lol at listing the games you bought this year as if that means anything. For every good Vita game you bought, there's just as many great games on 3DS/PC/PS3 that you missed.

If I did not have a PS3, I would've bought more Vita games. But since I do have a ps3 and I prefer to play my games on that, I buy fewer Vita games (of the same title). The cross-play is nice, but way too few games support it.

All these game lists people are posting are faulty. If you're gonna make a list, you should be adding a separate column for multi-console games or add both games under all the systems that offer it to even it out (since we can pick which version we wanna buy for the same game).
Lists with exclusives under their proper system are fine.

As for the OP, if you value gaming on the go and you're attracted to at least 2 of the Vita's exclusives, I say go for it. If you decide to hold off, you'll get a better deal down the road (maybe another new color option or two as well).

Had something written up after following Sandy the last few days, and found out the thread has come down to what I've been avoiding. Have fun with your inner circle, I know I don't need to waste any more of anyone's time here. I'll stick to deals and avoid opinions from now on.

PS: Sony released their second quarter results. That should tell you a lot about their overall situation.

Originally Posted by poiuiu Had something written up after following Sandy the last few days, and found out the thread has come down to what I've been avoiding. Have fun with your inner circle, I know I don't need to waste any more of anyone's time here. I'll stick to deals and avoid opinions from now on. PS: Sony released their second quarter results. That should tell you a lot about their overall situation.

I'm curious as to what your thoughts are, an what your opinion of what position Sony is in.

Originally Posted by poiuiu Had something written up after following Sandy the last few days, and found out the thread has come down to what I've been avoiding. Have fun with your inner circle, I know I don't need to waste any more of anyone's time here. I'll stick to deals and avoid opinions from now on. PS: Sony released their second quarter results. That should tell you a lot about their overall situation.

Because the fact that it hasn't sold gangbusters means that it really must truly suck. High sales does not a good game make. If that were the case then we'd all only game on DS's and play Angry Birds all the time.

I get sick of hearing stuff like that. And there's no inner circle with all of us, there are plenty of us in here that own multiple consoles(like me) that doesn't like one over the other(again, like me), and that can admit to both strengths and weaknesses of both sides(be it hardware, software or network related).

It's a good console. It has good games. So does just about every other console ever made. No reason to get all butthurt because some people like it a lot.

Originally Posted by Aquablak Well, I just picked up the Assassin's Creed 3: Liberation bundle this morning. The white Vita (I prefer the white one over the black), AC3, a memory card that will serve for a little while to save games, and the $50 gift card was just too much to pass up. Couple this with Hot Shots and Wipeout that I picked up on sale at Staples, and I'm all set!

Canadians win this round.

I'm in the market for a Vita as well, but the price point is too high and the bs related to the included memory card size and individual pricing is a deal-breaker.

Getting more people to buy Vitas is simple:

1) lower entry price [as in sub-$200]
2) increase the included memory card size to at least 64GB [oh sorry, 32GB is the current limit?! LOL!] what a joke!

Viola! Then, we have a winner.

Originally Posted by poiuiu Had something written up after following Sandy the last few days, and found out the thread has come down to what I've been avoiding. Have fun with your inner circle, I know I don't need to waste any more of anyone's time here. I'll stick to deals and avoid opinions from now on. PS: Sony released their second quarter results. That should tell you a lot about their overall situation.

I'm inclined to say, No, don't go, this is an inclusive community! (and if there's an inner circle, I'm not part of it >.<). That last bit you threw in leaves a sour taste; For starters, they banded the PSP and Vita together (which is a rubbish idea in my opinion, they should have predictions for each), and reduced the prediction by 2 million. So, what does that say? That the PSP is finally dead? Probably. That the Vita isn't moving units? Probably. That the Vita is a terrible platform? Absolutely not. Sales numbers, and the quality of the experience offered by the platform, have very little correlation. Dreamcast?

Originally Posted by Mixer236 Because the fact that it hasn't sold gangbusters means that it really must truly suck. High sales does not a good game make. If that were the case then we'd all only game on DS's and play Angry Birds all the time. I get sick of hearing stuff like that. And there's no inner circle with all of us, there are plenty of us in here that own multiple consoles(like me) that doesn't like one over the other(again, like me), and that can admit to both strengths and weaknesses of both sides(be it hardware, software or network related). It's a good console. It has good games. So does just about every other console ever made. No reason to get all butthurt because some people like it a lot.

