Originally Posted by shadowkast Where do you get $4 month from? Dividing the ps+ subscription cost by 1 game? That's bad logic man. Divide the cost by all the games you get in a year and you're looking at less than $1 for your one year rental. Try to rent a game anywhere else for $1/year. Double dragon neon is not a game i need to own for life. Anyways, who's to say if you buy it outright (your just buying a license to the game btw) that you'll still be able to play it 10-20 years down the road. I get your point and it's valid to a degree. Not starting a debate but concerned purchasers should see both sides of the debate

The $4 per month is roughly what PS plus per year cost breaks into, monthly.

And I thank you for being the only person to give me a kind, real reply. I hear what you are saying about it 'adding up'. I dont need a game for life either, but I hardly played the free games when they came out. I kept paying, monthly, for such hits as Inferno Pool and Simpsons Arcade when I knew in my heart I'd never get to those.

I guess paying a monthly fee to keep games for free just isn't for me.

I love you all. Remember that.

$50 / 12months = $4.17per month

I come out ahead. You think you've lost money. YMMV. It's all good.

Your math is still wrong however ;-)

Originally Posted by blinknot4 The $4 per month is roughly what PS plus per year cost breaks into, monthly. And I thank you for being the only person to give me a kind, real reply. I hear what you are saying about it 'adding up'. I dont need a game for life either, but I hardly played the free games when they came out. I kept paying, monthly, for such hits as Inferno Pool and Simpsons Arcade when I knew in my heart I'd never get to those. I guess paying a monthly fee to keep games for free just isn't for me. I love you all. Remember that.

Bit late but I do agree with you,
I have PS+, and yes all the free games are great but I already own most of the big titles.
(even some random PSN titles)
others? I download once and never play them.

If only merit for PS+ were Free games, I don't think I would of bought it.

Its Disocunts and Free DLCs what I like

We almost never get free DLC though.

I just signed up for PS+ and am loving it, DD:N is a prime example of game I would want to play but not necessarily keep forever. But I do have a few long-term concerns, the primary being; who's to say this service is going to remain $50/yr? Is it impossible for Sony to say at some point "We are giving you more for your money than our competitor, therefore we're going to raise our price to match." And what about after that?

I know I know, inflation, COLA and all that. But I don't want to be paying $75/yr for PS+ five years down the road and "who knows what" beyond that.

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Originally Posted by GT I come out ahead. You think you've lost money. YMMV. It's all good. Your math is still wrong however ;-)

Ha - it is all good. Cordial debates are the best kind.

Originally Posted by Kstyle Bit late but I do agree with you, I have PS+, and yes all the free games are great but I already own most of the big titles. (even some random PSN titles) others? I download once and never play them. If only merit for PS+ were Free games, I don't think I would of bought it. Its Disocunts and Free DLCs what I like

I concur.

Originally Posted by Turbojugend I just signed up for PS+ and am loving it, DD:N is a prime example of game I would want to play but not necessarily keep forever. But I do have a few long-term concerns, the primary being; who's to say this service is going to remain $50/yr? Is it impossible for Sony to say at some point "We are giving you more for your money than our competitor, therefore we're going to raise our price to match." And what about after that? I know I know, inflation, COLA and all that. But I don't want to be paying $75/yr for PS+ five years down the road and "who knows what" beyond that.

Who's to say that Sony will say, "Hey, we're making too much money, let's drop this down to $10 a year?"

Point is, it's needless worrying over hypothetical situations. We'll see what happens when it happens.

Originally Posted by Turbojugend I just signed up for PS+ and am loving it, DD:N is a prime example of game I would want to play but not necessarily keep forever. But I do have a few long-term concerns, the primary being; who's to say this service is going to remain $50/yr? Is it impossible for Sony to say at some point "We are giving you more for your money than our competitor, therefore we're going to raise our price to match." And what about after that? I know I know, inflation, COLA and all that. But I don't want to be paying $75/yr for PS+ five years down the road and "who knows what" beyond that.

then buy more psn plus + at $50 u will add another year to your service

Originally Posted by blinknot4 PS Plus games for 'Free' are actually more expensive... Here is how: Example scenario 1: No PS Plus, Double Dragon is $10. Pay once and play it whenever you want. Example scenario 2: Yes PS Plus, Double Dragon is $4 a month, forever. If you quit PS Plus, you lose the game. Look, I used to have PS Plus ... And I love me some PS3, and unless they changed the 'quit and you lose it' thing, the only thing PS+ is good for is discounts on games and DLC -- not 'free' games.

