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Why You Should Be Wary About Japanese "Wallet" Cellphones Coming to the USA
By CheapyD 08-20-2008 10:14 AM
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This week, there has been a lot of buzz in the media about Japanese cellphone makers wanting to bring their "wallet phone" (osaifu keitai) technology to the West. Generally speaking, Japanese cellphones are more advanced (and stylish) than their Western counterparts and include features such as the electronic wallet, which allows its owner to pay for things just by swiping the cellphone over a specially designed reader.
When I first moved to Japan, I thought this was incredibly cool. Why would I want to mess with paper subway tickets when I can just swipe my cellphone and forget it? How cool would it be to be able to buy stuff from vending machines with just a magic wave of my phone? However, after shopping around for my first phone, I learned that the selection of available phones with this technology was fairly limited. I then realized that choosing a phone primarily because of this feature could be a mistake, and that turned out to be an wise move. Japanese companies have developed several alternative ways to pay for items electronically, and they work basically the same as the "wallet phone". They even offer some advantages. Suica and Pasmo are probably the biggest players in the Tokyo market and are actual cards that live inside your real wallet. You can use these cards to pay for train and bus tickets, drinks at certain vending machines (usually at train stations), and your tab at some convenience stores like Family Mart. I carry a Pasmo card myself, but I do like the Suica design more. My Pasmo card - That's my name in Katakana I have two of these, but I don't carry them with me. I save them for visitors. Most people probably don't leave their homes without their wallets AND cellphones. This is why I can't understand why someone would limit their available cellphone options when they can just put another card in their wallet. Most importantly, all this technology is only as useful if a great number of vendors support it. One of the main obsticles to overcome in Japan, and I'd bet history will repeat itself in the USA, was that several companies wanted to launch their own versions of these electronic payment systems, many with their own dedicated reader. You can see how this can not only get very complicated for both the vendors and the customers, but also hamper widespread implementation. I guess time will tell if these "wallet phones" catch on in the States, but personally, I'd just wait to see which (if any) company comes out on top, and go with the slightly less sexy card version that won't impact your cellphone options. |
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- 08-20-2008, 10:58 AM
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Thanks for the interesting insights into the Japanese lifestyle that you supply us with. Things like this just remind me how technologically behind we are in the US that is in total contrast to the beliefs of the general public over here.
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- 08-20-2008, 11:25 AM
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Right now, you're right, with such a limited deployment it seems like a novelty.
The idea that the cellphone wallet is tied to your credit card does have the potential disadvantage of running up your debt, but if you travel enough via the bus or train, it might be worthwhile to not have to fuss with recharging cards at a kiosk. I hope the limited choices won't affect the forward progress of the technology, because the potential for this is amazing, though. Imagine, if you will, about a future where your phone just isn't an RFID waggle device, but what if your phone could interact with the point of sale? What if the purchases popped up on your cell screen, and you could confirm your order and payment? Interesting, indeed! |
- 08-20-2008, 12:58 PM
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yeah we've seen this story play out in many arenas over and over again. It's pretty much the same thing with Hi Def DVD. It just goes back and forth between this vendor and that vendor until someone fines the best gimmick or has the cash to outlast.
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- 08-20-2008, 01:34 PM
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yup Cheapy, you get something similar called Octopus cards in HK. you use the same cards for the train, subway, bus and even at 7-11s etc.
we here in Boston get soemthing called the Charliecard which i use for tha subway and buses. the technology has spread. |
- 08-20-2008, 01:38 PM
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LOL I reading something about how Japanese cells are diffirent and this came up along with the TV functions. I'm always la bit wary of crap like this. But those wallet RFID cards are much cooler in my opinion.
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- 08-20-2008, 01:53 PM
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The thing you forgot to mention that your not just screwed if you lost your cell phone, you're super screwed with this added feature that requires no ID for purchases.
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- 08-20-2008, 02:11 PM
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CheapyD -- I think these cards are way more common than you think. They exist in the States! Check out the link here. I think the reason why you don't see it that much in the states is because all these cards are regional, and they are mostly integrated via a Railway/Subway system first before expanding them into something else. I think the reason why you weren't exposed to it was because NYC's MTA didn't adapt to it, but they will soon in the next year or so. I also think any of these cards will have a tough time being integrated into local businesses (like you want to buy food, use it at a supermarket, etc) unless the card system strikes a deal with couple of fast food restaurant, or like 7-11 or something.