Agreed on all points. OH! EXCEPT THE VITA IS PERFECT. You know, other that being stupid bulky, and having a (mostly) annoying back touch pad, and terrible UI, and...

Originally Posted by Mospeada_21 Canadians win this round. I'm in the market for a Vita as well, but the price point is too high and the bs related to the included memory card size and individual pricing is a deal-breaker. Getting more people to buy Vitas is simple: 1) lower entry price [as in sub-$200] 2) increase the included memory card size to at least 64GB [oh sorry, 32GB is the current limit?! LOL!] what a joke! Viola! Then, we have a winner.

Yes and yes. Especially memory. Games are too big for these tiny cards. -.-

Originally Posted by Booyakz I'm inclined to say, No, don't go, this is an inclusive community! (and if there's an inner circle, I'm not part of it >.<). That last bit you threw in leaves a sour taste; For starters, they banded the PSP and Vita together (which is a rubbish idea in my opinion, they should have predictions for each), and reduced the prediction by 2 million. So, what does that say? That the PSP is finally dead? Probably. That the Vita isn't moving units? Probably. That the Vita is a terrible platform? Absolutely not. Sales numbers, and the quality of the experience offered by the platform, have very little correlation. Dreamcast?

Dreamcast was the first thing that came to my mind as well.

Originally Posted by Booyakz Agreed on all points. OH! EXCEPT THE VITA IS PERFECT. You know, other that being stupid bulky, and having a (mostly) annoying back touch pad, and terrible UI, and...

I think the UI is the most annoying thing to me, though the back touch being used unnecessarily is a close second. The only games that used it right that come to mind are Uncharted(zooming in with the sniper rifle was surprisingly fluid & a welcome addition) & LBP.

Originally Posted by Booyakz Yes and yes. Especially memory. Games are too big for these tiny cards. -.-

I still wish they would have just found a way to stick an HDD in there(or at least a substantial amount of flash memory) and maybe upped the price $20-$50. I'd rather have payed $350 for the 3G and have a 120GB memory upgrade than pay $300 and then an extra $99 for only a 32GB card.

Originally Posted by Mixer236 I think the UI is the most annoying thing to me, though the back touch being used unnecessarily is a close second. The only games that used it right that come to mind are Uncharted(zooming in with the sniper rifle was surprisingly fluid & a welcome addition) & LBP.

Agreed, Uncharted did use it well, in that case it improved gameplay (it did have less welcome additions with the front touch, like rowing and chopping through cloth and bamboo). Making tracks in Modnation was probably the best use I've experienced, marked improvement over PS3 there. It's being sorted out, LBP shows the devs are making progress, they understand now.

Originally Posted by Mixer236 I still wish they would have just found a way to stick an HDD in there(or at least a substantial amount of flash memory) and maybe upped the price $20-$50. I'd rather have payed $350 for the 3G and have a 120GB memory upgrade than pay $300 and then an extra $99 for only a 32GB card.

I don't mind them skipping over internal memory, I like the idea of being able to get more cards, so that I might swap between them. In theory anyway, I've yet to do that.

Memory cards are mostly good. What's bad, is Sony doesn't bundle memory cards with EVERY Vita (I did get 4GB in the First Edition Bundle, not large enough though). And the price of their memory cards. Memory is cheap now; like a dollar a GB. Going proprietary was a bad move, Memory Sticks worked fine.

Originally Posted by Booyakz Agreed, Uncharted did use it well, in that case it improved gameplay (it did have less welcome additions with the front touch, like rowing and chopping through cloth and bamboo). Making tracks in Modnation was probably the best use I've experienced, marked improvement over PS3 there. It's being sorted out, LBP shows the devs are making progress, they understand now.

Oh dear God, those touch prompts on the front screen were so awful. I died a few times because of them, and once I was only a few kills away from the "Kill x amount of people without dying" trophy. So frustrating. Another thing I really liked in Uncharted was the Intu-Aim. That was great. Line up your shot with analog stick, tweak with gyro control, and boom, easy headshots. Very useful for getting out of a tight jam and dispatching a large wave of enemies quickly. I wish they'd do this on PS3, and I wish all shooters on Vita used this.

Originally Posted by Booyakz I don't mind them skipping over internal memory, I like the idea of being able to get more cards, so that I might swap between them. In theory anyway, I've yet to do that. Memory cards are mostly good. What's bad, is Sony doesn't bundle memory cards with EVERY Vita (I did get 4GB in the First Edition Bundle, not large enough though). And the price of their memory cards. Memory is cheap now; like a dollar a GB. Going proprietary was a bad move, Memory Sticks worked fine.

