I don't know how long they plan to run this bundle (the PS+ and Vita) but the box art has the games already available as part of the instant collection listed. So, I'd assume these games are going to be around for quite awhile.

Originally Posted by captaintek3304 I know it's not the best place for this, but has anyone seen this new Vita bundle? - 3G Vita - 1 Year PS Plus - Unit 13 Game Voucher - 4GB Memory Card $299.99 The big focus here is that with the year of Plus, you can get so many games! But...they only give you a 4GB card. How did anyone at the Sony offices think this was a good move? With a 4GB card, you can have at most one of those games at a time. Terrible terrible decision in my eyes.

I guess 199 is asking too much of them (?), but that seems like the more appropriate price.

Originally Posted by captaintek3304 My point, along the same thinking with everyone else is that these memory cards are horribly over-priced. They get a ton of criticism for how they've handled the Vita so far, and then they continue to do things like this. I love Sony, my PS3, and my Vita to death, but to me it seems like they're the only of the 3 major companies that refuses to adapt to what consumers want.

I agree, as a PR move, it's not great. Proprietary memory cards in general are a proverbial kick in the teeth when flash memory has become so affordable to attain.

That being said, as an owner of a PS3, Vita, 360, Windows Phone, Wii (not WiiU), and an old phat-DS, I personally feel like Sony is doing the best job at adapting to consumers wants, and are quite a ways ahead of both Microsoft and Nintendo. One good example would be PS+ vs. Xbox Live Gold. Another would be the openness of the PS Blog vs. Major Nelson's blog, where we get basically 0 response from Microsoft.

Originally Posted by tylerh1701 I agree, as a PR move, it's not great. Proprietary memory cards in general are a proverbial kick in the teeth when flash memory has become so affordable to attain. That being said, as an owner of a PS3, Vita, 360, Windows Phone, Wii (not WiiU), and an old phat-DS, I personally feel like Sony is doing the best job at adapting to consumers wants, and are quite a ways ahead of both Microsoft and Nintendo. One good example would be PS+ vs. Xbox Live Gold. Another would be the openness of the PS Blog vs. Major Nelson's blog, where we get basically 0 response from Microsoft.

The difference is that PS+ has no effect on my ability to play games over a stable connection. If Sony could offer that to me I'd gladly kick in a little extra on top of the PS+ charge. I'd love to only have to pay for one or the other. The problem is getting online with my PS3 friends is still rough and MUCH more cumbersome than on XBL.

i bit the bullet and got the $80 32gig no tax no shipping card on amazon.
i just dont want to deal with the hassle with flipping those tiny cards in and out. i almost got another 4gig for $10 amazon lightning deal but thought nope.

I got a 2nd 4GB with my Starter Kit, so I'm gonna play the switch game for now. Got WipeOut and Gravity Rush on one, then PSASBR, Motorstorm RC, and a few smaller games on the other one. So between the two I've got about 7 or 8 games to play at any time, I think that will be enough for me, for now.

Originally Posted by tylerh1701 I think Sony is really raking in the dough on the memory cards. I mean, there has to be about a 90% markup on those 32GB cards. It's probably a smart business move to barely see any profit on this bundle, knowing they'll probably see an extra $40-$70 profit for each one of these that sells when the buyer breaks down and buys a memory card.

To sell memory cards you have to sell systems. Part of the reason Sony cant sell systems is because no one wants to buy a $100 memory card. If they just would have at the very least given a 16gb card with the system (or built in memory)then maybe, just maybe people would be interested in a $250 system. As it is though the Vita is a $350 system with $100 of that cost being snuck in after the fact.

Memory Pro Duo was a complete crock as well. My guess is some suit at corporate had a powerpoint that said the Playstation Division needs to support and be better integrated with the memory storage division for better "corporate synergy." ;-) If they allowed Vita to use standard MicroSD, they'd maybe sell a whole lot more hardware. The "razor blade" business best practice is hardwired into many execs.

But IMO, proprietary memory formats make baby jesus cry.

Originally Posted by captaintek3304 I know it's not the best place for this, but has anyone seen this new Vita bundle? - 3G Vita - 1 Year PS Plus - Unit 13 Game Voucher - 4GB Memory Card $299.99 The big focus here is that with the year of Plus, you can get so many games! But...they only give you a 4GB card. How did anyone at the Sony offices think this was a good move? With a 4GB card, you can have at most one of those games at a time. Terrible terrible decision in my eyes.

I know. My walmart still has the 3g launch bundle which was the only one so far with an 8gb card. But I imagine the year of PS+ trumps 4gig more of memory. I dread the game juggling every time I want to play something off PS+ though. And no way I'm buying the games I want digitally with memory at such a premium.

