Originally Posted by J7. Was pointing out that you contradicted yourself, and if you don't want the games, then sell them. What do you think MS would do if they were in Sony's shoes? The same thing, but worse. Actually if you sold the additional content in that bundle you would make back more than the $20 extra it costs. Don't buy an older Slim because "Sony isn't standing behind that model". What the hell does that mean? Why the hell would Sony introduce a standalone at the same time as the bundle if they want to clear out all the old Slim stock?

1. I didn't contradict myself. I said I'd either like a price drop on the older slims or newer ones available without being bundled. Where's the contradiction? Seriously, go back and find it. Point it out to me with the handy "quote" feature.

2. If they think that they can improve upon the old slims enough to justify a new version, why would I want to buy the older version? Sony itself thought the new one was a good enough upgrade to justify putting it out, why wouldn't I want the newer one, too? Does that make more sense to you?

Furthermore, why are you so fired up about another person's opinion or purchasing decisions? Does it infuriate you that I'd like to have the option to buy a new slim PS3 without having crap that I don't want (that I'm apparently supposed to take the time to sell off) bundled with it?

I don't understand why you're bringing up MS, anyway. With a new model out, I either want the old model to be discounted or the new one to be sold by itself. Pretty simple. I don't see how MS factors in.

I brought MS up in my 9/25 post only because someone was making an apples to oranges comparison that was completely inaccurate, not because I want to have a discussion about the two companies' business policies that inevitably turns into a console fanboy flame war.

If you really want to take the position that either a)consumers shouldn't want more options or b)consumers shouldn't voice the opinion that they want more options, I don't see how you can defend it. You know, other than with hyperbole like before when you said that $199 old PS3 slims would put Sony out of business.

Originally Posted by kit352 Anyone grab one yet? Id like to see some initial thoughts on it.

Ill try to get this thread back on topic....

Its awesome. I drove 45 miles to dallas for one. I love it. It wont shock you lke the ps2 slim did with smallness or lightness, but it is quite small and light. I love the old school sliding door, despite how odd it may seem at times.

the button that turns the system on and opens said sliding door is one long button, kinda odd and bad, but it works ok.

The build doesnt seem QUITE as cheap as i thought it would, but if youre looking for something that resembles a beast, get an original or a original xbox. haha

Giantbomb did an unboxing if you want to see how big it is and how the sliding lid works

http://www.giantbomb.com/hey-its-the...on-3/17-6621/#

Originally Posted by wreckemtexastech Ill try to get this thread back on topic.... Its awesome. I drove 45 miles to dallas for one. I love it. It wont shock you lke the ps2 slim did with smallness or lightness, but it is quite small and light. I love the old school sliding door, despite how odd it may seem at times. the button that turns the system on and opens said sliding door is one long button, kinda odd and bad, but it works ok. The build doesnt seem QUITE as cheap as i thought it would, but if youre looking for something that resembles a beast, get an original or a original xbox. haha

Good to hear! I think the design is pretty cool. I was initially reserved about the sliding lid mechanism because of the possibility for failure, but I can't deny its coolness, either. I may end up getting one when all of my reward zone certificates start rolling in from my bevy of preorders.

i think i'm gonna preorder the AC3 bundle from amazon.... never had a ps3 and it seems like a decent deal. i know i'm gonna be pissed when the next gen consoles get announced in the spring but screw it.

I really, really want a good bundle/deal on the older slims since my phat is on its last legs :/

The one at Wal-Mart.com is decent but it comes with an extra controller (+ old $20 game)...I don't need yet another controller. If only they would let us choose a game instead.

But I feel like if I wait too long the old models will no longer be able to be found.

Originally Posted by vince_carter i think i'm gonna preorder the AC3 bundle from amazon.... never had a ps3 and it seems like a decent deal. i know i'm gonna be pissed when the next gen consoles get announced in the spring but screw it.

Nah. No way PS4 ends up being BC and there are a lot of great PS3 games.