I get that, memory cards can always be upgraded too. I just would rather not ever have to deal with them, as my 32GB is already half full and with Plus for Vita starting soon, I'm sure I'll have to be deleting things soon enough. I'd also be fine if they made a 80-100GB card, but who knows how much they'd wind up charging for such a card. The proprietary format was most definitely an unwise and unneeded choice.

Well, that can't possibly work on 360, but SixAxis may finally have some use. Shooting arrows with Kai in Heavenly Sword, was awesome, IMO. This improves that idea.

And I doubt this'll ever get fixed, just factor it in to the cost of the system. I'm willing to bet they'll start bundling them soon, the price is unlikely to drop, but sticking more junk in the box? Sony loves that idea...

Originally Posted by Booyakz Well, that can't possibly work on 360, but SixAxis may finally have some use. Shooting arrows with Kai in Heavenly Sword, was awesome, IMO. This improves that idea. And I doubt this'll ever get fixed, just factor it in to the cost of the system. I'm willing to bet they'll start bundling them soon, the price is unlikely to drop, but sticking more junk in the box? Sony loves that idea...

Yes, I enjoyed those parts in HS as well, and props for giving that game a mention. To this day that game does not get the recognition it deserves(I still want a sequel!).

Y'know, I'm not sure why Sony does that... I'm pretty sure that price dropping consoles will move more of them any day of the week over throwing extra games/movies/etc. in the box. I mean, take the new PS3 for example. It's way more cost efficient for them, I imagine it's much more easy to produce, yet they don't drop the price. Instead they throw in some voucher codes & Uncharted 3. I would have much rather just bought another bare-bones system for $200 rather than getting the "Over $70 added value" of stuff thrown in.

i would wait.

i bought it and the only game ive been playing on it is mortal kombat. im an MK addict so a ps vita is worth it to me. it gives the same competitive gameplay experience as the console counterpart (if you use dpad on the consoles, you can transfer your skills and techniques to the vita version).

in terms of the other games on the vita, theyre really average to me.

Assassins creed is an average game, unless youre a fan of the story. the game's mechanics feel gimmicky. like if you can take out 10 guys at the same time without getting scratched, whats the point of being stealthy?

dont know about call of duty but it looks ok. i would buy it if it gets a lot of praise though.

if you just want casual gaming on the go, get a 3ds instead imo. i like competition, and so far the announced ps vita games seem like competitive games on the go. whether theyre good or not, you will have to wait for reviews. if you're really on the fence, then wait for black friday. by then, the big titles will be released already.

Originally Posted by Mixer236 Yes, I enjoyed those parts in HS as well, and props for giving that game a mention. To this day that game does not get the recognition it deserves(I still want a sequel!). Y'know, I'm not sure why Sony does that... I'm pretty sure that price dropping consoles will move more of them any day of the week over throwing extra games/movies/etc. in the box. I mean, take the new PS3 for example. It's way more cost efficient for them, I imagine it's much more easy to produce, yet they don't drop the price. Instead they throw in some voucher codes & Uncharted 3. I would have much rather just bought another bare-bones system for $200 rather than getting the "Over $70 added value" of stuff thrown in.

YES. We are NEVER going to get one though. =( And it's probably the best new IP Sony's had this generation (other than Uncharted). Bloody shame.

Exactly this. Sony just doesn't see it that way. Nor does Nintendo, really. They dropped the Wii's price by $20, and tossed Wii Sports Resort in the box. If they'd held the game, and lowered the price further ($99.99 is ideal), they'd move more consoles. Sony doesn't get it. This is why they're being throttled by Microsoft.

Originally Posted by giantqtipz i would wait. i bought it and the only game ive been playing on it is mortal kombat. im an MK addict so a ps vita is worth it to me. it gives the same competitive gameplay experience as the console counterpart (if you use dpad on the consoles, you can transfer your skills and techniques to the vita version). in terms of the other games on the vita, theyre really average to me. Assassins creed is an average game, unless youre a fan of the story. the game's mechanics feel gimmicky. like if you can take out 10 guys at the same time without getting scratched, whats the point of being stealthy? dont know about call of duty but it looks ok. i would buy it if it gets a lot of praise though. if you just want casual gaming on the go, get a 3ds instead imo. i like competition, and so far the announced ps vita games seem like competitive games on the go. whether theyre good or not, you will have to wait for reviews. if you're really on the fence, then wait for black friday. by then, the big titles will be released already.

