Originally Posted by Spokker You would bang this? http://i.imgur.com/hNAt4.jpg No, you would bang her when she is getting back in shape for a reboot of some shit show that will coast on nostalgia. And I say this as a guy who masturbated to her photos when I was 14. I liked her too but let's not ignore the facts if we're going to actually have an honest guy conversation over some actress.

Hard, and several times!

Originally Posted by Spokker You would bang this? http://i.imgur.com/hNAt4.jpg No, you would bang her when she is getting back in shape for a reboot of some shit show that will coast on nostalgia. And I say this as a guy who masturbated to her photos when I was 14. I liked her too but let's not ignore the facts if we're going to actually have an honest guy conversation over some actress.

Please post a picture of your ugly girlfriend so we can all judge you please.

I personally don't think she is fat, she isn't what she was but she is still nice. Even if she was ugly I still might hit it just so I could say I Mr. Matthews'd that.

Originally Posted by Tsel Sorry we don't all have false misrepresentations of what women are supposed to look like. How shallow and ignorant can you be? "Oh hurr durr, her BMI says she's overweight, gross!" Grow up and learn to appreciate a woman regardless of whether or not she meets your unrealistic expectations.

She's not going to be put on TV in a primary role if she is overweight unless she had any other redeeming qualities, like a singing voice (Adelle) or a comedic mind (Roseanne). That's a fact. People generally want to see attractive people on television, even other women. They make shows about hunky doctors who have affairs with other hot doctors. Most doctors I've seen don't look like that. They also don't make shows that focus on fat girls who work at the DMV. Until that changes my views are completely mainstream and true, though people don't often say it this bluntly.

but I'm not the type of guy who's going to rule out a woman just because she's overweight.

This will depend on the amount of money, fame and success you have earned in life. Will Smith and others in his class didn't marry a fatty.

What does it even matter when you see what she looks like now, anyway?

Because once the show is over, she'll likely get fat again. Her weight is a factor in whether the show does well and also determines how successful her career is if she's simply going to be an actress who reads lines others have written. Is she a writer? Is she a comedian? Can she sing? Is she okay with playing the hyper-sexed fat black woman because that's funny (Parks & Recreation)? No? Then she's going to have to get by on her looks like most actresses. If she cannot maintain that, then she doesn't get on TV.

Originally Posted by musha666 Please post a picture of your ugly girlfriend so we can all judge you please.

She doesn't seek that kind of attention. She doesn't participate in the entertainment industry. Who we are talking about in this thread is someone who puts themselves out there in an industry where good looks and fit physique generates success. It only follows that bad looks and unfit physique generates failure, unless there are other redeeming qualities that I've talked about earlier.

Who is the most successful? People like Jennifer Aniston, who still looks amazing as an aging actress because she keeps herself fit. Jennifer Aniston doesn't write scripts. She isn't funny on her own. She is a bore in interviews. She doesn't produce save for a few small projects. She doesn't direct except for a couple small projects. She doesn't have an idea in her head. But people like her because she is cute, likable and easy on the eyes.

Sorry, of the top paid TV actresses for 2012, only one is overweight. When it comes to the most successful women in Hollywood, age doesn't seem to matter, but weight really does matter.

...And yet, through all that, one of the most successful women in entertainment of all time was one of the people you cited as a "fat" earlier, Oprah. Success=/=thin

Originally Posted by RedvsBlue ...And yet, through all that, one of the most successful women in entertainment of all time was one of the people you cited as a "fat" earlier, Oprah. Success=/=thin

I never said that success = thin. I said that success as a Hollywood actress = thin, generally speaking.

Oprah is not an actress who needs to get by on her looks. She's a talk show host. She has ideas. She is producer/owner/emperor of her empire. She wasn't hired to play a role. She created her role in television. In fact, the smartest thing she did was making sure she owned her own show. It was Roger Ebert who convinced her to syndicate instead of going with a network.

It's the same thing with Rosie O'Donnell, who had a little empire going herself. These women could talk. They could be interesting to their target demographic. They thought of the words they were going to say and many people, mostly women, felt that what they had to say was worthwhile. Having said that, daytime TV is a lot different from prime time television or Hollywood movies.

