Quote: Originally Posted by MSI Magus I knew this would be your response. Being a woman is not the equivalent of being a rape victim or a better example in this case a woman from a third world country. Are women in the US undervalued and often under appreciated? Yep! Does that mean that we expect women to just shut up and let men talk over them? NOPE! Maher could and should speak up, but more importantly these women should speak up. What would Issa have done? What power did he have to "put her in her place".

...and the African slaves could've easily overthrown their white overlords because they outnumbered them...

Or maybe Issa shouldn't be an asshole and Maher should've said something like I initially said before you added your 2 cents about women just needing to speak up just because you said so.

I gave three reasons why Issa felt like he could talk over Wagner and those same three reasons, plus one, as to why Wagner also didn't speak up. Just because you don't understand how privilege operates on a systemic level doesn't mean they don't exist.

Quote: We live in America and while women are still not treated as full equals they are treated as far past close enough that they can speak up for themselves in 99% of situations without fear of reprisal. If anything what you are doing is extremely insulting to women. Most girls(Edit -O shit I said girls instead of women I must be sexist) I know find it insulting when men try and speak up and defend them or imply someone is taking advantage of them. But hey, I guess I am a Neo liberal or some such crap and am just brainwashed by society to not be a perfect liberal who thinks every person needs some shining ultra pure 100% bad ass dohdoh level liberal to ride in on a white horse and defend them from the massive injustices of American socioeconomic factors we are too ignorant to recognize are manipulating us common folk. Or some such nonsense.

When women exert authority, people call them bitches. When women have multiple sex partners, people call them sluts. When women are successful in their professions, people make assumptions that they slept to the top. Women make 25% less than men on average. I shouldn't need to point out more examples. If you don't think that going up against the staus quo isn't punitive, I'm not the one with the problem.

To equate me with being sexist by calling Issa an asshole for being sexist because he was aggressively talking over a female is pretty derp-worthy. Issa is using male privilege to try and shut her up and I would also use male priviledge to tell him to literally STFU. It would behoove Maher as a moderator stop Issa from marginalizing other guests. I'm not talking about one or two incidents, but a long ing pattern on the show.

Quote: To put it simply. Not all women want someone to speak up for them, many find that insulting/sexist! And again your post proves that you above most posters here need people to 100% agree with you on every single issue to the smallest factor.

No. My problem is with you saying dumb shit beyond your level of knowledge and education...and I'm not talking about having a degree.

For the nth time: me pointing out an -ism doesn't not make me an -ist.

And since you don't seem to understand neo-liberalism yet, a quick hop to the wiki on it is a good start. The problem with you isn't with what the definition is, but what is implied by the ideology such as individualism, equality, and economics as the means of self-determination/definition, which you promote.

Quote: Edit - O and I was talking about the Australian dude sitting on the panel with West. Hearing he was drunk is not surprising, he was acting like he was just hanging out with Rick Perry or some shit.

For a big guy, I'm surprised that he has problems keeping his shit in check after a cup of booze...or maybe he just felt like being chummy. He looked like he had drunk-face to me.