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What Has Happened to My Love for JRPGs?
By The Mana Knight 08-02-2008 04:02 PM
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Many people at CAG and various internet forums have associated me with JRPGs for a long time. I was always a big defender of the genre and one who bought many JRPGs. I probably used more JRPG character sig/avatars than most all CAG members. JRPGs have been my favorite game genre for a while, but I’m noticing my motivation to play them slipping. I’ll explain throughout the blog entry how I got into them, my high points, and my low points.
Back when I was in 3rd or 4th grade, can’t remember exactly, two of my best friends bought/rented FFIV (FFII on SNES). I mostly watched them play, but I eventually played it myself. I enjoyed it, but didn’t really beat it. A few years later, I borrowed it and finished. I really enjoyed it and got me into thinking about RPGs. I played Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG, etc. and loved them all. I started buying/renting RPGs on PS1 in 1997 like Beyond the Beyond, Vandal Hearts, and Suikoden. I enjoyed them, but RPGs were not my favorite genre. Once FFVII came around, the first RPG I bought close to release, and I ended up really liking it and completely changed my view on RPGs. It went from being my 2nd-3rd favorite genre to my very favorite. I bought Wild Arms later that year and really liked it. After FFVII, I started taking bigger notice of JRPGs buying a brand new Super Nintendo (I sold my original SNES) with a bunch of RPGs (like Lufia I & II, Chrono Trigger, FFIV, FFVI, etc.), re-bought Saturn (for Shining Force III, Albert Odyssey, Shining Wisdom, Shining The Holy Ark, etc.), and even bought a Sega Nomad (to play Phantasy Star games and Shining Force games). I despised the N64 at the time because it had no JRPGs (well, except for Ogre Battle 64) and sold it (I use to have a problem selling consoles constantly). So anyway, around my freshman and sophomore years of high school, I was buying many (not all) of the RPGs that came out on PS1 and playing them. Unfortunately, I did not finish many of them. I did invest a lot of time in many, but didn’t start beating them. Once Final Fantast Anthology came out, I played it quite a bit and beat FFV. Once I did, I finally wanted to finish up FFVI, so I did. I played through FFVII a 2nd time (without cheating a little and tried to do everything, having over 63 hours). I finally started playing FFVIII. Advanced further along or beat other games until FFIX came out, which I played a lot and beat a month after release. I got Grandia II and Skies of Arcadia for Christmas that year also and put 10 hours in each. The 2nd half of my junior year in high school, I had a phase where I stopped caring about many RPGs I had. My play time for them completely stopped, and I missed out on many RPGs that came out in 2001/early 2002. I was kind of in a phase where I wanted to play arcade oriented games (stuff you saw a lot of on Dreamcast) or Mega Man games. So I spent a lot of that time buying more arcade oriented games (like vertical/side scrolling shooters, some more fighters, etc.) for Dreamcast, Saturn, PS1, Genesis, etc. Due to losing interests, I actually sold off a bunch of RPGs like Vagrant Story and so on, which I barely touched. The 2nd half of my senior year in high school (2002), I got in the mood to finally finish Grandia II and Skies of Arcadia, so I spent one week playing Grandia II and beat it, then the next week playing Skies of Arcadia and beating it. I decided to go through many PS1 RPGs I left unfinished, such as Grandia, and Xenogears. I’ll admit I skipped out on senior prom, and was sitting there playing Xenogears instead and beat it. I bought a PS2 since the price dropped, and bought FFX. Let’s just say I got really hooked on the game and played for around 18 hours straight, but stopped (most because of college). I re-bought Lunar and bought Lunar 2, ended up beating both of them during my summer. I picked up a bunch of other PS1 RPGs that I missed out on. I shortened my RPG play time a little due to college (this was when I went to a local college), but since I was part time the next semester, I finally beat FFX, and bought a few new PS2 RPGs (in 2003, which came out in 2002). Although I played various games, I just really got into RPGs again and was playing them a lot. Just when summer started, I joined a new RPG website my friend created (known as RPG Elite). I ended up enjoying RPGs even more and become a