Roseanne is an excellent example for prime time, though. Nobody was hiring fat women to be the focal point of some white trash comedy show. Even today, they generally do not. Roseanne created that show because she knew that if she was going to be successful, nobody was going to give her that success, so she did it herself. You know how you can really see the difference between someone like Roseanne or Oprah and actresses?

Roseanne:

Writer (15 titles) Roseanne (TV series) – Into That Good Night: Part 1 (1997) (character / as Roseanne / story / as Roseanne) – Into That Good Night: Part 2 (1997) (character / as Roseanne / writer / as Roseanne) – Arsenic and Old Mom (1997) (character / as Roseanne) – The Truth Be Told (1997) (character / as Roseanne) – Roseanne-Feld (1997) (character / as Roseanne) See all 220 episodes »

Oprah:

Producer (29 titles)

Fishel: No writing, directing or producing credits.

I don't know if Danielle Fishel has a thought in her head. She is an actress who was hired to speak dumb lines that weren't even that great to begin with. I watched Boy Meets World when I was a kid but I would never watch it now for anything other than to revisit a memory.

Originally Posted by Spokker She doesn't seek that kind of attention. She doesn't participate in the entertainment industry. Who we are talking about in this thread is someone who puts themselves out there in an industry where good looks and fit physique generates success. It only follows that bad looks and unfit physique generates failure, unless there are other redeeming qualities that I've talked about earlier.

Except nobody was arguing that she is a beautiful actress who has a successful career. It was that she is an attractive woman despite her being larger (depending on the time/picture). You come in posting pictures saying "would you bang her?" which has nothing to do with her as an actress or industry shes in, its "i think shes fat and thus not bangable". if you posted a video of her as an airhead or doin something stupid you would have a better argument. but yours boils down to fat people dont deserve lovin because fat is hideous.

Originally Posted by 4thHorseman but yours boils down to fat people dont deserve lovin because fat is hideous.

Thin women are in higher demand than fat women when it comes to romance. When something has a higher demand it will cost more to procure it. Therefore, generally speaking, in order to be with a more attractive than average woman, you will need to secure a higher than average income. You may not like this. You may find this objectionable, but it is the truth. There are certainly exceptions to the rule, and these exceptions are pointed out, such as the relationship between Pierce Brosnan and Keely Shaye Smith. Why is it pointed out? Because it is contrary to what we usually expect.

I don't know what people deserve or not observe. All I can tell you is how it actually works in real life.

And there are certainly fat fetishes and racial stereotypes, but I think the idea that black men like BBWs is one stereotype that is overblown.

Originally Posted by Spokker When it comes to the most successful women in Hollywood, age doesn't seem to matter, but weight really does matter.

Originally Posted by Spokker I never said that success = thin. I said that success as a Hollywood actress = thin, generally speaking.

That's some mighty thin hairs you be splittin'

Originally Posted by RedvsBlue That's some mighty thin hairs you be splittin'

Originally Posted by Spokker Sorry, of the top paid TV actresses for 2012, only one is overweight. When it comes to the most successful women in Hollywood, age doesn't seem to matter, but weight really does matter.

The same is also true of movie actresses. http://www.the-movie-times.com/thrsd...v?actress+ByTG

Kathy Bates is an exception but she has to act her fat ass off, and she was not the focal point of most of the movies she starred in (Titantic is a big reason why she's on that list but she was only a side character). And Whoopi Goldberg is a comedian. The fact of the matter is, with over half of the country overweight or obese, it is not the case that over half of the most successful actresses in TV and movies are not overweight or obese. America has chosen what they want to see and we don't want to see ourselves.

Topanga isn't currently on television right now, yet she's maintained a healthy weight. Therefore, your logic is not only incredibly shallow and close-minded, but extremely flawed.

I also find it funny how you say something and then list a ton of exceptions that ultimately contradict what you said in the first place. Something's not true if you can continue to list exceptions for it. You can't be successful in Hollywood if you're overweight unless you're Oprah, Rosie O'Donnell, Roseanne, Kathy Bates, etc etc etc. Do you not even realize what you're saying? What you're trying to say is that weight is directly relative to a woman's success in the world of acting. Just because the top paid TV and movie actresses are short on overweight woman does not mean a damn thing. You can't immediately jump to the conclusion that overweight women aren't successful just because of that list. That list means nothing, especially when it only outlines a certain amount of people. I don't think you actually know how it works in real-life. You have such a twisted outlook on how things work that I'm surprised you actually know how to hold yourself in an argument. If anything, it's people like YOU that have made this country the way YOU see it. Yes, we do tend to be more attracted to thin women, but it's people like you that have made this country the sad and close-minded place that it is. Grow up.

