You really don't see that damage being done? You don't see that you're violating a company's terms of use? You also don't see that you are literally stealing from Paypal since you are using one of their services and not paying for it?

What if it was you that was losing money because your customers were finding ways to skirt around from paying you for using your services? Would you see it then?

I'm 100% for paying companies for using their services. It's this simple folks--if you don't want to pay a company for using their services, simply DON'T USE THEM!

I have no issue whatsoever paying Paypal for their services. I have used them for years and they have literally saved my ass on more than one occasion. I've never been denied a refund whenever I run across a crook...not once! People who complain about Paypal usually are the ones that don't understand how their system works.

I have had one chargeback myself ($200), so I know how that feels...but why you blame Paypal and/or Ebay is beyond me. Neither of those companies are the ones that initiated the chargeback (it was the woman!) and as far as chargebacks are concerned, it's always done through a credit card company...so your points aren't really valid. It certainly looks like you are blaming Paypal because they didn't "back you up". How could they? Going by that mentality, anybody who has ever gotten ripped off here on this site should be blaming this site also...makes about as much sense.

Neither Paypal nor Ebay are responsible for making people act like rats and doing this crap. If anything, you should be blaming credit card companies for making it easy for people to pull these stunts! A chargeback is almost always certain to go in the initiator's favor. I had all the proof in the world that this crook that did the chargeback on me had certainly bought the item (he even left me positive feedback on Ebay!) but they wound up making me pay him back, plus he kept my items on top of it!

Like they say--don't shoot the messenger!

And I do hope that the mods on this site really keep their eyes on people who insist that buyers pay for Paypal fees. If anything, you should automatically add it to your asking price...that way it's paid, and already included in the price of your item. Asking a person to pay extra for something that you should absorb the price of is nothing more than milking your buyer for more than they should be paying for. Anybody that asks me to pay their Paypal fees will get their message forwarded to a mod. If I see any posting asking for a buyer to pay Paypal fees, I will also make it a point to forward it to a mod for review.

You want to accept a payment via Paypal, pay the fees!

Quote: Originally Posted by Aenzo I don't really see the damage being done.