I wish conservatives would just be honest and admit that they're really anarchists, that they'd love nothing more than have a nation where everyone's survival is up to them and it's basically survival of the fittest. Guns, ammo, and stay the off mah property!!!

Here we thought that the nation would end up like it did in Idiocracy, when it's Mad Max we're really looking at.

How about the federal government just handling the duties specifically laid out to it in the Constitution? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=wWkUaJId7pM#
Good stuff, Temporaryscars,....actually very scary.

The constitution, the only thing more infallible than the founders themselves.

Originally Posted by Clak I wish conservatives would just be honest and admit that they're really anarchists, that they'd love nothing more than have a nation where everyone's survival is up to them and it's basically survival of the fittest. Guns, ammo, and stay the off mah property!!! Here we thought that the nation would end up like it did in Idiocracy, when it's Mad Max we're really looking at.

Oh, I think "Tank Girl" is more likely.

Originally Posted by Clak The constitution, the only thing more infallible than the founders themselves.

The founders would shit themselves if they saw the world today. While the Constitution is a great framework for our government to pretend like it answers all our problems today is simplistic. In fact, I think the founders would wonder why we have expanded our military into the vast imperialistic entity it is today. The founders would also wonder why blacks were free and women could vote.

It's amazing how people cherry pick sections of the Constitution for their own political gain. Blatantly deny obvious constitutional support for something like gay marriage, but never, EVER let your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment be debated...

Originally Posted by mykevermin While I can't be arsed to find someone who says they wish for *themselves* to be poor so they can take advantage of government aid, the very notion of disdain for government aid is that it creates the "entitlement culture" (a branded and approved political phrase used by the right) and "dependency" - that is, that government aid makes people lethargic, comfortable, and unmotivated to do anything but continue to access more government aid - there's no way you would dare deny that this is a favorite argument of the right. You shouldn't demand proof of something so self-evident, unless you also demand proof of, say, a Republican seeking to propose tax cuts. That's the threshold for how obvious what you're demanding is. 1:20 on in this video, darlin: "poverty trap, a creater and reinforcer of dependency." That's the argument camoor is making. Welfare makes people lazy, comfortable, and unwilling to work. See also: Mitt Romney's "free gifts" rationale from this past week's conference call as to how Obama won the presidential election two weeks ago. Such "man, the poor are indeed so comfortable" rhetoric among the right is more prominent in the Republican party than being white is at this point.

Originally Posted by cancerman1120 The founders would shit themselves if they saw the world today. While the Constitution is a great framework for our government to pretend like it answers all our problems today is simplistic. In fact, I think the founders would wonder why we have expanded our military into the vast imperialistic entity it is today. The founders would also wonder why blacks were free and women could vote.

Meh, I don't think they would be all that surprised. They made the constitution into a living document, with amendments right off the bat, for a reason.

Besides they were educated men, and hence were more progressive them ppl give them credit for.

As for the military, checkout what happened during the First Barbary War. The founders weren't babes in the woods when it came to foreign policy.

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Originally Posted by Clak I wish conservatives would just be honest and admit that they're really anarchists, that they'd love nothing more than have a nation where everyone's survival is up to them and it's basically survival of the fittest. Guns, ammo, and stay the off mah property!!! Here we thought that the nation would end up like it did in Idiocracy, when it's Mad Max we're really looking at.

Not anarchists - most of them are theocratic corporatists. It's only the conservative libertarians of America that are more accurately described as anarcho-capitalists.

Right. They want to be rich, they want to be worshiped by the Plebians, and they want the government to make sure conditions are ripe for that to happen.

Well, I guess I'm out then. If that is really what you guys think then I'm sure there's no room for discussion.

Now if only there were a way to make tapatalk ignore Vs completely...

Don't let the door hit you.

I wrote a coherent and lengthy reply to your "derp, don't you think there are people who are too lazy to get off welfare, derp" post, and you didn't have shit to say in response.

Now that I call you out as being a plutocrat bootlicker, you want to cry and leave? Be my guest, it was evident you duck and hide any discussion of substance in the first place.

Originally Posted by camoor Not anarchists - most of them are theocratic corporatists. It's only the conservative libertarians of America that are more accurately described as anarcho-capitalists.

I see it as this, those with power and wealth within the conservative movement, they're the corporatists, many of them either working for the corporations or owning them themselves. Then you have the what I'll call the redneck conservatives. The guys who are buying ammo by the case and clearing out gun stores of anything that fires a projectile. These are the anarchists, these are the folks who would prefer the nation to be some sort of chaotic, live by the gun type world. Where those in power are the ones who have the most land and weaponry, and the only currency is gold and silver. It'd be like a nation run by a bunch of hillbilly gangsters.

Yeah, it's basically the fiscal/social conservative divide you're talking about. With the redneck conservative branch just being the extreme end of the social conservative segment.

Originally Posted by yourlefthand Well, I guess I'm out then. If that is really what you guys think then I'm sure there's no room for discussion. Now if only there were a way to make tapatalk ignore Vs completely...

We'll be waiting for round 3.

Originally Posted by dohdough We'll be waiting for round 3.

haha, I was thinking the same thing when I read that, "haven't we heard this before from him?"

Originally Posted by detectiveconan16 Yes, just as eating fried chicken is supposed to be an assault on gay marriage, eating ed up pizza is good enough to show your hate for health care. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...n-kay-melchior

get a double cheese pizza every day with no sauce and within a month you will have a heart attack

Originally Posted by Temporaryscars So do you think they should eat the extra cost or raise prices?

PPP had a question in their polling about raising prices (I think Papa John's said it would be thirty cents or so a pizza) and the response was overwhelmingly in favor of just adding the cost to the pizza.

Edit: Whoops, it was thirteen not thirty. Here's one response from their VA poll:

Q10 Would you pay 11 to 14 cents extra for a Papa
John's pizza to ensure that the company’s
employees have health care, or not?
Would pay more.............................................. 59%
Would not............................................... ......... 22%
Not sure .................................................. ........ 19%

Originally Posted by Syntax Error PPP had a question in their polling about raising prices (I think Papa John's said it would be thirty cents or so a pizza) and the response was overwhelmingly in favor of just adding the cost to the pizza.

He said it was 13 to 14 cents, but someone crunched the numbers and it was actually closer to 4.5 cents.

I'd 100% support prices on everything I buy going up if its due to offering workers more access to health insurance and other benefits, better wages etc.

I already do so by buying toiletries etc at Target rather than Walmart, supporting local shops when possible etc.