Quote: Originally Posted by itachiitachi Basically you are admitting you are close minded, and saying anyone who disagrees with you doesn't deserve respect.

All points of view are NOT equal. We're not debating flavors of ice cream here, so stop treating it as such. I happen to know a lot about Asian American issues and you sound like you barely know anything about it beyond model minority stereotypes.

Quote: Then why did you bring it up?

Because "Asian" is not a homogenous group and there are huge disparities when breaking down by nationality and ethnicity when being a homogenous group is exactly what you're implying. While there's some overlap, there are marked difference between "Asian" and "Asian American" issues and statistics. My only mistake was taking what you said as face value because I assumed that you understood the difference because you used the terminology, despite me having the strong feeling that you didn't understand it.

Quote: The original point is groups have overcome racism, bringing up groups that may not have done had nothing to do with the fact that other groups have overcome.

Yeah that's nice, but your premise conceptually flawed. No one overcomes racism; society just becomes less racist or at least less overtly racist and only some of the time.

Quote: You mean my point that higher percentage of Asians who get into college is larger than than the number of Asians who go to highschool?

You actually said "Asians" and then "Asian American." There's a difference and not my fault that you think those terms are interchangeable when it fits your mood. Maybe you should stop pretending that you know what you're talking about. If this IS your point, it still doesn't change my point that Asians and Asian Americans are far from being grossly overrepresented on college campuses nor does it refute my argument and the math simply doesn't work. Just cite your source because you're making a mess of this particular point.

Quote: Going from being thought of as sneaky and placed in interment camps to being the group with the highest income is not overcooking rascism?

The devil is in the details and you don't seem to care for them. Asians are still thought of as sneaky and a whole slew of other conflicting stereotypes and not being interred in internment camps isn't exactly a high bar to set. The elimination of Jim Crow doesn't mean that racism is over.

Disaggregate that income data by gender and education and Asian males are only doing slightly better with post graduate education and the spread with white males is less than 5%.

Quote: So basically we should go on with affirmative action "to fix rascism" even-though it does not address any of the problems that are keeping minorities from succeeding? Is the point to simply make some places look more diverse?

Affirmative action isn't meant to "fix" racism and never was. You're absolutely correct in thinking that it is a move to make places more diverse, but it isn't as simple and cynical as you make it sound. If we didn't have affirmative action, even those middle and upper class people of color wouldn't have had the kind of access that they currently do. Don't think for a second that we still don't need a program like affirmative action because those that already have limited access will see even more limited access.

Quote: I think I'll stick with the system that focuses on helping the people who have been totally screwed over by society rather than a system that helps people who look like the poeple who have been screwed over.

Could a rich guy from Africa NEVER experience racism in the US? Could a South Korean NEVER experience racism in the US? Racism happens specifically because of the way a person looks and to think that money makes you exempt is beyond stupid. I mean , how the hell do you think racism works?

The fact of the matter is that we DON'T have a system that effectively helps people screwed over by society. A large enough part of our society and the power elite, prefer to keep certain segments of our society, especially the most vulnerable parts of it, down.

Quote: The gap between white men and 2nd generation Asians is maybe 1%. Is it surprising that someone who is new to a country and is not master of it's language and culture does not earn as much as someone who has mastered them?

Except that you're completely wrong. Look up the stats.

Quote: The gap between carrier oriented men and carrier orientated women is almost nill, in fact some jobs the women earn more.

Women making more money in porn and strip clubs doesn't mean that there is a negligible gap. Again, look up the stats. "Career oriented" is a sloppy ing term to be using in this conversation too. How the do you even quantify that?

Quote: The are more homeless men than women and more men in jail in women does this mean are society sexual discriminates against men?

Given your data, I'd say that society is harsher on homeless men and in the justice system. Judging from your posts in this thread, you'd say that more men are homeless and/or criminals. Unlike you, I'm coming at these issues looking at the systems; not the individuals.

Quote: Or are the more complicated factors, and claiming discrimination simply based on a disparity between groups shows a lack of curiosity and strong confirmation biased.

This is funny as shit coming from you. I don't think you really have an idea of what those terms mean in relation to what we're talking about. I don't know if it's because english is a secondary language for you or that you can't write for shit. I sincerely hope it's the first because I'm losing my patience.