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You're not an expert, so stop acting like one
By kainzero 11-03-2009 04:00 PM
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 OMG HE HIT ME THIS GAME IS SO UNBALANCED With the release of Tekken 6, I get to read more uninformed and terrible reviews on gaming websites, as well as hear hordes of terrible gamers make sweeping statements like "This game is unbalanced/broken" and "All you do is juggle them for big damage, so this game sucks" and even "I can button mash and beat pros." Seriously, this has to stop. We have a bunch of idiots who make very severe opinions about a game, without even knowing it in depth! It's about as ridiculous as saying, "Oh, basketball sucks. All you have to do is learn to shoot the 3-pointer and you'll score more points, it's so broken, why even bother to learn to shoot layups. I beat some pros 1v1 like this." That is ridiculous. In a single-player game, a programmer designs an AI / obstacle that you have to overcome. Once you figure it out, you're good, game's over, see you tomorrow. In a competitive game, the players use the tools that the game gives them and develop strategies and tactics around other players. It's always evolving and highly dependent on how many people are playing, how good they are, how much they play. Sometimes playstyles differ by entire countries because they tailored and developed strategies based on who they're fighting and who is good with which character. Heck, in Tekken 6, Korea, Japan and the US have different Tier lists altogether. Even in Starcraft Brood War, which has been out for a decade, the top level strategies have changed within a year! So with all that said, we get these jackass reviews from game sites. Some editor receives a copy of the game, maybe plays a couple hours against the computer and a few matches against his coworker, and says things like "The game is unbalanced." Really. A couple hours and a few matches, and you know just as much as the tens of thousands of man-hours poured in by the arcade scene. Or some self-proclaimed pro who uses self-derived tactics developed against the computer loses to his friends who just picked up the game, because his tactics are garbage and the computer isn't any good... he declares the game "for button mashers." We shouldn't let these comments slide anymore. It's stupid and it's uninformed. For us that spend months playing the same game, it makes us look like jokes and that we spend time playing broken games. No more of this shit. Stop tolerating shitty reviews of complex games. |
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integralsmatic
- 11-03-2009, 05:07 PM
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the only thing i didnt like is they changed up Devil Jin a ton......I liked when he played like T3 Jin...but now..its totally different. Went back to Kazuya and felt better again...but still sad about Devil Jin. Thats just me...as for the game..the online needs an overhaul. the button delays are frustrating and i feel like every player has a step on me. plus i still wish there was a quarter system.Why is that only a handful of fighters adopt this system. whats so bad about it?
as for the complaints...i agree. Its just made by people who havent put time in to the game or just sore losers. ive been playing this since T1 and I still dont know no where near as much as the some of the better players. but thats people for you. 1 hour on easy makes them experts nowadays. |
LostRoad
- 11-03-2009, 05:08 PM
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While I agree with you I don't see any way to change " reviews " ways of doing things. As for random people posting that shit it really falls on the community to stop that shit as soon as it's posted.
No matter the forum you always get people posting that and people just have to step up and be that " asshole " that proves them wrong. I know a lot are trying to make things more open to new comers but stupid has to be stopped. I also don't think it makes us look like jokes because imo I don't think to many of us read reviews on fighters ( or at least I don't ) and really who gives a shit what generic ken/jin/law player has to say about it when they won't be there in a months time. On a random note I am really liking your blogs you so far have been bring up good topics that's always nice for a read. Seems I can go to you for the thinking blog and Jekki for the laughs. Keep them coming. |
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distgfx
- 11-03-2009, 05:27 PM
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FroMann
- 11-03-2009, 06:49 PM
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Is all good and fun until a Devil Jin spams those damn lasers. I have been playing last night online with almost no lag with some good players, and we were just having a good night.
I don't follow game reviewers that much anymore. I listen to people on YouTube and Cheap Ass Gamer, rather than some guy that reviews a game every week comparing a PSP game to a PS3 game. While getting paid. |
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kainzero
- 11-03-2009, 07:10 PM
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@integralsmatic: it's okay. i mean, i remember tekken 2 and unlocking all the character and how they all had the same moves and animations... it was kind of a joy in tekken 5 to see how they all changed and evolved to really have their own playstyle. t6br kind of emphasized that some more.
@lostroad, distgfx: okay, here's the thing. to us, it doesn't matter. we're reasonably informed and play multiple fighting games so people like us are unaffected by it. but i know, based on reviews, webcasts, generic message boards that people still don't have a clue on how to properly play yet they call themselves "pretty good." we're still a niche. even on SRK, you'll find sf4 people hating on tekken's system and call it a button masher. i thought we were past that. @fromann: djin's lasers are easy. one of them is easily stepped, the other is ducked. after that you have all day to hit him with a 60-70 dmg juggle. when i say "easy" i assume without lag. but online, i don't even want to go into it. |
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intoxicated662
- 11-03-2009, 07:10 PM
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freedom of speech and everyone is entitled to their opinion. as opposed to those who will say this thread wasn't necessary and uncalled for. Therefore, everything goes both ways. It's how you feel about a game and stick to it. I really like playing gears of war 2 online multiplayer although at times there are laggy games and the most annoying thing that everyone can agree on is Host advantage. Yet, I don't go and bash Epic, microsoft or other game players. I just live with it and I have a choice as to whether to play it or not. Just don't let it get to you. It's not like you're the person who was the backbone of making the game or anything.
