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Heard Any Good Rumors Lately?

By CheapyD 09-22-2008 01:35 AM
Updated by CheapyD 02-13-2009 07:55 PM
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On CAGcast #133, Wombat and I discussed how major gaming blogs seem to post any and all gaming rumors with little consideration given to the credibility of the source or the plausibility of the story. As an example, I talked about an Xbox 360 relaunch rumor that was posted by a random user on the forums of VGchartz.com.

Even though the source of the rumor described it as "batshit crazy", "creative bullshit", and "practically complete bullshit", not only did the story find its way onto several major gaming news blogs, it was treated as completely feasible.

During our CAGcast discussion, I complained that these gaming blogs should at least do a little bit of fact checking (or perhaps some deductive reasoning) before posting items like these and that labeling them as rumors should not give them the green light to post any screwball story that comes along. We also mention that since bloggers are paid by the story, have quotas, and can even receive page view related bonuses, it can be in their best interest to post rumors.

In the middle of my rant, Wombat came up with an impromptu idea for a contest. He asked our listeners to post a fake news item in our forums and if a major gaming site ran it as a story, that listener would win a free game. You can listen to the entire 3 minute clip here. As you can hear, there was no premeditated intent of making anyone look stupid. There wasn't even much thought put into it all as it was just a little idea that came off the top of Wombat's head. I did have some apprehensions about the contest, but I said I would provide a prize to the winner. My biggest worry was that our site would be overrun with people posting bullshit stories. It turns out my worries were a bit misplaced.

In response to our contest, I only saw two fake items posted on Cheap Ass Gamer (although now I'm told there were a few more); a forum post about Rock Band receiving Beatles DLC and completely silly user blog entry about Xbox getting a name change to Xbox Pure. Somehow, the silly one about the Xbox name change spread through the internets like crazy. Even though; the story makes very little sense and this particular user blog has no other legitimate entries, the photo of this "leaked memo" bears no resemblance to any corporate memo that I've ever seen, and the memo is devoid of any corporate letterhead, this source was deemed reliable enough to be posted on many big gaming news sites.

Eventually, the story wound up on Kotaku and was even posted by Brian Crecente, the site's Managing Editor. Almost immediately, several of Kotaku's commenters posted about Wombat's contest and Crecente updated his post with the following text (which leads me to believe you won't be seeing any more CAG sourced items on Kotaku):

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UPDATE: It appears that this rumor story could be CAG throwing their credibility out the window as part of a contest. Kotaku's decision to run rumors is always based on the credibility of the site and the information contained within it. In the past CAG has proven to be a reliable site, having broken a number of stories through apt reporting. It appears that may no longer be the case.
I feel it's important to note that this story originated from one of our users' personal blogs and was not promoted in anyway by the CAG staff. We did not submit it to any sites as news and it did not appear on the CAG front page where a big story like this would wind up if I was certain of its truthfulness. I'm proud to say that in the 5+ years that I've run CAG, I've never posted a false rumor on our front page. I'm not trying trying to blow my own horn here, just letting you know where I stand on posting rumors on my own site. We're in a different business than a typical gaming blog and highlighting rumors on our front page would be confusing to our readers. Oh, and in case you were wondering, although a huge number of sites posted the story, none of them bothered to contact myself or the story's author to check on it's validity.

After this all went down, I started explaining the whole situation to my wife. One of the great things about my wife is not only is she very intelligent, but she does not hesitate to tell me when she thinks I'm wrong. As I start complaining about gaming news sites posting any and all rumors, she starts shaking her head in disagreement, and after 5 minutes convinces me that I've made an error.

She tells me I have no right to complain about these sites posting unfounded rumors. Clearly none of them are pretending to be the New York Times of gaming news. There are plenty of (gaming and non-gaming) sites out there that post rumor after rumor, and people eat it up! Hell, there are publications that make their living posting nothing but rumors, many of them with little basis in reality. Ultimately it is up to the publication to decide its position on posting rumors. If Kotaku and other blogs want to run fast and free with rumor postings, it's really none of my business. I run my website according to my rules, and it's up to their management to make their own. When it comes down to it, there is nothing inherently wrong with sites like Kotaku posting unsubstantiated rumors if that is inline with their policy. Of course if a website decides to run articles likes these, it becomes a bit hypocritical for them to question other sites' credibility. After the Xbox Pure story made the rounds, it's quite obvious that most sites have little or no rumor vetting process, yet many seem to pretend that one is in place.