staff on the site. I wrote RPG reviews, previews, and news. During that summer, I picked up numerous classic RPGs. I spent my summer playing several RPGs, beating them, and writing reviews on them (I played a few I didn’t review like Xenosaga). I went away to college, but still played RPGs mostly. I’ll admit I spent more time in my dorm room playing RPGs than trying to meet people. I got back into playing RPGs more when summer started beating FFX-2, KH2, etc. Bought ToS, La Pucelle, etc. which I invested good time in. Despite my Sophomore year being busy, I spent whatever time I had open playing Star Ocean: Till The End of Time (put over 50 hours into it during my semester) and SMT: Nocturne. The next semester I continued buying RPGs (not as many since I was kind of broke, but still bought Xenosaga Episode II, DDS, and others) and playing them (beat Xenosaga Episode II and put good time in the rest). Once summer started, I beat ToS, made it to the end of DDS, and played a lot of Atelier Iris: Eternal Mana, Shadow Hearts: Covenant, and so on. There’s no denying some RPGs got ignored (due to buying a little more than I could play), but still 80% of my gaming that wasn’t DDR was playing RPGs on PS2 or GBA. My Junior year away from college, I finally get a job that gives me money to buy pretty much every RPG that came out in late 2005 and 2006, and early 2007. College was also getting beyond busy where I had tons of projects; work was WAY harder than before, along with a part time job doing work for a Professor. My RPG play time was very limited, so I mostly played when I had breaks in the semester (like I played DQVIII and beat Radiata Stories during my Winter Break). I even skipped out on social gatherings JUST so I could spend more time playing RPGs since I didn’t have enough time to play them. 2006 was just beyond terrible, with pretty much all the RPGs series I love getting new installments and me having the money to buy them (not enough time). I preordered TONS of RPGs at my local EB near my college. I barely played them during my 2nd part of my junior semester due to stuff (I did play Grandia III a lot during Spring Break). I was also busy with summer classes, but the break I had, I played some Suikoden V, beat Kingdom Hearts II, and made it to a boss I can’t beat in 22 hours of Grandia III. I was back to college, bought more RPGs; however, I really only beat Xenosaga Episode III during the first part of my senior semester (well, I dropped Senior Design so I had extra time for a bit). Outside of that, every other RPG I bought just got ignored. I got to a point where I’d play an RPG once or twice, or I’d play for 10 hours and stop. I usually enjoy the game, but end up moving to the next RPG I buy. I still kept buying hoping having the entire summer off would re-bound my RPG playing. Well, my RPG playing last summer was the lowest in years. I did play Tales of the Abyss a bit (18 hours in) and played a little of the newer PSP RPGs as I got them, but never really got far. I bought Persona 3 before school started last year (for $50), played twice for 2 hours total and never played again. Before, I’d at least put over 10 hours into every RPG I bought, now I put around 2-3 on average. I still kept buying RPGs like Blue Dragon (played for 4 hours, don’t care about playing it anymore), FFT on PSP, etc., but barely played them. This year, I do feel Lost Odyssey is really great, but only played it for 6 hours and haven’t had any motivation to sink in a long gameplay session. Bought Mana Khemia on PS2 and barely touched it. Many RPGs I bought on PS2, GBA, DS, PSP, etc. I barely touch these days. If I thought last summer was bad, my RPG playing this summer is beyond pathetic, where the only RPG I really played was Eternal Sonata for 12 hours (and some Folklore and TotW PSP), and I don’t really care about playing it now, or ANY of the PS2, PSP, GBA, PS1, 360, etc. RPGs I have in my backlog right now. I have sold off a bunch of RPGs last year and this year. I don’t miss any except Baten Kaitos a little (mostly because I made it pretty far, but ran into battle issues and said forget it). As of right now, I’ve held off buying certain RPGs on DS (like FFTA2), PS2, etc. because I haven’t been playing many RPGs (although I still buy some RPGs). Many know how badly I wanted Crisis Core: FFVII (great from what I played), Wild Arms XF, etc., but I barely played any of them and paid FULL price for them. I’m very tempted to buy Disgaea 3, Tales of Vespiria, Infinite Indiscovery, Star Ocean: First Departure, Valkyria