I won't worry too much about different companies competing - the 2-card system will only happen when there is a competing transit system in a greater region (like Tokyo -- JR East and Tokyo Metro) I don't think anything else is big enough to introduce contactless cards (you'll need a big centralized ticketing system -- and there are actually contactless credit cards now) The States is NOT technologically behind -- its just that systems like this takes a long time to integrate, especially considering how long it is to get things done/passed here in the States. |
- 08-20-2008, 02:40 PM
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With the "wallet phones", it basically charges whatever you're purchasing to your phone bill right?
It sounds like the two cards you mentioned above are basically pre-paid credit cards. I don't really see the point then since a lot of vendors have implemented the Visa "Touch and Go" system. |
- 08-20-2008, 04:09 PM
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Watch what you pass over the airNice post cheapy, this is the longest one yet. I'd like to see you more active on your blog since I have it on my iGoogle feeds and it's the only one that doesn't update frequently. Anyway, on to the real purpose of my comment.
I just want to warn everyone out there of the security implications of these types of devices. I have first hand experience with this technology and I will tell you that it is incredibly easy to crack the information on them and clone the card. Think of it like a sim card in a cell phone. I have the capability to easily walk up to you and scan your card while still in your pocket and walk away with a copy of your card almost instantly (seriously). I could then just as easily walk up and pay for things as if I was you. The two cards that you discussed are better methods for over the air payment because they are limited as to the funds available. Even so I would suggest only having a small amount on them (enough to get what you will need but not so much that you would miss it if it was stolen). If you guys think I'm bullshitting, I'm not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH7IhhOh30s http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...86546307&hl=en One could argue that you can do the same thing with all kinds of different technologies, which is true, but it's all about being aware. I am just trying to say be careful and be aware of what you are carrying around in you pocket. *** End of Public Service Announcement *** |
- 08-20-2008, 04:28 PM
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Don't mind me. I'm just here to confirm that Pasmo cards are indeed awesome.
Someone tell Fukuoka to get on the ball so I can use'em there too. Beachtown jerks. |
- 08-20-2008, 05:32 PM
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The best we got for "smart" cards at the moments are tap cards which is lame since you still need to take out the freaking card from your wallet.
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- 08-20-2008, 06:21 PM
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Yeah this doesn't exactly sound cutting edge....Mobil Speedpass has been around for years, and that Visa function that other people have talked about has caught on at alot of places. I never had issue with swiping my card, and like the guy above....wireless is good for some stuff, financial transactions not necessarily being one of them.
What would be cool is if this technology were integrated into something you'd never be without, like a fingerprint scanner. In the States, however, the torches and pitchforks would be out as soon as you had to register your fingerprint with a bank or some establishment to use the service. (Which is silly, since the amount of information already gathered by these institutions simply by your paying of bills or shopping with anything BUT cash is tracked religiously). |
- 08-20-2008, 08:54 PM
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CitiBank has something like these already in New York... I know you can use them at certain subways stations. Also, like someone else mentioned, there are transit cards like this... the PATH in NY/NJ just introduced them and they're great. Like you said, it never comes out of my wallet. I wish the MTA would hurry up.
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- 08-20-2008, 10:28 PM
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it'll get hack and that would not be good. im pretty sure the subway system in the u.s. were probably looking into it, but didn't think it'll work out cause of the possibility of it being hacked. until then, i cant wait to hear it from defcon
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- 08-20-2008, 10:52 PM
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I'm all for this kind of thing to be spread and made more available, but like kn1ghtl0rd was saying, it's just a little too easy for money to get stolen this way. With so many people in the US being incredilby un-savvy with technology, just imagine the amount of theft that could happen if this were more commonplace.
Still...I'd love using it, haha. Great post and I'm looking forward to reading more! I'm liking this site more and more the longer I look around. |
- 08-20-2008, 11:57 PM
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We've got something similar in the Twin Cities that is used for all buses and trains. Its called a Go-To card, and you can touch it to a reader on any bus or train station to instantly pay your fare.
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- 08-21-2008, 09:43 AM
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Thanks for the info. Personally, I'm not very interested in this, mostly for the reasons both you and kn1ghtl0rd mentioned. Plus the area I live in in the states, and I'm sure a majority of the country for that matter, doesn't use public transportation services enough to have a real need for the Phone Wallet technology rolled out into phones.
Something like this might help people at the gas pump though, however the one or two seconds it saves me from opening up my wallet and pulling out my debt card are nowhere near worth the risks of the technology or having yet another thing to consider in my next cellphone purchase. |
- 08-26-2008, 06:20 AM
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Actually Cheapy,
Thats not totally true about the cellphone wallet being linked to your credit card. Mine isn't. I go to the local Family Mart and recharge it with cash. |
- 09-22-2008, 02:42 AM
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I don't think we are ready for something like this.
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