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Sorry, but that's reserved for people with actual demonstrated knowledge on a subject that add nuanced views. You've done neither in the area of Asian/Asian American issues here. You're asking questions that show that you're only pretending to know what you're talking about, so you get neither from me.
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Basically you are admitting you are close minded, and saying anyone who disagrees with you doesn't deserve respect.
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Originally Posted by dohdough
This is so far removed from the original point that it's a completely different subject, but the answer is that they wouldn't be counted as their own demographic anyways. That's like asking if there's a special program for rural Chinese students and rich urban ones, when they're both counted as Asian and international students.
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Then why did you bring it up?
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Originally Posted by dohdough
The original point is that an educated family of some means in China would still be poor in the US for a myriad of reasons. We also saw a large influx of refugees from Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Hmong throughout the 70's and 80's and they weren't exactly welcomed or given jobs with living wages when they got over here. Some were educated, but most weren't, which adds to the difficulties of immigration. How this plays out is that despite both groups being poor in the US, you have educated parents being more economically mobile with kids that do better in school and uneducated parents that don't do well in school, which is consistent with the same trend for most families in the US.
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The original point is groups have overcome racism, bringing up groups that may not have done had nothing to do with the fact that other groups have overcome.
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Originally Posted by dohdough
Seriously? You want me to explain your own point to you? Are you asserting that Asians, regardless of "American" status, are grossly overrepresented? Or maybe you should explain your reason for posting that BLS statistic and your interpretation of it because it doesn't refute my point.
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You mean my point that higher percentage of Asians who get into college is larger than than the number of Asians who go to highschool?
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Uhhh...those aren't examples of overcoming racism. That's like saying black people overcame racism because they aren't considered monkeys anymore and that they aren't slaves on plantations.
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Going from being thought of as sneaky and placed in interment camps to being the group with the highest income is not overcooking rascism?
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The short answer is yes. Again, that's not the goal or purpose of affirmative action. Education and social safety nets are the things that are supposed to address poverty. This is not complicated. It's like asking why the GI Bill doesn't help or cover people before they entered the military.
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So basically we should go on with affirmative action "to fix rascism" even-though it does not address any of the problems that are keeping minorities from succeeding? Is the point to simply make some places look more diverse?
I think I'll stick with the system that focuses on helping the people who have been totally screwed over by society rather than a system that helps people who look like the poeple who have been screwed over.
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How is this relevant when this is the trend of income disparity for every one in the country according to race and gender?
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The gap between white men and 2nd generation Asians is maybe 1%.
Is it surprising that someone who is new to a country and is not master of it's language and culture does not earn as much as someone who has mastered them?
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The gap between white men and white women alone is 25% with everyone else being much worse.
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The gap between carrier oriented men and carrier orientated women is almost nill, in fact some jobs the women earn more.
The are more homeless men than women and more men in jail in women does this mean are society sexual discriminates against men?
Or are the more complicated factors, and claiming discrimination simply based on a disparity between groups shows a lack of curiosity and strong confirmation biased.