Chronicles (I’ll buy it regardless due to being REALLY different), Ar Tonelico II, etc., but at the same time I wonder if I should have I haven’t been playing most of the RPGs I’ve bought this year and other years. I could just see myself playing them for around 2-10 hours, stop playing them, and never beating them. When the next RPGs come out, I’d buy them and do the same thing. Right now I’m not sure what I should do. As much as I love JRPGs, I just haven’t felt like playing what I have. I wonder if I should just take a break not buying anymore, work on older RPGs when I feel like it? Should just sell most all RPGs I haven’t beaten and just play other genres I’m enjoying right now? Mostly, I wonder if I should just buy RPGs hoping I want to play them, or wait until I absolutely really want to play one. Look in comments for more to the story (needed more space). |
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- 08-02-2008, 04:04 PM
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I’m also debating if I should continue buying remakes and ports of RPGs (which I already owned) because EVERYONE I bought failed miserably where I definitely did NOT play them (I love FFIV, but never really played the PS1 and GBA versions, plus all other games I bought on other platforms remade/ported I never played). So I’m just not sure if I should spend my money on those games while I’m not working right now (when I don’t have a lot of money to blow), but at the same time I just feel compelled to buy them all.
Some may wonder what games I am playing now. For some reason, I’ve wanted to play other genres. I play music games a lot right now, especially SingStar and Rock Band (DDR doesn’t get played as much, but I still play it a bit on 360 and such). Fighters are doing VERY well right now where I’m playing SCIV a lot (Battle Fantasia has done decently, but it will probably do better as I let SCIV go, got the two close together). I still enjoy racers quite a bit. I really like playing games online with CAG members and I look forward to that more than playing ANYTHING else these days. I enjoy playing Warhawk, CoD4, Burnout Paradise, Mario Kart Wii, etc. online with CAG members (probably played each one more than I played an RPG all year). Some may think I’m just tired of single player gaming, but I had no problems beating Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank Future: ToD, NiGHTs: Journey of Dreams and MGS4 within the past 8 months (and really enjoyed all). I knew something was up because normally I get a FF and play it constantly, yet I’ve barely played FFXII and barely care to for some odd reason. Or maybe the game just isn’t for me, I don’t know. Many other series I use to play a lot, I find I play every new installment less. Although my main problem now is that I’ll buy like 2-3 RPGs in a month, and work on one. A new RPG comes out in like 2 months or so, so I’ll buy that and work on it (leaving the other games I bought un-played), and the cycle continues. I said I’d stop everything to play FFXII, but I still haven’t really played it beyond 4 hours. Part of the reason I haven’t pulled the trigger is that I own many rare RPGs (kind of hate losing rare games that are worth a lot) and I sometimes wonder if I’ll get over it and want to play RPGs non-stop again. I mean I finally have the time to play them right now, I just don’t care. I really just don’t know what to do. This really has nothing to do with next gen consoles not having many RPGs, because I felt Lost Odyssey would get me playing (the game is beyond excellent), yet I play DDR Universe 2 more on 360 (which I bought later). In ways, I feel like getting back on XBL Gold, buying some online games (like Halo 3) and join in on CAG Halo 3. If people want JRPGs, I might be selling a ton on CAG sometime. Just take a look at my photo collection to see what I have. |
- 08-02-2008, 04:17 PM
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How come you dont have a trade list?
Anything you looking to part with? couple 360 games or PSP? You should put a trade list man. |
- 08-02-2008, 04:21 PM
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rpgs are getting dull now so i can understand
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- 08-02-2008, 04:41 PM
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@ joe2187, I have a tradelist, just haven't updated it in forever (due to crap going on). I dunno if I'll be trading with CAG yet after that one scam, but we'll see. Right now, I'm just not sure if I will keep or sell.
