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Forced to work nights now. :(

By The Mana Knight 06-08-2010 06:36 PM
Updated by The Mana Knight 06-12-2010 08:53 PM
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This was my hidden CAG blog, but edited a bit now with some things removed along with being shorted

In case you all didn't know, I tried sending resumes/applying to 80-100+ jobs. Most jobs companies didn't even bother contacting me, but I got numerous rejections (some rejected me from resume, some did after interviews), and many companies had my resume on hold (but couldn't hire me because they were on a hiring freeze and were laying people off). I was really down for a while because I was one of the hardest working students in my college (I got a degree in Electrical & Computer Engineering Technology at a really good university, similar to an EE degree (GPA of around 3.6 overall), just more hands on with electronics compared to only doing math equations. Most all jobs are the same). Part of the fault for not finding a job was on me. Just before I finished college, I had major issues with my senior project (where I could not graduate until it was fully working), so I had to focus on that. I was also a bit afraid talking to various companies since I was a bit shy (especially since I wasn't exactly all that experienced in the work force). And even worse, I had no driver's license at the time (only a permit), so I couldn't exactly re-locate anywhere easily. I would have loved to go to grad school, but my issue was money. I could not easily get a loan, and while I could get school paid for being a Teaching Assistant, I'd still have to pay for apartment and such (which I lacked the money to do at the time). I was also kind of guaranteed a job at the place my Dad retired from, but they were having layoffs and couldn't hire me (people my Dad hired said they'd hire me for sure if they could).

As I got tired of being unemployed, I started to make improvements. I really pushed hard to get my full driver's license (and I did in October 2008). I started pushing harder for jobs around the county, but I honestly only looked in selected cities. I even started attending job fairs and stuff. One of the companies I talked to is who I'm working for now (but I got a job another way). In Feb. 2009, I was close to getting one job, but got denied in the end due to others having more experience (a job I really wanted near my college). I tried applying online to companies I met at a job fair, but didn't have any luck. Eventually I had a college friend tell me he had an interview/test with a company on the East coast. I never imagined I'd move to the east coast (I refused due to high housing prices and being far away from home), but after struggling to find a job, I decided to contact the HR person. I eventually got a call/email back saying they'd like to fly me in (although I ended up taking the drive with my Dad in April for an interview/test). Keep in mind that the job was not the Engineering job I was trying to get after college, only a testing/troubleshooting electronics job. I decided I could start there and move up to Engineering. It was my plan to move to Engineering within 6 months. I ended up passing the test, had interviews the next day, and got a job offer. The job offer was excellent, and due to other companies not scheduling the interview just yet and no other offer on the table (had a week to decide), I took it. I was warned when I took the job I may eventually end up on 2nd shift, but felt it was ok since I originally thought I'd move on.

As for the job itself, let me say it was partially better than I expected, and some ways worse than I expected. Better than what I expected because it wasn't that hard, got a few raises really fast, had plenty of opportunity to work OT making really good money (like for working weekends). Some of my co-workers have been awesome and great to help me pull out of my shell (getting me to try new things). And for the most part, my current supervisor is great and we get along great. The job is also pretty stable where I can be employed for a while, along with making excellent pay down the road.

Despite some of the great stuff, the job isn't really what I expected. I was honestly hoping for a more professional job when I get out of college where I work in a cubicle (dressed in business casual everyday), attend meetings, and so on. The job is kind of a manufacturing environment with some large machines, some noises, we wear whatever we want to work (best not to dress up because the clothes might get a little dirty), some heavy lifting up to 75lbs (which I hate to do because I don't lift weights much), and we have to work on a clock (where we clock in, not enter our own hours). Honestly, I just hate working in that environment and rather have something more neat. Since I mostly test electronics, we need people around the clock doing the work, for all three shifts (1st shift has to be there at 6am, 2nd shift is 3pm, 3rd shift is 10pm, and they work for 9 hours (4 days a week, and 8 hours for one day every two weeks)). My main problem is that I somewhat too hard of a worker for my job. I'm the type who likes to constantly work, pushing stuff and getting things done in a timely manner. Most who work my job only went to a 2 year college/degree (my job only needs two years in college) or came from working on electronics in the military. While I have tons of knowledge, most of it doesn't apply to the job well where I feel I really shouldn't be there (because my education level is higher than most all co-workers, and my skills are quite different, I feel I'm a horrible fit).

