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C/D: An Obama victory in 2012 would be disastrous for the United States
By poker360 12-29-2011 11:50 PM
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Confirm or Deny?
Support / evidence? |
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- 12-29-2011, 11:59 PM
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Deny....
Strictly cause all the Republicans out there are absolutely not fit to run a country. Now however if Ron Paul gets the nod we might all have a chance. But if it's Newt, Romney, Perry or Bachmann we are all doomed. Is Obama my first choice? No. Will i vote for him if i'm given a bunch of good for nothing puppets? Yes. I'd rather have a good for nothing Democrat running my country than a good for nothing Republican. So i am putting all my cards in Ron Paul's deck, only chance we have to decriminalize Marijuana which in turn could lead to legalization which in turn could lead to alternative source of fuel. Like it or not, it would be an incredible money saver/money earner. I'll stop there before this becomes a rant about something different. |
- 12-30-2011, 12:25 AM
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will they stop making video games and porn?
If not I don't care who runs the country |
- 12-30-2011, 03:27 AM
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All the Republican nominations are jokes, they're gift wrapping 2012 for Obama (no matter what you think of him) - isn't Ron Paul an independent?
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- 12-30-2011, 05:40 AM
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I like how obama has no real public campaign and is letting the repubs make fools out of themselves (see previous blogs). Obama (most likely) is going around door to door and doing a grass roots approach because love his politics or not, hes got great guy to be around.
Deny only because bush era has made this one disastrous and obama killed osama and FINISHED THE JOB. |
- 12-30-2011, 09:32 AM
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RON PAUL 2012. Real Hope.
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- 12-30-2011, 11:39 AM
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Disastrous is a little strong...
He'll be a lame-duck for his entire second term if elected. His popularity has suffered greatly and the divided house will be a constant thorn in his side. Anyone who was going to be president during these last few years was going to be unpopular. (The other options we had were going to be equally ineffective). Frankly I'm surprised he'd even want to be president given the state of affairs and his current (un)popularity. As much as I want Ron Paul to win (I've been a fan since early 2000) I think the business establishment/press/banks and billionaire profiteers will do everything in there power to keep him from the White House. He's the only person (democrat or republican) that I can see making any legitimate change.... the rest of 'em are just "more of the same..." |
- 12-30-2011, 12:03 PM
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I do question whether some people here actually have watched debates.
Necrozilla - Ron Paul is republican. |
- 12-30-2011, 12:50 PM
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Deny. I think Obama is more in favor of the status quo but he isn't doing a good job of articulating the case for good efficient government.
It's certainly no less disastrous than a Republican who would want to dismantle safeguards such as some environmental regulations or health insurance regulations. |
- 12-30-2011, 01:10 PM
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What important information do we get from debates? (other than to see how a person acts under fire) I stopped watching those things years ago (unless for comic relief)
I'm cynical (or smart however you like to look at it) enough to believe these politicians will say whatever it takes to get elected... what they DO on the other hand is another story. (Maybe that's why I like Ron Paul, he talks the talk, and walks the walk) The highlights I have seen from the debate scare me a bit... Bachman and some of the other folks were ready to start a war with Iran TODAY seems like. Geez, enough with these wars already. |
- 12-30-2011, 01:35 PM
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Paul sure does talk the talk and walk the walk....like loading bills with earmarks for his district then of course, on principle, voting against the bill.
I can understand trying to get money back to the people you represent, but there is something disheartening about someone who loads a bill with stuff he likes then votes against a bill that will pass no matter what so he can say he's principled. |
- 12-30-2011, 01:44 PM
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@poker360
If you think Ron Paul is a Republican you are nuts, and you obviously haven't followed his politics until this GOP hunt. He is as Libertarian as they get..... The only reason he is running under Republican is cause hes tried running under independent for the last like 3 elections. The good ones never like to be Dem or Repub, their always green party or independent. Give me back Ralph Nader! Anywho... |
- 12-30-2011, 01:54 PM
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@thrice5
Yes, Ron Paul's views are Libertarian. Technically, however, he is running as a republican. In the 2008 election he attempted to run as a republican as well. In 1988 he ran as libertarian. Also, to get your facts straight, this is his third time running for president, he only ran twice in the past. |
- 12-30-2011, 02:54 PM
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In my honest opinion, the only valid candidated are those who are able and willing to read a ready made script and tie those puppet strings super tight. JFK would agree.