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- 08-02-2008, 04:51 PM
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thats a lot of words
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- 08-02-2008, 05:11 PM
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I used to be heavy into RPGs a lot back during the NES-SNES days. But around the time the PS1 came out, I lost a lot of interest in these games. The only PS1 RPGs that I played were the Final Fantasy ones, and even then not much. During the following generation, I got a Gamecube mainly because of the Resident Evil series, so I missed out on all the PS2 RPGs, which I really didn't have time to play anyway. About a year and a half ago however, I freed up alot of time by dumping some old responsibilities that I no longer cared about, and started picking up the few Cube RPGs, which reawakened my love for the genre. I also went back and picked up several of the PS1 RPGs that I had missed. Now that I have a PS3 with PS2 backwards compatability, I'm going back and playing all those RPGs that I missed from the last gen.
I wouldn't recommend getting rid of the good RPGs in your collection, Mana. Maybe trade away some of the bad ones you don't care too much for, or the ones that you know will be easy/cheap to reacquire later. Its possible you may just need some time away from the genre like I did. |
- 08-02-2008, 05:35 PM
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Yeah, I don't think I'll get rid of all (maybe a few more). Basically, I still like the genre no doubt, I probably just got a little too into it at one point (try to beat an RPG every week, every little bit of free time I had going towards an RPG, and only playing RPGs and avoiding everything else) and need a break. What I'm most likely going to do is just buy ONE RPG for each platform the rest of the year at max. If I play them and beat them, I'll buy more, but if I don't, I will not worry about buying more.
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- 08-02-2008, 06:32 PM
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Wow, Mana. I know a bit what you are going through. I have a large collection of SNES, PS1, Saturn, PS2, GB, and GBA JRPGS. I played a ton of the greats from the original 3 Dragon Quest games, FFIV, FFVI, Chrono Trigger, Ogre Battle (SNES), Shining Force 1, 2, CD, 3 (all 3 chapters courtesy of my modded Saturn hell I even imported and played through Sakura Taisen 1&2 and I don't speak Japanese), Final Fantasy 7, 8, 9, 10, FF1&2 for GBA, Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy Tactics, Lunar 1&2 (both the Sega CD and PS1 versions), Earthbound, Chrono Cross, Front Mission 3, Panzer Dragoon Saga (probably my favorite of all time), etc. I could obviously go on and on but now...
Well now I'm having a hard time getting into any lengthy console RPG. Something in me has changed to the point where I would rather have and play through a game that I can finish in a reasonably amount of time (10-20 hours on first playthrough) I want games that don't require over a day of real time to complete, yet offer something to make me want to come back. Having bonus content and the equivalent of a New Game+ in an action game like Uncharted and MGS4 for example. Games which I can just pick up and play once a week or so and have a good time like Warhawk, or games that just offer a quick burst of fun like Rock Band (which I still need to get but at this point am just going to wait for RBII's better accessories) or Guitar Hero (which pissed me off with Activisions decision to be dicks about hardware and not making their GH3 guitars compatible with GH1&2 when played on PS3). So the question is, what happened? Well I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I've grown up in the last 4 years or so. I got married, had graduate school, got widowed, spent a bunch of time job searching, and now finally a full time job with my family and friends spread across the midwest. I think that gaming has become more of a hobby and less a way of life for me. The reserved and geeky high school kid that I was grew up. I found people that I actually wanted to hang out with and talk to more than I wanted to devote a hundred hours alone into a game. In short, people's interests change over the years, it's natural and it isn't anything to worry about. Maybe there will be a game that resparks your interest or not (I've had phases like that with anime), either way the important thing about games is that they are just to have fun. So if you are having more fun with Singstar than you are with Final Fantasy, who cares. You are having fun, and that is all that matter with games. |
- 08-02-2008, 09:31 PM
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I never understood the wide spread appeal of JRPG's. The combat is tedious, the stories are linear and the characters are one dimensional. They aren't really "role playing games" since the characters are already have set roles and personalities and you can't really change them to any large degree. They really should be called "interactive stories."