I like Brian Crecente. I've socialized with him on several occasions and he has been nothing but polite and friendly during our encounters. I even took both Kotaku Brians (Crecente & Ashcraft) to a Sumo match during last year's Tokyo Game Show. However, I feel his comment "CAG [was] throwing their credibility out the window" is unfair, and judging by the whirlwind of comments on Kotaku, CAG, and several other gaming forums, many others do too. I can understand that Brian would feel a little embarrassed and betrayed, but really, what percentage of rumors like this get posted and turn out to be actually true? I bet it's insanely low. Do bloggers act similarly when they post other rumors that turn out to be false? Does it matter that those rumors were not inspired by a contest, but by an individuals' desire to spread misinformation? By throwing this one-time contest, we encouraged a few more people to post false stories in the community areas of CAG. Considering the huge numbers of false rumors that get posted by bloggers every week, I don't really see why this is such a big deal. The end result is that we publicly illustrated how anyone with no reputation whatsoever can easily spread a bullshit story through the blogosphere and some bloggers that fell victim to it are embarrassed.

I'm not telling anybody what they should do, but if I ran a major gaming news blog like Kotaku, i would make a few small changes. It would make sense to run a wide variety of rumors because they are fun, generate page views, and I wouldn't want my readers to potentially miss out on a big story. I probably won't have time to fact-check every (or any) rumor that comes along, but feel my readers deserve something more than just adding "Rumor" to a headline. I like the idea of establishing some sort of bullshit scale and adding a rating to every rumor post. This way, my readers still get access to all sorts of interesting rumors and the discussions that follow, and will receive the added benefit of a clear indication of its likely accuracy from the knowledgeable video game writer who posted it. The additional insight would be valuable and would add an extra level of fun (and all-important ass covering) to these items. On top of this, I would write up a few sentences about my site's policy on rumors and link to it in every rumor post. It might be worthwhile to add a rumor filter option so if my readers wanted to avoid these posts altogether, they could do so easily.

Even though we weren't out to teach anybody a lesson, I hope bloggers and their readers can take away something positive out of all this. I've certainly changed my mind about rumors and their place on gaming blogs. My expectations of blogs have definitely been altered, and that's not meant to be a snub to the blogosphere. I think we all read blogs to not just be well-informed, but also be entertained, and rumors are an important part of the equation.
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 Comments (Total Comments: 102)  

NeoGutsman's Avatar
Well worded, CheapyD. I think Ashcraft's response to the Xbox Pure thing regarding CAG was not fair, and he should not have cast a shadow on this site's (or the people behind it) credibility.
T3kN's Avatar
Big blog sites like Kotaku sometimes dont take the time to research before they post what they consider news. There is a new post on Kotaku about every 5mins it seems and everyone knows that its the best Gaming Blog out there on the web, so they kinda have to keep up with the newest news out there to keep being the best. I dont blame them for sometimes posting faulty information, but at the same time it is sad to see how a big website like this sometimes forgets to take in consideration if what there posting is truth or just made up.

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never been to the site before but after reading the news and what you guys did I applaud you and I'll be adding your podcast to my psp and your rss feed to my daily readings. Nice work.
As an owner of a video game news site (who didn't run that story) I thought it was a great litmus test. There was a great amount of temptation to run it, as we are an up and coming site, and we could have used the page hits. We knew pretty quick it was BS though, and we know what it is like to get excited about something to find out its untrue.

Props to Cheapy and Wombat though, it shows a huge flaw in gaming blogs, and I personally would love to see more stuff that would keep us all on our toes.
RudyPants's Avatar
This makes me smile when an event like this transpires. I'm a newspaper reporter in real life (not on TV) and I'm not trying to blow my own horn, but in the real world you don't report on rumors unless they're by well-known sources.

