and Astroboy. I know that there are more traditional shooters, but I can't remember their names.
I am currently looking for Metal Slug Advance but it is hard to find for a good price. Astroboy and Gunstar looks good too.
The GBA has Iridion 2, as well as iterations of Gradius and R-Type.
Iridion 2 looks great. Yeah it seems that the GBA has some good shooters and I wish that the DS-L would continue that tradition.
replicashooter
06-15-2006, 09:14 PM
Axelay remake on DS = 2 screens of pwnage :bouncy:
Roufuss
06-15-2006, 09:17 PM
The GBA has Iridion 2, as well as iterations of Gradius and R-Type.
If you're thinking of R-Type 3, apparently that port was butchered, I never tried it myself though.
I had Gradius Galaxies, didn't like it as much as the others in the series... good news is that it's only $4.99 used at GS. Same with Metal Slug Advance... didn't like it either, but I also didn't like the Metal Slugs for NGPC (which is has more in common with.
Astro Boy is a sidescroller beatemup more then a shooter.
Portables really haven't had a wealth of shmups that I can think of.
Apossum
06-15-2006, 09:47 PM
Sorry but thats the gayest thing Ive ever heard in gaming.
Wait wait lemmeguess...your first game was Halo? Besides...everyone knows Tingle is the gayest thing in gaming :roll:
agreed with the OP, we need shumups. vertical and horizontal...
KingDox
06-15-2006, 09:53 PM
edit,
Yeah we need more Shump love here. It's killer 2d abilities demand it.
cochesecochese
06-15-2006, 09:59 PM
Because to marketers/publishers, the genre is considered 'dead' in the west. Sales of Nanostray didn't exactly convince them otherwise.
Lan_Zer0
06-16-2006, 03:27 AM
Unfortunately, that's pretty true.
I want to see more Japanese shmups on the DS. Nanostray was alright (fun rankings), but it screamed of non-japanese developers trying really hard to model their game after other japanese shmups. It sure missed a lot of key things, but fun none-the-less.
Also, Nanostray had a terrible launch due to Majesco's financial troubles. It was quite the rare game to find at launch. I remember hearing word that EB/GS would never officially carry them.
Some neat things could be done with those two screens for shmups. But things look bleak...
PhreQuencYViii
06-16-2006, 03:49 AM
Nanostray is the only one I know of right now.
animefanakito
06-16-2006, 04:20 AM
Raid Over the River (http://news.spong.com/article/10235) is in development and looks very interesting.:)
nosuchsoul
06-16-2006, 06:07 AM
That term has been around forever. http://www.classicgaming.com/shmups/
WHat is trhe reason for him asking a question using a very uncommon slang word for shooters? Yes, this word is uncommon, no matter if it is in some internet database.
If he is seeking information that is useful to him in his search, and is asking the general public, why would he not just use simple language to ask it in the clearest way possible?
Maybe he is trying to be "uber" by using that term, but the lad still needs to see that he is only hurting himslef by being so unclear with his question. Self-owned as it were. Pay more attention in school, son!
nosuchsoul
06-16-2006, 06:09 AM
That term has been around forever. http://www.classicgaming.com/shmups/
Dude, seriously, use simple phrases, and commonly used words, if you are requesting information from the general public. It will save you a lot of grief. And common does not include an internet dictionary.
Genocidal
06-16-2006, 06:30 AM
Shmup is a pretty common phrase and is usually used as the name of the genre in the gaming community... this is CheapAssGamer isn't it? Heaven forbid that there's a couple gamers out there who don't know what he's talking about, because anyone who would care or know the answer knows what's he's talking about.
Z-Saber
06-16-2006, 07:46 AM
Shmup is a classic term that every gamer should know.
Snake2715
06-16-2006, 10:26 AM
I have a metal slug advance that I opened and never even played (due to time) its in my list. Got a list headpiece?
Mookyjooky
06-16-2006, 10:44 AM
Sorry but thats the gayest thing Ive ever heard in gaming.
Well, they were called "Shooters" - that is before 1st person shooters...
Javery
06-16-2006, 11:12 AM
Dude, seriously, use simple phrases, and commonly used words, if you are requesting information from the general public. It will save you a lot of grief. And common does not include an internet dictionary.
It's common in gaming circles though so it's not unreasonable to use the term. Do most people know what "FPS" or "MMORPG" or "Survival Horror" mean? Probably not but anyone who's ever picked up a controller should know - same thing with "shmup" - it's just another genre and totally common.
Lan_Zer0
06-16-2006, 12:38 PM
Yes, this word is uncommon, no matter if it is in some internet database.
The term shmup is used throughout the gaming community, not just "some internet database."
Ace Harding: Private Eye
06-16-2006, 12:57 PM
To answer the original topic question: because modern gamers are too mush-brained to appreciate a true challenge.
yayece
06-16-2006, 12:59 PM
Indeed, "shmup" is a good deal more explicit nowadays than "shooter." Some poor kids might think Halo, or Quake, or the like are "shooters."