I'll take games like Mass Effect and KOTOR any day. |
- 08-03-2008, 07:49 AM
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I feel the same way, dopa345. Never got into JRPGs, RPGs in general are pretty boring to me.
I'll play the occasional SRPG, but I hardly ever complete it and tend to only put in like 12 hours at most. |
- 08-03-2008, 08:25 AM
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@ dopa345, I disagree about the combat beating tedious because I actually like linear games a lot and I enjoy turn-based battles. I do consider JRPGs an RPG too (I don't want to get into that argument again). I just think a lot of it has to do with they require quite a bit of time investment. I like RPGs because of the great storylines, but I just don't feel like going through it. Maybe I need to watch more anime or movies instead now.
Great point Josh. |
- 08-03-2008, 12:58 PM
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Take a break from 'em for a year or whatever it takes. I stopped playing em twice in 15 years. 1995-1997, and 2000-2003ish.
Both times cuz of burnout of the genre, JRPGs. Maybe try some western RPGs if ya try that. It's a damn shame Bioware's console games are HORRIBLE battle system wise, IMHO. Mass Effect... eaaaughh. |
- 08-03-2008, 01:46 PM
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FFIV for Nintendo DS.
Do it. Do it hard. I loved FFIV also, and this remake is amazing. It has the awesome story of FFIV, of course, infinitely improved by the great voice acting and 3D rendition, difficulty's been increased (nicely balanced), augments add depth to combat... I can't say enough great things about it. FFIV was my favorite game back in the SNES days, and FFIV DS is definitely my game of the year now. |
- 08-03-2008, 02:42 PM
Updated 08-03-2008 at 03:10 PM by The Mana Knight |
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I agree Mana. Same thing is happening to me. I think it's because PS3 has (let's be honest here) zero RPGs that are worth playing at this point. Coming from the "glory days" of the PS1 and PS2, I just have to bow my head in shame. I know there on the way, but still. It really sucks to wait so long. I actually had to get my RPG fix on the PSP, but even that couldn't scratch my itch. I have been playing Lost Odyssey though, which has kind of refreshed me in a way.
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- 08-03-2008, 03:08 PM
Updated 08-03-2008 at 03:36 PM by The Mana Knight |
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@ Blackout542, it has nothing to do with that. I bought many PS2 RPGs, PSP RPGs, a few 360 RPGs, and even DS RPGs, and they just aren't cutting it for me, where I try to play them, I just can't get into them or play them as long as I use to. I've had this issue since earlier in 2006 (outside of Xenosaga Episode III and Kingdom Hearts II, nothing was getting me into it). I've just enjoyed playing music games, fighters, or games online because I can play them in shorter bursts (compared to long periods of time).
@ Koggit, I love FFIV, but I'm unsure about getting it. Only because EVERY RPG remake/port I bought, just collected dust and I never bothered beating. The main reason is that since my backlog is huge, I tend to ignore the games I already beaten before. |
- 08-04-2008, 09:59 AM
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I started playing RPGs back in the NES days when Dragon Warrior and Final Fantasy I were originally released. Moved onto the Super NES where I loved Final Fantasy IV, Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy VI, Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, and Super Mario RPG. Those Super NES RPGs were probably the most fun I ever had with JRPG games. Practically any RPG that came out on the Super NES was awesome as they were pretty rare back then. I think as time went on and newer systems came out, more RPGs just flooded the market.
