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Health care ethics - What would you do?

By dopa345 01-24-2009 08:10 AM
Updated by dopa345 09-02-2009 10:11 PM
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One of my duties, beyond my direct patient responsibilities is serving as a member of the hospital ethics committee. We meet monthly to discuss cases by request of anyone involved in the care of the patient (usually the attending but not always). In almost all cases, we generally come to a near unanimous agreement, but one recently came up which left us pretty divided and I also found myself in the minority opinion. Here's your chance to be a medical ethicist. I modified the medical details of the case to protect patient confidentiality but the ethical issue is left intact.

An 80 year-old man was admitted to our ICU about a month ago with cardiac arrest and coma. A head CT scan showed diffuse swelling in the brain (often a complication of brain injury due to lack of oxygenation). Based on this information, his neurological examination and other medical complications that arose (severe pneumonia, renal failure), it was universally agreed by his physician team and consultants that his prognosis for any meaningful recovery was grim.

There were basically two options at this point. The first option is to be medically aggressive and continue to manage patient's numerous complicating medical issues but understanding that little could be done for the brain injury. In addition, he would also need a feeding tube and a tracheostomy (a more permanent type of breathing tube) both of which are fairly invasive procedures. Once his medical issues stabilized, he would then be sent out to a chronic care facility where he could conceivably remain in this state for months or even years. The second option would be to stop any proactive care (no antibiotics or nutrition, removing the breathing tube, no blood draws for labs etc.) and administering medications only to keep the patient comfortable (i.e. morphine) understanding that the patient would soon succumb to his multiple medical issues. Two very tough, agonizing decisions.

As there was no designated health care proxy or living will, the medical decisions were left to the patient's three children, two being local, but one living out of state. Further complicating the issue,the family is non-English speaking but the situation was explained in multiple meetings to all members through medical interpreters and through the English speaking grandchildren of the patient and it was felt they sufficiently understood the situation. After about a week, the patient's children opted to withdraw care, except that they did not want the breathing tube stopped as they wanted their sibling from out of state to come and see the patient before he died. The medical team agreed.

For whatever reasons, the out-of-state daughter delayed her arrival for almost a week. During this time, the patient not only survived (despite not getting any active treatment for his issues) but his neurological examination slightly improved in that he opened his eyes and demonstrated brainstem reflexes that were previously not present on his initial examination but was unresponsive otherwise (what we call "coma vigil" somewhat like a vegetative state). When she arrived, seeing that the patient looked "better" than she was told, she unilaterally reversed the family decision to withdraw care and insisted that full care be re-established including plans to put in a permanent feeding tube and tracheostomy. Privately, the other brother and sister confided to the medical team that the patient would definitely not want that but for the sake of family harmony, they wanted to defer to this sister. In addition, the sister had unrealistic expectations as her reasoning to maintain aggressive care is so that she could take the patient to China and get stem cells treatments which might "cure" him or at least wait until such treatment was widely available. At this point, the medical team refused due to the fact that such measures were futile and would put the patient through unnecessary invasive procedures which the other family members had previously expressed was not what the patient wanted. They also raised objections based on that fact that part of this decision was based on this irrational "stem cell" plan. However, the other family members acquiesced to their sister's position and insist on reinstituting full care.

A couple issues to consider as well about this:

While this remains unresolved, the patient remains parked in the ICU. At this point, the hospital is losing money on this patient (insurance will only cover hospital days consisting of active medical care). In addition, this is one less bed available to accept another patient that may require ICU level care.

Doctors do have the right (even the responsibility, some would say) to refuse medical care deemed "futile." However, for medicolegal reasons, this would usually require the hospital going to the courts which is really a messy situation that we never want to do.

As this is an active case, I'll be sure to post an update as it unfolds and my own thoughts on the situation.

 Comments (Total Comments: 10)  

Hydro2Oxide's Avatar
I read the first few paragraphs and skimmed the rest so sorry if I'm answering thee wrong question, but I would go with door number 2. When you reach the age of 80 I'm sure you're content with life and simply want to live it out as a smoothe ride 'till the end. I wouldn't want to have 8 tubes coming in and out of every hole in my body for my last few years. I'd rather just pop a few pills and kick back.
jbuck138's Avatar
I would go with the wishes of the first two relatives and realize that the patient's life will not be meaningful being alive.

I went before a ethics committee to express my grandfathers wishes when he was living off life support. He never wanted to live off of machines, but when he arrived at the hospital he signed off to do so. We figured that any body would do this when your grasping at your last breathes. At least that's how I see this case.

Plus, the last relative doesn't seem to care too much for the patient or she would have came earlier. Majority rules!
mykevermin's Avatar
An extremely tough scenario.

Are you legally bound to provide care if the one child is the contrarian? If so, you know what you have to do.

