Originally Posted by Nerdstick Being on two best-seller lists is my basis. Yours is only speculation. And as I said I'm not a NeoGeo fanboy. The standalone unit is going on sale months later, so it'll be available. Perhaps for less eventually, I never said it wouldn't be. Although to be technical only the first batch with Ninja Master's is going to be limited edition, and will be unobtainable at some point after the first batch sells out. Whether or not it's worth the rush comes down to that distinction. Corrected the Best Buy part. What the PR Rep says has more weight than what you can speculate. I did say 'supposedly', so I didn't state it as fact.

That's not a factual basis as you have no knowledge of what it takes to be on the list and they aren't independently verified lists like the New York Times bestseller list or even NPD. The retailer lists are designed to drive hype and increase preorders by making you think something is popular and will be hard to get. It's a marketing tool. As such, your view is just as speculative as mine.

Similarly, a rep saying something is not the same as it being a fact or the truth. Video game companies far larger and more established than Tommo or Blaze make claims all the time about future releases and inevitably, many of them never come to be. Buying this unit on the basis of future releases is a leap of faith and there is a good chance there never will be any future releases, at least not licensed from SNK.

As I've said all along, I have no problem with people buying or not buying this thing. What I do have a problem with is people repeatedly making misrepresentations and creating wishful claims about what it is or will be.

Word of advice if ordering from Target online.

Order only if you are absolutely sure you want it! I found out the hard way today that Target online has a BS Cancel policy that states you are only allowed to cancel 30 minutes after placing an order online. I spoke to Supervisors, etc... and none would budge.

Was told I would have to refuse shipment or return the product to store for a refund. Problem is - they are charging my card and then need to refund the money... terrible way to do business and I am really surprised a big store like Target holds their customers hostage like this.

FYI, Toys R Us now has the Neo Geo X joystick (but only the joystick, strangely) up for preorder. I mention this because they also have a B1G1 50% off deal on accessories, and it applies to this stick. So if you add two to your cart, the total is $75 plus tax (shipping is free). I'm debating cancelling my extra stick from Amazon and ordering two of these from TRU, for less than $80 shipped. Here's the link:

http://www.toysrus.com/product/index...FindSrc=search

Also Walmart briefly had the stick (and only the stick) up for preorder, but it almost immediately went "unavailable". Links in the OP have been updated with all the places I could find for the system and sticks.

I am looking forward to getting the system. Like previous posters have said, it is completely worth it just for the included games. I previously owned the home system, and games were $200 a pop. Games like Sam Sho 2 are great. I'd buy it if only SamSho 2 was on it. I think it depends on if you were a gamer back then and can remember pumping quarters into the Neo Geo cabinets. What I am interested in is the one game on an SD card, Ninja Masters. It may be possible to look at what format the game is in, and then produce your own game roms, which you can play on the system. Imagine taking all of the existing roms floating around, copying them to an SD card, and then playing them on the console... If that is possible, the value of the system will skyrocket. Hmm.

Grain of salt (via GameFAQ user): "so I talked to a GameStop support guy about the NeoGeoX. I noticed that it is now listed as "Not Available", so I expressed my concern about my Preorder. He said that at this moment, it is definitely planned to ship at the listed date (around December 18th). According to him, it's now listed as "Not Available" because their initial allocated supply has been exhausted."

Sold out indeed. Unless the GameStop employee was lying along with all the fake best-seller lists.

Personally I wouldn't buy the X just for the sake of hacking it. I doubt it would be so easy if they planned on releasing individual cards. But who knows.

Sold out from Amazon?? Anyone know how long it was up on there for?

Originally Posted by cag1000 Sold out from Amazon?? Anyone know how long it was up on there for?

It seems to come in and out of stock on Amazon. Not sure if it's due to them acquiring more from the manufacturer, or just from people cancelling their current preorders.

Originally Posted by Nerdstick Grain of salt (via GameFAQ user): "so I talked to a GameStop support guy about the NeoGeoX. I noticed that it is now listed as "Not Available", so I expressed my concern about my Preorder. He said that at this moment, it is definitely planned to ship at the listed date (around December 18th). According to him, it's now listed as "Not Available" because their initial allocated supply has been exhausted." Sold out indeed. Unless the GameStop employee was lying along with all the fake best-seller lists. Personally I wouldn't buy the X just for the sake of hacking it. I doubt it would be so easy if they planned on releasing individual cards. But who knows.

Ok, so let's say that's accurate. How many did Gamestop order as their "initial allocated supply"? I know in talking to my local indy game shop owner that he didn't order any because even if you ordered a large quantity, the margin was only about 10% which is terrible. I would imagine that Gamestop and other retailers committed to a fairly small quantity such that they would not have any stock at all sitting in warehouses and certainly not at their stores. Indeed, Gamestop isn't stocking it in stores at all unless you preorder for store delivery. So, yes, it's possible that Gamestop and Amazon have sold out of the allocation they committed to, but without knowing how large that allocation is, it's a worthless fact.

Enough to get it on the top-selling lists, and at minimum enough to justify stocking it in the first place. Enough sold to cause a delay for production to catch up. Who knows! It's legitimately sold out no matter what kind of negative spin you'd like to put on it.