Exactly. Plus I guess I should have mentioned that those 2 games are literally the ONLY games that give any sort of crap about playing and I don't already own that are currently free to download with PS+. So purchasing and maintaining a PS+ subscription just for those 2 games is in no way, shape or form economical for me. As far as I've been concerned since it's inception, PS+ FTL! Of course that's just my opinion; but as far as my gaming tastes are concerned, they've never had a lineup of "free" games which has included more than 1 or 2 games, if any at all, that I care about and don't own or wouldn't rather own the disc version. And once in a great while they'll have a decent deal on something I want; but so far it's been so few and far between that it would never have made sense for me to purchase the PS+ service.

And to make it even worse, all I was concerned about when I redeemed my free PS+ trial code was that hopefully they would have some nice discounts on something I cared about. Yet I held onto it for 2 months with absolutely no PS+ discounts that interested me and when I finally had to use or it would expire, I saved a whopping $2.00 or 40% on a game I'm mildly interested in playing and that's it. I wasn't even planning on playing any of the free games until DDN came out and I thought I'd give it a try. And I remember when Hard Corps was free; but just like with DDN, it was literally the only game I cared about that was free to download at the time. I honestly just don't see how PS+ is economical in the long run unless you are actually playing every single title that has ever been free to download and taking advantage of every single discount, which seems hard for me to imagine.

EDIT: Ok, I just read how everybody is questioning the poster's logic above and I'm not quite sure what there is to question. Obviously he is assuming DDN is the only game you'd want, which it just so happens to be currently and I don't know why anybody would assume otherwise since I didn't list any other PS+ free to download games. The $4 per month is the rounded down monthly cost for an annual subscription and idk if they offer you better rates for renewing your subscription but assuming they don't, then after 3 months, you'd have payed more for the game than just straight out buying it. And obviously there may be future PS+ free to download games that I'm interested in but given my complete lack of interest to date in 95%+ of the PS+ "free" offerings, I doubt it would much be worth it. And as with the above poster, I love the PS3, think it has a great game lineup and is my favorite console this generation but I think PS+ is complete garbage and unless you are actually interested in a vast majority of the free or discounted games and have time to play them, then I question the logic of purchasing a PS+ subscription.

Originally Posted by blinknot4 Nobody has even addressed my ONLY issue, the 'free' games and the option to keep them. 3 dollar discounts I liked, free avatars are nice, early demos are fine. GT, How many games would you lose if you we're to quit Ps+?

Right now, if someone joined PS+ for a year they would be paying about ~$4/month for the following games:

BloodRayne: Betrayal - 961 MB
Double Dragon Neon - 1.9 GB
Infamous 2 - 15 GB
LittleBigPlanet 2 - 4.8 GB
LittleBigPlanet Sackboys' Prehistoric Moves
NFL Blitz - 1.9 GB *
Outland - 1.2 GB
Pac-Man Championship Edition DX - 248 MB
Ratchet and Clank: All 4 One - 14 GB
Renegade Ops - 2.6 GB
Scott Pilgrim vs. The World - 176 MB
Sideway New York - 1.7 GB *
Starhawk Single-Player Campaign - 9.4 GB - Ends 10/23
Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine - 6.1 GB *

I'm not gonna look up the value of each one of those, so let's just say each one costs $10. So you're getting about $130 worth of value (13 games x $10 each) for $4/month.

But here's the cool thing about PS+, the longer your a member, the more games you get access to for your $4/month fee (which doesn't go up...well it hasn't yet).

I've been a member for 15 months, for my $4/month I get access to:

Gotham City Imposters
Pac-Man Championship DX
Renegade Ops
Altered Beast
Awesomenauts
Back to the Future: The Game
Battle Fantasia
Bomberman Ultra
Choplifter HD
Comix Zone
Crash Commando
Far Cry 2
Fatal Inertia
Frogger Returns
Golden Axe
Hard Corps: Uprising
Hydrophbia: Prophecy
inFamous 2
Inferno Pool
Just Cause 2
Lara Croft: Guardian of Light
Little Big Planet 2
Mahjong Tales
Plants vs. Zombies
Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One
Rock of Ages
Sackboy's Prehistoric Moves
Saints Row 2
Shank 2
Shift 2: Unleashed
Sly Cooper
Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Streets of Rage 2
Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix
Supersonic Acrobatic Rocket Powered Cars
The Simpsons Arcade Game
Trine 2
Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown
Warhammer 40000: Space Marine
Zombie Apocalypse: NDA

It's not a fully up to date list, but that's access to 41 games for $4/month, or approximately 10 cents per game per month. Now using my same valuation method of $10/game, I now have access to $410 of gaming content for $4/month. It would take me 8 years worth of PS+ subscriptions (8 years x $50) to buy those 41 games.

That's not including any of the free PS1 Classics, Minis, DLC, or discounted games I've gotten, and also assuming I pay $50/year for PS+, which I haven't for either of the years I've owned it thus far.