The problem isn't what you should do, directly. It's how the family can convince the out of town sibling over the gravity of is condition, and of the absurdity of what she thinks could potentially change in that condition.

Makes me think of the Wisconsin (?) family from last year whose daughter died from type-2 diabetes b/c they prayed to god for her to be cured over 11 years, and never once sought medical care. Even following her death, they pray for her to be brought back to them. But this is a different version of that idea (the uninformed or unrealistic patient).

The origin of your ethical conflict is, unfortunately, the sibling's lack of understanding of what the problem with her father is, and her lack of understanding of what can be done to help him.
I think this sister come lately is absolutely unreasonable! She didn't really care to stop her life to be with her family in the first place, prolonging this man's agony and her family's torment. And now she proclaims herself a healthcare expert! Wow, what a witch with a capital b. However if she browbeat the family into this decision then I guess you have no choice, but then if she assumes the role of responsible party - stick that diva with the bills!
Thomas96's Avatar
I say go with the first option, if that's what the family now wants because they see a glimer of hope, then let them have it. The end result no matter what happens, is that this patient if going to die, wherther its today, next week, or next year; so if the family wants to do some medically invasive procedures, then I say do it... if the patient dies in the process, then hey... you tried. I think that the family will be satisfied that they at least "tried" rather than having to deal with the guilt of "pulling the tubes" themselves. There is no conflict, here... the family with one scenario (which seemed bleak) made a decision, then the patient miraculously showed "improvement" and now they want to see if they can build on that. I feel like your (as the hospital rep) is that you need this guy out of the way so that you guys can move on to the next patient, because since the family chose the first option, the hospital figured, okay we got this case wrapped up, clean the bed, move on to the next patient. Also, I figure since you didn't bring up the issue of payment; and the hospital imo seems to want this guy out... how is he going to pay for all these invasive (which is just another word for "expensive") medical treatments? I figure that somehow someway this guy's ongoing fight is goingto end up costing the hospital money, and maybe delay a bed that could be used for a patient with a "fresh wallet" lol (I'm probably going too far) Bottom line, give the guy the treatment (presently available) and whatever happens, happens.
h3llbring3r's Avatar
Wow, a serious ethical dilemma.

I don't enjoy expounding on these much as they often times just end up being rhetorical debates. I am more interested in the stem-cell panacea mentality.

Having been through the emotional gauntlet of withdrawing care four times now, I can tell you decision making is rarely reasoned. Ironically, in almost all my experiences it is the family members who have had the least exposure to the patients suffering that are the most impassioned to continue care.

Does the protracted exposure to suffering and the struggle for quality of life grind down the vigor of those closest to the patient? Or, is it the absence of that experience that allows a relative to insist on protracted care that lacks efficacy, only prolonging the shells existence? Does even a shared validity to each position really matter? That's why you are on the ethical board, and not me.

From and institutional standpoint, I would put priority on the letter of the law. In a litigious environment with deep-pockets and redundant insurance, like health-care, the law (ethically applied or not) would be my dispassionate guide, sadly.

Regarding the stem-cell panacea: Personally, I am hopeful for what stem-cell research might provide (esp. what I have read about applications for diabetes and other systemic "diseases"). However, I am much more optimistic about other emerging genetic therapies.
Krymner's Avatar
Pull the plug.

Stem cell treatment in China? Give me a break...

Start charging that one sister a bill for the $$$$ the hospital is losing, and you'll soon see a change in her opinion. This is what happened to a friend of mine who's dad was in a similar situation, where his older brother wanted to keep the dad on life support as long as possible, despite everyone telling him it was pointless. Eventually, the hospital started sending a bill for uncovered medical expenses, and he suddenly saw the light and realized their dad wouldn't want to go on like that.
Chronis's Avatar
I think you've got to stop the proactive care. Even if he's getting "better," he's still not good. His life would not continue as someone's life properly should, even if he were to be stablized.

Besides, the daughter is whacked out. She arrives late, and then she makes up some crazy medical plan? I mean, what's to say he'd survive long enough for their to be widely available stem cell treatments. Or better yet, who is going to be taking him to China?
antlp89's Avatar
I would have definitely sided with the first two children to stop medication but increase morphine. I don't see why the patient should undergo any more unnecessary pain at this stage of his/her life.
dopa345's Avatar
Thanks for the great comments.

I think the problem is the lack of a clear decision maker which is a common issue in these cases (another example of why everyone should have a living will or designate a proxy). It's also almost always the family member that had the least amount of contact with the patient that becomes the most adamant of pushing aggressive care (perhaps due to guilt of not being as involved while the patient was alive). We really do not know concretely what the patient would want. If the family, despite their own views, defers to one member as the de facto decision-maker, it's tough to go against it unless you are willing to play the "futile" medical care card and get the lawyers involved which is a sucky situation all around.

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