Quote: Originally Posted by joeboosauce Doh, on your first point, as you know, has had the largest drone campaign ever and it seems like he is leading the charge into this brave new world of "acceptable" warfare. In fact, he's normalized it. Under the fake liberal veneer that you rightly point out. He's expanded the criteria for targets to the point that that is no need for criteria except "I feel it in my gut!" to quote a certain clown prince. Dubya at least had very strict criteria. Now, we can have that Orwellian constant state of war.

You missed my points completely. Honestly, your macro is in very poor taste and you being one of the more educated people in vs. in regards to these types of issues(social and political), I really expect more from you. I shouldn't have to explain the white washing of MLK and that quote, which your characterization employs.

Dropping it all on Obama ignores the fact that if it wasn't Obama, it would've been someone else and the country has been under a constant state of war since it's inception. This is a systemic problem, not an individual one. Hell, I'd blame John Yoo long before I'd blame Obama, but you also have to know how a person like Yoo can come to such an influential position to begin with. And if it wasn't John Yoo, would there have been another person that would come up with the same legal manipulations?

This type of warfare has been in the works for over 30 years and the idea of killer robots is even older. Do I like the situation? No. Does Obama deserve some blame? Hell yes because he has some agency especially now that he's in his second term, but pointing your finger only at him and not at the system is missing the forest for the trees.