Hope this makes sense...

Originally Posted by rpg then buy more psn plus + at $50 u will add another year to your service

That's actually a good point, unlike the other "don't worry be happy" comment. They usually give advance notice before a rate hike (or at least MS did with XBL Gold).

Question, and I know it's probably been asked and all that, and there's probably a thread I don't know about, but what's the easiest way to find discounts on PS+? Are there any deals right now? I've decided to finally start playing my PS3 more and finally get through all the games I have, and I'd like to play InFamous 2 and a few others eventually. Thanks in advance and sorry if I'm annoying with this question, I'm just horrible at searching through the forums.

Originally Posted by Turbojugend That's actually a good point, unlike the other "don't worry be happy" comment. They usually give advance notice before a rate hike (or at least MS did with XBL Gold).

Yes, that is a way better suggestion than mine. Let's buy up a few year's worth of PS+ now in the off chance that they decide to raise the price at some point in the future. Let's worry about shit for no reason, yay.

Originally Posted by tuffguycore Question, and I know it's probably been asked and all that, and there's probably a thread I don't know about, but what's the easiest way to find discounts on PS+? Are there any deals right now? I've decided to finally start playing my PS3 more and finally get through all the games I have, and I'd like to play InFamous 2 and a few others eventually. Thanks in advance and sorry if I'm annoying with this question, I'm just horrible at searching through the forums.

hit the CAG trading forums some PS+ codes occasionally show up on there for cheap, I got a 12-month code for $25 a couple of weeks ago

Originally Posted by Turbojugend That's actually a good point, unlike the other "don't worry be happy" comment. They usually give advance notice before a rate hike (or at least MS did with XBL Gold).

Speaking of Live, I really beleive that is why Sony came out with plus. They want to get as many people on the service as possible so they can begin chargin everyone for online service at some point. But to combat as much complaining they can show all the discounts and "free games" they give away.

Either way, doesnt bother me. For now I like what I get for my money on plus. Some games wont be for me and others will. But I really dont see myself caring wether or not I can play Double Dragon Neon or any other PSN game 1 year from now, let alone 10.

Originally Posted by LazyTriangle hit the CAG trading forums some PS+ codes occasionally show up on there for cheap, I got a 12-month code for $25 a couple of weeks ago

I've looked I hardly see anything, but thanks, I'll just keep my eye out better!

Originally Posted by wrencrest Speaking of Live, I really beleive that is why Sony came out with plus. They want to get as many people on the service as possible so they can begin chargin everyone for online service at some point. But to combat as much complaining they can show all the discounts and "free games" they give away. Either way, doesnt bother me. For now I like what I get for my money on plus. Some games wont be for me and others will. But I really dont see myself caring wether or not I can play Double Dragon Neon or any other PSN game 1 year from now, let alone 10.

The impression I get is that PS+ was done in lieu of charging for online, as they've now got this paid service that's quickly gaining traction with people for the amount of content they get for the cost. They can have the free online that is a big marketing point while also having the subscription service that brings in money regularly.

Originally Posted by blinknot4 PS Plus games for 'Free' are actually more expensive... Here is how: Example scenario 1: No PS Plus, Double Dragon is $10. Pay once and play it whenever you want. Example scenario 2: Yes PS Plus, Double Dragon is $4 a month, forever. If you quit PS Plus, you lose the game. Look, I used to have PS Plus ... And I love me some PS3, and unless they changed the 'quit and you lose it' thing, the only thing PS+ is good for is discounts on games and DLC -- not 'free' games.

Sorry but I don't find any logic in that example.
How "free games" are more expensive?

Right now I have like 20 "free games" (I'm not even counting the games that went on sale for PS+ and I bought, because those games are mine to keep "forever").
So right now I pay $4 per month for those 20 games and by next year I'll probably have access to new "free games" to add to my collection and I'll still be paying $4 per month.

Also, you are missing other benefits, like that 1 GB cloud. Last month my HDD suddenly died and if it were not for the PS+ cloud I would have lost all my game saves.

Originally Posted by FriskyTanuki The impression I get is that PS+ was done in lieu of charging for online, as they've now got this paid service that's quickly gaining traction with people for the amount of content they get for the cost. They can have the free online that is a big marketing point while also having the subscription service that brings in money regularly.

If that is all they want to do and never charge for online gaming only then thats great. Hope it works out for them as I like the service. I think the auto updates and online cloud saves are great in addition to the free and discounted games.

Now I just need to figure out what to get this month along with reupping my plus that expires in December.

I posted this the other day and it was missed or no one cared. Does anyone think the Doom BFG edition will be great or worth "overpaying" at $35.99? I missed out on Doom 3 on Xbox and read they made some nice impovements like the flaslight mechanic.