I agree with what you're saying, but the reviews of Liberation all seemed to say the story sucked. =S Not so?

I don't believe 3DS gaming = casual gaming. It has many casual games, but definitely caters to the hardcore as well.

The Vita is great in terms of specs; has unique features and has some alright games...the problem? It's too expensive, you have to buy a memory and not many people adopted it. And for me other people having the same system as me makes me want to play it more; as it allows for co-op, online etc etc. When not many people do, what's the point? I think Sony once again screwed the pooch with this handheld, I don't know why they bothered again this gen, looking at their recent quarter should give you an indication. If you are deadset on it, wait till it drops to 150.

Originally Posted by Booyakz YES. We are NEVER going to get one though. =( And it's probably the best new IP Sony's had this generation (other than Uncharted). Bloody shame. Exactly this. Sony just doesn't see it that way. Nor does Nintendo, really. They dropped the Wii's price by $20, and tossed Wii Sports Resort in the box. If they'd held the game, and lowered the price further ($99.99 is ideal), they'd move more consoles. Sony doesn't get it. This is why they're being throttled by Microsoft.

AS much as I'm not a fan of Microsoft, they're the only ones that do this right. Another thing Sony does that annoys the heck out of me is expanding the size of the HDD instead of giving the console a price drop. You can find 5GB 360's for $150. Sony's approach is to keep the same price they've had for a couple of years and throw in a 320GB HDD. I mean, that's nice and all, but the average gamer doesn't need that much space and I can guarantee you that they really don't care.

At the very least Sony should (re)release a 20GB PS3 for $189.99. They'd effectively have the cheapest HD console on the market as far as MSRP is concerned, and they'd have the WiiU undercut by over $100. They'd then be putting the pressure on both Nintendo & Microsoft with their pricing and be able to taut all of the pluses of buying a PS3. I have no idea why they don't just do this. I mean, they don't care about selling Vita's with no storage space to think of for a (somewhat) budget price, why not the PS3? Makes sense to me.

Yeah the Vita is a great system, since you're interested in it and Assassin's Creed I'd recommend getting the AC Liberation PS Vita bundle since that comes with the game and a memory card.

And if you have PS Plus or are thinking about getting it, those services will be made available to PS Vita this month as well(instant game collection on Vita coming soon).

Originally Posted by Mixer236 AS much as I'm not a fan of Microsoft, they're the only ones that do this right. Another thing Sony does that annoys the heck out of me is expanding the size of the HDD instead of giving the console a price drop. You can find 5GB 360's for $150. Sony's approach is to keep the same price they've had for a couple of years and throw in a 320GB HDD. I mean, that's nice and all, but the average gamer doesn't need that much space and I can guarantee you that they really don't care. At the very least Sony should (re)release a 20GB PS3 for $189.99. They'd effectively have the cheapest HD console on the market as far as MSRP is concerned, and they'd have the WiiU undercut by over $100. They'd then be putting the pressure on both Nintendo & Microsoft with their pricing and be able to taut all of the pluses of buying a PS3. I have no idea why they don't just do this. I mean, they don't care about selling Vita's with no storage space to think of for a (somewhat) budget price, why not the PS3? Makes sense to me.

I've personally felt that Sony has been out of touch with the gaming market (in North America at least) for so many years. There are dozens of things that they do or don't do that absolutely boggles my mind. Currently my biggest pet peeve with my PS3 is the lack of automatic system updates. I can't run Netflix until I update my firmware, but rather than prompt me to do so automatically, I have to quit Netflix, search through a convoluted settings list, update my firmware slowly, and relaunch it. I know it's a minor gripe, but that's my overall problem with Sony gaming devices. They are great for the big picture, but fall apart on so many small details.

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Originally Posted by Wikkidkarma I've personally felt that Sony has been out of touch with the gaming market (in North America at least) for so many years. There are dozens of things that they do or don't do that absolutely boggles my mind. Currently my biggest pet peeve with my PS3 is the lack of automatic system updates. I can't run Netflix until I update my firmware, but rather than prompt me to do so automatically, I have to quit Netflix, search through a convoluted settings list, update my firmware slowly, and relaunch it. I know it's a minor gripe, but that's my overall problem with Sony gaming devices. They are great for the big picture, but fall apart on so many small details.

I have high hopes for the future in regards to this with what they've done with Plus lately... Maybe they'll have that all figured out by the next console launch, though this is an issue that hasn't bothered me too much. A lot of people hate it do hate it, though.

until they find a way to disable the touchscreen feature id say no