So while I may have had issues with my job, I mostly kept it because it paid well, I liked the area I now live in, finally got two weeks paid vacation (I had none last year which was one issue), the job isn't that hard and not that stressful, and at least I was working. I was hoping to get an Engineering job, but the entry level engineering I was going into, they hired too many people where I worked so they had to stop (and some may be laid off). If I looked at other jobs at my same company, most require at least 2 years related work experience, and so far I only have 1. So right now I'm stuck. Would be nice to see where I can fit well.

The biggest thing thing to upset me was hearing I had to work a night shift. I was told by my boss (he doesn't want to do this, but has no choice since we have way too many on 1st shift and I was the lowest on seniority left for 1st shift) that I'd have to move to either 2nd or 3rd shift. While I may seem crazy, I chose third over 2nd, all because of the working time/days suited me better (2nd shift pretty much ruins my summer plans, and I just happen to get along best with the third shift people). The only thing I like about third is being around very few people (along with giving me a chance to do stuff during the day time). But at the same time, I'm really depressed about it. I went to college for 4 years, getting one of the most difficult degrees, and I was working a non-engineering job (doing heavy lifting at times and being forced to work a night shift) instead of an Engineering job. You better bet I feel like shit when I find out some people I graduated with in college (who I did much better than in college and helped out a lot) are an Engineer right now doing what I want to do right now. But at the same time, I DO make more money than most and do live in an awesome area (compared to a small town like some). At the same time I sometimes think my current job will hurt me from future jobs because I am not utilizing my best skills, and sometimes me working too hard becomes a problem for others. I'm also embarrassed to tell people my occupation, mostly because I have very high standards for myself.

Moving away from my family and getting a well paying job has done wonders for me (like becoming more independent, getting out more, gaining work experience, etc.). At the same time, I feel I should be doing better. I might go back to college expanding my education (getting a Master's degree). At least now going back to college would be easier since I have saved up quite a bit of money, Regardless, I just have a difficult decision on my future.

Thank you for taking the time reading this. This blog has been edited removing some very personal stuff, but most of it hasn't changed. It may seem too similar to my other blog.
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 Comments (Total Comments: 30)  

Cheska19's Avatar
Oh man, Im sorry Mana. That blog was actually pretty depressing because I can totally relate to your situation right now. I love my job, but I feel like I can do better, but the lack of job opportunities at the moment kill my dreams. Im hoping that if we keep our fingers crossed and just keep our hopes up something better will come along where we can utilize the skills we learned. Good luck buddy, I hope this later shift isn't as bad.
The Mana Knight's Avatar
yeah, that's my situation. There's just next to nothing I can easily slide into at the company I work at, since many jobs are for those who have worked in industry for quite a while. And mostly, too many are making cutbacks.

I tried applying for a Test Engineering job in my area (although that was 2nd or 3rd shift) to at least get me closer to where I want to be. I had no luck due to years of experience. Yet, my supervisor and others (the HR blocked me from getting the job due to my experience) felt I was perfect for the job because I already knew the stuff in my area quite well unlike others they hire in (who never worked with what we do and would have to a lot to learn).
Thongsy's Avatar
graveyard shifts. You have been there for a year or two now? It sounds like you need a change of pace and scenery. Are there any job openings in the company you can apply to? It seems like you should start looking for the job you want to do, especially now that you have work experience, and the job market is slightly improving, combined with you hating, well not liking your current job. Best of luck to you though.
The Mana Knight's Avatar
@Thongsy, the last person who bumped me worked slightly longer than me. That's why I was forced to work either 2nd or 3rd shift. There are reasons I chose third shift.
Squall835's Avatar
Your situation sucks, but at least you have a job. I've been out of college for a year now and still can't find a job.
Krymner's Avatar
As I've already told you, 3rd shift ain't for everyone, and it takes some getting used to. But that said, the absolute best thing about it is that your daytime hours are entirely free to keep searching for jobs. I would recommend that you keep up the job search in the morning hours after work and sleep in the later part of the afternoon.

If all you need is one more year of experience to get some of the jobs you'd like, I say stick with it for as long as you can stand it, but keep your eyes and ears open for anything else that may come along in the meantime.
The_Spaceman's Avatar
Mana rule # 1 stop comparing your situation to others you went to school with. There is always going to be someone who is doing better than you.

This is not the end of the world. No one is ever right where they should be. Some people take years to get to where they want to be professionally. Right now you are gaining experience and showing you can do the work. Sucks that you are going to third shift, but you could be laidoff instead so you are lucky. Right now Just hold tight. So work is not what you thought it was going to be.

Now is the time to get hard at work and due the best you can. show them what kind of worker you are. If you are looking for a new job ignore the people who want you to slow down keep your pace and you'll be setting yourself apart from others. Also you can have my meetings, they suck and are a waste of time.