Originally Posted by NeoUltima I really, really want a good bundle/deal on the older slims since my phat is on its last legs :/ The one at Wal-Mart.com is decent but it comes with an extra controller (+ old $20 game)...I don't need yet another controller. If only they would let us choose a game instead. But I feel like if I wait too long the old models will no longer be able to be found. Nah. No way PS4 ends up being BC and there are a lot of great PS3 games.

The Slims will most definetly be available for a discounted price this BF, most likely with a game or 2 attached to clear out stock. If anyone wants the older models, I think this november will be the last chance to get them with no hassle. After that I predict availability to be more rare

Originally Posted by vince_carter i think i'm gonna preorder the AC3 bundle from amazon.... never had a ps3 and it seems like a decent deal. i know i'm gonna be pissed when the next gen consoles get announced in the spring but screw it.

You won't be pissed. If you've never had a PS3, there are a ton of titles you have yet to enjoy.

Originally Posted by vince_carter i think i'm gonna preorder the AC3 bundle from amazon.... never had a ps3 and it seems like a decent deal. i know i'm gonna be pissed when the next gen consoles get announced in the spring but screw it.

You won't be too pissed because PS4 ain't gonna have backwards compatibility. You'll save a lot of money if you play some PS3 games before getting every 720 game that interests you, assuming you only buy a 720.

Originally Posted by Havok83 The Slims will most definetly be available for a discounted price this BF, most likely with a game or 2 attached to clear out stock. If anyone wants the older models, I think this november will be the last chance to get them with no hassle. After that I predict availability to be more rare

^ what he said.

Originally Posted by wreckemtexastech Ill try to get this thread back on topic.... Its awesome. I drove 45 miles to dallas for one. I love it. It wont shock you lke the ps2 slim did with smallness or lightness, but it is quite small and light. I love the old school sliding door, despite how odd it may seem at times. the button that turns the system on and opens said sliding door is one long button, kinda odd and bad, but it works ok. The build doesnt seem QUITE as cheap as i thought it would, but if youre looking for something that resembles a beast, get an original or a original xbox. haha

I will say this after lugging my Fat 60GB system in the original box into GS tonight and coming out with one of these SuperSlims I was actually blown away. It is going to be so nice to not have a lead block to move around.

Originally Posted by kit352 Anyone grab one yet? Id like to see some initial thoughts on it.

I picked one up. Overall, it's really nice. The unit is pretty small and very quiet. The sliding door does feel kind of cheap. In fact, the plastic on top of the console is pretty crappy in that it is really soft, and scratches extremely easy. I barely used mine and it has permanent scratches all over the top/front piece. It's just lower quality materials compared to the older versions.

Originally Posted by mrwogs2 I picked one up. Overall, it's really nice. The unit is pretty small and very quiet. The sliding door does feel kind of cheap. In fact, the plastic on top of the console is pretty crappy in that it is really soft, and scratches extremely easy. I barely used mine and it has permanent scratches all over the top/front piece. It's just lower quality materials compared to the older versions.

Scratches already? From the sliding door?

Not from the door, no. Just from normal usage.

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Originally Posted by mrwogs2 I picked one up. Overall, it's really nice. The unit is pretty small and very quiet. The sliding door does feel kind of cheap. In fact, the plastic on top of the console is pretty crappy in that it is really soft, and scratches extremely easy. I barely used mine and it has permanent scratches all over the top/front piece. It's just lower quality materials compared to the older versions.

Are you sure about this? because everything I have seen and read suggests that it is noticeably louder, particularly the disc drive nosies, than the 3000 model released last year. I hope you're right, though, but I just seem to be getting some conflicting information

I'm waiting for the Assassin's Creed III 500GB bundle with the free month of PSN+ because its the better value compared to the $270 model. Since I have no interest in AC III and will sell it on ebay with the PSN+ card, I'll get double the hard drive capacity, still be able to buy and play Uncharted 3 for $20 (not GOTY) and still have extra money left over.

