View Full Version : Looks like no more Night Court/Boy Meets World/Everwood and others on DVD anymore
HumanSnatcher
06-21-2006, 12:31 AM
Sorry for the long title. tvshowsondvd linked to an article from a site about how some shows shows are not gonna be released any further on DVD Heres the link:
http://www.homemediaretailing.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?article_id=9257
What I hate the most is that they're comparing sales of some DVD sets to that on Seinfeld and Friends. Duh, those are two of the most popular sitcoms of the past 10-15 years.
I've been wanting to get Boy Meets World on DVD, but I'm sure that they're probably not gonna press them anymore. Looks like a lot of people are probably gonna turn to ebay to get some shows if these whack studios are doing this stuff.
At least I'm glad that they're not doing this with ALF. As season 4 comes out Sept 5th :D
I AM WILLIAM H. MACY
06-21-2006, 12:34 AM
The only shows that they stopped putting out on DVD that I actually cared about were The Garry Shandling Show and Upright Citizens Brigade.
The rest of those I couldn't care less. (:cry:, no more "Apprentice")
I loved Boy Meets World and love the dvds. This truly sucks. Night Court and Everwood (especially Everwood) I could care less.
The only other show that I know they aren't pressing like they should is Mad About You. I own both seasons that are out on dvd and the rest not coming out truly depress me. Why can't they put out good shows like these out on DVD while crap from MTV continues to be put out?
javeryh
06-21-2006, 12:41 AM
It's not that surprising - I'm willing to bet you are one of less than 500 people who are planning to buy ALF season 4. TV on DVD sounds good in theory but honestly, how often can you watch them?
HumanSnatcher
06-21-2006, 12:41 AM
Only ones of the 3 that I listed in my title that I even cared about was Night Court and Boy Meets World (fond memories of watching that Friday night as a kid). TO the other shows like Everwood and ones like that, while I don't care for the shows, I think its shitty how they give fans of those shows the shaft.
HumanSnatcher
06-21-2006, 12:43 AM
It's not that surprising - I'm willing to bet you are one of less than 500 people who are planning to buy ALF season 4. TV on DVD sounds good in theory but honestly, how often can you watch them?
Actually javeryh, ALF is about the only thing that actually brings back good memories of my childhood. Which were very very few and far between
It's not that surprising - I'm willing to bet you are one of less than 500 people who are planning to buy ALF season 4. TV on DVD sounds good in theory but honestly, how often can you watch them?
Just because you don't have time, doesn't mean others don't. I now rarely watch regular tv, because honestly, most shows suck and/are/or reality crapfests. I'd rather just pick up the DVD of something that I know I like or might like and watch it that way/catch up that way. How many times have I missed an episode only to wish I hadn't. Not only that, some of us can't make time to watch every tv show we want to. That's why tv on dvd has done so well and so many studios continuously put them out. It just sucks that fans of certain shows get the shaft.
Not only that, I see you practically in every DVD thread trolling and bitching your ass off. ALF from what I have read has sold extremely well, not like Simpsons, Futurama, or Family Guy and other DVDs, but quite well. Just look at how many people ordered it off of DDD.
javeryh
06-21-2006, 12:48 AM
Actually javeryh, ALF is about the only thing that actually brings back good memories of my childhood. Which were very very few and far between
I don't doubt that it means something to you - believe me, there are plenty of shows I loved growing up - but I just don't think there are enough people willing to buy the sets to justify releasing them. It sucks for the minority though.
I don't doubt that it means something to you - believe me, there are plenty of shows I loved growing up - but I just don't think there are enough people willing to buy the sets to justify releasing them. It sucks for the minority though.
And that is why so many sell so well and they continue to release them, because nobody is buying them? Can we say bullshit! If nobody was buying them, then they (studios) wouldn't be releasing them and re-releasing them.
RedvsBlue
06-21-2006, 12:53 AM
I know it'll never happen but I wish they'd release the last episodes of the shortened season 2 for Boomtown. I really regret not getting in on that show when it was on TV.
HumanSnatcher
06-21-2006, 12:53 AM
I don't doubt that it means something to you - believe me, there are plenty of shows I loved growing up - but I just don't think there are enough people willing to buy the sets to justify releasing them. It sucks for the minority though.