Mana, one last thing. Yes you are a college graduate, but all that means is you have a piece of paper that you spent 4 years working on that others have. You are on the same starting level as most other people out of college. Getting a job requires a mix of education, experience, and good old personality. Just because you have a 4 year degree and other people have a 2 year degree means nothing. Try learning from your peers with the inferior degree maybe they can teach you something.
tenchi's Avatar
I did 3rd shift for a year and it sucked. I'd suggest starting to put out resume's again. With your degree you should be able to find some sort of engineering job somewhere. The only issue would be wether you're willing to move, maybe to a faraway state. When I graduated from college I ended up moving from CA to PA. It was quite a shock but there was just no jobs in my field in CA that still payed enough for me to afford the cost of living there. Best of luck to you mana.
The Mana Knight's Avatar
@tenchi, I moved from IN to MD, which was definitely a move. I can deal with a move to anywhere. Jobs are better in my field where I am now, just what kills me is experience level.
The Mana Knight's Avatar
Anyway, I'm spending time inside right now, with all lights off just really depressed. I just hope I can figure things out and get somewhere sometime. Work is going to be interesting tomorrow because I'm going to try to avoid as many co-workers as possible and will not be willing to talk to anyone.
dv8mad's Avatar
I think Spaceman has the most appropriate post for this situation. Comparing yourself to others is always a recipe for disaster as everyone is better then you at something.
Better to focus on your strengths rather than your weaknesses or, worse yet, the strengths of those around you.
Do you think Jordan was always lamenting not blocking the most shots? I highly doubt it!

As you know from my blogs, I never went to college although I was saving for it and, had I stayed in the US, I would be (barring anything unexpected of course) in a pretty nice position right now I'm sure as I was making much more money than I needed even when I left 5 years ago.
However, as you and I previously conversed in a PM, money doesn't make you rich.

Friends and family are far more important and, IMHO, until you focus more on the world around you rather than the material possessions, the accolades (or lack thereof) and the way people perceive you, you'll continue to fall into the trap of self depreciation.

You often post these blogs about the things that are terrible around you, and when we read the comments, the majority of people point out the flaws in you. I'm sorry, but I don't think it's a coincidence. I could sit back and say that your situation isn't good because of the economy or many other external influences, but I won't. We all have those things causing problems for us. I don't get along with everyone, but I find ways to. I don't have everything I think I deserve, but I am working to.

I think a better friend would point out that you do have the ability to do more, say more and, in the end, be more than you are now. It's up to you to do it.
gr8asianman's Avatar
That stinks Mana, but at least you have a job, you are building your resume, and hopefully you are able to network a little bit. 3rd shift is rough in my opinion, but you can get a lot accomplished. Stay the course.
Ecofreak's Avatar
Working the night shift will be painful, but being unemployed is much worse. Remember the power of positive thinking and try your best to stay proactive.

Good luck, Mana! Your friends on the boards are rooting for you and everyone else in similar situations.
mission42's Avatar
I'm sorry Mana, that sucks you have to take a different shift. I worked for about a year on a late second shift (4:00p.m.-12:30a.m.) and I hated it so bad. It ruined my whole day because I would sleep in, get up and shower and get ready and go to work, then come home and play some games or watch t.v., then shower and go to bed. Rinse and repeat. I agree with 3rd over 2nd as you can at least still go out during the day and do the normal things you would on a day off.

I'm currently on 1st shift but I really dislike my job, I'm somewhat like you, my job is just not balanced at all towards my education. The economy is crap here so I had to take a job I didn't want where the pay isn't the greatest and the work is pretty shitty but it's 1st shift M-F and I can put up with that.

If you see yourself with a future with your company, maybe advancing to another position, I'd say try to stick it out until you get your first two years in or so and then try to advance. If you just don't see a future at all, start looking for a new job now but DO NOT say anything at your company that you are doing it. The longer you can at least stay at your current job, the more experience your adding to your resume. Even if it's not an engineer job it's still in an electronics field and will look better than nothing.

Also from my experience, it's a lot easier to find a job when you already have one than when your jobless. It's almost as if when you don't have a job the people doing the interviews can just smell the desperation but if you already have a job maybe the confidence is higher because you know you don't NEED the job as bad and your not worrying about how bills are going to get paid etc.