Originally Posted by Nerdstick Enough to get it on the top-selling lists, and at minimum enough to justify stocking it in the first place. Enough sold to cause a delay for production to catch up. Who knows! It's legitimately sold out no matter what kind of negative spin you'd like to put on it.

The Neo Geo X Gold system is still available from Best Buy, but that's about it for North America (other than maybe some small gameshops):

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Tommo+-+...ogeo&cp=1&lp=1

The arcade sticks by themselves are still available at TRU, and you can use the B1G1 50% off deal for accessories (I preordered two for $78 shipped, $75 plus tax):

http://www.toysrus.com/product/index...FindSrc=search

Other than those places, it does seem to be mostly sold out.

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And Target. But it looks pretty hopeless for Walmart at this point.

so I pulled the trigger and cancelled my preorder at Gamestop. right now I just can't afford it.

I don't believe it will be a hot seller for the holiday season. Kids these days want a iPad or a Nintendo Wii U.

so if I see it at Best Buy in a few weeks, I might buy it.

Originally Posted by vlv723 so I pulled the trigger and cancelled my preorder at Gamestop. right now I just can't afford it. I don't believe it will be a hot seller for the holiday season. Kids these days want a iPad or a Nintendo Wii U. so if I see it at Best Buy in a few weeks, I might buy it.

It's definitely meant for a niche market. Probably won't last very long, but at least we'll get some nice USB Neo Geo AES sticks out of it.

Originally Posted by Nerdstick And Target. But it looks pretty hopeless for Walmart at this point.

Thanks, I forgot Target! Took forever for them to put it up. And you're right, I think Walmart just gave up and decided not to carry it at all.

Strange how TRU only carries the joystick and no console. Don't understand that philosophy at all.

Originally Posted by Nerdstick Enough to get it on the top-selling lists, and at minimum enough to justify stocking it in the first place. Enough sold to cause a delay for production to catch up. Who knows! It's legitimately sold out no matter what kind of negative spin you'd like to put on it.

It's no longer available for preorder on Amazon or Gamestop. That part is true. Everything else is pure speculation on your part.

Originally Posted by bojay1997 It's no longer available for preorder on Amazon or Gamestop. That part is true. Everything else is pure speculation on your part.

On account of being sold out, as that quote further proves. That you think best seller lists are faked is -your- conspiracy-theorist speculation but proof to anyone else. Trying to argue this with you is like arguing religion, I'm not bothering. That you bother to continually come just to blind hate on the X is beyond me. No wonder you were told to 'f*** off' on the NG forum.

Originally Posted by Nerdstick On account of being sold out, as that quote further proves. That you think best seller lists are faked is -your- conspiracy-theorist speculation but proof to anyone else. Trying to argue this with you is like arguing religion, I'm not bothering. That you bother to continually come just to blind hate on the X is beyond me. No wonder you were told to 'f*** off' on the NG forum.

It's not blind hate and like I said elsewhere, I am a big Neo Geo fan. What I am not is some kind of blind fanboy who is willing to accept whatever garbage some third party company throws at me with the Neo Geo name on it.

As for your other points, it's not "sold out" as it can still be purchased from Best Buy and Target. Amazon and Gamestop.com are no longer taking preorders. Could they have reached the number of units they anticipated in their allocation? Of course. Do we know how many each store decided to lock in with Tommo? Nope.

As for the best seller lists, it's not a conspiracy, they are marketing tools designed to push preorders. Sometimes a post on CAG is enough to push a product to #1 on Amazon. Best Buy is not exactly a hot bed of preordering on-line, other than for games that come with various bonuses. The fact that the X reached #8 on their preorder list at one point is interesting, but not evidence that this will be rare or hard to find for MSRP or below in a few months.

You have never held this thing in your hands, so I have to question why you are such an advocate for it. It could be total garbage or it could be great. You don't know and nobody really knows at this point, so please refrain from all the hype.

I think it's fascinating that you're now posting on the Neo-Geo.com forums and claim not to be a fanboy. You're right, you're not a Neo Geo fanboy, you're a Tommo/Blaze Neo Geo X fanboy which in my view is far worse as you have no idea if what you are schilling for is even any good.

Grabbed the BB pre-order will cancel if Amazon pops back up. I'm excited for it. If this came out 8 years ago people would have been going crazy for it.

Should I lock in my preorder at Best Buy for this now, today, the 4th or do I have more time since it's been pushed back until mid/late December?

I have about 65 dollars worth of reward zone coupons that I'll put toward the set.

Originally Posted by TheOpusFuller Should I lock in my preorder at Best Buy for this now, today, the 4th or do I have more time since it's been pushed back until mid/late December? I have about 65 dollars worth of reward zone coupons that I'll put toward the set.

That really depends. If you're 100% committed to getting one, and you have BB credit to use (a big plus), then you might as well just go ahead and order it. I don't think BB will charge your CC before the ship date, although they might place a hold on the funds (for the balance).

The Neo Geo Gold X bundle is still available from Target and BB, and the standalone joystick is still available at Target and TRU (and you can take advantage of the B1G1 50% off at TRU).

As I said, if you've decided to go ahead and already have the credit, you might want to just pull the trigger. I ordered two sticks from TRU with the B1G1-50% deal, and the system from Amazon.