Same could be said of Bloodrayne ever being released on dvd. heh
There are a lot of shows that I never thought I'd see on DVD really, such as Wings (hopefully they won't screw things over and stop them), Golden Girls, or Get Smart (sometime later this year, that comes out)
Same could be said of Bloodrayne ever being released on dvd. heh
There are a lot of shows that I never thought I'd see on DVD really, such as Wings (hopefully they won't screw things over and stop them), Golden Girls, or Get Smart (sometime later this year, that comes out)
Wings is coming out? I hadn't known. Great!
Golden Girls brings back memories of going over to my grandparents house and watching it. I still catch reruns on Lifetime and unashamed to say so.
HumanSnatcher
06-21-2006, 12:59 AM
Wings came out back in late May, its the first 6 or 7 episodes from the first season and the 20 something run of the second season. I'm toying with the idea of using my 3 $5 Target gift cards to knock the price down when I get the money...
javeryh
06-21-2006, 01:00 AM
And that is why so many sell so well and they continue to release them, because nobody is buying them? Can we say bullshit! If nobody was buying them, then they (studios) wouldn't be releasing them and re-releasing them.
It costs next to nothing for a studio to pull out old TV shows and put them on DVD with little to no extras. They probably have to sell like 4 copies to make a profit on a 100,000 pressing. If they aren't going to release subsequent seasons of Boy Meets World or whatever it means no one is buying Season 1 or 2. Obviously super-popular shows like The Simpsons or Seinfeld are going to do well but we aren't talking about those shows.
CocheseUGA
06-21-2006, 01:01 AM
Alf? Whatever. It sucks for people who liked Everwood, because they got the double shaft this year.
It costs next to nothing for a studio to pull out old TV shows and put them on DVD with little to no extras. They probably have to sell like 4 copies to make a profit on a 100,000 pressing.
You're kidding right? yaeh, I'm really going to take you seriously.
RedvsBlue
06-21-2006, 01:02 AM
It costs next to nothing for a studio to pull out old TV shows and put them on DVD with little to no extras. They probably have to sell like 4 copies to make a profit on a 100,000 pressing. If they aren't going to release subsequent seasons of Boy Meets World or whatever it means no one is buying Season 1 or 2. Obviously super-popular shows like The Simpsons or Seinfeld are going to do well but we aren't talking about those shows.
I think you're on to something here. Why not do a short print run and have it sold online only? Video games are going it more and more, why wouldn't it work for DVDs?
HumanSnatcher
06-21-2006, 01:05 AM
I'm not suprised that studios are doing this. But as I said before, its gonna drive people to ebay and buy what people are selling there. I've seen many times on imdb boards people asking for a certain show, and someone simple says "ebay it". Next person behind them screams bloody murder about "don't buy bootlegs". Truth is, if that certain show were on DVD, then people wouldn't resort to picking it up off of ebay.
RedvsBlue
06-21-2006, 01:09 AM
I'm not suprised that studios are doing this. But as I said before, its gonna drive people to ebay and buy what people are selling there. I've seen many times on imdb boards people asking for a certain show, and someone simple says "ebay it". Next person behind them screams bloody murder about "don't buy bootlegs". Truth is, if that certain show were on DVD, then people wouldn't resort to picking it up off of ebay.
Bingo. I had to buy the complete series of Exo Squad cartoon as a bootleg at a comic book convention because there's virtually no chance of it getting an actual DVD release. The quality sucks and I would have gladly paid just about anything for an official release but it was my only option.
People would still resort to ebay for bootlegs, but it would definitely be less.
HumanSnatcher
06-21-2006, 01:13 AM
People would still resort to ebay for bootlegs, but it would definitely be less.
You are right about that. There are people that would rather buy the bootlegs off ebay because its the original broadcast versions of a show than buy a cut up version of nothing but syndication prints. Kinda like what has happened with ALF. Yeah, its syndication prints, but its better than nothing at all.
You're kidding right? yaeh, I'm really going to take you seriously.
Yeah, yeah, we've got it: javeryh killed your family or something. Take it down a notch, champ.
dafoomie
06-21-2006, 01:20 AM
Bingo. I had to buy the complete series of Exo Squad cartoon as a bootleg at a comic book convention because there's virtually no chance of it getting an actual DVD release. The quality sucks and I would have gladly paid just about anything for an official release but it was my only option.
I liked that show when I was 10, but it is kind of a Gundam knockoff in retrospect. I'd still like to find it, though. Did it ever get a DVD release? I know a few episodes made it to Laserdisc. How is the quality on that bootleg? I can't seem to download it anywhere.
Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM ABC version) was hard as hell to find, even on the internet, but I finally did get the complete series. They never put that on DVD, and probably never will.
They should at least offer this stuff as a download if demand isn't great enough for a DVD release. I'd pay for a good quality digital version of both of those shows.
Yeah, yeah, we've got it: javeryh killed your family or something. Take it down a notch, champ.
And you are who and why should I care?
XboxHardcore.com
06-21-2006, 01:58 AM
Boy Meets World rules.
Good thing there are still reruns on TV.
wolverinefactor
06-21-2006, 02:04 AM
Grrrr. season 4 is when Boy Meets World got really good. Maybe I'll do one of those lame letetrs to Disney and if I get no clear answer then to Ebay I go (I own the first 3 sets)
DrunkTigerWoods
06-21-2006, 02:25 AM
Wow, everwood fans are really getting it up the ass.
Ricochet
06-21-2006, 11:09 AM
Grrrr. season 4 is when Boy Meets World got really good. Maybe I'll do one of those lame letetrs to Disney and if I get no clear answer then to Ebay I go (I own the first 3 sets)
Yeah, the later seasons of Boy Meets World were, in my opinion, better than the first few, since the show just got a bunch more wackier - it didn't take itself as seriously as it did earlier on. It's sad it'll never get a proper dvd release, and even sadder that the current reruns on ABC Family are edited to hell.
javeryh
06-21-2006, 11:27 AM
You're kidding right? yaeh, I'm really going to take you seriously.
um, you shouldn't because I was being sarcastic. My point is that it is relatively easy for studios to release these DVDs at a huge mark-up because DVDs cost next to nothing to produce. They also don't have to pay royalties to the actors and writers because there's no way home DVD sales were contemplated back when they signed their contracts - it's probably not until the late 80s that they even started to negotiate a syndication percentage. The studios don't have to sell that many copies to make a profit so if they pull the plug on subsequent seasons it's because no one gives a crap about owning season 5 of Boy Meets World or season 3 of Gimme a Break.
And you are who and why should I care?
I'm just a guy who can't figure out why you have such a chip on your shoulder about someone making a passing comment about the demand for ALF DVDs. And you should care -- assuming you're not an asswipe --because it makes you look like, well, and asswipe. If you are in fact an asswipe, then by all means, resume your douchebaggery.
But enough thread crapping; if you've still got beef, feel free to put it in a PM.
um, you shouldn't because I was being sarcastic. My point is that it is relatively easy for studios to release these DVDs at a huge mark-up because DVDs cost next to nothing to produce. They also don't have to pay royalties to the actors and writers because there's no way home DVD sales were contemplated back when they signed their contracts - it's probably not until the late 80s that they even started to negotiate a syndication percentage. The studios don't have to sell that many copies to make a profit so if they pull the plug on subsequent seasons it's because no one gives a crap about owning season 5 of Boy Meets World or season 3 of Gimme a Break.
Actors from shows from the 50s and 60s got screwed in regards to royalities and the such, but after syndication took off in 70's, TV actors from 80's are getting something (and there's a big labor showdown brewing of the fact that most royality system for DVDs are based on syndication rates, which the unions think is too low given the $s that DVD sales are generating). And depending on the nature of the show, releasing shows can vary in cost...music rights are frequently fixed dollar amounts (ie, if you want to use this song in this scene, it will cost $10,000 regardless of how many sets you sell...which has resulted in more than a few sets running with different music than what was orginally broadcast in order to make the sets economically justifiable to release...the Miami Vice set was delayed for quite a while due to music rights issues). And while if your minting out 100K+ sets, the per unit cost per set (while DVDS can be cheap to manufacture, the boxes themselves are not an insignficant cost) isn't too bad, the economics of producing lower amounts is alot rougher...and it isn't cheap to ship alot stuff to stores and then have to ship it back when it doesn't sell (nor are retaliers happy to deal with studios who provide alot of slow moving merch)....So the fixed costs of preping the material, royalties, rights clearance, manfacturing, and then distribution along with returns are not insignficant costs. While DVDs can be very profitable for the studios, there is a minimum level that sales must cross before they become profitable. But in a few years you'll likely be able to legally download most stuff....losing the cost of box, disc and distribution means that you could sell low numbers of a show and still make money.
chosen1s
06-21-2006, 12:40 PM
Can someone explain the Ebay situation to me? Sorry for the ignorance, but are we talking about bootlegs or were the other seasons released in another country, etc.?
guessed
06-21-2006, 01:03 PM
But in a few years you'll likely be able to legally download most stuff....losing the cost of box, disc and distribution means that you could sell low numbers of a show and still make money.
