Originally Posted by chuckie88 Well LSU just beat S.Carolina. I'd project top 5 to be: Alabama Oregon Florida K.State N.Dame

I agree except I think Notre Dame should jump Kansas State based on the quality of the win. They both won but Notre Dame had the more challenging opponent. Next week, assuming they both won, they should switch back because WVU is/will be ranked but BYU isn't/won't be.

ND did have a more challenging opponent but they also won in overtime on what most would consider a controversial decision by the replay official. I agree that K.State would deserve to be above them if they both win next week. My thoughts are that K.State stays ahead right now, especially because they play W.Virginia next week. If they lose, they drop. If they win, their position is made valid. If Florida takes out S.Carolina next week, they will be firmly in third.

Originally Posted by chuckie88 ND did have a more challenging opponent but they also won in overtime on what most would consider a wrong decision by the replay official. I agree that K.State would deserve to be above them if they both win next week. My thoughts are that K.State stays ahead right now, especially because they play W.Virginia next week. If they lose, they drop. If they win, their position is made valid. If Florida takes out S.Carolina next week, they will be firmly in third.

Fixed it for you.

Seriously, Stanford got screwed.

I agree that was a touchdown, but Stanford still had to score again, which wasn't a guarantee to happen.

Originally Posted by A Happy Panda Fixed it for you. Seriously, Stanford got screwed.

LOL...that edit does make it more plain doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Genocidal I agree that was a touchdown, but Stanford still had to score again, which wasn't a guarantee to happen.

Right, but they were wrongly denied the chance to win the game.

Pac-12 officiating continues to be laughably bad. I speak as a long, long time fan of Oregon and proponent of the Pac-12 (generally)

Originally Posted by A Happy Panda Right, but they were wrongly denied the chance to win the game. Pac-12 officiating continues to be laughably bad. I speak as a long, long time fan of Oregon and proponent of the Pac-12 (generally)

Did Stanford get screwed on the call? Yes. Sometimes that's what happens when a game is that close on the end. Yeah it's unfortunate but at the same time they should not have let the game go to overtime. They should have scored more points in regulation and won it there. Don't miss the chip shot FG in the first quarter. Or they should have stopped ND from scoring a TD on their OT possession. They has us backed up and in a third and long before Rees converted the 1st down. Stop us there and we're kicking a long FG with a so/so kicker. Don't clobber Goldson to get a roughing penalty and extend our drive. Or maybe you try something besides four straight running plays right up the middle. The point is they had MANY opportunities to change the outcome of this game but didn't. Saying Stanford was screwed out of a chance to win the game is simply not true.

I said the same thing about the "Bush Push" game a few years back. At first I was pissed because we got screwed but then again it was our own fault that it came down to a controversial goal line play. A few plays before that we had USC in a 4th and 10 but then we let Leinert get a long pass completion down the sideline to keep the game going. Notre Dame stops them there and there's no such thing as the "Bush Push" play.

AP Top 25 has been published:
(undefeated teams in italics)

1. Alabama 6-0
2. Oregon 6-0
3. Florida 6-0
4. K.State 6-0
5. N.Dame 6-0
6. LSU 6-1
7. Ohio St. 7-0
8. Oregon St. 6-0
9. S. Carolina 6-1
10. Oklahoma 4-1
11. USC 5-1
12. Florida St. 6-1
13. Georgia 5-1
14. Clemson 5-1
15. Miss. St. 6-0
16. Louisville 6-0
17. W. Viginia 5-1
18. Texas Tech 5-1
19. Rutgers 6-0
20. Texas A&M 5-1
21. Cincinnati 5-0
22. Stanford 4-2
23. Michigan 4-2
24. Boise St. 5-1
25. Ohio 7-0

BS that Texas Tech is behind WVU. Even worse in the coaches poll where WVU is 15 and TT 20

Originally Posted by Chitown021 Saying Stanford was screwed out of a chance to win the game is simply not true.

That's actually an insane thing to say. Did the refs blow the call? Yes, you even say it yourself. Was Stanford then wrongly denied the chance to win the game? Yes. Every team in every game has a million chances to win or close out a game, but those points in time are moot. This one particular call on this one particular play cost Stanford the chance to win the game.

As much as a Michigan fan such as myself hates it, it was good for the Wolverines that N.Dame got the victory. Especially in the BCS era, you just have to hope that any team that beats your team wins all of their games. Of course it would have been better just to beat N.Dame to begin with but that obviously didn't happen.

BCS Rankings are out...

Ducks got jumped by Florida for the #2 spot due to the bye week.