I've been a "SHoot-eM-UP" or SHMUPS fan since I was born (Early 70's), I've "Shot the core!" more times than I can probably count to, and have used the term "SHUMPS" on and off for at least the past 15 years (Since around the Genesis era). Its no more "Gay" than saying RPG for Role-Playing-Game or FPS for First-Person-Shooter.
Don't diss on something you do not understand, especially when it involves my favorite genre.
Nanostray sucks BTW, horrible shooter that people get suckered into for its beauty. Mechanically its broken, and once again I wish these companies would realize VERTICAL SHOOTERS DO NOT WORK ON HORIZONTAL SCREENS. And before someone "Corrects" me by naming something like Giga Wing or Mars Matrix...They suck as well. :D
Oh and Quake, Halo et al are NOT classified as SHMUPS, and by doing so would be considered heresy as you cannot catagorize them along side Gradius, DonPach, Blazing Star etc.
yayece
06-16-2006, 01:51 PM
Oh and Quake, Halo et al are NOT classified as SHMUPS, and by doing so would be considered heresy as you cannot catagorize them along side Gradius, DonPach, Blazing Star etc.
Haha, that was my point. I'd go even further to say that Halo, Quake, etc. aren't shooters either. They're FPS games. To me, "shooter" is synonymous with "shmup." i.e., Gradius, DoDonPachi, Ikaruga, etc.
bob330i
06-16-2006, 02:11 PM
Haven't heard that term in ages.
Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode....hi schmoopy...no you're schmoopy....
Javery
06-16-2006, 02:27 PM
I've been a "SHoot-eM-UP" or SHMUPS fan since I was born (Early 70's), I've "Shot the core!" more times than I can probably count to, and have used the term "SHUMPS" on and off for at least the past 15 years (Since around the Genesis era). Its no more "Gay" than saying RPG for Role-Playing-Game or FPS for First-Person-Shooter.
Don't diss on something you do not understand, especially when it involves my favorite genre.
Nanostray sucks BTW, horrible shooter that people get suckered into for its beauty. Mechanically its broken, and once again I wish these companies would realize VERTICAL SHOOTERS DO NOT WORK ON HORIZONTAL SCREENS. And before someone "Corrects" me by naming something like Giga Wing or Mars Matrix...They suck as well. :D
Oh and Quake, Halo et al are NOT classified as SHMUPS, and by doing so would be considered heresy as you cannot catagorize them along side Gradius, DonPach, Blazing Star etc.
Nice post. What are some of your favorite arcade Shmups? I'm always looking for something new to try out. I just discovered Don Don Pachi and I love it...
Rusty Ghia
06-16-2006, 02:31 PM
Raid Over the River (http://news.spong.com/article/10235) is in development and looks very interesting.:)
Scurge: Hive also looks like it could be a great game...if it ever gets released, that is. It was supposed to have been released around October of last year and it keeps getting pushed back. Now they're saying that it won't come out until after July. We'll see.
JEKKI
06-16-2006, 02:40 PM
Sorry but thats the gayest thing Ive ever heard in gaming.this is the worst thing I have ever read on this board.
Nice post. What are some of your favorite arcade Shmups? I'm always looking for something new to try out. I just discovered Don Don Pachi and I love it...
Do Don Pachi is actually the sequel to Don Pachi so I suggest looking into it...Both are truly fantastic games. Gradius Gaiden PSX is another wonderful game and arguably the best of that series (Gradius Collection for PSP just came out and its the crowning jewel).
Although not technically a scrolling SHMUP, Cosmo Gang Video is awesome.
headpiece747
06-16-2006, 02:51 PM
Nice post. What are some of your favorite arcade Shmups? I'm always looking for something new to try out. I just discovered Don Don Pachi and I love it...
Here you go a PC SHMUP Database: http://shootthecore.moonpod.com/PClinks1.html
Hell, www.shmups.com
One of the best sites on the entire internet.
alystar
06-17-2006, 06:59 AM
golden eye is okay first person shooter and worms open warfare is great uh yea im goning to play it now
monkeygod
06-17-2006, 08:40 AM
Might be a classic term, but i bet not even half the people on this board knows that a schmup is, including me. But I think 90% of them will know what an FPS game is.
b0bx13
06-17-2006, 09:18 AM
Might be a classic term, but i bet not even half the people on this board knows that a schmup is, including me. But I think 90% of them will know what an FPS game is.
