Originally Posted by Chris in Cali I have to say for all the praise Nintendoland has gotten as being "the best launch game" it's easily my least favorite. I really don't like playing games that focus almost completely on the GamePad. I didn't buy a home console and 55" HDTV to play on a 480p poor contrast ratio screen in my controller. It's like why even have the TV on at that point? I much prefer ZombiU and NSMBU. ...

It seems like the primary focus of NintendoLand is to show people what their new system and gamepad are capable of. ZombiU is a little too violent for a pack-in game and NSMBU is a strong enough title that Nintendo can easily get away with selling it for an additional $60.

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Originally Posted by Rig My console just did this while playing the F-Zero game. A few seconds before I had hit the "camera" button on the touch screen. Had to pull the power cord to shut it down. :/

Same here. You can't even shut down the system you actually have to pull the plug from the wall to reboot the machine. Seriously thinking about taking mine back if Nintendo does not acknowledge the issue soon and at least say they are working on a resolution.

Doesn't seem like an overly common problems but there are definitely enough people experiencing it that they should at least say if its something that can be addressed with an update or if it should be returned/sent in for repairs.

I won't be opening my Wii U until Christmas, but I'm trying to study up..have you guys already discussed transferring Wii content to the Wii U? I have watched a few videos and read a few articles. My only thoughts are: I have a majority of WiiWare stuff on the SD card already in the Wii, should I transfer all this back to the console and essentially have a blank SD card? also, the Wii is upstairs, and Wii U will be downstairs, it doesn't look like they have to be next to each other, just both be on the internet..is this true? I don't mind running back and forth a few times..

thanks for the advice, I had to tuck the box in a storage bin in my guest room and shut the door so I don't think about it! I wanted to plug it up to at least test it and box it back up, but got denied by the 'boss of the house'!

edit: this also great that you can do this b/c my launch day Wii has $500 worth of WiiWare on it, but a bum disc drive that crashes every game after 30 mins of play time. Its been a paperweight, and been using a second system I got from my father. Nice to know that some of the original stuff can be salvaged :-)

Originally Posted by token2k6 I won't be opening my Wii U until Christmas, but I'm trying to study up..have you guys already discussed transferring Wii content to the Wii U? I have watched a few videos and read a few articles. My only thoughts are: I have a majority of WiiWare stuff on the SD card already in the Wii, should I transfer all this back to the console and essentially have a blank SD card? also, the Wii is upstairs, and Wii U will be downstairs, it doesn't look like they have to be next to each other, just both be on the internet..is this true? I don't mind running back and forth a few times.. thanks for the advice, I had to tuck the box in a storage bin in my guest room and shut the door so I don't think about it! I wanted to plug it up to at least test it and box it back up, but got denied by the 'boss of the house'! edit: this also great that you can do this b/c my launch day Wii has $500 worth of WiiWare on it, but a bum disc drive that crashes every game after 30 mins of play time. Its been a paperweight, and been using a second system I got from my father. Nice to know that some of the original stuff can be salvaged :-)

You won't have to run back and forth, you just prep the SD card on the Wii U, move it over to the Wii, and then once the data has been dumped to the card you walk back to the Wii U and put the card in there and it transfers the data.

Anybody have some good suggestions for external storage? I'm not looking for a giant 1TB HDD or anything like that, but something much smaller. Will a regular old USB Stick work? I don't have a ton of space for a HDD drive, so I was just looking at a USB stick to have plugged in at all times. Thanks.

I gotta say, now that the MiiVerse is open, it's really entertaining to see the comments and drawings peope are making. I spent an hour last night just browsing the different communities!

They don't recommend flash drives because of "flash media having a limited number of writes", but I don't think they actually stop you from using them. I find their concern about the "limited writes" sort of odd, though, seeing how the internal storage is flash. ???

So how does this TV remote feature work exactly? So I have a DirecTV box plugged into a HDMI port.

Do I need to actually switch to the box's on the TV to watch tv, or is it handled directly through the Wii-U?

I don't think I will see much use of the Wii-U controller as a remote unless I don't have to switch to my DirecTv box.

Originally Posted by crunchewy They don't recommend flash drives because of "flash media having a limited number of writes", but I don't think they actually stop you from using them. I find their concern about the "limited writes" sort of odd, though, seeing how the internal storage is flash. ???

We will need to get someone in here who knows more than me (there were two IT guys a few pages back, Lyth and someone else, my apologies for not remembering), but I'm unsure if flash and solid state drives are 100% the same thing. The Wii's internal memory was flash as far as I know, and I don't think anyone had a problem with that.

I know I've heard about a max number of read/write cycles available for solid state drives, but I seem to recall that there has been software advancements to getting past this, and that it's not so much an issue these days. But again, someone who knows more than me will have to confirm that.