Originally Posted by wtsutton Has anybody downloaded PS All Stars from the PSN? Does the DD come with a code for the Vita version or is that just physical copies? Also...any opinions on the game from CAGs who have played it? I'm trying to decide what to do with the last of my GS credit.

Lots of impressions in the PS3 thread for the game:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=320182

I personally have enjoyed what I've played. Similar enough to its inspirations to be accessible but different enough to stand on its own. Characters all have very different movesets yet manage to feel balanced. Decent amount of depth to he combat and the way you get kills/points (only via super moves) makes you play offensively and discourages holing up or turtling. Lots of content, unlockables too.

And for what its worth, I was skeptical and hated the beta, but the full game changed my mind.

Originally Posted by Woocls The difference is that PS+ has no effect on my ability to play games over a stable connection. If Sony could offer that to me I'd gladly kick in a little extra on top of the PS+ charge. I'd love to only have to pay for one or the other. The problem is getting online with my PS3 friends is still rough and MUCH more cumbersome than on XBL.

Dang I have 0 problems connecting and playing with friends over the PSN and that's for BF, NFS and many other multiplayer games. The only thing poking my mind is that I really wanted a Nexus 7, but I went with the White Vita Bundle and while I am loving it, I feel I could have gotten out much more from the Nexus... freaking hate over thinking stuff

This weekend is going to be the start of my weekly streaming segment for SmashPad after the successful stream on Thanksgiving morning, which will mainly cover Ratchet & Clank: Full Frontal Assault and maybe something else if there's time for it. The stream will be at http://www.twitch.tv/SmashPad and will start at 2 PM EST. I may do a quick stream tomorrow to see how switching between platforms will work while streaming if I'd like to play multiple games on different systems.

Originally Posted by Woocls I don't know how long they plan to run this bundle (the PS+ and Vita) but the box art has the games already available as part of the instant collection listed. So, I'd assume these games are going to be around for quite awhile.

Sony already confirmed these titles were going to be around for a while. Since EU is getting new Vita games for the lesser ones, we will probably see them swapped out from time to time and the big ones to stick around forever (like the PS3 version).

I can see them removing this games for future updates.

1.Final Fantasy Tactics
2.Jet Set Radio
3.Tales From Space: Mutant Blobs Attack

When the IGC first started, I think they mentioned that everything would be rotated out within one year, so I'd expect a similar schedule for the Vita.

Not that it matters what gets rotated out, to most of us what gets rotated in is way more important.

Originally Posted by Slowdance The armchair analysts in here should put down the pipe and monacle for a moment. Vita memory cards are not just their margin of profit for a console sold at a loss, they are to protect the system from piracy. The vast majority of PSP owners in Europe and a pretty sizable chunk in NA did not pay for a single game on PSP. I know its fun to cry about stuff like this but at least put 10 seconds of thought into it.

This ^^

Originally Posted by Slowdance The armchair analysts in here should put down the pipe and monacle for a moment. Vita memory cards are not just their margin of profit for a console sold at a loss, they are to protect the system from piracy. The vast majority of PSP owners in Europe and a pretty sizable chunk in NA did not pay for a single game on PSP. I know its fun to cry about stuff like this but at least put 10 seconds of thought into it.

Not ever owning a PSP, I didn't know piracy was so rampant on the console.

Also, seems like there could have been a way for you to share your thoughts without the smugness.

Originally Posted by Slowdance The armchair analysts in here should put down the pipe and monacle for a moment. Vita memory cards are not just their margin of profit for a console sold at a loss, they are to protect the system from piracy. The vast majority of PSP owners in Europe and a pretty sizable chunk in NA did not pay for a single game on PSP. I know its fun to cry about stuff like this but at least put 10 seconds of thought into it.

LOL yes because the only reason there was piracy on the PSP was the memory cards. Why don't YOU think for a minute how ridiculous that sounds. It's never that simple when the issue is complex. It was a poor decision and it's costing this system in sales because the cost of the system is already high and I need to invest even more in memory when I own sticks for the PSP or other formats already.

The fact that Sony can't hire some of the actual hackers to show them the holes in their code is their own fault and should not be passed along as higher prices to the consumer if they are serious about the system getting off the ground running.

the memory card prices have nothing to do with the system sales. i'm sure if they did a $20 32gb sale people would buy them, and just hold them til a price drop happened on the system. much like people are doing with the games now. it's a stupid argument in the first place. people wouldn't be content even if it took sd memory, cause then they would think it should have Xgb internal storage. unless sony cut prices by 95% people are still going to find a price to complain about.

the system isn't selling cause there are not enough must have games, and there are not enough must have games cause developers aren't on board with the system. pure speculation, developers aren't on board with the system cause of the piracy issue with the psp.

I think 30 posts about this stuff is enough to suggest that if you wish to discuss it further, go make a new thread in the Vita forum or use one of the applicable threads that already exist there so this thread can get back on topic.