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- 12-30-2011, 07:36 PM
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@IRHari - so... if he voted FOR the bill he attached earmarks too...(like the rest of the congressmen) that would make him more principled?
You are disheartened by this? I think its clever and kinda funny, in one fell swoop he is making a statement about earmarks AND voting for his principles. |
- 12-30-2011, 08:22 PM
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He wants earmarks, he vehemently defends earmarks, but then doesn't vote for the bill that the earmarks are in.
It's certainly one of the big things that makes me disappointed in him. Newsletters. |
- 12-30-2011, 09:20 PM
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@poker360
So are you saying just cause he's running as Republican he is a Republican? Unfortunately that's not the way politics work, hes running as a Republican cause NO ONE EVER takes the 3rd party seriously. Strictly cause American's don't like to read... they take what they've been given in the media and run with it. Oh and by the way, way to use wikipedia.... I'm not saying you're wrong to bill him as a Republican, but i'm sure if you were to ask him personally he would tell you he's a Libertarian. He is probably the most conservative person running by definition of the word "conservative" in a political sense. But not a single Republican running other than him are truly Republicans. It's a damn shame to see the turn politics have made in the last century. |
- 12-30-2011, 10:11 PM
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Condelezza!
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- 12-31-2011, 01:01 AM
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Ron Paul is considered a 'liberal conservative' because he thinks states should decide their own drug laws, and he thinks the US should stop invading and occupying Muslim countries.
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- 12-31-2011, 01:45 AM
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@Thrice
Not entirely sure why, but you seem a little bit mad. I didn't use wikipedia, I just know my facts. I was never saying he didn't have libertarian views, but the fact of the matter is he is running as republican and did in the previous election as well, which is exactly why I said "Ron Paul is republican." |
- 12-31-2011, 02:10 PM
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@poker360
I wouldn't say mad, but just a little bitter about it. And yes, i'm sorry i lashed out at you. Completely uncalled for, my bad. But anywho, all i'm trying to say is that just cause someone runs through a more popular party to get his views across to the masses doesn't mean he is that said party. What it means to me, is that obviously he has some forward thinking views when it comes to multiple topics. Would some of them work? Yes. Would some of them fail? Yes. But all-in-all, will he stay Libertarian with his views no matter what the machine tells him to do. I believe so. If you notice, he hasn't changed his views much since dropping his name to the Republican bill. He is just fighting fire with fire, people want a Republican president... i'm gonna run under Republican cause it's the only way my voice will be heard. Did the average person hear his voice or Ralph Naders in the 2008 election? I would say no, but i was only 22 years old at the time. And how long did it take during this primary run for him to even get more than 2 minutes of speaking time during a debate? And the only reason he continued to get more speaking time is because Rick Perry is a direct clone of George W. Bush and even worse at speaking. Newt Gingrinch is exactly that, a Grinch. Michelle Bachmann is worse than Sarah Palin and poor Mitt Romney... poor poor Romney. Nothing like having your religion slap you in the face right? But as a Texas voter the election process has been incredibly frustrating to me for the last 2 elections. Knowing my vote doesn't count is worse than getting blue balls. Having to vote for John Kerry strictly cause i had no other rational choice is disheartening. Really chaps my ass, sure i could of voted for Ralph Nader, but he still received less than 500k votes... Once again though poker360, my bad bro didn't mean to lash out at you. rEVOLution! |
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