Originally Posted by Spokker This will depend on the amount of money, fame and success you have earned in life. Will Smith and others in his class didn't marry a fatty.

No, it won't. I don't discriminate based on weight because I'm not a shallow person. I don't have a ton of money and I'm definitely not famous, but I've never once turned down a woman because she was overweight. I judge people based on the content of their character. Looks are an added bonus.

Because once the show is over, she'll likely get fat again. Her weight is a factor in whether the show does well and also determines how successful her career is if she's simply going to be an actress who reads lines others have written. Is she a writer? Is she a comedian? Can she sing? Is she okay with playing the hyper-sexed fat black woman because that's funny (Parks & Recreation)? No? Then she's going to have to get by on her looks like most actresses. If she cannot maintain that, then she doesn't get on TV.

Didn't you say she was fat in the show? I think we can all agree that she definitely gained weight towards the latter part of the series, yet the show was successful. The moment she gained weight, the producers didn't all sit down and say "We have to cancel the show. Topanga's overweight." Thus, your logic is once again flawed.

Who is the most successful? People like Jennifer Aniston, who still looks amazing as an aging actress because she keeps herself fit. Jennifer Aniston doesn't write scripts. She isn't funny on her own. She is a bore in interviews. She doesn't produce save for a few small projects. She doesn't direct except for a couple small projects. She doesn't have an idea in her head. But people like her because she is cute, likable and easy on the eyes.

You're attributing all of Jennifer Aniston's success to her looks, which is once again flawed. I'm sure her looks have gotten her a ton of coverage and press over the years, but to be honest, she wasn't as attractive back in the day and yet she still landed a big role on a very popular TV show. You don't think the casting crew couldn't have found someone even more attractive? They obviously chose Jennifer Aniston because she had something about her that others did not and I don't think it was based purely on looks. You may personally not find her funny, but I and many others probably do. She is cute and easy on the eyes and you even said likable. She'd still be likable if she wasn't the former as well because that has to do with personality. Likability is not completely reliant on one's looks like you think it is. It helps, but it's not all about looks.

This thread FULLY delivered. Thin Topanga HAWT. Chubby Topanga...not so much. Somebody nominate the thread for some award because I'm serious. It's got pics, luls, sarcasm. A dude even has an animated gif of a goddamn cat. If that's not all-star worthy, I don't know what is.

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Originally Posted by berzirk Somebody nominate the thread for some award because I'm serious. It's got pics, luls, sarcasm. A dude even has an animated gif of a goddamn cat. If that's not all-star worthy, I don't know what is.

Ahahahah, I love this quote. Into the signature.

Spokker definitely is dating a fat chick that used to be skinny.

Originally Posted by perdition(troy Spokker definitely is dating a fat chick that used to be skinny.

Originally Posted by Josh1billion Ahahahah, I love this quote. Into the signature.

I thank you sir. Haa haa.

Originally Posted by RedvsBlue Spokker's posts in this thread reveal some serious issues in his attitude toward women. He posts as someone that holds a lot of anger against the other gender. Referring to her as "bitch" right off the bat only to continue on to his other criticisms are particularly revealing. I really do feel bad for anyone that can hold in that much anger for someone they don't even really know based on such trivial things. Personally, I think she's gorgeous. And while I wouldn't "bang her like a drum" I do find her to be attractive regardless of what her weight fluctuates to.

Dude hates himself, I think that's becoming pretty obvious.

Originally Posted by perdition(troy Spokker definitely is dating a fat chick that used to be skinny.

GOT DAMM

No mercy, Legion-of-Doom-type spike straight through the heart. I shouldn't laugh, but I did. Shah mat.

Originally Posted by perdition(troy Spokker definitely is dating a fat chick that used to be skinny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VZhSkREYBc

(what this thread doesn't have, but clearly needs)

Originally Posted by Spokker This will depend on the amount of money, fame and success you have earned in life. Will Smith and others in his class didn't marry a fatty.

How do you explain Pierce Brosnan's wife then?