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Eh... I feel kind of dumb still going on about the PS+ thing from last night, but oh well. Kind of a wall-o-text, so I put my replies in spoiler tags to it's not such a page hog.
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Originally Posted by WNYX585AM
Why are you ignoring the "initial batch" of games? Games like Infamous2, LBP2, R&C:A41, Saints Row 2, Just Cause 2, and Warhammer 40k are also pretty nice. If you joined in June like I did, you should have about 10-15 retail games and another 10-15 PSN games. Even at the low end of 20 games, $50 per year is not bad. And this is not even including Vita games. This is also not including the fact that June subsribers have 6 months left on that one year subscription. At this rate, there could easily be 30 or 40 games at the end of that first year. Less than $2 per game seems like a good deal to me - even if I don't want some of them.
That being said, if the service quality wanes over time, the value proposition will get less and less, but it is much too early to be concerned by that.
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I wasn't ignoring them. I just left them out since what's been rotated in over the past seven months or so is more indicative of what to expect from here on out than that first batch. When the IGC launched, it was a 50/50 split between PSN and retail games. But since then, it hasn't been anything close to that. Out of 22 games rotated into the IGC (including Megaman), only five have been retail games. The initial batch was nice, but it was a one time thing. If anyone continues their subscription, what we get from here on out is going to be looking a lot more like what we've been getting since then.
It's probably been great if you really like PSN games, but Sony can't assume everyone is signing up for them. People like different types of games. They are selling Plus by keeping a 50/50 split in the IGC on the day you subscribe to hook gamers of different tastes, but if you're mainly interested for the retail games side of things, the past six months haven't proven that that same level of value is going to be there month to month.
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Originally Posted by renique46
What did you expect, look at his user tag. Literally bought plus for free retail games as if that's mainly what the service was intended for  |
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You might want to use my user tag. It would fit. Because you'd have to be a dumbass to take anything I wrote as suggesting that retail games are "mainly what the service was intended for".
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Originally Posted by captaintek3304
Well clearly there's a disclaimer with Plus that says users are going to get a minimum number of retail games per year. And anyone buying the service for anything other than retail games should just not bother.
Oh wait...the primary purpose of Plus isn't to get free retail games? And there's no promise or assumption anywhere that the majority of free games offered should be retail games? Weird...
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Love the attitude. Tell me, what is promised in Plus? Games. That's about it. There's no promise of quality, or quantity. If you'll take anything just as long as it fits that extremely vague promise, good for you. But I'm pretty sure you, and pretty much anyone else here would be a little irritated if Sony decided it was cool to give you a Dora the Explorer PS2 game, a Mini, or a download of Madden 09 next month. The only reason people are happy with Plus is because they find the quality and quantity of content to be acceptable, not because of Sony's adherence to some incredibly vague description of what PS+ is supposed to offer.
But go ahead. Act like reasonable expectations count for nothing. We wouldn't want Sony to worry that people are buying into the IGC thinking it's indicative of what's going to be offered over the next twelve months.
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Originally Posted by tylerh1701
The rest of the guys have pretty much said what I would have in a response so there's not much more for me to say on the subject of PS+.
I actually have no problem with people voicing their opinion or "complaining" about PS+, or pretty much anything else in the world. I think the reason we're all so testy about the PS+ complainers is that they do it in such a childish, immature, ungrateful fashion. They call the 20+ PSN games we're received since IGC started "crap" and "garbage", they threaten to storm off and not renew their subscription or to even change to a rival console, they curse and whine and (on the PS Blog) even suggest that the SCEA team should be fired. When the complainers say stuff like that, their arguments lose all validity. And since it happens almost ad nauseum across the internet, those of us here on CAG tire of it.
Here's a far better way of complaining:
"Since the PS+ Instant Game Collection was introduced in June, I've received over 40 games in 6 months for just $50. Games like Quantum Conundrum really took me by surprise, and I was super excited to get Resident Evil 5 Gold because I've been dying to to play RE5 with my Move controller.
That being said, I can't help but to see what SCEE is doing with their IGC, and I personally feel like their version is currently much better than ours. I would love to add games like Darksiders, Batman: Arkham City, and Deus Ex to my instant game collection over some of the smaller PSN games that we've received here in the U.S. In fact, the SCEE PS+ program has offered 19 full retail games since June, whereas the U.S. program has only offered 12. I personally enjoy full retail games more than PSN games, and would love to see a smaller discrepancy of full retail games between the 2 regions. Please bring more full retail games to PS+."
If someone was to post a well thought out "complaint" like the one above, I'd gladly respond to it in a civil manner and have a genuine discussion about it. I'm sure Morgan and the team at the PS Blog would be more responsive and appreciative of critical feedback like that as well.
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I responded to you more or less because of the "best deal in gaming" being mentioned when talking about the complainers, as if the deal makes the complaining less acceptable or the criticism invalid or something. I interpreted it as as much of an attack on the argument as the way it's presented. But it sounds like that wasn't your intention, so I guess we're not really disagreeing.
Last edited by MrBeatdown; 01-08-2013 at 09:02 PM..
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