If "news sites" like Kotaku want to build up any kind of integrity, which is all news sites have these days, they should really should take 5-10 minutes to call their sources and verify if they've even heard of the rumor.

Then, they can at least say that their sources have or have not heard of an Xbox Pure or what have you.

EDIT: Oh, and Wombat rocks. I'm listening to the CAGCAst now.
PrarieD0G's Avatar
Very well said. Y'know, I almost feel kinda bad for Crecente now that he's receiving all this flak. He could have made it a lot easier on himself by just admitting to his mistake though...

Oh yeah, and Wombat is awesome.
Romis's Avatar
Great Job CheapyD! very nicely stated.
You would think a site no matter if it's a blog or infosite, the owners would have some 'common' sense. The whole blog phenomenon seems have caused people to stop using their heads when they read something online. Maybe they got a memo that we didn't that said "people don't BS when they type?"
Don Chubo's Avatar
I agree with what kiddvid said. Cheapy and Wombat started all this flap with their contest. Should Kotaku have researched it more carefully before running with it? Probably so.

But seriously - the fist-pumping and back-slapping going on here is pretty juvenile.

[Quote - kiddvid]

I think you are missing the point of what the blogsites are really upset about. Its not that they were fooled by someone who posted on your site, it was that you (Cheap Ass Gamer) would promote a contest doing so. Your original rant about sites posting rumors without fact checking did not call anybody out, however, your contest did just that. You specifically targeted Kotaku, Joystiq and Destructiod. You said your BS story had to be picked up by any of them and the person won a free game (initially Wombat wanted 2 of the 3 sites, nut cheapy you said any or if it got a lot of diggs) .

Essentially the flavor of your contest was "these blog sites are so stupid to run rumors, i bet one of our listeners could fool them". So you endorsed a contest to do so. The whole nature of your contest could not be taken any other way than you wanted to teach them a lesson, otherwise what was the point?

Kotaku's point was that they trusted you, Cheapy, and you promoted a contest urging listeners to create false stories to intentionally try to trip them up. What if Kotaku held a contest on their podcast to come up with a fake game discount and see if you picked it up. In essence, you did not make a point about blog sites and their fact checking, your contest ended up promoting the very problem you ranted that you hated.

You can't hide behind the fact you did not promote the "pure" rumor on the front page or anywhere on your site as clearly you did not. You just promoted the contest to come up with what turned out to be the "pure" rumor. And not only did you promote it, you rewarded the winner. That's like saying, "I don't condone teenage smoking, but if you can trick 7-11 or Short Stop to sell you a pack, I will give you a $60 gift card."
Cheapy and CAG-- in *absolutely no way* is your credibility diminished in my eyes. For the longest time I have been upset with gaming "news" sites that only post bullshit opinion articles, obviously slanted reviews, and rumor after rumor that never pan out.

Thank you for exposing the hypocrisy and flawed methods of obtaining "inside information" of these sites. Kotaku especially...
kart007k's Avatar
I heard that Cheap Ass Gamer site was being sold to Cnet.com.
Kerig's Avatar
Cnet Ass Gamer: same initials, 80% less cheap.

So what game do our two winners receive? It wasn't mentioned in the $.02 story.

Quote:
HeavyHitter said: "I don't condone teenage smoking, but if you can trick 7-11 or Short Stop to sell you a pack, I will give you a $60 gift card."
This is what's called an "investigation" by the authorities, but instead of awarding a gift to the buyer, they slap a fine on the seller...
fitbabits's Avatar
Great, not to mention, MATURE response, David.

I could go on at length about how Kotaku complaining about credibility is akin to a pot referring to a kettle by color and color alone, but that particular pony has been beat to death. What I will add, however, is that in a world that's now 'on' 24/7 it's no wonder that stories like this propagate. Added to that, there's the extremely competitive nature of gaming 'blogs', etc., which simply serves to exacerbate the problem.