Since I'll have almost $450 in credit, im just waiting for Best Buy to allow store pickup pre-orders for this bundle which will hopefully be sooner rather than later.

As for Wii U, no thanks. As for Xbox 3 and PS4, no thanks to them too. After this generation dies, im done with current and future gaming. Just no point anymore.

Originally Posted by dan77733 As for Wii U, no thanks. As for Xbox 3 and PS4, no thanks to them too. After this generation dies, im done with current and future gaming. Just no point anymore.

What? Why? I'm genuinely curious. It's not like this has been a short console life cycle...it'll have been like 8 years at least once the next ones come out, not to mention that good games will come out for the current gen systems for another couple of years at least.

Originally Posted by mrwogs2 I picked one up. Overall, it's really nice. The unit is pretty small and very quiet. The sliding door does feel kind of cheap. In fact, the plastic on top of the console is pretty crappy in that it is really soft, and scratches extremely easy. I barely used mine and it has permanent scratches all over the top/front piece. It's just lower quality materials compared to the older versions.

What did you put on the top that scratched it?

Originally Posted by roundhouse Giantbomb did an unboxing if you want to see how big it is and how the sliding lid works http://www.giantbomb.com/hey-its-the...on-3/17-6621/#

Well I am going to just have to live with the top loading sliding thing. Not too stoked about that but after seeing how much smaller it is than my fat PS3 that makes up for it.

Originally Posted by akathatoneguy What? Why? I'm genuinely curious. It's not like this has been a short console life cycle...it'll have been like 8 years at least once the next ones come out, not to mention that good games will come out for the current gen systems for another couple of years at least.

2014 is my guess for Xbox 3 and PS4.

Once this generation dies, I'll sell off my 360 and PS3 and just stick with my slim PS2 and probably buy back an SNES. The reasons are simple actually -

1) Too much money for less. Now, you pay $60 for a game but then spend more money to unlock stuff in the game, extra characters, missions, etc. to where the cost is just insane. Online passes too. When I see stuff available for purchase for avatars, I know gaming is going downhill. Seriously, I have purchased some DLC for games but not much and none whatsoever for themes and avatar stuff. Just think thats flushing money down the toilet.

2) Online/Digital Download. I dont play online and could care less about it. When I need to be a Gold member just to download a roster for Madden 13, there's a problem. PS3 is free to play and whatnot but that will change with PS4. Speaking of Madden 13, its a perfect example. M13 is meant to be played online which makes it useless to me. And people dont realize that the more you're willing to pay to play online, the greater the chances are that next gen systems go all digital which would be horrible because there's no reason for any publisher (especially those like EA, Activision, Capcom, etc.) to ever lower the price. Game releases at $60 and STAYS at that price forever because there would be no other way to play the game. Also, if the game is crap or you dont like it or finished it and wont play it again, you're stuck with it and cant sell it to get back some money to put towards an upcoming game.

3) The death of used games. Online passes are the start of this. Buying a game used and then having to buy an online pass to play the game online? What a rip off. Also, if you buy a game used, you're getting it cheaper than new which is another reason why I think that eventually consoles will be all digital. It eliminates so much in one move and favors those making the money.

4) Achievements/Trophies, etc. I hate all this crap. I think that a lot of games get played extra just because of this as opposed to the game actually being worth playing again. I hate having to create an avatar and keeping a record of every game I played especially when I cant delete the game. Just prefer the old days of plug and play.

5) DLC. I have bought some DLC for games because I wanted to keep playing them which is why now, I try finishing the game within a week or two and sell it because if I see DLC that I actually want to play (Sleeping Dogs would be a perfect example for me), I'll keep buying it which means it will just increase which long term is a bad thing. Also, combine this with Digital Download only and you'll have companies selling games via DD along with DLC content so instead of $60, you'll have to pay $80, $100 or even more but wont be able to do anything about it because you'll have no other way of playing the game.