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RelentlessRolento
- 11-03-2009, 08:36 PM
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Just get better people
 but srsly... the only people allowed to review this stuff should be people who know what they are talking about, similar to sports commentators having to know their shit, reviewers should do the same. |
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LostRoad
- 11-03-2009, 09:24 PM
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@intoxicated662 What? I think you really missed the point he was trying to make. He wants reviewers to put real effort into these games before putting out a half assed review that will effect a person who isn't already into fighting games. Meaning, if all Gamer A knows about is GameFaqs for his gaming news than what they say about a game could have a major sway on that decisions when it comes to that game. If the review is untrue then it is screwing over the person who had an interest.
Also these statements and shady reviews do affect Joe in a way. He is one of the people who is trying to make the scene grow, and become more open to newer players. So when something unjustly sets it back, I think he has a right to get a little pissed about it. I agree with RR about it, a site with people who know what they are talking about giving these reviews/news it has merit, a lot really. Kinda like a RPG Gamer, just for fighting games. SFIV was the worst thing that every happened to SRK, I won't even go there anymore I just can't stand how damn dumb the 09s are. We had someone a few weeks ago calling Tekken a button masher here as well. I was the only one who wanted to be the " asshole " and its not even my game >.< |
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tgvail
- 11-03-2009, 09:38 PM
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What you're neglecting is the fact that if a game doesn't float most players' boats within a couple hours of playing, they lose interest. The first couple of hours of play are crucial, because if they're not good, they're all the player is likely to experience.
Additionally, these ratings are for "most players." You know, people with lives who don't research strategies and how they differ from country to country. Other people simply have different priorities when it comes to gameplay, and most people don't want to spend a ton of time researching and developing complex strategies (especially when button mashing, while artless, is effective). I can totally respect that you guys are dedicated to your game, but I think that these "uneducated" reviews are actually relevant to most gamers. |
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Oswald9599
- 11-03-2009, 11:42 PM
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ehh, this comes with the territory. You cant force people to like games, and sadly most gaming journalists are not hardcore fighters. THE NOOBS RULE THE WORLD!! (noob, I hate that word, but it sounds funny, noob noooob)
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Schmackledorf
- 11-04-2009, 01:28 AM
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This happens in pretty much all games though if you stop and think about it. Reviews on some games say that the game is "too hard," that you can beat the game by doing X over and over, etc. There's a ton of variables as to why this is so. Part of it is that the reviewer doesn't have forever with the game. They often play the game for a little while by themself, and that's they're experience. They don't get the chance to wait around see how things balance out because people come up with different strategies online, etc. They just review what they are given.
Another problem in the whole equation is that you don't have reviewers dedicated to each genre on each system. A person could be reviewing an FPS one day, then reviewing an RTS the next time, and then a fighting game after that. Because of this, those reviewers don't get to sit and get better at in a specific genre. They just have to go into the game with what they are able to do and with what they know about other games in the genre. On top of that, most reviews are published for mass audiences. That means it won't be the hardcore crowd that gets into understanding strategies, combos, etc. While I will agree that making more outlandish statements such as "a button masher can just as easily beat a pro" isn't helpful, they are trying to appeal to as many people as possible, so they're trying to let people know what the general experience of the game will be. It's frustrating, I know, but that's the way it is. If you want to avoid those kinds of reviews, find somewhere that specializes in the genre you're looking at. |
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kainzero
- 11-04-2009, 02:00 AM
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@tgvail: please. don't go saying "well some of us have lives" and then say "i respect you." the whole "i have a life" argument is bogus anyway. what if my 2 hours spent playing tekken 6 is equivalent to someone watching 2 hours of football? they have lives but i don't? who cares.
the point is, they're making ridiculous in depth comments like "this game is unbalanced" and "button mashers rule the game." with 6 hours of experience. that's not acceptable and they shouldn't say sweeping comments like that. you can say "oh the graphics are good" or the "lag is horrendous" or "i just started playing and it's a blast, there's a lot to learn, i have to learn how to block low and recognize when to attack" but no. they assume the position of expert and say things about balance and strategy. that's where it's ridiculous. can i pick up chess in 2 hours and say "horse is so broken because it can go through other pieces?" no, that's ridiculous. @oswald: i don't care if people dislike games. hell, i play halo 3 where almost everyone is unhappy with it. i care if people make assumptions about strategy that aren't true. @schmackledorf: there are things people should make statements about, and things they shouldn't. i can say, "with the universal 10frame jab, new wall bounces and techs, reduced sidesteps...blahblah" or i can say "they really tightened the game up, it seems like they removed a lot of the BS damage from older games and made it more about mindgames." hey, guess who said the second part? one of the best players in SoCal. what troubles me about the reviews is how influential they are. "oh if egm can comment about balance, then i certainly can!" and so now we have so many presumed experts that make stupid comments like that, it's hard to expand the player base. |
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trq
- 11-04-2009, 01:18 PM
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Actually, tgvail, that's wrong, and here's why: good things are no less good because they take effort to understand or appreciate. Yes, many a bad game has hidden behind its difficulty, curve, or "hardcore" status. But consider everything from great literature to Miles Davis. Should they be "graded/rated" because most people won't put in the time to learn to appreciate them? Surely few people have studied music theory and modality; so "Kind of Blue" is ... what? A 2 out of 10? But most people can appreciate the catchy hooks of some Blink 182, so they're, comparatively, to be reviewed higher? No. It doesn't work like that, and for a reason.
In short: bless you, Kainzero, and all your progeny, forever more. |
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JEKKI
- 11-04-2009, 02:12 PM
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never forget the greatest fighting game review of all time!!
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/...9&postcount=53 |
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jman619
- 11-04-2009, 06:50 PM
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lmao @ JEKKI. I love Tekken 6. I admit I'm pretty crappy at it,but I still enjoy it.
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