First BCS rankings of the season:
(undefeated teams in italics)

1. Alabama 6-0
2. Florida 6-0
3. Oregon 6-0
4. K.State 6-0
5. N.Dame 6-0
6. LSU 6-1
7. S.Carolina 6-1
8. Oregon St. 5-0
9. Oklahoma 4-1
10. USC 5-1
11. Georgia 5-1
12. Miss. St. 6-0
13. W.Viginia 5-1
14. Florida St. 6-1
15. Rutgers 6-0
16. Louisville 6-0
17. Texas Tech 5-1
18. Texas A&M 5-1
19. Clemson 5-1
20. Stanford 4-2
21. Cincinnati 5-0
22. Boise St. 5-1
23. TCU 5-1
24. Iowa St. 4-2
25. Texas 4-2

Interesting to see how it shook out sans Ohio St., although they can still play quite the spoiler for other Big 10 teams. I also found it interesting how Rutgers placed 4 spots higher here than in the AP poll. Since the whole system rides on the BCS, this is the only ranking system I tend to pay attention to from here on out.

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Originally Posted by A Happy Panda That's actually an insane thing to say. Did the refs blow the call? Yes, you even say it yourself. Was Stanford then wrongly denied the chance to win the game? Yes. Every team in every game has a million chances to win or close out a game, but those points in time are moot. This one particular call on this one particular play cost Stanford the chance to win the game.

I misspoke. You're right, I shouldn't have said Stanford was denied THE chance to win, it would have been more accurate to say they were denied A chance to win. The call denied them of A single opportunity to win the game but they had THE chance to win the game all day.


Just like in the Bush Push. The non-call denied Notre Dame that final chance to win but they could have ended the thing a couple plays earlier on 4th down.

I was just looking over the BCS in more detail to see how Iowa St. ended up at 24. Answer? The computer ranking was showing the Cyclones some love as they placed 31st and 35th in the Harris and Coaches polls.

The computers top 5? Glad you asked, our silcon friend(s) rank them as follows; 1)Florida, 2)N.Dame, 3)Alabama, 4)Kansas St., and 5)Oregon St.

Originally Posted by Chitown021 I misspoke. You're right, I shouldn't have said Stanford was denied THE chance to win, it would have been more accurate to say they were denied A chance to win. The call denied them of A single opportunity to win the game but they had THE chance to win the game all day. Just like in the Bush Push. The non-call denied Notre Dame that final chance to win but they could have ended the thing a couple plays earlier on 4th down.

Ultimately, it comes down to officials altering the outcome of games. As I said earlier, both teams had the opportunity to go up 50 pts and not go into an OT, but they didn't and went into OT. Both teams played as good of a football game as they were able to against each other but the finish was cheapened by officials changing the possibility of a different outcome.

Originally Posted by chuckie88 As much as a Michigan fan such as myself hates it, it was good for the Wolverines that N.Dame got the victory. Especially in the BCS era, you just have to hope that any team that beats your team wins all of their games. Of course it would have been better just to beat N.Dame to begin with but that obviously didn't happen.

Same here. I've been hoping that Michigan and Michigan State would continue to win for strength of schedule reasons. I hope the Irish don't overlook BYU. As well as they're paying right now Oklahoma scares the heck out of me. I think a vertical passing team like that could really expose our young secondary if their line protects Landry Jones and we can't get a solid pass rush. That loss to Kansas State seems to have woken them up (or Texas was just way overrated).

Originally Posted by chuckie88 First BCS rankings of the season: Interesting to see how it shook out sans Ohio St., although they can still play quite the spoiler for other Big 10 teams. I also found it interesting how Rutgers placed 4 spots higher here than in the AP poll. Since the whole system rides on the BCS, this is the only ranking system I tend to pay attention to from here on out.

Wow the Big 12 bias is high. Texas gets hammered by Oklahoma and gets into the BCS ranking when all other polls have them not ranked. Iowa St is ranked... so laughable.

ACC teams dropped 6 spots in the BCS from their AP/Coaches/Harris/USA poll counterparts. 0s listed in most computer polls. You have to be joking me.

Originally Posted by lordopus99 Wow the Big 12 bias is high. Texas gets hammered by Oklahoma and gets into the BCS ranking when all other polls have them not ranked. Iowa St is ranked... so laughable. ACC teams dropped 6 spots in the BCS from their AP/Coaches/Harris/USA poll counterparts. 0s listed in most computer polls. You have to be joking me.

Are you arguing that math and numbers are biased?

Originally Posted by Genocidal Are you arguing that math and numbers are biased?

How are those numbers determined?

I leave it like this... Take the Colley. The Colley poll would give Notre Dame the #1 spot. Oregon is #7 in this poll. Do you really believe Oregon is the number 7 team in the country with the scores they run up on teams? Oregon State is ranked #4; in other words, the Colley believes Oregon State is a better team than Oregon. Do you think any coach or sports analyst would make that bet? No way they would. Fun Fact: Western Kentucky is #23 in the Colley. Yes, they according to the Colley is the #23 team in the country. That is laughable.

Do you see the bias?