Exactly what I was thinking. We can't be that far away from this. The rest of your post was good, too, but this was what I was going to post if it hadn't already been posted.
techstar25
06-21-2006, 01:16 PM
I'm one of those Everwood fans who's taken it from behind not once, but twice this year.
Not only did they cancel that show (primarily just bad luck, with the WB going belly up), but it's really Seasons 3 and 4 that were the best, and now we won't see those on DVD.
Unfortunately it really sucks because I can't find much of Everwood on bittorrent either. Just an episode here and there.
I'll stray off topic a bit if you don't mine ...
Unless you've seen a few episodes of Everwood, don't try to pass judgement, because it wasn't just another crappy Dawson's Creek/One Tree Hill/Seventh Heaven clone. It was a very smart, funny show with great writing and acting. Some of the best drama writing on TV, no doubt.
On the plus side, the show was just hitting it's stride with it's best seasons being these last two, so it definitely went out while at it's peak, unlike shows like Seventh Heaven which have lasted way too long and have lost all relevance.
kjauburn
06-21-2006, 01:20 PM
The studios are clueless half the time anyway. They flooded the market with everything at once the past 2 years. Everything didin't need a DVD release and they sure as hell didn't all have to come out on top of each other. Even now you can look at a single studios upcoming releases and they seem to be justing throwing shit out there. Just look at what is hitting June 27th below. It sucks when a series isn't going to finish or be released for the fans, but once again we all know the studios are morons.
EDITED: I didn't say any of the shit below is good, just showing how much is coming out next week alone.
Coming June 27 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/guides/guide-display/-/33ANNYKYRQSGN/103-2095545-3431828#guide.heading.001)
'Columbo - The Complete Fifth Season' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000BF0C7A/ref=cm_bg_d/103-2095545-3431828?v=glance)
'Project Runway - The Complete Second Season' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000F0V0KY/ref=cm_bg_d/103-2095545-3431828?v=glance)
'Strangers with Candy - The Complete Series' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000EWBNM8/ref=cm_bg_d/103-2095545-3431828?v=glance)
'Monk - Season Four' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000F0UUTG/ref=cm_bg_d/103-2095545-3431828?v=glance)
'Family Affair - Season 1' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000EXZFS0/ref=cm_bg_d/103-2095545-3431828?v=glance)
'Roseanne - The Complete Fourth Season' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000EZ908E/ref=cm_bg_d/103-2095545-3431828?v=glance)
'Alice (Television Favorites Compilation)' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000EU1QBS/ref=cm_bg_d/103-2095545-3431828?v=glance)
'30 Days: Season 1' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000EXDRZ8/ref=cm_bg_d/103-2095545-3431828?v=glance)
'Civilisation - The Complete Series' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000F0UUKA/ref=cm_bg_d/103-2095545-3431828?v=glance)
'Step by Step (Television Favorites Compilation)' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000EU1QC2/ref=cm_bg_d/103-2095545-3431828?v=glance)
'Slings & Arrows - Season 1' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000FBFYKU/ref=cm_bg_d/103-2095545-3431828?v=glance)
'Alice (Television Favorites Compilation)' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000EU1QBS/ref=cm_bg_d/103-2095545-3431828?v=glance)
CocheseUGA
06-21-2006, 01:22 PM
Maybe it's just me, but SWC and Step by Step could have been thrown in the round file.
coltyhuxx
06-21-2006, 01:48 PM
Digital distribution might be the best bet for shows that are (allegedly) failing to hit the target mark..
I am still waiting for Silver Spoons, myself.;)
HeadRusch
06-21-2006, 01:59 PM
With shows like Miami Vice, its all about the soundtrack royalties they'd have to pay......
ExoSquad was one of the last TV shows I actively recorded...I was just out of high school when that came on, and I thought it was intelligent enough to be enjoyable, ie: it wasn't TMNT aimed at 8 year olds, it was more like Macross/Robotech in its epic storyline. People actually died, etc.