I bet that 98.37% of people find your statistics to be pulled straight from your ass.
monkeygod
06-17-2006, 09:30 AM
I bet that 98.37% of people find your statistics to be pulled straight from your ass.
um, yeah, that's what people call a "guess". jeez
Z-Saber
06-17-2006, 01:33 PM
golden eye is okay first person shooter and worms open warfare is great uh yea im goning to play it now
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Apossum
06-17-2006, 01:56 PM
...looks like some kids can use a refresher course:
A. http://www.defunctgames.com/pic/reviewpics/reviewikaruga-3.jpg
SHMUP
B.
http://www.siliconera.com/ps2/mushihime/mushihime5.jpg
SHMUP
C.
http://members.aol.com/atarijag/shots/wolf2.jpg
NOT SHMUP
D.
http://www.gamenavigator.ru/pub/gallery/news/news2005100605_s.jpg
NOT SHMUP
KingDox
06-18-2006, 05:24 AM
Might be a classic term, but i bet not even half the people on this board knows that a schmup is, including me. But I think 90% of them will know what an FPS game is.
You know what is sad? I bet there are tons of people on this board who don't know what a shump is. Because they are spending too long trying to level up all the people in their party and finding some uber weapon so they can beat some end boss using one attack.
You want to see why shumps kick ass ? look at this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nb5Ohbt1Sg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ekotaku%2Ecom%2F
monkeygod
06-18-2006, 06:15 AM
yeah, I get it. I know it sounds like im bashing on "shmups", but im not. Just saying it like how i see it.
I think there a tons of people that that play schmups that dont know what the word means. Not until they read threads like these.
I love this internet debate on the use and meaning of shmup. It is just classic. I swear, people let this thread explode. We need this thread to spill onto GameFAQs for the laugharity! :D
n8n8baby
06-18-2006, 07:55 AM
Nice post. What are some of your favorite arcade Shmups? I'm always looking for something new to try out. I just discovered Don Don Pachi and I love it...
As far as modern (32-bit+) shmups go, most people will tell you to get
(Do)DonPachi
Batsugun
Battle Garegga
Radiant Silvergun
Ikaruga
Psyvariar Revision
I also really like (some "purists" will disagree)
Layer Section aka Galactic Attack
Border Down
Hyper Duel
Soukyugorentai (Otokuyo) aka Terra Diver
Cotton 2/Cotton Boomerang
Homura
most of these are japan-only saturn games. some are quite expensive, but a few can be had for 10-20 bucks on ebay. a saturn with an import cart shouldn't run much more than 55. if you had 125 or so to spend, you could probably get the machine, Galactic Attack, Batsugun, Donpachi, and Soukyugorentai. of course, that doesn't include a joystick....you can find adapters at liksang.com for ps2->saturn. please don't upset the shooting gods and try to play these games with a pad.
if you are looking for some domestic Playstation 2-compatible releases, try:
Thunder Force V
Raystorm / Raycrisis
Gradius III/IV/V
R-Type Delta/Final
Strikers 1945 (actually, this is Strikers 1945 II, but not labeled as such on the US release)
Castle of Skikigami 1 & 2 (in US, a version of CS1 is known as Mobile Light Force 2)
Gunbird (in US, known as Mobile Light Force)
the nice thing about going with these is, half of them are 10 or 15 bucks these days, and the others shouldn't cost more than 25 or 30. the Mobile Light Force games have butchered sound and most story elements removed, but the gameplay is identical to the original versions AFAIK.
additionally, i believe (Do)Donpachi, Batsugun and Battle Garegga (and maybe Hyper Duel and Terra Diver) are playable via MAME......although once you get hooked on Garegga, you will want to pick up the saturn version due to the various enhancements included :P there are a bunch of other good MAME-playable shmups too....check out www.shmups.com for reviews and more recommendations.
You know what is sad? I bet there are tons of people on this board who don't know what a shump is. Because they are spending too long trying to level up all the people in their party and finding some uber weapon so they can beat some end boss using one attack.
You want to see why shumps kick ass ? look at this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nb5Ohbt1Sg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ekotaku%2Ecom%2F
:hot: :shock:
Whats with the anime girls popping up on the screen?...How distractingly stupid! Otherwise...amazing stuff.
PhreQuencYViii
06-18-2006, 10:50 AM
Is Batman and Robin on Genesis a SHMUP????????????????????????!!?
dyreschlock
06-18-2006, 12:17 PM
http://www.dontpressstart.com/pro/works/NinDS_IkarugaDS.jpg
sigh... wishful thinking.
seriously though.. treasure should start developing for the nintendo ds. any genre would be fine.
Chacrana
06-18-2006, 12:26 PM
http://www.dontpressstart.com/pro/works/NinDS_IkarugaDS.jpg
sigh... wishful thinking.
seriously though.. treasure should start developing for the nintendo ds. any genre would be fine.
IIRC, they developed Bleach DS which is a fighting game. I also hear that it's very good.
Apossum
06-18-2006, 12:42 PM
sigh... wishful thinking.
seriously though.. treasure should start developing for the nintendo ds. any genre would be fine.
agreed 1 million percent. how about a true Gunstar Heroes sequel? or a shmup that utilizes both screens (better than nanostray)
dyreschlock
06-18-2006, 11:43 PM
IIRC, they developed Bleach DS which is a fighting game. I also hear that it's very good.
oh neat.. i've good things about Bleach DS as well.. though, i'm hoping for an original title, rather than a sequel or franchise game.