PS1 had some great ones - Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy IX, Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy Tactics, etc. but I got burned on several. Squaresoft was really expanding their lineup and I was eating the games up but not getting through any of the ones I didn't like. I couldn't get past 10 hours or so in Xenogears, never beat Final Fantasy VIII, couldn't get into Star Ocean, etc. I bought but never really enjoyed Skies of Arcadia and Grandia II on the DC, nor several of the RPGs on the PS2. These games just started branching out and were no longer like my beloved Super NES RPGs. While there were a ton of JRPGs released on the PS2, I only stuck with the tried and true: Final Fantasy X was awesome, but I felt that Final Fantasy XII was mediocre so I never beat it. Too much of a grindfest and not enough story or character development. I also never got through Dragon Warrior VIII. It got such critical acclaim but I had a problem staying awake whenever I played it for half an hour or longer due to the tedious turn-based battles. Cut to the 360 now and I find it surprising that an American console is the prime JRPG system. Anyway, I've tried out several JRPGs - completed Enchanted Arms, Blue Dragon, and Lost Odyssey while Eterna Sonata still sits sealed on my shelf. I loved Lost Odyssey and I think it's because it has that classic old-school SNES RPG feel. I'm a lot more wary with JRPGs these days - while I still love games like Lost Odyssey, I finally realized that just because a game is turn based and has anime-like characters in it, it doesn't mean it's going to be good. I know now that I only wanted to play JRPGs that had the classic Super NES feel like Final Fantasy IX which is a combination of an engaging storyline with a rewarding leveling/skill system. So whenever a new RPG hits the market, instead of an impulse to buy it, I'll actually study it now and put it through the proper evaluation channels. Previously, it was just a straight out buy! But now I know I'll be skipping Tales of Vesperia, for example as I didn't enjoy the Gamecube one and the demo didn't show me anything nice either. Maybe you should also consider evaluating what it is you like about JRPGs specifically? Because like me, maybe you'll realize that there are only certain aspects to JRPGs you like that not all of them can provide... |
- 08-04-2008, 10:06 PM
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Hey Mana.Well for me I'm very dissatisfied this gen. with most games. Truly I think some of the few I really like and that may stand out are: "Condemned" and "Oblivion". Oh and COD2.
I also like "Folklore" and think it definitely has some interesting mythology though the Sixaxis control gets really old, see tedious. I am really looking for something that breaks the mold. I mean I still desperately want "Sadness" even though I'm sure most people wish I would shut up about something they feel will NEVER happen. But you gotta hope you know? I mean all b&w as well as being psychological horror and set in the 20's or 30's or earlier? I'm down with that. Too often we have games set in the present or vast future or slight future. If not that then some Tolkienesque crap. What about post Industrial Revolution or slightly before. Wild West time period but not in the U.S., etc. Part of the reason I like "Folklore" btw is that I suspect that the author is the same person behind "Shadow Of Destiny" and possibly "Lunacy"(great "Myst" style game for Saturn, just FANTASTIC!). Whoever it is needs to be hired more often. I think you may get into the next Team Ico game though I know that's a while from now sadly. One thing that may get these RPG's popping is getting more quality author's writing and possibly shaking up environment and such. Getting the guy who penned Paprika would be a start as well as Hayao Miyazaki. What about Steven King? We've seen him even do an e-Book exclusive that turned out a hit. Let us keep in mind "Lost Odyssey" was penned by a known author over in Japan, perhaps even well known and acclaimed. For directors Soderbergh, Del Toro, Arronovsky are a few that come to mind. Now I think a looming problem RPG's suffer from is having almost NO visionaries in the forefront to think of something different, out of the box. I'm not even speaking of breaking the mold here. I mean lately gaming in general has had Tetsuya Mizuguchi, Yuji Naka and Yu Suzuki as well as Miyamoto. The former I feel have been willing to or willing conspirators to really push the environment boundaries of gaming and possibly story as well as breaking them. Well everyone there except Miyamoto now. I feel he's LESS willing to do it or not as extreme. Anyway, the only visionary that occupies this niche in RPG's technically is Peter Molyneux and all he did with "Fable" is expand the idea of "Shenmue". Well now that I think about it I might consider Overworks as a team visionaries in Skies. This being said if it's one person very possible the same innovation can be repeated but with a team who knows if they can repeat that success. Just some thoughts here for you to think about as well as everyone else. p.s. It might be a time aspect as well. Could just be harder for you to take the time to really immerse yourself in them now. |
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