I'm not surprised a show like Night Court doesn't go the distance...frankly, sitcoms on DVD don't seem to fare as well as 1 hour dramas do. With a 1 hour show, particularly a drama, its like watching a movie. But with sitcoms, eh, its not that big of a deal. One episode of Night Court, to me, is the same as every other episode. Same set, same storylines, same bad jokes ;)
What I want to know is: Where the hell is St. Elsewhere....thats a show that hasn't even been in RE-Runs for 20+ years....and it was great when it was on.
ER has nothing on that show.
anonymouswhoami
06-21-2006, 02:01 PM
I think it's wrong for studios to use Season 1 DVD sales as an indicator of future sales potential. Most long running series don't hit their peak until at least a couple of seasons in and first seasons tend to be uneven in terms of quality as writers try to define characters. I usually don't purchase the first season of many shows (i.e. Married with Children, Seinfeld, Night Court) for this reason. It would make more sense for a studio to judge a show's potential by the DVD sales of it's more popular seasons.
Gothic Walrus
06-21-2006, 02:11 PM
And you know what makes all of this really suck?
Joey (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375355/) got a DVD release.
norkusa
06-21-2006, 02:13 PM
Shit. No more Boy Meets World? That sucks. I really couldn't stand the first couple seasons of the show, but I loved it when they got into High School and College. Chicks on the show were always really hot too. Especially that one Corey got it on with when the whole gang went on that ski trip.
E-Z-B
06-21-2006, 02:16 PM
These tv shows all suck.
G.I. Joe - now that's a show. Where's Season 2, Volume 2, dammit! :cry:
HumanSnatcher
06-21-2006, 02:49 PM
Shit. No more Boy Meets World? That sucks. I really couldn't stand the first couple seasons of the show, but I loved it when they got into High School and College. Chicks on the show were always really hot too. Especially that one Corey got it on with when the whole gang went on that ski trip.
Well, I just took a look on ebay and someone has the entire series buy it now for 95 bucks. I just searched for the heck of it. Cheaper than buying the only 3 seasons available...
norkusa
06-21-2006, 04:17 PM
Well, I just took a look on ebay and someone has the entire series buy it now for 95 bucks. I just searched for the heck of it. Cheaper than buying the only 3 seasons available...
Yeah, I saw that too. Not a bad option but it'd still be nice to have official studio releases of them rather than bootlegs. Who knows what the quality is like on those.
On the other hand, buying bootlegs of TV shows on Ebay is sometimes better than buying commercial releases. The music on studio releases of Northern Exposure for example are HEAVILY cut. Almost all the original music is replaced with crappy casio-keyboard style music because the re-obtaining the music rights for the songs were too expensive. This may be true, but considering that Northern Exposure was Universal's top selling TV DVD release, I don't understand why they couldn't dump some extra money into getting the music rights for all the episodes.
norkusa
06-21-2006, 04:19 PM
double post
And E-Z-B, you can blow me. Yeah, Boy Meets World wasn't a great show but admitting I like it isn't as pathetic as some 20-something year old eagerly awaiting the next G.I. Joe cartoon box set.
CouRageouS
06-21-2006, 04:31 PM
No more Boy Meets World? Fuck I didn't even start buying them yet. What season does Topanga get huge tits?
CocheseUGA
06-21-2006, 05:08 PM
No more Boy Meets World? Fuck I didn't even start buying them yet. What season does Topanga get huge tits?
I believe that would be 4 minutes into the pilot.
E-Z-B
06-21-2006, 05:15 PM
double post
And E-Z-B, you can blow me. Yeah, Boy Meets World wasn't a great show but admitting I like it isn't as pathetic as some 20-something year old eagerly awaiting the next G.I. Joe cartoon box set.
:lol:
I never met such an avid fan of Boy Meets World.
danny-o
06-21-2006, 05:53 PM
Wasnt the girlfriend in boy meets world named Tatanga? Like the last boss in super mario land?
coolsteel
06-21-2006, 06:44 PM
Same thing happened to Just Shoot Me a few years ago, two seasons in one set, then nothing at all. Guess someone saw it coming so they released as much as they could
javeryh
06-21-2006, 06:51 PM
Wasnt the girlfriend in boy meets world named Tatanga? Like the last boss in super mario land?
Topanga.
Nirvanaguy777
06-22-2006, 10:33 AM
Dam, I love boy meets world, really wanted the rest of the show on dvd :(.
Bogus. The more TV they put out on DVD the larger the pile of $5 bargain bin TV DVD sets in 3-4+ years.
You can already get a ton of old shows that have been out for a year+ for $15 here and there.