USB drives definitely have a built in limit, and I suspect Nintendo is more or less covering their ass about the whole thing.

The thing is that even if the writes stop working, the reads will not. So you aren't going to lose any data. Well, you won't as long as Nintendo comes through with a way to copy between devices. Right now you can't. But I suppose you could copy to internal memory, then to another device, so maybe you already can as long as you have enough storage space internally to do the transfer.

Originally Posted by crunchewy The thing is that even if the writes stop working, the reads will not. So you aren't going to lose any data. Well, you won't as long as Nintendo comes through with a way to copy between devices. Right now you can't. But I suppose you could copy to internal memory, then to another device, so maybe you already can as long as you have enough storage space internally to do the transfer.

Write endurance was a concern 8 years ago. They're just generating copy to cite in case a user does something stupid and hooks up some antiquated POS, loses data somehow, and bitches "ALL MY DATAZ" to Nintendo.

The fact that they allow USB flash is what's important. Good on 'em.

Also, if you were to actually reach the write limit (very hard to believe), there's nothing preventing you from getting a new drive and reading data from old, writing it to new, and picking up where you left off. But on modern flash storage, you aren't gonna reach that limit.

Originally Posted by Strell We will need to get someone in here who knows more than me (there were two IT guys a few pages back, Lyth and someone else, my apologies for not remembering), but I'm unsure if flash and solid state drives are 100% the same thing. The Wii's internal memory was flash as far as I know, and I don't think anyone had a problem with that.

The concern for write limits are primarily in environments where data is constantly being updated and written to the drive. I've often heard people suggesting that you not defrag a SSD on a regular basis because that can result in a lot of writes to the drive. On the Wii U it isn't as much of a concern because you're primarily using the flash storage to manage tiny game save files or rarely installing a downloaded game.

Also, the Wii U probably has some hardware measures set to ensure that whenever you overwrite a save file it is not always written to the exact same location. That would evenly distribute the wear-and-tear over the product's lifespan.

... at least that's my understanding of things. As Strell mentioned, maybe a tech person can shed a bit more light on the topic.

After a few days, my only complaint so far is how slow apps are to open. Takes far too long to multi-task which I guess won't be much of a problem for normal use but I still wish it were a bit snappier.

I do, however, greatly enjoy that I can turn it on and navigate without the gamepad/touch/pointer and just use the Wiimote buttons.

Overall, very happy so far and excited to see where the OS/software goes in the coming months/years

Originally Posted by Thrinn Also, the Wii U probably has some hardware measures set to ensure that whenever you overwrite a save file it is not always written to the exact same location. That would evenly distribute the wear-and-tear over the product's lifespan.

I wouldn't count on that to be true. For all we know, Nintendo didn't implement it because they didn't want to pay for a license. It's also not true if the drive is close to full.

It's typically bad to use flash as a cache.

Lastly, once the flash is unwritable, I don't think you can read it either.

Originally Posted by Lyth Alright. What about free games?

Nope, no free games yet, either. The demo for Rayman Legends was supposed to be out at launch but I haven't seen any news of it yet. I want to try running a game off a USB thumb drive since Nintendo doesn't suggest it, but also doesn't say that it won't work. However, I'm not going to pay 59.99 for a download only, launch title. I really want to play ZombiU but I'll wait for it to come from Gamefly.

For those looking for an AC powered USB Hard Drive, here's one on Amazon for $78
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Canvio...iba+canvio+1tb

Although I'm probably going to just make my own with this $20 enclosure
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182180
and pop in a spare hard drive that's been sitting around

Put on a new 500GB HDD single USB 3 type last night and tried to format it. It took forever setting at the checking screen and then shut off. I am wondering if it will ever work? Its a new slim Seagate drive.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Seagate+...specifications

Originally Posted by BREVITY Put on a new 500GB HDD single USB 3 type last night and tried to format it. It took forever setting at the checking screen and then shut off. I am wondering if it will ever work? Its a new slim Seagate drive. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Seagate+...specifications

Is that drive USB powered or AC adapter powered? Nintendo recommends( requires?) that the drive be externally powered
http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/sys...sb_storage.jsp

There's a 32 GB flash drive that has good reviews at newegg that is part of the BF deals and live now. $15. Supposed to be a pretty fast drive too. That will double your storage (or more) right there.

This one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...20313090-L013A

coupon code: EMCJJHN43

Its not externally powered but though the recommend that I didnt think it would mean that it wouldnt work at all.


Also I got the Turtle Beach N11 headset for the system. Having owned many gaming headsets from Turtle Beach and others I got to say these feel like crap. Their construction is not all that good at all. They sound fine but just about any headset with an inline mic works fine with these. I think I am going to return them.