Originally Posted by BostonCollegeFan
It's one thing to make a game dedicated to a humungously popular band including never before seen interviews and stuff fans would dig, to well supplement and make the full price worth it, and to release something to promote the newest childrens television show on Nickelodeon and $2.00 for it when they and other companies in the past have noted that this is promotional material and it was free. Anyone who makes the argument that "Rock Band is a family game/ they need music for kids" is kidding themselves as the game is rated "T" and they couldn't even buy it. It's pretty clear that content is for marketing.
I don't have a general dislike for either, I have a general dislike for people who write off Neversoft/Guitar Hero because it's the cool thing to think Harmonix care about their fans (hint: They don't after a while), or because Rock Band is "indie" to Guitar Hero's "mainstream".
And again, I wasn't complaining about the promotional stuff, I only complained about paying for them. Just because something else came out with it makes no difference; if I was complaining about the actual content then that would be a legit argument, but since i'm complaining about how money hungry Harmonix/MTV/Viacom are in charging for ad's, then that really doesn't have anything to do with it.
And I wasn't overally critical of the DLC, all I said was "The original singer in Styx is gone, so no thank you on the Styx songs since they're re-recorded." Which, as far as I can tell, doesn't contain the words "Rock Band" or "Sucks" or "This weeks DLC is shit". I was jumped on because I enjoy video games and enjoy Guitar Hero as much as I enjoy Rock Band, and what I said was no different than: "Renegade is about the only one I'm interested in."
Strangely, he wasn't attacked as "attacking Rock Band". Smh.
But you're missing the point man. Nobody is "making you pay $2 for it" as you keep wording it. It's a choice. That $2 that you might think is an outrage and a sham, might be $2 well spent to some kid. Different strokes for different folks you know. Do you really think it's Harmonix's decision to charge for a Nickelodeon song? I'm sure if Nickelodeon came to them and said "we'll pay you to put this song in your game, but we want to give it away for free...to promote our show." they'd say "No problem." It's not like they haven't given away free songs before.
But Nickelodeon probably thought people would be willing to pay $2 for it. If they're wrong...they're wrong. But a stupid business decision shouldn't be something that offends you. It's not like Harmonix is seeking out Nickelodeon for these songs. They're coming to Harmonix. But to say that Rock Band is not a family game or a game for kids is ignorant. The "T" rating does nothing to prevent hundreds of thousands of 5 year olds all over the planet from playing both GH and RB (nor should it). I can promise you that.
I think you've gotta take a step back from the argument here and look at the case you've presented. I understand getting defensive about people jumping on you. It happens to the best of us (I would like to point out that I haven't said a single critical thing toward you though). But, you just said you don't like Harmonix/MTV because they're money hungry and focus on selling ads. But you hate that people view Neversoft and GH negatively because they're "mainstream". Doesn't that mean they're trying to make money?
I can promise you both sides care just as much about money and neither one is innocent. I don't really give a shit whether Harmonix "cares about their fans". This is nowhere near that personal to me. As long as they keep providing a good service and support for a game that I've put a lot of money into, I'll be happy.
All I meant about GH: M being a promotion is from the standpoint of the band. I seriously doubt Lars and James give two shits about being in a video game, but it's a good way to PROMOTE their music to kids who may have never heard it (or most of it) before. Personally, I could care less about that game, as there are only a couple songs on it game that I'd enjoy. Therefore, to me, it's a waste of money. But I'm not going to discredit that somebody else might think it's the best game ever. If they love Metallica that much, good for them. It didn't hurt me personally that the game was released.
I think both sides have gotten way too personal with this. You didn't deserve to get jumped on for what you said, but at the same time, your opinion comes off with a negative bias toward RB. To sum up, you're both wrong.
EDIT - I do want to point out that I'm not debating the musical integrity of Metallica vs Spongebob here, lol, because even I think that's a bit ridiculous. But I will argue for people's right to like whatever they want.