Either way I've blabbered on enough about nothing. Good luck and I hope things start looking up for you.
RchrdJ's Avatar
I don't know what to say, man. I think you should get out of that "my life sucks", self deprecating mentality and think happier, more optimistic thoughts. Like DV8mad said, the only one who can change this is you. I know it's easier said than done, but trying it can't hurt. Best of luck and hopefully things start "coming up Milhouse Mana!"
Chronis's Avatar
Obviously, we're in two different boths here, but I think the same concepts apply. I know I can do better than my current job, but I just don't have the options to do so. So I do the only thing I can do in my position: Empower yourself. And make sure people know that's what you're doing. When I first started my job, I was the biggest up they ever had. Seriously, my early exploits have become stuff of legend at my job. At this point, I was the low man on the todem pole. Even a guy who got hired after me leapfrogged me. (As a side note, even though that pissed me off to no end, it was kind fun because we had a bit of an unspoken rivalry going on.) So really, I had to step it up somehow or I was going to be stuck on the bottom. What did I do? I repackaged myself. I started calling myself a manager and running the show as much as someone in my position could. And even the managers and supervisors are realizing "hey, this guy is legit." Sure, I have the same job when I started, but I've made enough of an impact that if an opening comes, my name will be brought up. If I need references for another job, I know my supervisor will have my back, and quite possibly even some of the managers.

Obviously TMK, you don't have the personality I do, so it might be hard for you to do something like that, but what I'm trying to say is... Do the best you can do and make sure everyone knows it. Make sure your superiors know it, make sure your coworkers know it. Obviously, don't be a dick about it, unless you can pull it off. I can, because while I am conpletely truthful in what i say, I say it in ways that are easy to shrug off. We got in 2 new people in my department and a transfer from another department recently. I give them hell, but in the end, they know I'm right and that I'm just trying to help. If they have any problems, they don't have any issues coming to me. Just develop a reputation as a go-to guy and make sure you hunger for a promotion is well known. When spots open, you'll be a guy they'll heavily consider because they know you want a promotion and if you don't get it, you can look elsewhere. They'll want to keep you, and they'll make the effort.
I'm really sorry to hear about this. It is hard enough working in a position that doesn't fully utilize your skills, but to have a great education behind you and be put in a night shift is terrible.

Unfortunately, it is part of the times right now and even though you aren't fully utilizing your degree, at least you are able to work and make decent money. Hopefully things will start to turn around soon and you can get back out there and start looking for something better. I know things will be better soon, it is just a matter of waiting it out and being thankful for having a good paying job.

I know it is really tough, but try to look at things a little more positively. You are getting to try a new experience, you don't have to work with as many people, etc. I know you said you are a morning person, but you may find that you enjoy having the chance to stay up later and things. You may even want to use this time to go back to school like you've been wanting to. You have the money saved up, you will be off during the day, so you don't have to go to school at night, it might just be the perfect time, and opportunity, to do it.

Best of luck and keep your head high, things will be better soon!
TMK, I believe most of the guys here have given you some good advice. I am basically in a similar position as the user mission42. I work in IT Help Desk. It sucks because I found out from actually seeing how long people are in the position that you really cannot advance unless you somehow get a good networking clique with people to advance.

This position is actually a clearance position and I am undergoing the check now. I will then be able to get my clearance and go onto a better position and pay because of the clearance which will help open doors for me.

I currently work the day shift. I have heard about the night shift. It is really annoying I have heard and the fact that it is late is something I do not like. I hope that you can keep looking for work. I am sure there has be an engineering position that requires 1 year of experience.

I will send a PM about some ideas to search.
yohsh's Avatar
Wow that was a long blog. The night shift isn't bad as long as you have someone to talk to or can wear head phones. It does afford you many opportunities to do things during the day as long as you dont sleep til 3pm like I started to. I actually had to change from third to second because I found that my days were just getting too messed up. I would get home for work and sleep in to 4 or 5 and would just sit around and do nothing til I had to go to work.

Hopefully they let you test it out before you permanently move to that schedule.

While I enjoy you rant about your job. I really like reading your more quirkier blogs. I quite enjoyed the one about you trying out a new deodorant and how you don't like different food touching. I find myself placing different foods in separate bowls now when I used to just throw everything together.

Also I don't like to hear you complaining about lifting heavy things. Your a man! That's what we do: we lift heavy things be it gigantic printers or women.
LiK's Avatar
boy that sucks. not really sure what to say but i guess it's time to start job hunting again while you're still working there. i plan on looking for a new job too cuz all the BS at my workplace is getting to me as well.

but the job economy is so bad that you'll probably need to deal with it for the summer. maybe it won't be so bad when you actually start working that shift. keep us posted.


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