One thing to remember in all of this is that CAG was ultimately not responsible for Kotaku throwing their toys out their stroller. It's not the first time blogs have been the victim of each other's wrath, and unfortunately it won't be the last.

Oh, and kudos to your wife for being the voice of reason. She's a keeper, but I guess you already knew that.
Joon2324's Avatar
Don't lie Cheapy. You are tooting your own horn. And you should. Also your wife is wrong, it becomes your business as soon as you get called out; whether you choose to dismiss it or not.
DarkTower80's Avatar
I agree with Cheapy totally. It was not a post Cheapy front paged or commented on the blog trying to push the legitimacy. It made the point Cheapy and Wombat were talking about very well(and quickly too). You see so many rumors that never end up being true, it's not like this is the first fake rumor ever posted. It's just sour grapes because they look silly now.
Kotaku has recently joined that long list of websites that "Used to be cool, but got full of themselves". I call it the "Ain't It Cool News" phenomenon. AICN long ago stopped being about movies, comics, and game and just became about Harry Knowles and his group of cronies. Every movie review seems to have to involve some childhood incident and how the movie they're reviewing relates to it or it is a stream of endless name dropping ("I remember watching this movie with Elijah Wood and he agreed with me that..."). The site needed to change its name to "Ain't I Cool News" about five years ago. Kotaku stopped being a source of news and more just a forum for the individual bloggers to vent their personal view. This guy's a PS3 basher, this guy hates casual games, this guy thinks EA is evil, etc. All the "news" gets filtered thru that reality so the news items just become hooks to get people to read their personal gripes. Someone needs to remind Brian, Luke, and the rest that most people who visit their little clubhouse aren't all that interested in their personal views or lives- they just want gaming news.
Lobsterjohnson's Avatar
Giving Kotaku contributors, and any other gaming blog for that matter, the title of "video game writer" is an overstatement. Regurgitation can be accomplished by any shmoe with a bottle of Jack. The only difference is how many people watch you do it.

Regardless of Brian's epic QQ, I'm sure we'll see another another Kotaku post crediting CAG shortly, especially with Black Friday coming up. Oh how they love to ruin CAG deals by regarding them as news.
They post something without doing any background or fact checking... and yet it's CAG that lost it's credibility?

Are we living in the CAG Bizarro World?
Agent_BBJ's Avatar
I agree with Cheapy, I never liked Brain Cresente. He always seemed like a douche in interviews. He gets to work in video games for a living what most of us dream of. So stop complaining about looking like a fool. What he should have done was pull the article and get over his shit.
BoneMonkey80's Avatar
LOL kotaku now tells you RUMOR when it posts a rumor

I along with Heavy Hitter and kiddvid seem to be the minority here. To start I would like to say I have always enjoy the CAGcast since listening over 1 year ago.
But Cheapy and Wombat I believe you guys are out of line and acted unprofessionally by having the contest in the first place. I come from a very traditional and conservative profession where there is a strong belief of professional courtesy. I am not saying we lie and cover each other asses, but we definitely do not set pranks to embarrass each other or just to “proof a point” especially not in front of a client. I know Cheapy you might not consider yourself part of the gaming press, but Wombat definitely is. To pull a prank like this just for shit and giggles in my opinion is extremely immature. I understand why Brian Crecente is angry with you guys. When he mentions a lack of credibility, I think he really wants to say he is disappointed with you, Cheapy and Wombat. Especially you Cheapy who he might have considered you as a friend or minimum an acquaintance. This prank might seem to you and most in CAG as a harmless fun, to people in game blogging it's like shitting on their works. Of cause they will get angry, openly or not.
I think Cheapy and Wombat you will be wrong to assume only Brian Crecente is mad about this whole thing. People in these small communities hold grudges and there will be uncomfortable moments for you guys at press events. I am quite disappointed at the way you two handle this fall out with Kotaku. Yes Cheapy and Wombat you had a brilliant prank and many enjoyed the spectacles, but at what cost to both of your reputations and future opportunities.


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