6) All this extra stuff. Netflix, Hulu, etc. A video game console is meant to do just that - play games. If I wanted to do all this extra stuff, I wouldnt turn on my game console and pop in a game. Worse, there's too much focus on all of this crap when the focus should be on the games themselves. More worse is the fact that you need Gold to use all the apps which is nuts. If I wanted to watch Netflix, I would pay the $8, get an HDMI cable, connect my laptop to my HDTV and save $60 for Gold and the result is the same. Core aspects of video games are becoming less and less of a priority which is sad because thats what you're paying for to begin with but arent getting.

7) WiiMotion, Kinect, Move. UGH. I hate all this motion sensor camera whatever crap. Give me a damn controller, turn the system on, put in the disc and get out of my way so I can play the game. This is all just gimmicky crap. Granted, its made Nintendo a LOT of money and build their user base for Wii U but at the same time, majority of those people werent playing video games 20 years ago like I was. I want more traditional games that are worth the price and worth playing without any of this extra crap that should be in the game to begin with instead of being added as $15 DLC.

8) Manuals/Booklets. This is meaningless to most but important to me. Now, I open a new game and I see a two page manual telling me to go online to see the full manual. I remember back when I bought Chrono Trigger for SNES and the manual was like 80 something pages. Buying and opening games back then was actually exciting and that was before playing the game. This is also another reason why gaming will go all digital sooner rather than later.

9) Length of majority of games are too short. Some games are just over too damn fast even though majority of people exaggerate (especially on review sites) the game length. Short game length also means more DLC and more money spent for less.

10) Missions/chapters, etc. that require online play even though the single player story does not. Lone example is the prologue in Splinter Cell Conviction. Wanted to play it but dont play online and have no freinds that care about SCC so im stuck. Why you couldnt control Archer (or Kestrel) and have the CPU AI control the other guy is beyond me. See how this gen has taken away the focus from single player games to online, online, its all online?

Thats pretty much it. The only things I like about this era of gaming are (but not without faults) -

1) XBLA/PSN. Games like Outland, Lara Croft, Shadow Complex, Rainbow Moon, etc. are damn good games, far cheaper at $15 (or $10 in Outland's case) and actually better than majority of retail games. Granted, I prefer disc based games but I can understand games like these being released this way because they wont make any money but at least they're good games. Also, I have realized that XBLA/PSN games dont all have DLC for them which is a positive. Some do but compared to retail games, isnt not even close. Rainbow Moon for example is arguably the RPG of the year and its only $15. I will say all that DLC add on crap they have for it is just way too much. Cash for in-game coins? Seriously, WTF? Aside from that, I have actually played more XBLA/PSN games than I have retail games because quite simply, they're better, more fun and less money and more times than not, no DLC.

2) Patches. This is good to fix bugs, problems, glitches, etc. but the problem is that because of this, extra problems make it into the final retail product which shouldnt happen. Sometimes I think that companies dont even test their games figuring that the consumers will do it for them, complain and then, they can just release a patch to shut everyone up.

3) Ability to share files. Perfect example would be NBA 2K11. When I went online to download the roster update on PS3, I see all these classic rosters and stuff which brought back good memories. Stuff like this is good. Charging extra money for it or to be a Gold member to access this stuff is not. Gold member comment mainly towards Madden. Dont know if any other game has the same problems.

4) DLC. Yeah, few times, I bought DLC. Would I rather have it die? Yes but with that said, if the DLC is good and cheap, its worth it. If not, then nope. Perfect example for me is Splinter Cell Conviction. Love the game and loved Deniable Ops. Paying $10 for the Insurgency Pack was worth the price because it was good, solid to good length and added more playing time to Deniable Ops which I loved. Worse part of DLC is that companies take advantage of us with it. But then again, if everyone buys DLC (including me), they will continue doing it so I guess I cant complain that much.

Anyway, thats pretty much it. Sorry for the long ass book but you said you were curious. LOL.

^didnt read your whole post, only point number one.
I assume most CAGs spend minimum amount (if not negative) of money playing games.
I have never purchased any (yes, any) DLC in my life, I refuse to fuel this business model.