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Follow Up to My Xbox CS Nightmare |
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Thanks to all you CAGs forwarding my story on, as well as some people from sites like Joystiq and Kotaku contacting Microsoft about my case after I and some of you passed this blog on to them, I got a call from an Assistant Manager from Microsoft just a few minutes ago.
He explained the situation to me in detail. What had happened is that apparently my old XBOX 360, which had gotten the RROD on January 1st, 2011, ended up back in circulation somehow. I'd simply taken it to Best Buy for recycling when I bought my new Slim 360 because it was out of the 3-year warranty period. It somehow ended up in the hands of a hacker who used it to hack some high profile gamertags of MS employees etc. I got blamed for it as the IP address was still traced to the general area where I live (wonder if a Best Buy employee took it and fixed it rather than sending it in to recycling?), and my Gamertag showed up as the one most logged-into on that console--which is no surprise since I had it for over 3 years. What they somehow didn't think to check until today was what the last log-in date for Gamertags on that old console was. Mine was of course January 1st, 2011 when it got the RROD. And this was well before the hackings committed from my old console occurred. Whoever got my old console couldn't sign in on my account as the HDD was wiped--and I'm not even sure I recycled the HDD at Best Buy. I think I held onto it a while thinking maybe I'd have a friend with an old Xbox who needed a 20GB HDD for some reason, and then eventually just tossed it. So it was just a mistake on their part in investigating those hackings that occurred from my old console. It was just a huge coincidence that it coincided with my account being hacked and migrated to Russia this past fall. The banning for that hacking done with my old console just happened to come down in November 2011 while my other account was locked for investigation. Thus I didn't get any e-mail notifications about the banning until the investigation was completed, since the account was locked and no automated e-mails could go through to the attached Window's Live ID e-mail account. So it was all a huge mix up, and it is still unreasonable that it took blogging this, you all spreading it around the net, and some reporters from gaming news sites getting in contact with them about my case to get it resolved. But at least they took care of the situation in the end. He also said they'd do more investigation to try to figure out how my gamertag got stolen by the Russian hacker and would keep me updated on that. More importantly, they noted that they'd do all they could to be sure that the same thing doesn't happen in similar cases in the future. Which was my ultimate goal with my blog post and e-mailing campaign. I'm happy to get my account back, and a new console, but I'll be even more pleased if this awful experience never happens to anyone else! So thanks to all of you CAGs who took to twitter, e-mailing gaming reporters etc. to get the word out. It takes a coordinated effort to protect the consumer from mega-corporations sometimes! |
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- 02-01-2012, 07:50 PM
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I'm really happy for you that it finally got resolved! We can only hope that they never screw up this bad ever again.
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- 02-01-2012, 08:01 PM
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I'm very happy for you. This is great news.
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- 02-01-2012, 08:04 PM
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Phew, what a wild ride.
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- 02-01-2012, 08:06 PM
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What a ride!
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- 02-01-2012, 08:13 PM
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Are you going to go back to gaming mostly on the 360? I wouldn't. Granted they finally fixed everything, but you shouldn't have had to take it to this extreme to get it done. That's unacceptable.
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- 02-01-2012, 08:14 PM
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First off, can't believe they're sending you a new console! This nightmare is over, for you at least.
Also that is a crazy confidence with the two different issues (hacked/comprised account and hacking activity on your console.) What doesn't make sense is why your gamertag was banned (unless ALL of the gt on the rrod console were) rather than the rrod console just being banned. Now hopefully all this Russian stuff gets sorted out as a lot of the recent FIFA related compromises involved Russian ips etc (any other area like South America?). I'm not sure if other instances had the gamertag with NO EA games or not. I know most did not have FIFA 12 but some did claim to have other EA games. |
- 02-01-2012, 08:18 PM
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- 02-01-2012, 08:20 PM
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lol Damn. Well isn't that some shit? Crazy.
Glad it's all settled now. |
- 02-01-2012, 08:20 PM
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great news!
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- 02-01-2012, 08:33 PM
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Rei no Otaku,
The PS3 will be my main platform going forward. 360 will just be for exclusives or things that are buggy on the PS3 like Skyrim. Or maybe something I want to play online with my 360 CAG friends. |
- 02-01-2012, 08:35 PM
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Glad it got figured out.
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- 02-01-2012, 09:08 PM
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I posted this in the other blog but I'll post it here too.
Nice that it worked out for you. And really it only did because all these CAGs were sending this story to various gaming and consumer blogs. Contacting MS people on your behalf. The fact remains this is still a problem for many many people. And those guys usually try to work in the system and may not post on a gaming site so their end result is much different from yours. Without this blog, MS wouldn't have given a rat's ass about what happened to your account. They only did it so it minimizes how bad they look. It's a sad world when to get basic customer service we need to contact everybody from the MS directory and all news outlets to get the problems resolved. This has been going on for far too long and MS needs to fix it. Or maybe not since these hackings still haven't gotten much news and the blame is always placed on users and called social engineering of them being stupid. People will still buy MS and Xbox products. Even with MS making it right in your case, sending you a new Xbox too. Will you take it back and continue supporting them or will you stop as you said? |
- 02-01-2012, 09:16 PM
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As I said above, I'll take it back (they're also sending me Gears 3 and Skrim which I'd sent out on Goozex).
But the PS3 will be my main console going forward, with the Xbox just used for those 2 games and the rare exclusive like Halo 4. It is absurd that it took these lengths of me posting this and blasting it out to all the blog sites and you CAGs doing the same to get it resolved. But at the same time, my banning wasn't related to the hacking issue. It was a fluke, unrleated case with my RROD console somehow getting fixed and used by a hacker. So it was a weird case. And the manager said the enforcement team had learned from the experience and have updated their forensic investigation routine to make sure the same mistakes (like missing the last log in date) aren't made in future cases. As I understand it, the 3 month wait on getting the hacked/migrated account back was due to the international migration. There's apparently some international law issues with the software licenses that have to be ironed out before migrating the account back to the US, and that's why those cases are taking so long. Where as the ones that didn't get migrated out of the US are only taking a few days to resolve now that they've hired more people to work on investigations. |
- 02-01-2012, 10:40 PM
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DMaul I think the next step is to send an update to Consumerist saying the XBox you took to BB for recycling was instead repaired and used for hacking accounts in the same area where you live/the BB is located.
Consumerist LOVES anti-Best Buy stories. |
- 02-01-2012, 11:10 PM
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I'll leave that alone. I have a feeling it was just a lone act where an employee of Best Buy, or an employee of whatever company recycles them, stealing it rather than any wrong doing by Best Buy.
I did give the Xbox manager the Address and Phone Number of the Best Buy I dropped it off at in case that's of interest to them if they're still investigating who the real hacker is. |
- 02-01-2012, 11:34 PM
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Wouldn't it be kinda funny if your console was the one that was used to hijack Major Nelson's account 2 years ago during PAX East 2010?
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- 02-01-2012, 11:47 PM
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Would be funny, but it couldn't be the case.
It was Jan 1, 2011 that it got the RROD (it died late on New Years Eve night when I was playing Dragon Age). And it was a while after that before I got around to taking it in for recycling. |
- 02-01-2012, 11:59 PM
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Great job CAG's! We're a force to be reckoned with!
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- 02-02-2012, 12:10 AM
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Well, this definitely makes me feel more secure about my recent pickup of a 360. Even if Microsoft drops the ball with my account, I still have a chance if CAG backs me up.
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- 02-02-2012, 12:28 AM
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Congrats and thanks for the details!
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