Originally Posted by Blaster man The problems with JRPG's: 1. The story's of many of these games are almost identical and completely cliche. 2. Voice acting is almost never done right and is almost always horrible (in English) and they almost always have some stupid 7 year old girl that talks like she's 3. Maybe this is popular in Japan but most American's find it annoying. I'm sorry, I don't want to take a small girl with me into a dungeon full of zombies and guys summoning 12 headed hydras that cause asteroids to fall onto the battlefield. 3. The final bosses are ing retarded. I don't need to fight the same dude a million times in different forms until he finally says something stupid like, "NOW YOU SEE MY TRUE NATURE!", oh really, you've been some kind of giant building monster this whole time and no one knew? Why exactly didn't you just stomp all over the planet years ago? No one could have stopped you. Also, why not just jump straight to that final fight? 4. Many have random battles which is fine but after decades of these games I have a low tolerance for dungeons that have super high numbers of random encounters where you have one every third step almost (I'm looking at you Lost Odyssey).

Which is why Lufia 1+2 are two of the best RPGs ever made. Story is good, voice acting is non-existent, 3) is handled well, and Lufia 2 doesn't have random battles in dungeons.

Originally Posted by Blaster man Mostly it was a joke because of the behavior of the characters often times seems like they are gay but haven't admitted it to themselves. I realize that they aren't supposed to be gay unlike the dude in Enchanted Arms. Sorry if I offended you by making a joke about JRPG characters not being able to accept their own sexuality...

I'm bringing this up because you seem to have a backwards perspective on sexuality. I can't name a homosexual relationship in a JRPG off the top of my head, perhaps there are some in the Persona franchise, or if you really want to reach, Fang and Vanille from Final Fantasy XIII could be seen as a subtle one (more of a personal wish ). But you say most JRPGs have them based on vague behavioral characteristics, which sounds impossible unless you are relying on pretty insensitive stereotypes.

People joke about JRPG characters being "gay" all the time based on nothing at all, it's dumb.

Originally Posted by Blaster man What gets me is out of that huge block of text I wrote about JRPG's and WRPG's, people chose to take that out and argue with me about it.

I responded to that part because it was the only thing you wrote that anyone could really call you out on. Otherwise you've got a mess of opinions that aren't worth sorting through, trying to compare Tales of Vesperia to Skyrim based on specific and unrelated elements, like that's even possible. ToV has a better story than Skyrim? What the hell does that even mean? How do I respond to that?

Should I just disagree with your list and make my own? Shit's boring, and this thread is boring.

Originally Posted by panzerfaust I'm bringing this up because you seem to have a backwards perspective on sexuality. I can't name a homosexual relationship in a JRPG off the top of my head, perhaps there are some in the Persona franchise, or if you really want to reach, Fang and Vanille from Final Fantasy XIII could be seen as a subtle one (more of a personal wish ). But you say most JRPGs have them based on vague behavioral characteristics, which sounds impossible unless you are relying on pretty insensitive stereotypes. People joke about JRPG characters being "gay" all the time based on nothing at all, it's dumb. I responded to that part because it was the only thing you wrote that anyone could really call you out on. Otherwise you've got a mess of opinions that aren't worth sorting through, trying to compare Tales of Vesperia to Skyrim based on specific and unrelated elements, like that's even possible. ToV has a better story than Skyrim? What the hell does that even mean? How do I respond to that? Should I just disagree with your list and make my own? Shit's boring, and this thread is boring.

Who cares if I say that some people in your favorite JRPG's are gay? Even if I really believe they're meant to be gay, why does it bother you so much? It's a video game character and honestly, you have no idea what went on inside the minds of the writers anymore than I do. If it bothers you so much that they're gay then keep living in denial.

As far as your comment that there is no way to compare ToV to Skyrim, considering that's kind of what the thread is about....sure, okay?

Originally Posted by panzerfaust I'm bringing this up because you seem to have a backwards perspective on sexuality. I can't name a homosexual relationship in a JRPG off the top of my head, perhaps there are some in the Persona franchise, or if you really want to reach, Fang and Vanille from Final Fantasy XIII could be seen as a subtle one (more of a personal wish ). But you say most JRPGs have them based on vague behavioral characteristics, which sounds impossible unless you are relying on pretty insensitive stereotypes. People joke about JRPG characters being "gay" all the time based on nothing at all, it's dumb. I responded to that part because it was the only thing you wrote that anyone could really call you out on. Otherwise you've got a mess of opinions that aren't worth sorting through, trying to compare Tales of Vesperia to Skyrim based on specific and unrelated elements, like that's even possible. ToV has a better story than Skyrim? What the hell does that even mean? How do I respond to that? Should I just disagree with your list and make my own? Shit's boring, and this thread is boring.

The only gay character in video games that comes to mind is from a WRPG which is mass effect. I remember all the controversy from it. It was almost as big as the GTA controversy. I forget if it was gay or like a shemale or whatever.

Not that a characters sexuality matters in a game. As long he isn't flamboyant. Then I just won't buy it.

A character's sexuality matters in a game when that is what the game is about (see: Bayonetta, Catherine) or if it pertinent to their character arc (see: Planescape Torment, that one guy in that one Persona game). Besides that,

I forget if it was gay or like a shemale or whatever.

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I' a waffle man myself.

Oh thread, I've missed you.

I turn to games for its larger than life qualities. I think JRPG does that better than WRPG.
However, technically speaking, I think JRPG is also very heavily inspired by Tolkien so it all comes full circle more or less

Both jRPGs and wRPGs are needed to complete the circle of life.

I also like Waffles.

Both suck for their own reasons.

JRPGs suck because the story/characters usually are awful, grinding isn't meaningful and boring, you can't customize your dude much or barely (sticking materias in your sword isn't that interesting), and nothing you do feels like it matters. You're playing the game for the experience rather than the journey.

WRPGs suck because they'd prefer to be clunky and obtuse than polished and concise. They are polar opposites to JRPGs by having interesting characters, not a lot of grinding, tons of customization (paperdolls own), stats and stuff like that. You play the game for the journey and progression rather than to experience the story. See: roguelikes from which these evolved from.

WRPGs definitely, love the open world and almost endless possibilities and stories/characters.

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I do generally really enjoy both but I usually find myself leaning towards Jrpgs a bit more. There is something to be said for structure vs. open world-I often get bored with games like Fallout & Oblivion/Skyrim long before I theoretically should because for the most part they lack a tight narrative that really drives the story along, which is something Jrpgs generally have no problem with. Also, while I do love me some Mass Effect & Dragon Age, those games seem to be almost ashamed to be rpgs., getting more and more away from those aspects with each follow-up. I mean Dragon Age 3 supposedly has multi-player? I'm not even sure I want to know how they will shoehorn that bs in. Bottom line is I really do enjoy both and will continue to enjoy them.